Is this main forum's quality getting diluted by all the sub forums?

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I wrote this with a genuine curiosity, and my opinion with a genuine intention of improvement for all.

I have felt the questions and threads on the main forum lately have started feeling more and more weak (in general many are still fantastic).

I remember even a year and a half ago it seemed that there was more substance to the threads.

I was wondering if it could not be because of all the sub forums that get created whenever a make money topic gets popular. E.g. Adsense, offline, CPA etc.

What more is there to talk about on the main forum that adds value and is not better suited for one of the other forums. Also maybe there is becoming less need for a main forum and everything needs to be categorized. I do not know the answer, but I wanted some insights.

Also I realize this is all based on my perception and maybe that is all it is; perception ....tell me I can take it.

Just some thoughts, and maybe some suggestions to increase the quality of the main forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    yes, but it is probably due to the arrangement of forums and a couple of forums that are redundant and/or unnecessary.

    The forum also seems to be under the constant assault of spammers pretending to be newbies flooding the main forum with a lot of junk posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      I know what you mean. Somehow it's easier to scroll through questions if they are all in the same forum, rather than having to read the list of forums and then go to each one individually.

      I guess the problem is that if they were all in the same forum, there would just be too many to scroll through, plus questions would fall of the first page so quickly that many wouldn't get answered.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
        Rose , I agree whole heartedly this could never just be one forum, and yes the perfect solution will be a very fine balancing act.

        Paul Myers once in another thread answered me on this same topic (but he was the only one ,and I never felt I had closure hence me asking everyone) That this forum was like a 'see saw' (I think you Americans call it a teeter totter) and as long is it does not tilt too far either way thats the best we can ask for.

        I thought this was a fantastic response, so i guess this thread is then asking how far are we tilting if we are even tilting at all?

        Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

        I know what you mean. Somehow it's easier to scroll through questions if they are all in the same forum, rather than having to read the list of forums and then go to each one individually.

        I guess the problem is that if they were all in the same forum, there would just be too many to scroll through, plus questions would fall of the first page so quickly that many wouldn't get answered.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
      If I am honest with you I do not really know exactly what can and can't go in the main forum.

      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      yes, but it is probably due to the arrangement of forums and a couple of forums that are redundant and/or unnecessary. .

      What is a solution for this? My suggestion which maybe way off, is warriors with a certain post and thank count... say over a 1000 posts and over 500 thanks can delete any post deemed junk of a warrior who has less than say 100 posts.

      There are senior warriors who I believe could play a more active member moderation role that can be contolled by certain limitations, and it would be good for the forum I think.


      The forum also seems to be under the constant assault of spammers pretending to be newbies flooding the main forum with a lot of junk posts.
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      • Profile picture of the author halmo
        Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver View Post

        What is a solution for this? My suggestion which maybe way off, is warriors with a certain post and thank count... say over a 1000 posts and over 500 thanks can delete any post deemed junk of a warrior who has less than say 100 posts.

        There are senior warriors who I believe could play a more active member moderation role that can be contolled by certain limitations, and it would be good for the forum I think.
        I think this would result in unintended consequences, which I don't think was your intention. By using this suggestion, the forum would really serve only (or mostly) the senior members (the very members with the 500+ or 1000+ posts who could delete posts) because the posts would tend to be more advanced in their topics. However, even those members were new to this forum at one point.

        It's important to remember that being new to the forum doesn't necessarily mean that a person is new to business, or to Internet Marketing, at all. The person may be new to SEO, or article marketing, or any specific area, but not necessarily to all areas.

        I do agree that there are many posts that are unnecessary, and even annoying. e.g. if someone wants to know about Clickbank's, or AWeber's or whichever else company's rules, why don't they just read that company's terms of service? If there is no answer, then contact the company. If someone wants opinion (which is different than terms of service) about a company, then the forum is a good place to ask. I agree with jasonmorgan's comments.

        Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

        It really has to do with the questions that are asked and how they are asked.

        Somebody just recently posted another 'when is google PR going to update'.

        This info is easy to find through a google search or simply using this forums search features. It's a question that is probably asked several times a week. Considering the person just joined and already has several links in their signature, I'd bet dollars to donuts that it's a spammer just getting a few backlinks from the good 'ol warrior forum.
        I also think that there is a need for the sub-forums because Internet Marketing, and people, and even the world is constantly changing. So, naturally, there will be a need for new sub-forums over time, and other sub-forums will become obsolete. This is the beauty of the forum, and of keeping the information here fresh and relevant.

        At the same time, it is good to challenge the structure of the forum (or anything else about it) sometimes (like in this thread) because it ensures that the forum doesn't become stale, and will not serve only a specific group of the members. After all, if there would be a perfect way to run this forum, it would lose its very essence.

        About the spammers: I am annoyed by them too, but don't have any suggestions as to how to deal with them. Maybe I will come up with something.

        My two cents (or maybe five, since my post turned out to be quite long)
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I personally wouldn't want to have to wade through all the copywriting, all the SEO/Adsense/PPC, all the Mind Warrior stuff, etc to read the main forum.

    It's easy enough just to participate where you want to participate in the main forum or choose a forum related to your topic.

    As for it diluting or making the main forum weak ... there's always been a large amount of newbies posting questions and the main forum is the best place for that, unless the questions are on the other topics. That doesn't make the main forum weak. It's not always the questions that are gold, but the answers.
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      It's an interesting question.

      It's my opinion that most forum software could be designed better.

      What would likely be more effective is:

      # Having ALL threads appear in the main forum.

      # When you start a thread you're required to choose a category (sub forum) that the thread goes into.

      # All threads appear in two forums...the main forum AND a sub forum.


      The effect of this would be that "hot" threads would stick around in the main forum generating interest.

      This would increase the participation of forum members in a wide variety of topics increasing their general and specific knowledge.


      Threads with few posts would quickly drop off the main forum but would spend a whole lot more time in the sub forum they were assigned to.

      You could also have more sub forums making it easier for people who wanted to to find all the threads on a specific topic.

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      • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
        Andrew that was genious.... whether it is possible is a big question, and the fact that it will surely have other negative aspects that you have not thought of, but I really like the concept.

        Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

        It's an interesting question.

        It's my opinion that most forum software could be designed better.

        What would likely be more effective is:

        # Having ALL threads appear in the main forum.

        # When you start a thread you're required to choose a category (sub forum) that the thread goes into.
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      • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
        Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

        It's my opinion that most forum software could be designed better.

        What would likely be more effective is:

        # Having ALL threads appear in the main forum.
        It already works like that now, just select new posts when you come to the forum and your done, all posts / all sub forums like tin soldiers all in a row.
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    • Profile picture of the author kerry3280
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I personally wouldn't want to have to wade through all the copywriting, all the SEO/Adsense/PPC, all the Mind Warrior stuff, etc to read the main forum.

      It's easy enough just to participate where you want to participate in the main forum or choose a forum related to your topic.

      As for it diluting or making the main forum weak ... there's always been a large amount of newbies posting questions and the main forum is the best place for that, unless the questions are on the other topics. That doesn't make the main forum weak. It's not always the questions that are gold, but the answers.


      Thank you. I am a newbie and am finding this forum incredibly helpful and illuminating. I am sure we don't mean to ask questions that have been asked and answered before but we are called newbies for a reason! The warriors who have over 1000 post count etc. all started with a post count of 0 at some point I presume.

      The dictionary definition of a forum is 'A public meeting place for open discussion' and I think it would be highly unfair that just because someone has a high number of posts they should be able to delete posts by newbies because they find them annoying!

      We are here to learn after all ..
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by kerry3280 View Post

        The dictionary definition of a forum is 'A public meeting place for open discussion' and I think it would be highly unfair that just because someone has a high number of posts they should be able to delete posts by newbies because they find them annoying!

        We are here to learn after all ..
        And some of us are here to help "teach" and offer advice. The only threads that get deleted are those that need to be deleted. Most of the members who participate in member moderation know very well the difference between spam, self-promotion, copy/pasting articles from elsewhere, pre-selling, etc.

        We only report the offending messages. Not delete them. That's what the mods are for.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    If I were starting the WF from scratch I'd probably go with something along the lines of..
    • war room
    • WSO's
    • general marketing discussion
    • beginners
    • seo
    • adsense and PPC
    • ad networks
    • copywriting
    • programming and web development
    • all of the classified forums
    • that misc stuff I've never stepped foot in

    giving some of the senior kids the ability to move threads to the appropriate forums isn't a bad idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Thank you. I am a newbie and am finding this forum incredibly helpful and illuminating. I am sure we don't mean to ask questions that have been asked and answered before but we are called newbies for a reason! The warriors who have over 1000 post count etc. all started with a post count of 0 at some point I presume.
    It really has to do with the questions that are asked and how they are asked.

    Somebody just recently posted another 'when is google PR going to update'.

    This info is easy to find through a google search or simply using this forums search features. It's a question that is probably asked several times a week. Considering the person just joined and already has several links in their signature, I'd bet dollars to donuts that it's a spammer just getting a few backlinks from the good 'ol warrior forum.

    But whatcha gonna do.. I was banned for several months... reason: posting too much. OH well. I have no friends, you'll all I've got WF. I need a hug

    Now, how do I force an image to load first. I'll google it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    I prefer sub forums. Threads in the sub forums seem to get less trolls.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    I like sub forums to.... At what point though is there a sub forum for everything, and therefore no point in having main forum. On the other hand it will be come ever increasingly more difficult to to know what must go in the main forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver View Post

      I like sub forums to.... At what point though is there a sub forum for everything, and therefore no point in having main forum. On the other hand it will be come ever increasingly more difficult to to know what must go in the main forum.
      Anything that doesn't have a subforum goes into the main forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author pickthat apple
      Hi Cathy,
      The subjets of the sub forums are quite varied and well targeted, so I guess they cover pretty much what there is to cover in terms of marketing.
      I tend to visit more the subforums than the Main Internet Discussion Forum, so I cannot comment too much on it.
      I do notice though, here and there, many posts that one could define not even remotely relevant to the purpose of the forum.
      It is only in power of the management to do something about it, if they so wish.
      I realize that 8000 member+ are not a joke to keep an eye on.
      Not even hundreds of websites are easy to take care of, but apparently, somebody can do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    For those who'd like to see everything in one forum, you can kind of do that on a day to day basis. Just click on "Quick Links" --> "Today's Posts."

    That will bring you to this page:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/search.php?searchid=6275620

    (Not sure if the above link will work for everyone... so use the Quick Links menu bar to get to the same place.)

    There you'll see a big list of everything that was posted today, across all sub-forums. So you don't have to go from forum to forum looking for interesting topics, you can just browse "Today's Posts."

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If I am honest with you I do not really know exactly what can and can't go in the main forum.
      I'm sorry - but I don't see where that should be a problem. The sub-forums are clearly identified for content and anything else goes in the main section.

      The sub-forums exist due to growth of the forum. There are many more members than even a year ago - and more of them are brand new today than ever before.

      I don't think a solution is needed because I don't believe there's a problem. If I want to see all threads with posts since I was last here - I click on "new posts" in the red bar. Or I can browse by forum or I can use search.

      Type of posts have changed as the demographic of the members have changed in the past couple of years - but change happens. One benefit is the ability to avoid seeing multiple threads about topics you aren't interested or areas you don't work in.

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    • Profile picture of the author sanssecret
      Duh! Sometimes I need a quick kick up the proverbial. So simple and just never thought of it.

      Cheers.

      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      For those who'd like to see everything in one forum, you can kind of do that on a day to day basis. Just click on "Quick Links" --> "Today's Posts."

      That will bring you to this page:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/search.php?searchid=6275620

      (Not sure if the above link will work for everyone... so use the Quick Links menu bar to get to the same place.)

      There you'll see a big list of everything that was posted today, across all sub-forums. So you don't have to go from forum to forum looking for interesting topics, you can just browse "Today's Posts."

      Cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

        Duh! Sometimes I need a quick kick up the proverbial. So simple and just never thought of it.

        Cheers.

        Yep -- and as Kay and others have pointed out, you can also use the "New Posts" link up on the main navigation menu. Both work to show you all the newer posts across all forums.

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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver View Post

    Is this main forum's quality getting diluted by all the sub forums?
    Not at all, but I think the quality could be improved
    if there was a sub forum for the "never ending" threads.
    A few new threads on the front page would be a vast improvement.
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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      Not at all, but I think the quality could be improved
      if there was a sub forum for the "never ending" threads.
      Great, now I have a song in my head...

      This is a thread that will not end
      Yes it goes on and on my friend.
      Some people started posting to it not knowing what it was
      And they'll continue posting forever just because
      This is the thread that will not end...


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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        It would be nice if we had a subforum labeled "Universal Help Desk" where folks could post all the questions that needed to be answered by specific companies or product owners. There are far too many people who would rather ask a support question here than go to the proper source.

        They could go to that part of the forum, type in their question, and when they hit the "Submit Reply" button they are automatically redirected to a Google search where the search box is populated with their question.

        Apparently, a lot of people coming here have never heard of Google or even know what it can do...:rolleyes:

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        • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          There are far too many people who would rather ask a support question here than go to the proper source.
          If I have a problem with the "main" forum... it is exactly this. Many times the main page looks like a technical support forum for zillion different tools and scripts.

          And when you point the OP to the proper support forum with a link - you can even get nasty replies :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Supernatural_fan
    the only thing that undermines the quality and the natural progress of the forum are those posts asking the same question over and over again. That's why I haven't had the need to post questions so far, it's all because all my questions are getting useful answers by browsing through the forum. Some people do not bother searching for valid solutions for their problems, and prefer asking the same questions in hope that someone will be nice enough to answer them. I don't want to offend anyone by saying this, yet I'm sure you agree there are people asking something that has been already asked before.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    Well I am glad there have been some great thoughts on how to get more value off the main forum. I guess it is not by having less sub forums

    I just have struggled the last two months to find as much consistent value from the main forum as I used to. That may just be part of my learning curve.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I just have struggled the last two months to find as much consistent value from the main forum as I used to.
      Kathy - you aren't alone in that at all. That's why I think the sub-forums are even more valuable. The main section not so much these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheDebtEliminator
    Greetings Cathy,

    I do agree with you that the main forum seems a little diluted as it expands into additional sections.

    As the membership increases and the amount of posts are going up, the extra sections allow classification for the more popular subtopics.

    There is a balancing act here, that needs to be observed and worked with.

    Personally, I am not a person that does a whole bunch of changing as I believe it fits not broke don't fix it.

    Have not changed the furniture layout in my home in over 15 years ... lol


    Realizing that change has come, accepting it and embracing it are things that I can do well.

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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    About the spammers: I am annoyed by them too, but don't have any suggestions as to how to deal with them. Maybe I will come up with something.
    We don't need to invent the wheel here... Just click the little triangle and report the spam post.

    The more people do it, the faster it goes away. (And no, we should NOT comment/post on such threads - just report it and let the system work.)

    When we are browsing anyway the forums it takes just a few seconds to report the scambags - it gives you good feelings when you see the spammer nuked
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  • What I'd like to see is some way to filter out questions like "How do I make $500/day within 1 month?". There's no possible decent IM conversation out of such a thread and the OP certainly doesn't even mean serious business so what's the point?
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