I wish I had a WSO that actually worked

by AFI
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I've bought a couple WSOs and followed them to a tee and now I've got these sites, they've got good SERPs and no ones buying.

I'm a very hard worker, I can't afford to outsource much so I don't, I do everything myself and I've got all of these sites that are just doing nothing. I wish someone could recommend me a WSO that actually works. (here comes the PM spam....but go for it)
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    There's a whole lot of difference between working hard and working hard in the right direction.

    Are you sure you are doing the latter?

    Hey, are you sure you have put in enough hard work?

    How long have you been working hard? I mean, are you sure you are patient enough?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikedb
    " they've got good SERPs and no ones buying. "

    Seems to me that you have a conversion problem.
    Focus on that.
    traffic is great, but when no one buys...............

    master conversion, test, tweak, try list building, direct sales with affiliate links.
    Try placement of your video, images etc.
    When you see what works, repeat it for all your other sites.

    All the best!

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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by AFI View Post

    I've bought a couple WSOs and followed them to a tee and now I've got these sites, they've got good SERPs and no ones buying.
    There are a lot of things that could be in the way of this. The basic strategy is very simple.

    1. Find something people want to buy and join the affiliate program for it.
    2. Find the people who want to buy it and offer them your affiliate link.

    Somewhere along the line, people got the idea that if you just get high SERPs, #2 will happen all by itself. You can use the SERPs to find those people, but people searching the internet and people trying to buy something are two different things. The concept of "buying keywords" comes into play, as does the idea of "preselling."

    I'm no practical expert on those things, so I'll let someone else handle the details. I've done a lot of research on them, but since I don't do the affiliate thing very much, I don't have the real-world experience that could really cut to the heart of your problem and be likely to solve it.
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      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      but people searching the internet and people trying to buy something are two different things. The concept of "buying keywords" comes into play, as does the idea of "preselling." .
      CD also makes a good point, having traffic that pays is a good thing, take a look at the keys in google search and see if the ads are full / as a quick guide, you can then go into the keyword tool and get some deeper insight into those keys and the value they are currently holding.

      I know I have taken a site to the number 1 spot only to find the traffic was OK, but the key i had chosen was a dud and people we not paying out the $.
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    Originally Posted by LD Carter View Post

    I guess I'll reserve my seat and watch all the responses from the people that are gonna accuse her of not working hard...
    Actually I know for a fact that Jennifer works very hard so I certainly don't think this is the case. However if you have a bunch of sites with good serps, something isn't being done right. I don't have enough info here Jennifer but if you want to PM me the url's of any of them I'll gladly give you my honest opinion for what it's worth.

    I have one particular niche, good traffic, nasty problem, Mr Me has the solution. I get 20-30 sign ups a day. Guess what? They are the worst bunch of buyers. For years I tried everything on this niche until I figured out this bunch of people just want free info. They're simply not prepared to pay for the solution. I have another niche with 2-4 sign ups a day, crap sales page, wouldn't ever think you'd sell jack and at least 1 sale a day.

    Sometimes the answer is easy to spot, sometimes the answer isn't what you'd like it to be. Sometimes you just have to keep going forwards. Chin up Jenn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by LD Carter View Post

      Lol....
      I didn't accuse her of not working hard. I said that I'll wait for the replies from people that are gonna make that accusation. Usually when a thread like this is mad, first thing people tend to do is accuse the OP of being lazy or something. Which I think isn't right.
      Hey don't worry I wasn't having a crack, I was just getting the "No, she works hard" bit in before the mob did. We're on the same one here LD.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I don't doubt the work hard part or that WSO's were followed - but there is a "chunk" missing at the beginning in at least one of your niches.

        Being ranked at the top for a term few people search for - isn't what you want. Being well ranked for a niche where most searchers are not looking to buy is not a great niche.

        A few days ago you mentioned good traffic in a niche "christian baby names" - but weren't making money with the site. To me, that goes back to basic niche and keyword research skills because "christian baby names" does not have good searches (2 digits only) and I doubt it's a serious buyers market.

        You could replicate the best WSO ever offered but if you start out with the wrong niche, it won't work. You need a niche where there are buyers and you need traffic. If the term has very few searches, there isn't much traffic to be found.

        I hope this doesn't sound too much like "newbie advice" but I've seen this same problem posted by several members recently. The niche is the foundation you are building on - the keywords are the steps you build. Those have to be right or nothing works well.

        Before you go farther - take a fresh look at the niches you are targeting. Are there buyers in the niche? If so, profile your buyers to understand what might appeal to them - are there sufficient searches in that niche and for your keyword phrases?

        If you think the niches are good, focus on traffic. You can't evaluate how well the niche is doing without traffic to see if conversions are there or not.

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        • Profile picture of the author AFI
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I don't doubt the work hard part or that WSO's were followed - but there is a "chunk" missing at the beginning in at least one of your niches.

          Being ranked at the top for a term few people search for - isn't what you want. Being well ranked for a niche where most searchers are not looking to buy is not a great niche.

          A few days ago you mentioned good traffic in a niche "christian baby names" - but weren't making money with the site. To me, that goes back to basic niche and keyword research skills because "christian baby names" does not have good searches (2 digits only) and I doubt it's a serious buyers market.

          You could replicate the best WSO ever offered but if you start out with the wrong niche, it won't work. You need a niche where there are buyers and you need traffic. If the term has very few searches, there isn't much traffic to be found.

          I hope this doesn't sound too much like "newbie advice" but I've seen this same problem posted by several members recently. The niche is the foundation you are building on - the keywords are the steps you build. Those have to be right or nothing works well.

          Before you go farther - take a fresh look at the niches you are targeting. Are there buyers in the niche? If so, profile your buyers to understand what might appeal to them - are there sufficient searches in that niche and for your keyword phrases?

          If you think the niches are good, focus on traffic. You can't evaluate how well the niche is doing without traffic to see if conversions are there or not.

          kay
          Christian baby names gets over 33,000 month searches. So why is my site only seeing 50 hits a day when I hover around #1-#4?

          And I'm not really just talking about that site. I own over 30 domains right now and none of them are doing that well. I guess I'm going to move away from the baby names site and put some backlinking efforts into a different site.
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            Originally Posted by AFI View Post

            Christian baby names gets over 33,000 month searches. So why is my site only seeing 50 hits a day when I hover around #1-#4?
            It gets 33,000 using broad match, but what you should be looking at are exact match figures, which is actually only 9,900 - or 1,300 locally (which for me is the US). I know this thread isn't about that site, but I wanted to point out that maybe there isn't as much traffic for your keywords as you thought. :confused:
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              Originally Posted by cindybidar View Post

              It gets 33,000 using broad match, but what you should be looking at are exact match figures, which is actually only 9,900 - or 1,300 locally (which for me is the US). I know this thread isn't about that site, but I wanted to point out that maybe there isn't as much traffic for your keywords as you thought. :confused:
              Oh really?? I didn't know that. Great.

              I guess I need to learn more about keyword research.
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          "christian baby names" does not have good searches (2 digits only) and I doubt it's a serious buyers market.
          I'm pretty sure most of the people researching christian baby names are about to have a new baby, and I personally can think of many things such people might want to buy. One of the big ones I can think of is this thing:

          HOW TO PURCHASE THE BABY SAFE FEEDER

          If you're the sort of person with strong opinions about the heritage and symbolism of your baby's name, you're probably fussy about all kinds of other things - like being able to feed your child healthy organic produce instead of the pesticide-laden crap from your local chain grocery store.

          A basic "new mother's guide" loaded up with affiliate links and sitting on the other side of an opt-in wouldn't be a bad idea. You can then track the rough age of the baby and send offers that make sense at specific times.

          That's the way I'd approach that kind of niche, myself... and we're about to hit June wedding baby season, too. People who were married in June and got pregnant soon afterward are now closing up on the end of their second trimester.
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          • Profile picture of the author AFI
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            I'm pretty sure most of the people researching christian baby names are about to have a new baby, and I personally can think of many things such people might want to buy. One of the big ones I can think of is this thing:

            HOW TO PURCHASE THE BABY SAFE FEEDER

            If you're the sort of person with strong opinions about the heritage and symbolism of your baby's name, you're probably fussy about all kinds of other things - like being able to feed your child healthy organic produce instead of the pesticide-laden crap from your local chain grocery store.

            A basic "new mother's guide" loaded up with affiliate links and sitting on the other side of an opt-in wouldn't be a bad idea. You can then track the rough age of the baby and send offers that make sense at specific times.

            That's the way I'd approach that kind of niche, myself... and we're about to hit June wedding baby season, too. People who were married in June and got pregnant soon afterward are now closing up on the end of their second trimester.
            They're not in the buying mood trust me. I was offering them a FREE software download of even more baby names and they still wouldn't go for it. I've tried CPA on that site, I've tried selling an ebook. The only income I can get from that site is Adsense and it's peanuts. I think I'm gonna give up on that site for now and work on my other sites (which are product review sites)
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            • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
              Originally Posted by AFI View Post

              They're not in the buying mood trust me. I was offering them a FREE software download of even more baby names and they still wouldn't go for it. I've tried CPA on that site, I've tried selling an ebook. The only income I can get from that site is Adsense and it's peanuts. I think I'm gonna give up on that site for now and work on my other sites (which are product review sites)
              Have you tried Amazon and Ebay with this site too?
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              Originally Posted by AFI View Post

              They're not in the buying mood trust me.
              No, they're not in a buying mood. They're in the "I want to see baby names" mood. Anything else gets closed.

              I'll come right out and say it...you need to pick a hungry market. Pick something people are desperate for buying. Here's a great WF thread courtesy of Jared.

              I personally pick from the big 3. Healthy, Wealthy and Sexy.

              Healthy: Weight loss, acne, diseases, pain, etc.

              Wealthy: Make money online/offline, Forex, investing, etc.

              Sexy: We don't really talk about this stuff here. Just open your Spam folder for a "big" preview.

              The above advice + your skills to rank = much better chance of making money.

              One more piece of advice, if you promote products, pick recurring monthly products. You're working hard for that sale...why not make it a recurring monthly sale?
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              • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
                I think that Jennifer HAS implemented a lot of the suggestions made to her and worked really hard, but I think she may be right - the people are simply "information seekers" and not buyers.

                She may be better off selling the site, and moving onto other projects.
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by AFI View Post

              They're not in the buying mood trust me. I was offering them a FREE software download of even more baby names and they still wouldn't go for it. I've tried CPA on that site, I've tried selling an ebook. The only income I can get from that site is Adsense and it's peanuts. I think I'm gonna give up on that site for now and work on my other sites (which are product review sites)
              I think that says a lot, they won't buy something or take something for free (probably think they'll soon have to buy something) but do click on adsense. Seems to me they're just browsing and looking and not actually wanting to buy ideas for names.

              If you want a hand with keyword research I'll run your main keywords through Samurai and send you the results and help you out. I would focus on more specific sites now especially with Christmas round the corner. Jennifer, if it helps it took me a long while to make much money in this. Sometimes you work hard and don't see the rewards at first but you will get there. It's also worth noting, you may not see any rewards yet but they are there, they're just in the way you are getting smarter at what you do.

              I also like CD's idea... That is the way to approach a niche. Lots of people looking for names of babies means, lots of people are highly and emotionally focused on a new addition. What do these people want for or would do anything for, their new kid? CD's just given me a good idea there, re-read what he wrote, there's money in that post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
    You might have the search engine results page but are you getting people visiting the site?

    I had a site that was number 2 on the first page in the google results for a certain term but it still didnt get people visiting the site.

    If you are getting visitors then you need to be capturing their email, there are free autoresponder services that allow upto 1000 leads on a free account, capture those 1000 and email market them.

    If you are not getting visitors then change niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author AFI
      Originally Posted by Valdor Kiebach View Post

      You might have the search engine results page but are you getting people visiting the site?

      I had a site that was number 2 on the first page in the google results for a certain term but it still didnt get people visiting the site.

      If you are getting visitors then you need to be capturing their email, there are free autoresponder services that allow upto 1000 leads on a free account, capture those 1000 and email market them.

      If you are not getting visitors then change niche.
      Yes I think this is one of the problems. I am ranking for my keywords but still am not getting much traffic. How do I get them into the site? Write a better META description?
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      • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
        Originally Posted by AFI View Post

        ... How do I get them into the site? Write a better META description?
        Yes, the description is all they have to go on, that is what will make them want to click, unless they have a browser that popsup a thumbnail or larger image of the site when they hover over the link.

        But you can start by experimenting with changing the meta description.
        I am assuming you have direct links to your site from article marketing etc..
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      • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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        Originally Posted by AFI View Post

        Yes I think this is one of the problems. I am ranking for my keywords but still am not getting much traffic. How do I get them into the site? Write a better META description?
        Problem known is problem half-solved. I think a wise man once said that. Now, the complete solution is on the way.
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        • Profile picture of the author Defunct
          From the above comment Jennifer it seems like the keyword research you did, didn't turn out great.

          You really need to give more information though before anyone can help you.

          What keywords are you trying to rank for, what positions did you achieve, if you don't want to give the keywords, give their exact match estimates.

          You have basically said you aren't getting traffic though, maybe the keywords you selected aren't that high traffic, what positions are you in?
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by AFI View Post

        Yes I think this is one of the problems. I am ranking for my keywords but still am not getting much traffic. How do I get them into the site? Write a better META description?
        Jennifer, from the standpoint of search-engine traffic / SEO, it looks like you either haven't done your keyword-research correctly or just happen to have stumbled on a/some dud keyword(s); one(s) for which the search and traffic estimations simply don't reflect reality, for whatever reason.

        Not having an enticing title and/or meta description could also cause your site not to be clicked on as much as your competitors' in the search-engine results pages, but I find it hard to believe that this alone would be the root or most significant cause of your traffic deficiencies, providing they're at least relevant, even if they're not particularly interesting.

        Without someone being able to look at your site(s) and your keyword(s), it's going to be hard to advise as to where you may have gone wrong on that front.

        I'd be prepared to take a look for you if you're willing to share that information (don't worry, I'm not "shady") via a PM or something. Alternatively, if there's anyone else who you'd more readily trust around here (who "knows SEO"), I'm sure they'd be willing to take a look, too.

        Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Jennifer,

    That's a problem that a lot of people face. There's more to it than just SERPS, but you won't hear many of the SEO types saying that too loudly. Some are clear on it, but others just leave that part out.

    Mikedb has it right, but "conversion" isn't a single thing.

    You have to figure out the quality of the traffic, and the conversion rates based on different sources. You need to learn to write (or buy) good ad copy. Design may be an issue (or not), and you may be in a niche that's particularly sensitive to one or more issues of which you're not aware. For example, they could be more price-conscious than some others, or they might respond better to a different style of copy, or they might have particular hot buttons that are based on niche trends.

    The first questions I always ask people when something like this comes up are:

    1. How many visitors do you get over a week or a month?
    2. What percentage of those visitors buy or take the action you request?


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    • Profile picture of the author AFI
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


      1. How many visitors do you get over a week or a month?
      2. What percentage of those visitors buy or take the action you request?
      Yes I think the problem is the traffic. I have the SERPs but not very much traffic. Maybe I need to get traffic in from other ways than just search engine results. :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
        Originally Posted by AFI View Post

        Yes I think the problem is the traffic. I have the SERPs but not very much traffic. Maybe I need to get traffic in from other ways than just search engine results. :confused:
        In my own personal experience you need to have position 1 or 2 in Google to get decent traffic just from the SERPs. If the sites in those positions provide the answers that searchers are looking for they are unlikely to scroll further down the page - so the best written meta description in the world won't help you.

        I know from my experience as an IT teacher that most people don't scroll, on any page, ever! I've lost count of the times that I've told people to scroll down and read the rest of the search results.

        You need to find other ways of getting visitors directly to your sites. Article marketing is a tried and trusted method, which works for me.
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        Originally Posted by AFI View Post

        Yes I think the problem is the traffic. I have the SERPs but not very much traffic. Maybe I need to get traffic in from other ways than just search engine results. :confused:
        Or maybe you need to get ranked for keywords that people are searching for. If you have top rankings, but no traffic, it's most likely because no one is searching for the keywords you are ranking for.
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        • Profile picture of the author Deric Yin
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          Or maybe you need to get ranked for keywords that people are searching for. If you have top rankings, but no traffic, it's most likely because no one is searching for the keywords you are ranking for.
          Solid advice.

          Look at your web stats and see if you're indeed ranking for "dead" keywords. For all you know, you're getting a healthy stream of traffic which you're not converting.
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  • Profile picture of the author AFI
    I DO work hard and anyone who doesn't think so is invited to join me at 4AM when I get up every morning and sit with me until 3-4PM in the afternoon when I sometimes quit.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by AFI View Post

      I DO work hard and anyone who doesn't think so is invited to join me at 4AM when I get up every morning and sit with me until 3-4PM in the afternoon when I sometimes quit.
      If you're working eleven and twelve hours a day, and you're still not getting anywhere, what are you doing with all those hours?

      There's this old saying in weightlifting, "if your clothes aren't tighter at the end of the month, your workout isn't working."

      Similarly, if you aren't making more money at the end of the month, whatever you're doing doesn't work. You need to look at what you're doing, figure out what doesn't work, and replace it with something that does.

      Of course, it's easy to say that from over here, when you may be working like hell over there doing exactly that. A little more information about what you're doing would be helpful.
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      • Profile picture of the author AFI
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        If you're working eleven and twelve hours a day, and you're still not getting anywhere, what are you doing with all those hours?
        I'm submitting articles, I'm backlinking, I'm writing hub pages, I'm building new sites. I'm doing everything that I'm supposed to be doing but it's just not working out for me. I just don't see an increase in traffic and I guess that's what I need to work on.
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        • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
          Please listen to the people on this thread who have advised you that it's MORE than a traffic issue. You may be picking niches that do not have any real buyers, so no matter how long or hard you work on it, you won't make any money.

          Internet marketing isn't just about building pages and getting any old traffic. In order to attract buyers and get good conversions on your pages, you have to have ALL of the pieces of the puzzle working perfectly together.

          Sound like you need to work on niche selection, buyer keywords and match that up with good content and a solid affiliate product.


          Originally Posted by AFI View Post

          I'm submitting articles, I'm backlinking, I'm writing hub pages, I'm building new sites. I'm doing everything that I'm supposed to be doing but it's just not working out for me. I just don't see an increase in traffic and I guess that's what I need to work on.
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          • Profile picture of the author AFI
            Originally Posted by Fun to Write View Post

            Please listen to the people on this thread who have advised you that it's MORE than a traffic issue. You may be picking niches that do not have any real buyers, so no matter how long or hard you work on it, you won't make any money.

            Internet marketing isn't just about building pages and getting any old traffic. In order to attract buyers and get good conversions on your pages, you have to have ALL of the pieces of the puzzle working perfectly together.

            Sound like you need to work on niche selection, buyer keywords and match that up with good content and a solid affiliate product.
            Yes I am taking that into consideration too. And it may be so on my baby names site. But my other keywords are product keywords......Anyway I'm working in PMs with a few people who are helping me out. Thanks to everyone for your input!
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            • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
              This is why I don't place too much effort on ranking.

              It is (can be) dead easy to get targeted traffic to a site.

              How do you get people to look at your offer? You have to go to them. Hunt down those people who need what you are selling.

              You don't reach those people by spamming backlinks on sites through profiles (not saying you do that - just saying it as a general rule for anyone else who may be looking here). You reach them through Web 2.0 sites, articles, videos, forums, etc.

              What is the quality of the content you are using to link and push your site up in the serp's? Are you giving people a reason to click and get more information?

              What is your competition doing to get sales? Have you looked at their backlinks and tried to find out their traffic sources?

              Are the keywords you targeted buying keywords?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Jennifer,

    Traffic is the one thing you can't get results without. Whether it's from an email list, Facebook fan page, paid sources, articles, affiliates... whatever. You need to focus now on driving some targeted traffic so you can see if the site(s) is/are working. It's hard to make any sort of useful judgment without those numbers.


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  • Profile picture of the author cindybidar
    How are you finding where you rank for your keywords?
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  • Profile picture of the author asimbawany
    Yes I think the problem is the traffic. I have the SERPs but not very much traffic. Maybe I need to get traffic in from other ways than just search engine results. :confused:
    jennifer you may want to sign up for google webmaster tools and put your site in their. It will help you zero in on where the problem might be. It might be that you're ranking well for Keywords that don't get a lot of traffic. OR they get traffic but you don't because you may not have a description that "sells a click".
    Or perhaps you are not ranking high enough.

    Either way, im not saying the google webmaster tools will solve your problem, but it will help you identify it. PM me if you need help setting it up on your site. Its very easy actually.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
      Jennifer, what did you do with the info in the other thread? Your site still looks the same and it's a mess! WSO's and the likes are methods, you already know methods. Your problem now is that you don't know how to implement them. If there is a WSO that teaches you this stuff then you can guarantee it's buried somewhere deep with no sales and filed under "boring".

      I'll try an analogy, it might make more sense to you. When you go to the shops to buy milk, you go to buy milk. When you get there you see two shops, so you go in the first. As you walk through the door you are greeted with a giant poster board that says, "thanks for popping into our shop, we sell the things you are looking for. We hope you are warm and comfy and that you are having a good day. Shopping is fun isn't it, did I tell you we sell things? yes that's right we are a shop. Would you like to read our TOS?"...

      Now not only is this board annoying and boring, if you managed to get as far as the first sentence, you are already bored and have chosen to ignore it. You decide to walk around it but it's almost blocking the entrance, leaving nothing but a small corrider with shelves packed full of items you have absolutely no interest in. If you have the patience you may carry on. Eventually you come to the main part of the shop and everything is a mess. It's dimly lit, there are no signs guiding you where anything is, you can find no staff, everything appears to be scattered all over the place and the overall appearance is this place is run by people that have no idea how to run a shop, it reeks of unprofessionalism.

      There is only one thing you can find easily and that's the exit. Out of the small percentage of customers that even got this far (most walked out long ago), most of them head for the exit, especially knowing there is another shop nextdoor. There will always be a tiny amount of people that stick around and buy something but not many.

      You leave and go to the shop nextdoor. Now this shop knows how to use a WSO! As you walk through the door you are greeted with a lot of space so that you can get an impression of what the shop is about almost instantly. There is a large billboard with just a few big words saying "10% off everything - today only" That got your interest, it's only job was to make you stick around possibly a bit longer than you would have. This board is in the way of nothing and is not blocking any views.

      Without moving, you can clearly see lots of signs hanging from the ceiling telling you where all the popular items are, all from one place. Everything is labelled clearly and made simple. You don't have to look very far to find the milk because the shop owner has already figured out this is his most popular selling item, he made it very easy to find. He also figured out that most people that buy milk, also often buy x, y and z so these are placed strategically so that you can't help but be reminded when you go to grab the milk, but the placement of the milk will still be the main focus.

      The isles of the shop are laid out in such a way that the owner has figured out what the most common route is to the tills, here he fills the shelves with all the things that might also interest you... etc. The shop is a well refined selling machine. The first shop had to close down because it wasn't doing any business. the owner figured out it was the wrong area so has opened another one in a more expensive area!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        The isles of the shop are laid out in such a way that the owner has figured out what the most common route is to the tills, here he fills the shelves with all the things that might also interest you... etc. The shop is a well refined selling machine.
        So right!

        A major manufacturer's product display in a store is a great marketing lesson. I worked with a food broker and with a broker selling into military exchanges. Merchandisers who worked for us did not just fill shelves - they laid out a planned array of products in a specific order designed by marketing and consumer experts at the manufacturers end.

        High profit at eye level - lower profit, high selling products very high or low on the display. Coordinating colors and patterns and so many other things went into a simple store display. And all of that design was based on evaluating market research.

        Understanding how that merchandising worked helped me immensely when I began to learn about niches and keywords and structure of sites.

        It's basic - it's boring - and you can't do well without grasping the basics of it because it's the foundation you are building on.

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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Jennifer,

          When I search for that keyphrase (CBN) christianity.about.com comes up in the #1 spot and has an extensive alphabetical list of names you can look up.

          Why would anybody need to click on the lower ranking results, and why would anybody need to get their credit card out for a search like that.

          I think you have indeed chosen a niche where hard work will not equal reward, at least not a monitary reward.

          I've done this several times in the past, mostly because I just like the niche as I'm involved in it already, and what I've learned is to just stop putting anymore effort into it and move on.

          It looks like you've hit what you're going to hit with this one and you are not likely to out rank about.com for the lions share of the search traffic.

          Take what you've learned and apply it to another niche where BIG money is being spent you so can get some kind of return for your investment.

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      • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
        The few WSO's I have bought have worked tremendously well for me

        The thing with Internet marketing is some times even if you were spot on with your research and every thing looks good on paper - it still might not be a "winner"

        It has happened to me a couple of times and I am sure it has happened to most Warriors at some point in there careers - if you get traffic to your site and it still doesn't convert even after multiple split tests - some times you just have to pull the plug

        You can't take it personally and just move on to another niche - unlike opening a retail store - cutting your losses and setting up another niche is a relative low cost thing to do

        Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Teravel
    This thread doesn't have a lot of facts to work with. It's all assumption on what problems commonly occur, and the way to fix those problems. In order to really help, you would have to give us more information, such as what CMS you are using? How many Local Monthly Searches your keywords get? What statistics scripts do you have (Statpress, Analytics, etc)? What does your monetization look like?

    One problem I can already see is you are spreading yourself thin. Instead of working on getting 30 sites ranked well, you should be getting 1-2 sites making sales. Once you have a site or two making sales, you will be able to take what you learned and bring your other 28 sites to making sales as well (Or at least try).

    You said a few of your blogs are physical products, which means you may have a few review blogs. If so, you may want to read http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...affiliate.html if you haven't already.

    In order to get real answers, you will need to give more information. Otherwise, the forum will be tossing out suggestions for everything they can think of that may be the problem, when in fact it might be something small.
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  • Profile picture of the author AFI
    I think I'm just going to spend more time with my product review sites instead of the baby names sites and try to get them ranked for several keywords. Wouldn't it make more sense that people who are looking for a product review are in a buying mood?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by AFI View Post

      I think I'm just going to spend more time with my product review sites instead of the baby names sites and try to get them ranked for several keywords. Wouldn't it make more sense that people who are looking for a product review are in a buying mood?
      Yes, so I might type in "baby seat reviews"

      But you are missing the bigger picture. Ranking is not the end all be all to making sales.

      While you want to have content on your own site, it's wise to spread that content elsewhere without the worry of ranking.

      Who cares what page is ranking higher than your site - as long as it goes to your site??? Leverage sites that will rank before you can.
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    Thanks Richard, but I think I'm gonna work on my other sites for now and let that one just simmer for awhile.
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  • Profile picture of the author AFI
    How do I set the Google Keyword Tool to search "exact terms"?
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    • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
      Originally Posted by AFI View Post

      How do I set the Google Keyword Tool to search "exact terms"?
      Left side, below the fold. Google really put it in a bad place. You have to do a KW search first before you can check exact.

      Remember - for the term "Cookie Recipe"

      Broad: I need a recipe to remove browser cookies
      Phrase: Christmas Cookie Recipe for kids
      Exact: Cookie Recipe

      Broad Numbers contain all three! So you have to be careful!
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      • Profile picture of the author cindybidar
        Originally Posted by Eager2SEO View Post

        Left side, below the fold. Google really put in a bad place. Ypu have to do a KW search first before you can check exact.

        Remember - for the term "Cookie Recipe"

        Broad: I need a recipe to remove browser cookies
        Phrase: Christmas Cookie Recipe for kids
        Exact: Cookie Recipe

        Broad Numbers contain all three! So you have to be careful!

        That's an excellent example. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
    It sounds like your focusing mostly on the tactical side of things. I would step back and think about your core strategy and the fundmentals that are the driving principles of your tactics.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bane
    You know what? Everyone is going to try and guess why it's not working, but from the sounds of it you are someone who needs to go back to the basics and work it up from scratch. My suggestion would be to save your money, and instead focus on a good guide that will get you on your feet and earning properly.

    My roots began with a person called Vadym and his 'helping affiliate' guide. It is a little outdated (some of the links are old, specific info may be superceeded by better deals) but ultimately the core of the book is what matters, and that continues to work for me day in day out.

    You can find it here, completely for free (I can't post links yet, sorry) hxxp://helpingaffiliate.com/resources/yourlessons/
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  • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
    What is the Market Samurai Trick to determine if a kw is a good choice? PBR? Phrase to Broad Ratio. I believe it is:

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  • Profile picture of the author AFI
    And I also learned today that you should search Google Trends to see if your search is even in your local area (meaning your country). Apparently I'm very weak in the keyword research area. I guess it's something I need to study more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by AFI View Post

      And I also learned today that you should search Google Trends to see if your search is even in your local area (meaning your country). Apparently I'm very weak in the keyword research area. I guess it's something I need to study more.
      Jennifer, I think you will make a break through very soon. You are making a lot of progress and then analyzing what went wrong.

      You are doing great.

      I don't know what wso's you implemented but they may not be the reason you are not making money. You might just have picked the wrong market or niche.

      It seems you are getting somewhere. Maybe some of the wso purchases helped you without you realizing.
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  • Profile picture of the author AFI
    I wish I could post a keyword phrase here that I'm currently interested in working with to get approvals, but I'm so nervous of people stealing my phrases.

    It gets 8100 exact match searches a month. It has a little bit of competition but I'm not so worried about that. Google Trends says people in the US are looking for it and I think it's a "buying" word because it is a tangible object.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by AFI View Post

      It gets 8100 exact match searches a month. It has a little bit of competition but I'm not so worried about that. Google Trends says people in the US are looking for it and I think it's a "buying" word because it is a tangible object.
      Don't forget to check the month-by-month trends chart too (on Google Trends), to get an idea of whether the keyword search-volume is seasonal or relatively "evergreen".

      Apart from that, if everything else looks okay, it's probably a decent keyword.
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    • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
      Originally Posted by AFI View Post

      I wish I could post a keyword phrase here that I'm currently interested in working with to get approvals, but I'm so nervous of people stealing my phrases.

      It gets 8100 exact match searches a month. It has a little bit of competition but I'm not so worried about that. Google Trends says people in the US are looking for it and I think it's a "buying" word because it is a tangible object.
      I wouldn't recommend you tell anyone, I've nearly slipped up a few times in the past when posting while sleepy.

      Once I almost gave away one of my most profitable, luckily I woke up within 20 minutes and I managed to quickly edit my post.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Hi Jennifer,

    What you are doing is not wrong and your effort is not in vain.
    The thing is you should be testing your pages to see how long people are staying where they are coming from and where they are clicking off. Use a script that allows you to do this split test and see what results you get in this business it is all about testing and tweaking until you find what works then rinse and repeat.
    In doing the testing you can zero in on the issues and make the needed corrections.
    you are on the right track the key is to work smarter not harder.
    I wish you much success
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  • Profile picture of the author goodewealth
    As much as I don't like to admit it.....I started making more money offline then I did online. The online is okay but offline people see only my product advertising at a time so their minds aren't cluttered with the next "oh this is it" product waiting in the email after mine. I still love the fact that the internet is fast and has alot of possibilities but honestly speaking my bread and butter lies in the offline pot. What works for one may not work for the other......not given up but less money spent online for me now a days.
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  • Profile picture of the author AFI
    You all have been an amazing help, as always. I never fail to find the humanity and kindness on this forum. You're all unbelievable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    Originally Posted by AFI View Post

    I've bought a couple WSOs and followed them to a tee and now I've got these sites, they've got good SERPs and no ones buying.

    I'm a very hard worker, I can't afford to outsource much so I don't, I do everything myself and I've got all of these sites that are just doing nothing. I wish someone could recommend me a WSO that actually works. (here comes the PM spam....but go for it)
    AFI, you did not mention whether you promoted your sites. You should promote your sites for two reasons -- #1 to get good rankings, which you already have, and #2 for traffic, which you may or may not have, but anyways it doesn't seem to be the right traffic, i.e. its not buying.

    If the sites are Wordpress based, you might want to install some tools like Wordpress traffic analysis tools (see here: WordPress › Search for traffic analysis « WordPress Plugins ) to see what kind of traffic you have, i.e. what keywords are they coming in on, are they bouncing (i.e. leaving immediately), etc. That will give you a very good start on figuring out what's really going on when someone visits your site.

    Second, some niches require multiple "touch points" to make a sale. People aren't going to buy immediately no matter what. Are you capturing email addresses of people that visit your site, so you can get in touch with them to follow up?
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  • Profile picture of the author Vijay M
    Are you sure your site ranks exactly where you think it ranks?

    In your browser it might be showing at #2 , but on others it might not be showing up on page 1.

    Are you using any tool to check your rankings?
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinw1
    Jennifer, for a good, free, keyword research tutorial, try the first few weeks of The Challenge at http://challenge.co - it uses Market Samurai to speed things up, but there's a free trial you can use, no need to pay. (But MS is worth the money in the long run, if you have any budget at all).

    Keyword research is a foundation stone - it's one of those things you have to know, to build on top of. It's not foolproof, but it gives you a better shot at finding niches which will actually get traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wayne-JJ
    Another thing about keyword research, sometimes the figures might not be accurate, so when it says 5,000 global searches/month it might only be 500. Oz has several reports that cover this, highly recommended read
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    I think everything has been covered pretty well but since you are still in the learning stage you might find it easier to break up what you are doing into different stages so you aren't throwing out your successes because some other part is failing.

    The first thing you need to realise is that that a Google ranking is only for traffic. You can have a #1 rank that makes you no money while another makes a killing. The ranking is also no guarentee of any traffic. Study how to predict the traffic if your focus is free search engine traffic.

    (The #1 rank will get you more than double the traffic of a #2 and often 5 to 10times more traffic than the other spots - low searched keywords can bring more traffic than highly searched terms, very easily).

    Learn how to get the rankings consistently and you can then tweak the keywords you are chasing to find the valuable ones. Getting a good ranking for a low converting keyword is no different to getting a good ranking for a laser targeted term; the laser targeted term just might take a little longer to pin-point.

    Once you have the organic traffic source you can start playing around with your content, design and monetisation method - this is where the money is made. If you are struggling to convert for one particular method try tweaking it to see if you can improve results. If the results aren't coming then try another way.

    Information seekers might be prime candidates for a mailing list that you can work at over a series of relevant content. Your baby name site is an ideal candidate for this. They aren't exactly buyers but if the work doesn't phase you they might become valuable additions to your list that would otherwise just slip between the cracks.

    You know how to get a good ranking, now work on the actual marketing .
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