I wish I had a WSO that actually worked

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I've bought a couple WSOs and followed them to a tee and now I've got these sites, they've got good SERPs and no ones buying.

I'm a very hard worker, I can't afford to outsource much so I don't, I do everything myself and I've got all of these sites that are just doing nothing. I wish someone could recommend me a WSO that actually works. (here comes the PM spam....but go for it)
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    There's a whole lot of difference between working hard and working hard in the right direction.

    Are you sure you are doing the latter?

    Hey, are you sure you have put in enough hard work?

    How long have you been working hard? I mean, are you sure you are patient enough?
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    • Outside of my own blog, and a sales page developed recently, I have never used my own website for anything I've done online (Adsense, Affiliate Marketing, etc)...

      And...I've done quite well...The costs aren't significant for your own domain/hosting, but they are costs.

      (Let the remarks fly regarding why I shouldn't be using someone else's site, instead of working on my own...lol)
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  • " they've got good SERPs and no ones buying. "

    Seems to me that you have a conversion problem.
    Focus on that.
    traffic is great, but when no one buys...............

    master conversion, test, tweak, try list building, direct sales with affiliate links.
    Try placement of your video, images etc.
    When you see what works, repeat it for all your other sites.

    All the best!

    Regards,

    Mike
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  • There are a lot of things that could be in the way of this. The basic strategy is very simple.

    1. Find something people want to buy and join the affiliate program for it.
    2. Find the people who want to buy it and offer them your affiliate link.

    Somewhere along the line, people got the idea that if you just get high SERPs, #2 will happen all by itself. You can use the SERPs to find those people, but people searching the internet and people trying to buy something are two different things. The concept of "buying keywords" comes into play, as does the idea of "preselling."

    I'm no practical expert on those things, so I'll let someone else handle the details. I've done a lot of research on them, but since I don't do the affiliate thing very much, I don't have the real-world experience that could really cut to the heart of your problem and be likely to solve it.
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    • CD also makes a good point, having traffic that pays is a good thing, take a look at the keys in google search and see if the ads are full / as a quick guide, you can then go into the keyword tool and get some deeper insight into those keys and the value they are currently holding.

      I know I have taken a site to the number 1 spot only to find the traffic was OK, but the key i had chosen was a dud and people we not paying out the $.
  • Actually I know for a fact that Jennifer works very hard so I certainly don't think this is the case. However if you have a bunch of sites with good serps, something isn't being done right. I don't have enough info here Jennifer but if you want to PM me the url's of any of them I'll gladly give you my honest opinion for what it's worth.

    I have one particular niche, good traffic, nasty problem, Mr Me has the solution. I get 20-30 sign ups a day. Guess what? They are the worst bunch of buyers. For years I tried everything on this niche until I figured out this bunch of people just want free info. They're simply not prepared to pay for the solution. I have another niche with 2-4 sign ups a day, crap sales page, wouldn't ever think you'd sell jack and at least 1 sale a day.

    Sometimes the answer is easy to spot, sometimes the answer isn't what you'd like it to be. Sometimes you just have to keep going forwards. Chin up Jenn.
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    • Hey don't worry I wasn't having a crack, I was just getting the "No, she works hard" bit in before the mob did. We're on the same one here LD.
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  • You might have the search engine results page but are you getting people visiting the site?

    I had a site that was number 2 on the first page in the google results for a certain term but it still didnt get people visiting the site.

    If you are getting visitors then you need to be capturing their email, there are free autoresponder services that allow upto 1000 leads on a free account, capture those 1000 and email market them.

    If you are not getting visitors then change niche.
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    • Yes I think this is one of the problems. I am ranking for my keywords but still am not getting much traffic. How do I get them into the site? Write a better META description?
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  • Jennifer,

    That's a problem that a lot of people face. There's more to it than just SERPS, but you won't hear many of the SEO types saying that too loudly. Some are clear on it, but others just leave that part out.

    Mikedb has it right, but "conversion" isn't a single thing.

    You have to figure out the quality of the traffic, and the conversion rates based on different sources. You need to learn to write (or buy) good ad copy. Design may be an issue (or not), and you may be in a niche that's particularly sensitive to one or more issues of which you're not aware. For example, they could be more price-conscious than some others, or they might respond better to a different style of copy, or they might have particular hot buttons that are based on niche trends.

    The first questions I always ask people when something like this comes up are:

    1. How many visitors do you get over a week or a month?
    2. What percentage of those visitors buy or take the action you request?


    Paul
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    • Yes I think the problem is the traffic. I have the SERPs but not very much traffic. Maybe I need to get traffic in from other ways than just search engine results. :confused:
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  • I DO work hard and anyone who doesn't think so is invited to join me at 4AM when I get up every morning and sit with me until 3-4PM in the afternoon when I sometimes quit.
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    • If you're working eleven and twelve hours a day, and you're still not getting anywhere, what are you doing with all those hours?

      There's this old saying in weightlifting, "if your clothes aren't tighter at the end of the month, your workout isn't working."

      Similarly, if you aren't making more money at the end of the month, whatever you're doing doesn't work. You need to look at what you're doing, figure out what doesn't work, and replace it with something that does.

      Of course, it's easy to say that from over here, when you may be working like hell over there doing exactly that. A little more information about what you're doing would be helpful.
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  • Jennifer,

    Traffic is the one thing you can't get results without. Whether it's from an email list, Facebook fan page, paid sources, articles, affiliates... whatever. You need to focus now on driving some targeted traffic so you can see if the site(s) is/are working. It's hard to make any sort of useful judgment without those numbers.


    Paul
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  • How are you finding where you rank for your keywords?
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    • Jennifer I feel for you cause I too have worked my butt off and I have pain in my back now ( hope it will g away soon) and didn't see many results. But I'm seeing a brighter future and will not stop until I'm there. We'll laugh about this then!
  • jennifer you may want to sign up for google webmaster tools and put your site in their. It will help you zero in on where the problem might be. It might be that you're ranking well for Keywords that don't get a lot of traffic. OR they get traffic but you don't because you may not have a description that "sells a click".
    Or perhaps you are not ranking high enough.

    Either way, im not saying the google webmaster tools will solve your problem, but it will help you identify it. PM me if you need help setting it up on your site. Its very easy actually.
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    • Jennifer, what did you do with the info in the other thread? Your site still looks the same and it's a mess! WSO's and the likes are methods, you already know methods. Your problem now is that you don't know how to implement them. If there is a WSO that teaches you this stuff then you can guarantee it's buried somewhere deep with no sales and filed under "boring".

      I'll try an analogy, it might make more sense to you. When you go to the shops to buy milk, you go to buy milk. When you get there you see two shops, so you go in the first. As you walk through the door you are greeted with a giant poster board that says, "thanks for popping into our shop, we sell the things you are looking for. We hope you are warm and comfy and that you are having a good day. Shopping is fun isn't it, did I tell you we sell things? yes that's right we are a shop. Would you like to read our TOS?"...

      Now not only is this board annoying and boring, if you managed to get as far as the first sentence, you are already bored and have chosen to ignore it. You decide to walk around it but it's almost blocking the entrance, leaving nothing but a small corrider with shelves packed full of items you have absolutely no interest in. If you have the patience you may carry on. Eventually you come to the main part of the shop and everything is a mess. It's dimly lit, there are no signs guiding you where anything is, you can find no staff, everything appears to be scattered all over the place and the overall appearance is this place is run by people that have no idea how to run a shop, it reeks of unprofessionalism.

      There is only one thing you can find easily and that's the exit. Out of the small percentage of customers that even got this far (most walked out long ago), most of them head for the exit, especially knowing there is another shop nextdoor. There will always be a tiny amount of people that stick around and buy something but not many.

      You leave and go to the shop nextdoor. Now this shop knows how to use a WSO! As you walk through the door you are greeted with a lot of space so that you can get an impression of what the shop is about almost instantly. There is a large billboard with just a few big words saying "10% off everything - today only" That got your interest, it's only job was to make you stick around possibly a bit longer than you would have. This board is in the way of nothing and is not blocking any views.

      Without moving, you can clearly see lots of signs hanging from the ceiling telling you where all the popular items are, all from one place. Everything is labelled clearly and made simple. You don't have to look very far to find the milk because the shop owner has already figured out this is his most popular selling item, he made it very easy to find. He also figured out that most people that buy milk, also often buy x, y and z so these are placed strategically so that you can't help but be reminded when you go to grab the milk, but the placement of the milk will still be the main focus.

      The isles of the shop are laid out in such a way that the owner has figured out what the most common route is to the tills, here he fills the shelves with all the things that might also interest you... etc. The shop is a well refined selling machine. The first shop had to close down because it wasn't doing any business. the owner figured out it was the wrong area so has opened another one in a more expensive area!
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  • This thread doesn't have a lot of facts to work with. It's all assumption on what problems commonly occur, and the way to fix those problems. In order to really help, you would have to give us more information, such as what CMS you are using? How many Local Monthly Searches your keywords get? What statistics scripts do you have (Statpress, Analytics, etc)? What does your monetization look like?

    One problem I can already see is you are spreading yourself thin. Instead of working on getting 30 sites ranked well, you should be getting 1-2 sites making sales. Once you have a site or two making sales, you will be able to take what you learned and bring your other 28 sites to making sales as well (Or at least try).

    You said a few of your blogs are physical products, which means you may have a few review blogs. If so, you may want to read http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...affiliate.html if you haven't already.

    In order to get real answers, you will need to give more information. Otherwise, the forum will be tossing out suggestions for everything they can think of that may be the problem, when in fact it might be something small.
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  • I think I'm just going to spend more time with my product review sites instead of the baby names sites and try to get them ranked for several keywords. Wouldn't it make more sense that people who are looking for a product review are in a buying mood?
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    • Yes, so I might type in "baby seat reviews"

      But you are missing the bigger picture. Ranking is not the end all be all to making sales.

      While you want to have content on your own site, it's wise to spread that content elsewhere without the worry of ranking.

      Who cares what page is ranking higher than your site - as long as it goes to your site??? Leverage sites that will rank before you can.
  • Thanks Richard, but I think I'm gonna work on my other sites for now and let that one just simmer for awhile.
  • How do I set the Google Keyword Tool to search "exact terms"?
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    • Left side, below the fold. Google really put it in a bad place. You have to do a KW search first before you can check exact.

      Remember - for the term "Cookie Recipe"

      Broad: I need a recipe to remove browser cookies
      Phrase: Christmas Cookie Recipe for kids
      Exact: Cookie Recipe

      Broad Numbers contain all three! So you have to be careful!
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  • It sounds like your focusing mostly on the tactical side of things. I would step back and think about your core strategy and the fundmentals that are the driving principles of your tactics.
  • You know what? Everyone is going to try and guess why it's not working, but from the sounds of it you are someone who needs to go back to the basics and work it up from scratch. My suggestion would be to save your money, and instead focus on a good guide that will get you on your feet and earning properly.

    My roots began with a person called Vadym and his 'helping affiliate' guide. It is a little outdated (some of the links are old, specific info may be superceeded by better deals) but ultimately the core of the book is what matters, and that continues to work for me day in day out.

    You can find it here, completely for free (I can't post links yet, sorry) hxxp://helpingaffiliate.com/resources/yourlessons/
  • What is the Market Samurai Trick to determine if a kw is a good choice? PBR? Phrase to Broad Ratio. I believe it is:

    Code:
     phrase / broad > .15
  • And I also learned today that you should search Google Trends to see if your search is even in your local area (meaning your country). Apparently I'm very weak in the keyword research area. I guess it's something I need to study more.
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      Jennifer, I think you will make a break through very soon. You are making a lot of progress and then analyzing what went wrong.

      You are doing great.

      I don't know what wso's you implemented but they may not be the reason you are not making money. You might just have picked the wrong market or niche.

      It seems you are getting somewhere. Maybe some of the wso purchases helped you without you realizing.
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  • I wish I could post a keyword phrase here that I'm currently interested in working with to get approvals, but I'm so nervous of people stealing my phrases.

    It gets 8100 exact match searches a month. It has a little bit of competition but I'm not so worried about that. Google Trends says people in the US are looking for it and I think it's a "buying" word because it is a tangible object.
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    • Don't forget to check the month-by-month trends chart too (on Google Trends), to get an idea of whether the keyword search-volume is seasonal or relatively "evergreen".

      Apart from that, if everything else looks okay, it's probably a decent keyword.
    • I wouldn't recommend you tell anyone, I've nearly slipped up a few times in the past when posting while sleepy.

      Once I almost gave away one of my most profitable, luckily I woke up within 20 minutes and I managed to quickly edit my post.
  • Hi Jennifer,

    What you are doing is not wrong and your effort is not in vain.
    The thing is you should be testing your pages to see how long people are staying where they are coming from and where they are clicking off. Use a script that allows you to do this split test and see what results you get in this business it is all about testing and tweaking until you find what works then rinse and repeat.
    In doing the testing you can zero in on the issues and make the needed corrections.
    you are on the right track the key is to work smarter not harder.
    I wish you much success
    -WD
  • As much as I don't like to admit it.....I started making more money offline then I did online. The online is okay but offline people see only my product advertising at a time so their minds aren't cluttered with the next "oh this is it" product waiting in the email after mine. I still love the fact that the internet is fast and has alot of possibilities but honestly speaking my bread and butter lies in the offline pot. What works for one may not work for the other......not given up but less money spent online for me now a days.
  • You all have been an amazing help, as always. I never fail to find the humanity and kindness on this forum. You're all unbelievable.
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  • AFI, you did not mention whether you promoted your sites. You should promote your sites for two reasons -- #1 to get good rankings, which you already have, and #2 for traffic, which you may or may not have, but anyways it doesn't seem to be the right traffic, i.e. its not buying.

    If the sites are Wordpress based, you might want to install some tools like Wordpress traffic analysis tools (see here: WordPress › Search for traffic analysis « WordPress Plugins ) to see what kind of traffic you have, i.e. what keywords are they coming in on, are they bouncing (i.e. leaving immediately), etc. That will give you a very good start on figuring out what's really going on when someone visits your site.

    Second, some niches require multiple "touch points" to make a sale. People aren't going to buy immediately no matter what. Are you capturing email addresses of people that visit your site, so you can get in touch with them to follow up?
  • Are you sure your site ranks exactly where you think it ranks?

    In your browser it might be showing at #2 , but on others it might not be showing up on page 1.

    Are you using any tool to check your rankings?
  • Jennifer, for a good, free, keyword research tutorial, try the first few weeks of The Challenge at http://challenge.co - it uses Market Samurai to speed things up, but there's a free trial you can use, no need to pay. (But MS is worth the money in the long run, if you have any budget at all).

    Keyword research is a foundation stone - it's one of those things you have to know, to build on top of. It's not foolproof, but it gives you a better shot at finding niches which will actually get traffic.
  • Another thing about keyword research, sometimes the figures might not be accurate, so when it says 5,000 global searches/month it might only be 500. Oz has several reports that cover this, highly recommended read
  • I think everything has been covered pretty well but since you are still in the learning stage you might find it easier to break up what you are doing into different stages so you aren't throwing out your successes because some other part is failing.

    The first thing you need to realise is that that a Google ranking is only for traffic. You can have a #1 rank that makes you no money while another makes a killing. The ranking is also no guarentee of any traffic. Study how to predict the traffic if your focus is free search engine traffic.

    (The #1 rank will get you more than double the traffic of a #2 and often 5 to 10times more traffic than the other spots - low searched keywords can bring more traffic than highly searched terms, very easily).

    Learn how to get the rankings consistently and you can then tweak the keywords you are chasing to find the valuable ones. Getting a good ranking for a low converting keyword is no different to getting a good ranking for a laser targeted term; the laser targeted term just might take a little longer to pin-point.

    Once you have the organic traffic source you can start playing around with your content, design and monetisation method - this is where the money is made. If you are struggling to convert for one particular method try tweaking it to see if you can improve results. If the results aren't coming then try another way.

    Information seekers might be prime candidates for a mailing list that you can work at over a series of relevant content. Your baby name site is an ideal candidate for this. They aren't exactly buyers but if the work doesn't phase you they might become valuable additions to your list that would otherwise just slip between the cracks.

    You know how to get a good ranking, now work on the actual marketing .
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    I wish I had a WSO that actually worked

    I've bought a couple WSOs and followed them to a tee and now I've got these sites, they've got good SERPs and no ones buying. I'm a very hard worker, I can't afford to outsource much so I don't, I do everything myself and I've got all of these sites that are just doing nothing. I wish someone could recommend me a WSO that actually works. (here comes the PM spam....but go for it)