MSN loophole success???

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Hi folks,

I was wondering if anybody has had successful results with the MSN loophole as yet?

The main thing I want to know is if anybody has had success using only one IP - or if you think multiple class C IP addresses is mandatory for this to work?

Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    Originally Posted by magchick View Post

    Hi folks,

    I was wondering if anybody has had successful results with the MSN loophole as yet?

    The main thing I want to know is if anybody has had success using only one IP - or if you think multiple class C IP addresses is mandatory for this to work?

    Thanks
    Have you tried it with just one IP address? Or are you waiting for others to try it out before
    you decide to act on the loophole?
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  • Profile picture of the author NinjaReports
    To get strong rankings for a brand new network of sites it will normally take AT LEAST 1-2 months. MSN doesn't update it's rankings that often anyways. Since the product was released really recently, I doubt anyone has got really good results from it yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author novasoft
    Don't you have any old adsense sites from like 4 years ago on different c blocks?

    But in all honesty I had a loophole to MSN a year ago and my blogspot blog was #1 for "Free ringtones".... and there was no way in hell id sell that info as an inexpensive ebook
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  • Profile picture of the author Leigh Burke
    Hey Glenn,

    No I haven't acted on it yet. I am in 2 minds.

    1 - I don't want to go to all the effort of setting up 10 blogs on 1 IP address only to find out that it doesn't work.

    2 - I don't want to fork out $50 p.m for another hosting account if I don't need it.

    I thought I'd do a quick post to see what the general consensus was amongst people using the method. Most of the ebook point to needing the class C ip addresses, and that it is untested on only on IP.

    The thing that threw me was the statement that the multiple IP addresses were not mandatory on the discount page for the hosting package.
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  • Profile picture of the author Webel
    Hi,

    There's a big thread on this over at:

    warriorforum.com/internet-marketing-product-reviews-ratings/25951-chris-rempels-loophole-ouch-new-post.html

    But saying that and re the IP issues mentioned above ( a serious part of the technique in the Loophole system) I have to promote the free resource I set up so that you/I/we can swap WP blogs to get those unique IP addresses without shelling our for all that extra hosting.

    Jump to the link in my signature below to see what I'm on about. I've around a dozen 'Loophole' friendly blogs ready to swap already.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    Hey guys?

    What loophole?

    If what you are calling a loophole is actually setting sites up on different C blocks, then then interlink them, then it isn't a loophole at all. Nor is this new information. I've been doing if for a few years now.

    Yes, it does work well, but for it to really work, you have to cover your footprints, and only interlink to related sites/blogs.


    Mary
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    • Profile picture of the author aistores01
      Originally Posted by mmurtha View Post

      ... it does work well, but for it to really work, you have to cover your footprints....
      How do you do that?
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      • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
        Originally Posted by aistores01 View Post

        How do you do that?
        You don't have to worry about footprints with MSN.

        I try to with Google, but evidentally my efforts didn't pay off very well.

        The only way I know of to do is is by making sure you change you name and make it a little different when you register domains and accounts. You can also do it by changing your address and phone number. I change my physical address to a P.O. Box, and my home phone to me cell.

        But as I've said, it's getting to the point this doesn't work as well as it use to.


        Mary
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Originally Posted by mmurtha View Post

      Hey guys?

      What loophole?

      If what you are calling a loophole is actually setting sites up on different C blocks, then then interlink them, then it isn't a loophole at all. Nor is this new information. I've been doing if for a few years now.

      Yes, it does work well, but for it to really work, you have to cover your footprints, and only interlink to related sites/blogs.


      Mary
      The ranking loophole is a product recently launched by Dave Kelly and Chris Rempel. There is a little more to it than just getting links from different class C IP addresses.
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      • Profile picture of the author aistores01
        I tend to agree with adamv
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      • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
        Originally Posted by adamv View Post

        The ranking loophole is a product recently launched by Dave Kelly and Chris Rempel. There is a little more to it than just getting links from different class C IP addresses.
        Yup, so there is. I heard about it. But then again, I didn't mention everything that is done.


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        • Profile picture of the author indexphp
          Originally Posted by mmurtha View Post

          Yup, so there is. I heard about it. But then again, I didn't mention everything that is done.


          Mary
          Well... if you realize why MSN is retarded, you would know that there is a 'loophole'.
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          • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
            Originally Posted by Garrett Aren View Post

            Well... if you realize why MSN is retarded, you would know that there is a 'loophole'.
            They've always been like that. What some people call a loophole, others call it something else. That's like the Bum Marketing ... I still call it article marketing. It's the same thing, just a different name attached to it.

            Btw, MSN isn't "retarded" at all. They work like any other SE in thier bracket.


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            • Profile picture of the author an old msn fool
              Hi folks, yes I am a proud purchaser of msn loophole , and i can tell you it is full of ****
              Firstly they don't tell you . you have to buy an additional piece of software after the initial ebook.
              Secondly you have to buy additional hosting
              Thirdly , class c ip are worthless , they have the same geographical code and is obvious to a search engine they are the same locale

              I have 8 blogs on 8 different hosts and they cannot be connected in any way , and checking my backlinks , none are from this msn system . I did a test for one of my old domains which I never got round to putting a site up , so I did , and a good one too!
              One month later , total backlink in msn = 0 , nowhere in msn , but oddly it is in google , and the anchors are showing , my blogs are indexed daily( I post daily 2 articles to each of my blogs, not hard to do, I get the articles from newspapers from another country , so not duplicate )


              Save your money , class c ip's are worthless, look for unlimited multidomain , cheap hosting, like lunar pages , webpadhost for example.It costs the same

              Also the guy says he used this for years before offering this to the public,,,that's tosh, the linkubater software didn't work straight off, because it was full of bugs, because it was new and relatively untested
              Conclusion ....Hype based on a believable lie ...only for the gullible..like me
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              • Profile picture of the author nick1123
                Originally Posted by an old msn fool View Post

                Hi folks, yes I am a proud purchaser of msn loophole , and i can tell you it is full of ****
                Firstly they don't tell you . you have to buy an additional piece of software after the initial ebook.
                Secondly you have to buy additional hosting
                Thirdly , class c ip are worthless , they have the same geographical code and is obvious to a search engine they are the same locale

                I have 8 blogs on 8 different hosts and they cannot be connected in any way , and checking my backlinks , none are from this msn system . I did a test for one of my old domains which I never got round to putting a site up , so I did , and a good one too!
                One month later , total backlink in msn = 0 , nowhere in msn , but oddly it is in google , and the anchors are showing , my blogs are indexed daily( I post daily 2 articles to each of my blogs, not hard to do, I get the articles from newspapers from another country , so not duplicate )


                Save your money , class c ip's are worthless, look for unlimited multidomain , cheap hosting, like lunar pages , webpadhost for example.It costs the same

                Also the guy says he used this for years before offering this to the public,,,that's tosh, the linkubater software didn't work straight off, because it was full of bugs, because it was new and relatively untested
                Conclusion ....Hype based on a believable lie ...only for the gullible..like me
                Wow, this has a few fallacies in it....

                Class C ip's are not worthless. Lots of people use them with great success.

                You don't have to buy additional hosting if you don't want to. Instead you can use social bookmarking to get you started. I recommend socialmarker.

                If you're so dissatisfied with the product then ask for a refund.
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                • Profile picture of the author an old msn fool
                  Class c ip's are worthless for cheating the search engines into thinking they are unrelated, most impotant giveaway is the ip gives the host provider so the search engine knows all the blogs are from host gator. Even if you use 2 different host providers , all your backlinks will come from multiple blogs and domains , from only 2 host providers , and even msn knows that!
                  Want proof ?
                  Army of blogs ...anyone still use it ...no ... why....it doesn't work anymore.
                  What else do you think I am incorrect about? I can prove anything I have stated.
                  I am good at seo , but it takes too long , if I could find a cheat that worked , I would use it .
                  Social bookmarking , is a good one , I use bookmarking demon , like a demon , with great results , but there are rules you must follow if you have more than 100 accounts
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  • OK I give up, what is the MSN loophole??
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  • Profile picture of the author LeapingHorse
    I have set up about 40 "money sites" using the system in loophole, but no rankings in MSN yet for those keywords.

    However, for three other sites I set up at the EXACT same time as the ones I did using the "MSN Loophole" system I notice that I am in the top ten in MSN for each of these sites. And the keywords are probably even more competitive than the ones I'm targeting using the "loophole".

    Makes me curious why that is - I did use an article submission service to distribute an article for each site that linked to the site using the appropriate anchor text, so perhaps that blast of links was enough to rank it and MSN places more weighting on those links than the ones used in the loophole system. And the domain name does use the keywords as suggested in the system - something I had noticed far before purchasing this system based on my webstats. MSN does give huge weighting to domains that have the exact keywords in them.

    We'll see if the other 40 sites start to rank soon. I'm a big fan of Chris' stuff and Dave seems to know his stuff, but I'm starting to think that there are more efficient ways to get the same results that don't require a network of blogs or the purchase of the additional script/content generator.
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    • Profile picture of the author an old msn fool
      Hi leaping horse do you use..linkdomain:yoursite -site:yoursite..in yahoo to check your backlinks , or do you use...yoursite -domain:yoursite in msn, these 2 will generally show all your backlinks that have been found by that particular search engine ? And I think is a fair way to which links have actually been counted , though they don't show their contributory value.

      In regards of domain name , I generally buy up domains after they have been deleted and reclaim their backlinks with a rather clever 301 and 404( this stops the links being deleted from the search engines if they come up as 404 ) , but generally these sites are just old and I usually fill them with guff , but they rank real fast 1st page Msn , by using fast blog finder and a dozen comments in high pr blogs. There is a code for finding high pr dofollow blogs in google, but I can't remember it .I'll have a look for it.Also works in google for 1st page rank , but you have to sustain the steady growth in backlinks , which is difficult. Checking the backlinks as above , it is obvious that the dofollow blogs don't have seo plug in, and frequently the backlinks multiply as the comments archive as dynamic pages move address.
      As always examples: type ...free glass buttons ...into the google browser...
      Josweb , has no external backlinks to that page, and only internals ,but is no1, check the links.... note the page names , you will see the pages are the same pages , with different url , the permalink was changed many times and the backlinks are recounted and the old are not deleted from the search engine(incidentally this is the secret of ...)
      Sorry drifted off topic,sometimes you will be lucky and the blog that holds your comment will change permalink , then one comment , indexed as 10 , is indexed as 30 , sometimes 400 backlinks I got that from one lucky comment.
      I just realised if you don't use the seo all in one you won't know what I am talking about ....Sign up to Jeff Johnson in that case.
      If you already knew this I am sorry to waste your time , or do you think I am wrong ...check yourself, maybe you draw a different conclusion!
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    • Profile picture of the author gtgart
      Originally Posted by LeapingHorse View Post

      I have set up about 40 "money sites" using the system in loophole, but no rankings in MSN yet for those keywords.

      However, for three other sites I set up at the EXACT same time as the ones I did using the "MSN Loophole" system I notice that I am in the top ten in MSN for each of these sites. And the keywords are probably even more competitive than the ones I'm targeting using the "loophole".

      Makes me curious why that is - I did use an article submission service to distribute an article for each site that linked to the site using the appropriate anchor text, so perhaps that blast of links was enough to rank it and MSN places more weighting on those links than the ones used in the loophole system. And the domain name does use the keywords as suggested in the system - something I had noticed far before purchasing this system based on my webstats. MSN does give huge weighting to domains that have the exact keywords in them.

      We'll see if the other 40 sites start to rank soon. I'm a big fan of Chris' stuff and Dave seems to know his stuff, but I'm starting to think that there are more efficient ways to get the same results that don't require a network of blogs or the purchase of the additional script/content generator.
      I too have 50 money sites fired up by 30 blogs all with yes the add on expensive Linkubaiter. No top ten results for any of them

      The thing that really annoys me is the way the highly competitive "debt reduction" is used as a guinea pig and then after setting my 3 weeks worth of sites and 10 class c ips on a new hosting account that they recommend ONLY to have FAQ 10 come out and shame me for targeting highly competitive keywords - "What where you thinking?" style shaming by Dave Kelly.

      I mean if this was such a dumb ( and yes how could my 30 blogs generate enough link juice surpass everything else? MSNLH or not??) BUT if you check the sales page for Loophole there it still is, the same hey you can target any keyword you like lie, or deception, unchanged since day one.

      So that is why I am here trying to find someone (other than an affiliate promoting the thing) who has had success with at least some obscure keywords just to prove the thing works.

      Hey demand a refund? Are you kidding by the time you get past the "it will take 5 weeks" to "it will take up to six month for some" timeframe not to mention the hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours invested in this system that you begin to feel extremely ripped off?

      Now I am a big fan of Chris Rempel, Dave Kelly is starting look shonky and only that Chris recommends him do I hold on to any hope at all here.

      So LeapingHorse have you had any success yet?
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      • Profile picture of the author kmlengel
        OK, I would like to add to this. I did follow their instructions to the tee. Set up 10 different IP addresses, 25 blogs, with 20 money sites for two niches. So I had ave. 2-3 blogs per IP address and 1 money site of each niche on each IP address just as Dave described in video. He stated this would be plenty to make a lot of money!

        When I asked Chris Rempel about it, he made me pay him his $67.00 for email consult and gave me nothing new then what is already on this thread. He said I focused on too highly competitive of keywords. They were all 2 and 3 phrase keywords as advertised that this program would work for. He told me I would need 100's of blogs to have success.

        Here are my results after 4+ months of blogs, cc, linkubaiter, etc. I have 20 sites, 2 different niches, I have one top MSN listing for a word that gets no traffic and has five words in domain and one sale on another site that is ranked #5. Nothing else is even close to 1st page.

        On the other hand, like the comments about Google, i rank 7 and 12 for two highly competitive words on Google by following basic onpage optimization rules.

        MSN loophole is just another overhyped product by people trying to take your money. And then, to top it off, Chris rants on his blog that the problem is that of lazy people just wanting money. No, Chris, we just want the truth and not something overhyped so you can make your six figures from a launch, upsell us your other stuff, and leave us wanting the same thing we thought we were getting: a strategy for MSN that works.

        A waste of time and money folks, period!
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  • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
    I got the report also and like other experience , they are selling another product on the report to generate random links from different sites. The report is technique look good, but obviously they are promoting another product to use to be more successful according to them.

    I didn't buy the script they are promoting there, instead I created my own script easier to use and more flexible and use it to follow the techniques and I can say the the technique works but like other SEO techniques you still need to work for it. It's not a overnight traffic method.
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  • Profile picture of the author freudianslip27
    I setup a decent network across 3 IP's about a month ago and put a good bit of work into it. Waiting for results. I'll let you know if it works well, I have my fingers crossed.

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      • Profile picture of the author aistores01
        Originally Posted by jnyerere View Post

        Anybody getting good results with this MSN Loophole yet?

        JKN
        Nothing as yet. Still working on SEO by addings links, etc.

        Whatever happened to the main Loophole thread "Chris Rempel's Loophole ...OUCH". Can't find it anywhere. There was some very good advice there.
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        • Profile picture of the author netstrife
          Originally Posted by aistores01 View Post

          Nothing as yet. Still working on SEO by addings links, etc.

          Whatever happened to the main Loophole thread "Chris Rempel's Loophole ...OUCH". Can't find it anywhere. There was some very good advice there.
          the entire thing ended in a massive flame war and the thread was deleted.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by jnyerere View Post

        Anybody getting good results with this MSN Loophole yet?

        JKN
        10 of my 14 money sites are getting page one rankings as of 2-10-09. Money sites and blog network was set up near the middle/end of December. Did about as little as you can do with this test. I set up the network, and that's about it. I think I got 2, MAYBE 3 links outside the network. I planned to do more, but never got around to it. As it stands, I didn't need to, though it would have accelerated the results. I'm just going to let it ride now though. I suspect next update I'll have mostly top 3 rankings, whereas now they range from 1 to 10.
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        • Profile picture of the author Framed4u
          Originally Posted by blackhatcat View Post

          10 of my 14 money sites are getting page one rankings as of 2-10-09. Money sites and blog network was set up near the middle/end of December. Did about as little as you can do with this test. I set up the network, and that's about it. I think I got 2, MAYBE 3 links outside the network. I planned to do more, but never got around to it. As it stands, I didn't need to, though it would have accelerated the results. I'm just going to let it ride now though. I suspect next update I'll have mostly top 3 rankings, whereas now they range from 1 to 10.

          I have 9 money sites with 9 blogs feeding them and finished building it 25th November 2008. Not one site is even close to ranking top 10. I used linkubaiter and caffinated content bla bla but nothing. If anyones got any advice that has been succesful it would be appreciated as i really dont want to give up on it with the amount of time i put into it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Molano
    It does work and it does indeed work very well.

    But like Mary already stated it's nothing new.

    Nevertheless the product in question IS a great product, Rempel and his partner managed to compile things together into an easy to understand (and implement) method.

    Also, be patient, with SEO it takes time to see results.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I think its about time people ADMIT if they implement a method and it OBVIOUSLY doesn't work: SAY SO!

    I myself did NOT have success with MSN loophole, in fact, sites where i implemented this where not even INDEXED or anywhere to see after months in MSN search engine. Not to mention "ranking" for whatever keywords i used.

    The "end" for me then came reading the statement by the creators themselves that implementing this great "loophole" technique actually can DE-INDEX your site in google!

    Can i afford any of my sites being deindexed by Google? NO!

    If you had success using this, say so. I just never read anyone HAVING success, and "waiting for results" certainly does not cut it!

    If it did NOT work..don't be shy and say it. I do.

    HOWEVER, i got one positive out of this: It made me start with Wordpress, Autoblogs and creating LOTS of great blogs. I also got many ideas which are based on about the same principle, that is "interlinking" over multiple IPs....and i think there is interesting potential, eg. doing this with RSS feeds and similar things.
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I think its about time people ADMIT if they implement a method and it OBVIOUSLY doesn't work: SAY SO!

      I myself did NOT have success with MSN loophole, in fact, sites where i implemented this where not even INDEXED or anywhere to see after months in MSN search engine. Not to mention "ranking" for whatever keywords i used.

      The "end" for me then came reading the statement by the creators themselves that implementing this great "loophole" technique actually can DE-INDEX your site in google!

      Can i afford any of my sites being deindexed by Google? NO!

      If you had success using this, say so. I just never read anyone HAVING success, and "waiting for results" certainly does not cut it!

      If it did NOT work..don't be shy and say it. I do.

      HOWEVER, i got one positive out of this: It made me start with Wordpress, Autoblogs and creating LOTS of great blogs. I also got many ideas which are based on about the same principle, that is "interlinking" over multiple IPs....and i think there is interesting potential, eg. doing this with RSS feeds and similar things.
      It didn't work for me either and I had a couple dozen posts in the thread that got deleted so I'm not going to bother with getting too involved in this thread, saying the same thing.

      I put up 20 blogs and 10 money sites on Nov. 5th and months later I have seen zero results. I've since spent a tiny fraction of the time I spent on the loophole and just a tiny bit of money on another project, after one week I'm starting to make the kind of money I hoped I would be making with the loophole.

      After reading the sales letter I was convinced that the loophole would be an awesome money maker but it was a HUGE waste of time and money for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author andrewpeacock
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      The "end" for me then came reading the statement by the creators themselves that implementing this great "loophole" technique actually can DE-INDEX your site in google!

      Can i afford any of my sites being deindexed by Google? NO!
      Hi George,
      I think the important point which I also remember the authors saying is: use this technique on new sites. That way they're not in google anyway. If you've got one site doing well in Google, and one in MSN, great!

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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      The "end" for me then came reading the statement by the creators themselves that implementing this great "loophole" technique actually can DE-INDEX your site in google!
      Yeah, I'm guessing that's why they made it clear to people that this was a technique for MSN. And since they made it clear in the ebook that this might cause you problems with Google, there never even should have been a beginning for you if that was a concern, let alone an "end".

      Frankly, many of the posts I read about this product leave little doubt in my mind why it hasn't worked for some. I'll let the rest of you figure out what that might be.

      Meanwhile, I've spent this past week expanding my network by 12 money sites and 6 feeder/blogs...you know, because I just love spending time and money on things that don't work, lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        Originally Posted by blackhatcat View Post

        Yeah, I'm guessing that's why they made it clear to people that this was a technique for MSN. And since they made it clear in the ebook that this might cause you problems with Google, there never even should have been a beginning for you if that was a concern, let alone an "end".

        Frankly, many of the posts I read about this product leave little doubt in my mind why it hasn't worked for some. I'll let the rest of you figure out what that might be.

        Meanwhile, I've spent this past week expanding my network by 12 money sites and 6 feeder/blogs...you know, because I just love spending time and money on things that don't work, lol.

        I suspect the same thing you do mate. I just started in IM and the loophole happened to be the very first thing I bought and implemented. My sites are ranking and started ranking inside of two weeks. Can you say, follow directions? lolz
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    • Profile picture of the author IowaGal
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I think its about time people ADMIT if they implement a method and it OBVIOUSLY doesn't work: SAY SO!

      I myself did NOT have success with MSN loophole, in fact, sites where i implemented this where not even INDEXED or anywhere to see after months in MSN search engine. Not to mention "ranking" for whatever keywords i used.

      The "end" for me then came reading the statement by the creators themselves that implementing this great "loophole" technique actually can DE-INDEX your site in google!

      Can i afford any of my sites being deindexed by Google? NO!

      If you had success using this, say so. I just never read anyone HAVING success, and "waiting for results" certainly does not cut it!

      If it did NOT work..don't be shy and say it. I do.

      HOWEVER, i got one positive out of this: It made me start with Wordpress, Autoblogs and creating LOTS of great blogs. I also got many ideas which are based on about the same principle, that is "interlinking" over multiple IPs....and i think there is interesting potential, eg. doing this with RSS feeds and similar things.
      I was wondering how long it would take for someone to discover that even though it might work well in MSN, it will get your site deindexed by Google.

      Anytime you use multiple class C IP addresses, you will find yourself doing a LOT of work that you wouldn't have to do if you just played by the typical SEO rules.

      Why people want to put themselves through all of that work, worrying about getting "caught" by Google is beyond my understanding.
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      • Profile picture of the author TJ Kazunga
        I was wondering how long it would take for someone to discover that even though it might work well in MSN, it will get your site deindexed by Google.

        Anytime you use multiple class C IP addresses, you will find yourself doing a LOT of work that you wouldn't have to do if you just played by the typical SEO rules.

        Why people want to put themselves through all of that work, worrying about getting "caught" by Google is beyond my understanding.
        Hmmm, IowaGal, I think you have the wrong end of the stick. Basically, the product says very clearly that you shouldn't use this technique on sites that you want to rank with Google. So, in other words, only use this technique with websites made specifically for this technique.

        People complaining about getting getting deindexed with Google haven't just haven't read the instructions properly.

        Now, there may be other stuff wrong with the product, but in fairness that is not a valid criticism.
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        • Profile picture of the author IowaGal
          Originally Posted by TJ Kazunga View Post

          Hmmm, IowaGal, I think you have the wrong end of the stick. Basically, the product says very clearly that you shouldn't use this technique on sites that you want to rank with Google. So, in other words, only use this technique with websites made specifically for this technique.

          People complaining about getting getting deindexed with Google haven't just haven't read the instructions properly.

          Now, there may be other stuff wrong with the product, but in fairness that is not a valid criticism.
          If you read my post, I was simply agreeing with George. But that's beside the point.

          The point that I was trying to make was that if you're going to work at getting your site in a good position why not work at it with a search engine that will actually bring you a vast majority of the traffic?

          Chances are, Google will find your site first anyway. And the only way, and I mean the ONLY way that you could prevent your site from getting deindexed in Google AND using this technique would be to specifically set up rules so that Google doesn't even visit your site or know that you exist at all.

          And with Google getting a vast majority of the search engine traffic as it is, what's the point in doing that?

          If someone simply spent just a fraction of their time actually focusing on working at SEO *gasp* they wouldn't have to resort to techniques that are only going to get a fraction of the website traffic they could otherwise have received.
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            • Profile picture of the author IowaGal
              Originally Posted by jnyerere View Post

              Because some people may choose to do both. Relying on one source of traffic is naive. This is like saying why bother advertising on the FOX network if NBC gets the more eyeballs.
              I didn't say to rely on one source of traffic - I said to "work at it with a search engine that will bring you a vast majority of traffic."

              One could argue that the statement "relying on one source of traffic is naive" is contradictory because this method does in fact rely on one source of traffic.


              Originally Posted by jnyerere View Post

              Because you may make more money by being number 1 in MSN for 3 years than number 30 in Google for 2 weeks, assuming you are using the same amount of effort.
              Assuming that someone could guarantee that for you and I highly doubt that MSN will keep this same algorithm that allows for the loophole for the next three years.


              Originally Posted by jnyerere View Post

              There are many ways to skin a cat. Assuming that your way is the right way is just being simple. Assuming that other people who are not doing things your way are being less hard working is just arrogant.
              heh. Actually what I said was if you're going to work hard, why not work hard towards working with Google instead of against them?

              Originally Posted by jnyerere View Post

              The last time I checked, Google has not released a blueprint on how to be on page 1 of their results. So what you call Google SEO is really just an accumulation of perceived loopholes in the Google ranking algorithm.
              Has MSN? I'd love to see it.

              Actually, (at least in my eyes) loopholes are ways to "trick" the search engines not provide them with what they actually want.

              Originally Posted by jnyerere View Post

              Others might ask you, "why do some people not just work hard *gasp* and create high quality content that google will just naturally love and rank highly instead of wasting time trying to manipulate the SERP with SEO?".

              JKN
              If I understand your statement, you're basically saying that SEO is "manipulation".

              If the search engines want great content, that's what I'll give them. If they want you to title your pages so that they make sense, then that's what I'll give them.

              Manipulation is the act of doing something devious. Not doing something that is specifically being requested.

              Everyone has and is completely entitled to their own opinion. If this method works for you, great. It's just not my thing.

              On a personal note, I'm really surprised at how so many people are passionate about defending this topic.

              And there's nothing wrong with that. I just find it interesting to see all of the different opinions and ideas on this. The original thread (that evidently has been deleted) was very much the same way.

              I do have to say, I love the passion that's involved.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Andrew, i just see the scheduler in your sig.
    Do you have any WSO specials for this?

    Does it turn CC into a real-time content fetcher which can get new content every day?

    How you go about the problem that CC does actually *always* find content....eg. if i were to fetch for "student loans" every day, i tell it to fetch 10 articles...
    The next day it does the same thing, but it tells me "nothing found" since it fetches the same 10 articles it did the day before which are already in the database.
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      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Andrew, i just see the scheduler in your sig.
      Do you have any WSO specials for this?

      Does it turn CC into a real-time content fetcher which can get new content every day?

      How you go about the problem that CC does actually *always* find content....eg. if i were to fetch for "student loans" every day, i tell it to fetch 10 articles...
      The next day it does the same thing, but it tells me "nothing found" since it fetches the same 10 articles it did the day before which are already in the database.
      Hi Georg,
      Sorry for the delay in posting, I'm not visiting the forum every day, as I'm too busy creating products right now...

      Yes - new content every day, hands free. Personally, I've not noticed it fetching the same articles over and over again. Although - when you say "articles", do you actually mean articles from GoArticles.com or whatever the source is? I'm only using YahooAnswers at the moment, which might explain why I'm not doing it.

      I'll set up an Article feed on one of my blogs and see what happens.. Hold on..

      .... 30 seconds later ....:-)

      OK done (I simply copied the existing YahooAnswers one, and changed it to Articles as the source - took about 8 clicks). I'll monitor it and hopefully come back to you in a few days - if I don't, nag me via a PM!

      And the WSO will be coming soon - there's a few things I need to do to make the most of it though.

      Andy
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    • Profile picture of the author andrewpeacock
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Andrew, i just see the scheduler in your sig.
      Do you have any WSO specials for this?
      Hi,
      A quick update - the WSO is available now,
      Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    you know, when i had it running it had some keywords pointing to some of my sites. I even shared URLs with one or two other people. My sites were not even INDEXED in MSN, not to mention "ranked".
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    I can say that it seems to be working for me and I am doing it on a single shared server. I have 1 blog and 3 sites that are linked.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    so you're #1 for the keyword in MSN?
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  • Profile picture of the author brandonhess
    Make a good video, and link it to where you want them to go. build your channels an youtube and other sites like it. If you do that you are going to get ranked on all search engines well.

    Videos are taking over the web people. Just my opinion. I do not understand all that other stuff to well. Sounds like a lot of work. I have made it to Google easily, and I do not even know what you guys are talking about. I do not have any hosting and doing okay.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    I'm starting to see some good results myself. I made the mistake of going after some huge traffic kws at first, those are climbing, but the middle of the road keywords I added 6-8 weeks back are starting to do some damage

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    • Profile picture of the author dmderoeck
      I currently have 4 $ sites, one ranked on 1st page, 2nd position for my targeted keyword in MSN. It definitely works but inconsistencies by MSN is the frustrating thing I have experienced...

      I did very little SEO other than an article pointing to the one that's ranked and some minor linking.

      Also, I only have only 5 blogs but plan on expanding that this weekend.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Sorry,but...you don't have to get so technical and complicated about all this.

    I get hundreds of hits from MSN every single day. You know how I do it? Get inline text links from other sites that MSN regards as authority sites.

    Very simple, free, consistent and profitable!

    There's your free WSO for the day.

    Oh...and did I mention this method is...FREE?

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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    Does anybody remember the promo code that was offered for the $50 special with seohosting.com?
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    • Profile picture of the author dhsemp
      Hi Don,

      If your looking for SEOHosting.com (i.e. HostGator sister company), I was able to work out a sweet deal with the Head of Marketing. Here it is again:

      Go ahead and order directly from the site, but follow the instructions below:

      https: //secure.seohosting.com/billing/order/orderwiz.php

      1. Enter an existing domain

      2. Select a 5 C Class plan

      3. Use the coupon code "35off" to get the order 100% free for the first month

      4. Select Continue

      5. Fill in your order details and include the phrase "MSNLOOPHOLE" in the comments field.

      6. Send a quick email to chad*at*hostgator.com (sorry, I can't post email's yet... but you should understand that) with your domain name and he'll get you upgraded within 2 business days to the 10 C-Class package and will set your price override to $50 per month.

      So essentially... you'll get the first month free... and will be locked in with 10 unique Class C's at $50/month thereafter. The best part is that you'll have the excellent support that hostgator is known for.

      **NOTE** This only works for new customers... or existing customers purchasing a new plan.

      Hope this helps. Cheers - Derek
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  • Profile picture of the author molsted
    Hi guys,

    the loophole method do of course work. But just like any other seo method you need to get your keyword research right in the first place. Also, linking stuff togehter etc is NOT necessary it is just a method to get/control the linking. If you are a member of a * one-way * linking network that will work just as fine!

    Best
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  • Profile picture of the author Leigh Burke
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    Magchick- Thanks for posting that. I was looking for the offer from seohosting.com though. It was in the other thread which was deleted. I guess it got to ugly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
    Hi guys. Great forum, the kind I was looking for. I've been lurking a while and now it's time for my very first post here

    My first money sites were too competitive so I put up new ones December 27th, and still no results at all. I have 15 blogs and 5 money sites. Dave and Chris seem to have a great rep here, and frankly, I'm impressed with their customer service, both in the quick replies to my emails, and in all the video FAQs they did.

    Bottom line, I'm certainly willing to wait a little longer to see results, even though there's zero up to now. I'm giving it 2 more months.

    Allen, you say "I get hundreds of hits from MSN every single day. You know how I do it? Get inline text links from other sites that MSN regards as authority sites.

    Very simple, free, consistent and profitable!"

    Any tips on how you do that?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Carlow
    How do you do you determine what MSN considers an authority site?
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      To determine what sites MSN considers to be "authority" sites, you just have to ask them!

      Sit down with your keyword list and just start searching. Before too long you will notice a trend of certain websites that you consistently see in the results.

      Example: Search MSN for the following keyphrases:
      Do you see a site consistently in the rankings for those keyword phrases? (schnauzerlover.com)

      These are the sites you want links from.

      As far as GETTING the links from those sites, it's mostly about networking yourself and getting known by those other website owners.

      It takes time, but how long have you been waiting for results already?

      You can find these website owners and develop a relationship with them...you CAN!

      All it takes is a few of those authority links and your site will be considered one of the authority sites as well, getting ranked highly for virtually any keyword phrase in the niche.

      Of course, it takes more than this - quality content, consitently updating with fresh content, article marketing, other link building strategies - but once we started getting the links from the sites that MSN considered authority sites, we realized a huge difference.

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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Moser
    Ranking for #1 in MSN is easy... at least for long tail keywords.

    Here's what you need...

    - A keyword rich domain for the keyword phrase you want to target. I've done it with KeywordPrase.com Keyword-Phrase.com Key-word-Phrase.com KeywordPrase.net and Keyword-Phrase.net Key-word-Phrase.net

    -The keyword phase in your page title

    - Relevant content with your keyword phrase appearing once or twice.

    You don't need...

    - Any complicated scripts

    - To build splogs

    - Any backlinks! (Yep that's right... no backlinks!)

    - Dedicated IP's (unless you want to target multiple keywords in the same niche)

    I just thought I'd throw this out there for those who are making this more complicated than it needs to be. It's worked for me every time for low competition long tail keywords.

    Want proof?

    Look up Vista Registry Cleaners on MSN.

    You'll see the #1 or #2 spot for vistaregistrycleaners.com

    That page has been ranking there for over a year and I recently let the domain expire but MSN is stupid enough to still rank it.

    All I did was slap up a wordpress blog with one article on it and I did nothing else!
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Originally Posted by Aaron Moser View Post

      Ranking for #1 in MSN is easy... at least for long tail keywords.

      Here's what you need...

      - A keyword rich domain for the keyword phrase you want to target. I've done it with KeywordPrase.com Keyword-Phrase.com Key-word-Phrase.com KeywordPrase.net and Keyword-Phrase.net Key-word-Phrase.net

      -The keyword phase in your page title

      - Relevant content with your keyword phrase appearing once or twice.

      You don't need...

      - Any complicated scripts

      - To build splogs

      - Any backlinks! (Yep that's right... no backlinks!)

      - Dedicated IP's (unless you want to target multiple keywords in the same niche)

      I just thought I'd throw this out there for those who are making this more complicated than it needs to be. It's worked for me every time for low competition long tail keywords.

      Want proof?

      Look up Vista Registry Cleaners on MSN.

      You'll see the #1 or #2 spot for vistaregistrycleaners.com

      That page has been ranking there for over a year and I recently let the domain expire but MSN is stupid enough to still rank it.

      All I did was slap up a wordpress blog with one article on it and I did nothing else!
      The whole point of the loophole is supposed to be to rank for highly competitve and highly searched for keywords. I can rank for long tails in Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Carlow
    I'm beginning to wonder if Linkubaiter (rotating links) is hurting more than it's helping on my sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Framed4u
      Exactly. I here lots of people saying you are going after to competitive keywords but thats the whole point why i purchased the stupid course in the first place. Even a novice can make top 10 for long tail keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author magwoi
    I have a network of already indexed msn loophole blogs/sites for sale that I no longer need. PM me if interested.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    Thanks Derek. That is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for taking your time to post it. I haven't checked to see if seohosting works with affiliates, but if they do, send me your aff link and I will sign up through it.
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    • Profile picture of the author dhsemp
      Hi Don,

      Not a problem! I've actually tried both WebHostingForSeo.com & GotWebhost.com... okay experience with both, but I've definitely had the best luck with SeoHosting.com (Hostgator's sister company).

      Thanks much for asking for my affiliate link... they actually don't have one yet, but you can tell Chad that I sent you and he will give me a little credit to my account this month.

      Thanks again! Please let me know how your experience with them goes!

      Cheers - Derek
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    How about getting indexed and ranked in Google and then setting up your robots file to disallow Google - wouldn't your site then rank in both?

    Just guessing...

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  • Profile picture of the author Leigh Burke
    Hi Folks,

    I would just like to add an update.

    I have set up 19 blogs with content. I have setup 6 money pages. Now I am just waiting

    To do all of the above took me about 4-6 hours.

    I have observed that everybody keeps stating that there is a lot of effort involved with the loophole technique.

    6 hours once, and then the ability to add money pages as I target other niches seems not that hard to me!

    I will state though, that it is a bit fiddly to setup, and if you don't know what you are doing, it could take a lot longer!

    I'll be using a macro to log into all my blogs and add links to money pages as required. Because I don't know about you, but logging into 19 blogs is quite boring and tedious to say the least!

    I'll keep you updated as to the results.

    PS - I still target google with my regular sites, but am keeping my money pages separate fro MSN - just another weapon in my arsenal.
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      Derekm

      Link doesn't work "https: //secure.seohosting.com/billing/order/orderwiz.php"
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      • Profile picture of the author dhsemp
        Sorry about that... take out the space between the https: and the //

        Let me know if you have any problems. Cheers! - Derek

        btw... I now have 6 of my 20 money sites ranked in the top 5 of MSN. I've only generated a little bit in sales, but I've spent nearly no time trying to monetize the sites. I really think this works... it just takes a lot of time. :-) Good luck to all!
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  • Profile picture of the author Leigh Burke
    Hi folks,

    Just an update, none of my loophole sites have been indexed in live.com yet. Does anybody else have any recent results?
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  • Profile picture of the author Leigh Burke
    A funny thing...

    None of my sites are showing up in MSN yet ... however the same products listed as WSOs ARE showing up for some MSN searchs hehe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leigh Burke
    Thanks for the detailed feeback Robert.

    I still have no listings showing up in MSN, however, another new method I tried is working well in Google.

    Given the time and cost taken to setup the loophole method, I do hope it is just a metter of patience.
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    • Profile picture of the author aistores01
      Originally Posted by Publishing Guru View Post

      ...however, another new method I tried is working well in Google....
      Publishing Guru,

      Could you share this new method?
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  • Profile picture of the author Leigh Burke
    Hi Aisotres,

    Basically I am gaining backlinks by other methods such as submitting demo versions of my products to directories with my keywords and UR as metadata
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  • Profile picture of the author Samuel Lee
    Thank you for your follow up post Webel, your link helped clarify things a little, now I understand things a little better! Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author magwoi
    Has anybody who is using Dave Kelly's LinkuMate Blog network care to give any feedback if it has helped their MSN Loophole sites?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author mistermint
    Hi, there must be another thread on this topic. I'm using MSN Loophole though, some of the sites have ranked well on google nothing for MSN yet. Made 10 blogs and about 15 money sites, all using linkubater and CC for the blogs. Traffic is slow but appears to be building a bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author mistermint
    Hi, well I'm finding something similar with google, did mention this on another thread, until I found this one. I also read the rant on the blog.

    Have not been doing as long as kmlengal but long enough that there should be some kind of result. It's a lot of work and cost. I don't remember reading you needed 100 blogs, I made 10 some with old more or less unused domains and 20 odd niche money sites.

    I'm not here to pull anyone to bits just to read the experiences of others. Tempted to start re vamping the sites I have though, I feel a bit deflated.
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      @gtgart & kmlengel

      I agree with you guys 100%. I got started with this thing before it officially launched. 10 money sites and 30 blogs = $0.

      I spent about 15 or 20 hours setting this up and I don't know how many hundreds of dollars on domain names and hosting.

      You guys are right about how the sales letter says that it's super easy to rank for highly competitive keywords and then several weeks later they're telling people that the keywords they're targeting are too competitive.

      I'm targeting competitive keyword phrases but they are 3 and 4 word phrases not one or two word phrases. My keywords are competitive but not as competitive as credit card debt (which is their example.)

      In previouse threads (which have been deleted) about this system their were people suggesting that those who were not having success were failing because they were either too stupid, too lazy to actually work the method, or somehow doing somthing wrong which is a huge insult to the many people who said they followed the system to the letter and were having no success even months after getting started.

      A refund at this point would be pointless. I can't get back the time I wasted setting this up or the hundreds of dollars spent on hosting and domain names.

      To anyone considereding this method, I would advise against it. I had high hopes for it, followed it exactly, and got nowhere with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author New Mike
    I see loophole sites popping up on MSN in my niche [health & fitness] so some people are getting rankings. In hind site, I made the mistake of using this as my first foray into IM, it's was too complex for a total nube like me so I paid a programmer to set it up. He make some big mistakes that I just discovered, so my blogs are just now getting deeply indexed. I have to say Chris and Dave always answered my endless questions promptly. I'll report back soon now that's everything is finally set up right.
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Originally Posted by New Mike View Post

      I see loophole sites popping up on MSN in my niche [health & fitness] so some people are getting rankings. In hind site, I made the mistake of using this as my first foray into IM, it's was too complex for a total nube like me so I paid a programmer to set it up. He make some big mistakes that I just discovered, so my blogs are just now getting deeply indexed. I have to say Chris and Dave always answered my endless questions promptly. I'll report back soon now that's everything is finally set up right.
      I think the people that are having success are doing a hell of a lot more backlinking than the manual says to do. Probably a lot of black hat and spamming. MSN does seem to value the number of links and it doesn't seem to matter where the links come from.

      I tried to build a bunch of backlinks but white hat methods can not churn out the numbers of links that black hat methods can. If in fact MSN values the number of links and nothing else I suppose the loophole could work if you're willing to send out a shit load of spam for backlinks.
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    I'll throw in my 2 cents.

    I set up a small blog network almost immediately after the ebook was released. There is somewhere around 10 blogs in the network with 6 money sites attached. I used my own scripts instead of the upsell that was offered.

    4 of the sites are ranking in the top 5 of MSN, the other 2 are not on the main page. The 4 websites have been consistently getting me subscribers for one of my target niches (not IM) and I have been converting about 50% of the subscribers to a CPA ad on the thank you page.

    One of the pages is ranking on page 2 of Google and getting traffic. Unfortunatly, it will rank on page 2 for a few days, disappear and then reappear again. If I had just done a little bit of "regular" SEO for that website I could have ranked at the top for that keyword on Google and grabbed a lot more traffic than all of my money pages combined. (MSN traffic only)

    It was worth it to set up the network but I have bigger fish to fry.

    Tim
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    TimS: What was the time scale if you don't mind?
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      Originally Posted by mistermint View Post

      TimS: What was the time scale if you don't mind?
      Without digging through the stats, I would estimate that it took about 6 weeks before I started to get good rankings in MSN. At first I was convinced that it wasn't going to work because it was taking forever for MSN to visit and then list the pages in the SERPS. Once it happened, it happened fast.

      I don't think about it very often to be honest. It is just something that works in the background and it works fairly well for the limited amount of websites that I have tied into it.

      Tim
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    Thanks TimS.

    Logic tells me to stay with it for a while, it is a lot of work to set up and maintain so, won't write it off just yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author asupport
    I purchase it quite a while ago, but never got into action for several reasons: building a blog network. I ttakes a lot of time and money and you ar enot sure if it still works. Blog network are in my eyes a little 2005.. not sure if it is still worth the time.
    Buying an additional pice of software...
    I wonder if it actually worked for anyone?
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