Hostgator FAIL!

11 years ago

+1 on the fail.

I tried as soon as the deal started but everytime it went through to the ordering process, my connection "timmed out".

By the 5th refresh and retry the "Special Deal" was but a fleeting memory... which left me wondering if it wasn't all just a dream...

Rather dissapointed indeed.

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Anoopchawla

11 years ago

I reached a point when it showed 80% off but when I clicked the link it went back to 50%.

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ramkarthik

11 years ago

Looks like some people have got it. One of the warriors have got it as far as I know and also my friend in twitter told me that he got it. It's just a marketing tactic I guess. They would have probably had 100 accounts and not more than that. Great ROI for them.

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Remarques 11 years ago

I think it was all a scam. I too was in at 80% and then failed. By the time it let me in it was not even at 50%. Just a 20% off first month. I think I will definitely be looking for elsewhere. Kinda of a rude first try at setting up my first websites.
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- eleary 11 years ago
  
  I was on about 6 minutes after 80% started and it said 50% already! I was very disappointed too. I was glad to read above that some people (well at least one person heard of someone who...) got the 80%.
  But that is pretty much why most of us sane Americans don't shop on Black Friday!! But I am still waiting for Cyber Monday deals!!
  I read that it's your first time setting up your account. I hope you don't start off with a bad impression of Hostgator.
  They have incredible customer service. If you are new to webhosting, you will be super impressed with the online chat. They are very knowledgeable and have a ton of patience for newbies.
  
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paulie888

11 years ago

I'm sure the supply of these special 80% off accounts was very limited. This is the way Black Friday works here in America, during these sales at physical stores they might have a $150 laptop or $250 flat screen tv advertised, but your chances of getting one are very low because they typically only have 5 or less available at each store!

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ramkarthik

11 years ago

Originally Posted by paulie888

I'm sure the supply of these special 80% off accounts was very limited. This is the way Black Friday works here in America, during these sales at physical stores they might have a $150 laptop or $250 flat screen tv advertised, but your chances of getting one are very limited because they typically only have 5 or less available at each store!

Paul

Yes but I never thought it'd be taken in 10 mins. And out of those 10 mins, the page was down for most of the time.

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paulie888 11 years ago

Originally Posted by ramkarthik

Yes but I never thought it'd be taken in 10 mins. And out of those 10 mins, the page was down for most of the time.

Well, this is how it works. If you queued up here at a physical store to get an advertised Black Friday special, everything is usually gone within 5 minutes.

The reason why the page was down is because everyone was trying to load it at the same time, affiliates have been promoting this on a massive scale and this is what you typically see on a very big IM product launch as well - the servers simply cannot handle a million hits within a few seconds, which is probably what happened.

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faceblogger

11 years ago

It is a trick!!!! Attracting customers for a 80% discount and limiting that offer to a very few. So the disappointed customers will at least buy for a a 50% discount.

Just clear the cash, cookies of your browser and get the fresh HotGator page without any affiliate IDs stored in your session cookies or cache then it may work sometimes!!!! - worked for my friend but did not work for me :-(

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theimdude

11 years ago

Originally Posted by faceblogger

It is a trick!!!! Attracting customers for a 80% discount and limiting that offer to a very few. So the disappointed customers will at least buy for a a 50% discount.

Just clear the cash, cookies of your browser and get the fresh HotGator page without any affiliate IDs stored in your session cookies or cache then it may work sometimes!!!! - worked for my friend but did not work for me :-(

Why dump the affiliate ID?

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faceblogger 11 years ago

Originally Posted by theimdude

Why dump the affiliate ID?

With friends like you ..........................

bcoz this offer is valid via hg affiliates too (I saw that many affiliates promote this offer via their referral codes too) and there is a possibility that they may not give this 80% offer for the people who directed via an aff referral. Bcoz HG has to give the commission to the referrer too. It's just a guessing!

Now, the 80% discount is no more. They have limited that offer to a very few!!! may be a few hundreds of people would have got it.
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- Robert Boduch 11 years ago
  
  Sold out in 8 minutes.
  
  The rep I spoke with didn't know how many 80% off coupons were available in total.
  
  Sounds like the usual stampede at the big box stores in the cold snow and rain... only to be told your intended purchase has long been sold out.
  
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goldmedal

11 years ago

I went for the two year at 50%. probably what they wanted. I was going to get HG anyway, so it's a good deal. 80% would have been better.

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faceblogger

11 years ago

I saw the 80% discount page but when I tried to continue for registration the hostgator payment site had gone down!!!! LOL! when it started working, the offer had turned back to 50%

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theemperor

11 years ago

Oh God! What a shocker!!

</sarcasm>

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Lloyd Buchinski

11 years ago

Actually I need one of their offers but had a bad feeling about this. I know a good host who put up a sale designed to pull in big bucks for long term orders. It has been going downhill ever since.

And a second problem, HG affiliate cookies don't seem be set today. I tried to get through to chat to make sure my favorite aff (mom

) would get the credit. Of course it's down like everything else, so here's the situation.

The affiliate info says that the aff gets a 60 day cookie. But when I check my HG cookies, none of them are even close to 60 days.

I have 6 HG cookies right now. The expiry is
today
end of session
2012
Aug 26, 2011
May 26, 2011
2016

For anyone else who wants to check in FF, click on tools > options > remove individual cookies. You will now have a list of cookie folders.

Scroll down to hostgator.com and open that folder. Click on any cookie to hilite it and you will have the cookie info at the bottom of that little window pane. The cookie expiry dates are just about the only parts in plain English.

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fullmatrix

11 years ago

Looks like they have successful black friday promotion that make their site affected and seem to be down sometimes, I'm sorry for the disappointed though.

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swtsubmit

11 years ago

Same thing here, did anyone bought with 80% discount? I'll give him rep!

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mmixon

11 years ago

Offering 80% off to get you in the store, but then selling you 50% off is what they used to call bait and switch in the brick & mortar days. When I finally gave up on the website and called in, my rep said the 80% off deals sold out in 7 minutes.

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Luis Medilo 11 years ago

I knew that this would happen. It's impossible for Hostgator to give such a huge discount to a large number of people, or else they would lose money. Probably a few hundreds or maybe thousands got lucky and got the 80% discount.

I availed of a similar discount with another web hosting company (not really famous) with a 90% discount. I waited for the exact hour and then had to endure numerous website errors and failures. But I was lucky to get the 90% discount.
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DarkMatter 11 years ago

I had the order in the cart with 80% off and it failed when I went through to PayPal.

Somebody mentioned bait and switch, and it's as close as your going to get to that and still stay legal.

Given where it failed on my order (I have a screen shot) and the fact they are willing to do nothing about it, they will NEVER see my business.

I had a online chat and a phone call after the fact telling them of my screen shot, where it failed in the order, the website performance and errors, and they couldn't care less other than offer the 50%. It's the point of the matter. They can stuff their 50%.

Hope everyone has a nice day!!! I'm going to bed.
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Coby

11 years ago

I had a few emails from my subscribers telling me the same thing, however they all seemed happy to still get in at 50% off and I was happy to take the commission

The day is still young too, so hopefully more commissions to come... Black Friday is great

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SGdarling

11 years ago

Perhaps their servers were too busy and couldn't handle a lot of traffic, that's why most you of your guys were not able to proceed with the order. Anyway 50% off is also a good deal for those who didn't succeed to get 80% off.

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kakaboo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by SGdarling

Perhaps their servers were too busy and couldn't handle a lot of traffic, that's why most you of your guys were not able to proceed with the order. Anyway 50% off is also a good deal for those who didn't succeed to get 80% off.

Cause the point here is not about the 50%... 50% isn't really that great if you think about it as almost every other host is giving 50% too today(Bluehost is one and it's as reputable as Hostgator)...

If people could access the order page but couldn't get it because it was sold out, I don't think they would be that mad.. but the thing here is they couldn't even access the site at all

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FreeSoul

11 years ago

I managed to sign-up but didn't pay anything, I was going to buy a full year but the discount only applied to the first month and the domain was $5 more expensive!! They lost, I am going with BlueHost instead.

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AprilCT 11 years ago

I was there when it was 80% off and couldn't get it either...constant time out, and site wasn't working.

I feel ripped off and hope to find hosting somewhere else.

Worse yet, I stayed up all night to get in right at the exact time, and I am not a happy camper.
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- Irish Intuition 11 years ago
  
  The thing that chaps my balls is I sent my list to 'the deal'
  
  Now I look like an a-hole.... even though 50% off is good
  
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thatroperdude 11 years ago

twitpic/ 3abmrj (I don't have enough posts to put in full links)

Hah, this was their tweet to me. I was ready to buy 3 years of hosting (was waiting on the page to type in payment information which was already stored in 1password).

I've got a bit of a war started on Twitter. But I don't feel that bad about it really. The quantity should have been listed in the promotion. No need to stay up all night for 100 spots. They know better.

Sad thing is, I was ready to buy the 50% hosting hours earlier until I found out about the 80% deal.
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Tim Franklin

11 years ago

I was going to buy another hosting account today on the black Friday deal, but found out that it only applies to "new" customers, really, wow, I was surprised at the slap down.

Sort of reminds me of those series of commercials where they show two kids and they show one kid sitting in a sand box playing while another kid shows up and they ask do you want some ice cream, of course the new kid says, sure, and the guy hands the kid an ice creme cone, while the other kid says, hey why don't I get any ice creme, and the guy says, because he is a new customer.

Sort of reminded me of that kid without the ice cream on this deal, so I am taking my business to another hosting company, anyone know of a good hosting deal out there, host gator just lost me as a customer.

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Banned 11 years ago

wait, then try again!

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MarketingVet09

11 years ago

i woke up at 4:45 and fell back asleep within 5 minutes... oh well, lol. will get 50% off for year

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Sachine

11 years ago

I think they never had the intention of giving 80% off.. I have been waiting for the 80% from 5 AM CST but have never seen that..

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kakaboo 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sachine

I think they never had the intention of giving 80% off.. I have been waiting for the 80% from 5 AM CST but have never seen that..

It was online for a few minutes, but the order page couldnt be accessed
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Tim Franklin

11 years ago

I talked with a host gator agent this morning, and they told me that none of the discount apply if you are already a customer, so no 50 percent off, no nothing, made me think gee perhaps I am not with the right hosting company if they think that little about my business.

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MarketingVet09

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tim Franklin

I talked with a host gator agent this morning, and they told me that none of the discount apply if you are already a customer, so no 50 percent off, no nothing, made me think gee perhaps I am not with the right hosting company if they think that little about my business.

you can sign up for a new account under a new email address and just move your existing site over...

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Tim Franklin 11 years ago

Originally Posted by woah316

you can sign up for a new account under a new email address and just move your existing site over...

No tried that, I called into the sales line and they said only new customers, if you pay and they find out your an old customer they will cancel the order.

So I am looking for an alternative to host gator,
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Jesus Perez

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tim Franklin

I talked with a host gator agent this morning, and they told me that none of the discount apply if you are already a customer, so no 50 percent off, no nothing, made me think gee perhaps I am not with the right hosting company if they think that little about my business.

Did they think you were trying to apply the discount to your existing hosting package? If so, that's not allowed. However, purchasing a new account with a new email has been confirmed ok prior comments by in another WF thread.

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Sonja

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tim Franklin

I talked with a host gator agent this morning, and they told me that none of the discount apply if you are already a customer, so no 50 percent off, no nothing, made me think gee perhaps I am not with the right hosting company if they think that little about my business.

I'm totally in agreement with you. I signed up for the 2 year reseller account and bought a domain. I get the standard thank you email with login info from HG. Cool right? Nada. I get another email within a few hours that says that they need to verify my billing information, so I call them. They tell me that I am not eligible for a 2 year 50% off special because I am an existing customer. But they would be happy to give me 20%.

I said so wait a minute. You're telling me, an existing customer for over 4 years, that I cannot buy an additional account with the 50% off deal? How stupid is that? The sales manager, Mario, said that they would lose any profit margin if they allowed existing customers to take advantage of the offer. I told them that they can shove it up their you know what and to cancel my order. Oh and don't forget the affiliate who lost a lucrative sale as well. Nobody wins on this one.

I don't understand how they could not make out if I have two paying accounts. I could understand if I canceled one account and then only used the 50% off account, but I was keeping both accounts. So I will never get anything else with them.

And if I didn't already have a gazillion domains hosted with them I would treat them just like they treat all the existing customers. For the most part I really had no problem with HG, but geez do they really think that would sit well with all of their customers? It's just not the right thing to do if you want to promote customer loyalty and value.

My motto is this, If you don't value my business then I don't value your business.

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thatroperdude

11 years ago

It gets better:

Their chat.. in EST.

https: // skitch.com /thatroperdude/rny63/gatorchat

Sorry I have to add spaces, I still don't have enough posts to put in normal links.

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Tim Franklin

11 years ago

This is exactly how you feel with hostgator,

YouTube - Ally Bank "Ice Cream"

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DogScout

11 years ago

They could not answer 2 VERY simple pre-sales questions. I felt like I was talking to GoDaddy's retarded (intellectually challenged?) brother. Even 80% (or 99%) off is not worth the hassle they would have been to deal with. Not sure they understand 'customer service' as a concept. Lol. Cheaper hosts with better support out there.

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WhamSoft

11 years ago

I'd say it's a HostGator WIN

They whipped up a storm of chatter over the past few days and many people took action to get in on these discounted prices and sure most people didn't get the 80% off deal but I wonder how many people converted on their 50% offer.

It's a clever marketing lure, it's works and a lot can be learnt from these tactics.

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invitetheweb

11 years ago

Originally Posted by WhamSoft

I'd say it's a HostGator WIN

They whipped up a storm of chatter over the past few days and many people took action to get in on these discounted prices and sure most people didn't get the 80% off deal but I wonder how many people converted on their 50% offer.

It's a clever marketing lure, it's works and a lot can be learnt from these tactics.

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It's called bait and switch. Learned this wayyyyyy back in 9th grade. Nothing new =)

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tommy_boy

11 years ago

Talked to their live support and the %50 is only for the first month!, guess it's back to 1and1

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thatroperdude 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tommy_boy

Talked to their live support and the %50 is only for the first month!, guess it's back to 1and1

It depends if you pay monthly or all at once, and it depends on if you're trying to use another coupon code. I was going to do all at once for 3 years and the deal showed as good.
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phpnetpro

11 years ago

Yea, I missed the 80% off myself as well.

Even 50% isn't a bad deal. True, it is only for a month if you sign up for the monthly plan but you can pay 3 years up front for that same monthly price.

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zk5182

11 years ago

Their servers were not geared to handle the load...that's teh power of the BLACK FRIDAY DEAL for you...you can still get it at 50 % which is not bad

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kakaboo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by zk5182

Their servers were not geared to handle the load...that's teh power of the BLACK FRIDAY DEAL for you...you can still get it at 50 % which is not bad

I don't believe that one minute at all...because the MOMENT they reverted back to 50%(which was less than 10-15mins after 5AM CST), everything worked perfectly fine.. and I bet there would have been the same amount of people (if not more) scrambling to try to access the site and get the 80% off even after that 10-15minutes...

Doesnt make any sense to me that the server was down 90% of the time for most people when the 80% off deal was up and everything back to normal once it dropped back to 50% within seconds

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Jesus Perez

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kakaboo

I don't believe that one minute at all...because the MOMENT they reverted back to 50%(which was less than 10-15mins after 5AM CST), everything worked perfectly fine.. and I bet there would have been the same amount of people (if not more) scrambling to try to access the site and get the 80% off even after that 10-15minutes...

Doesnt make any sense to me that the server was down 90% of the time for most people when the 80% off deal was up and everything back to normal once it dropped back to 50% within seconds

Everyone stopped refreshing when they saw 50% off. That's why the page stayed alive. Hostgator had limited accounts...they got snatched up within minutes. I've seen this happen year-after-year on Dell.com, BestBuy.com and Amazon.com.

As a matter of fact, it's happening right now at Amazon.com. Watch in real time as the best deals disappear before your very eyes.

Black Friday Deals at Amazon.com

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Steven Wagenheim 11 years ago

Hostgator had a sale?

:confused::confused::confused:

Oh well...back to work.

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Daniel R 11 years ago

50% is nice a discoung, I paid for a full year so it`s a pretty good deal anyway.
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- MarketingVet09 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Daniel R
  
  50% is nice a discoung, I paid for a full year so it`s a pretty good deal anyway.
  
  yea it really is. I knew 80% sounded too good to be true. So I'll save a bunch of money and wont have to pay monthly, win win for me.
  
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  gman2319 11 years ago
  
  Clearly, Hostgator hasnt done anything illegal here. If I have implied them being on the wrong side of the law, I apologize for that.
  Here is what Hostgator has done though:-
  
  Any loyal customer of hostgator is not even allowed to participate in an offer like this where the benefits are not minor but pretty hefty.
  
  Loyal customers are not even allowed to participate in this offer as new customers, in the sense they are not allowed to purchase second accounts etc, even with a stipulated condition that they cant transfer out the domains in their old accounts nor can they cancel their old accounts.
  
  It is pretty clear that hostgator intended to raise the hype-meter on this deal and get in people from all other hosts.
  
  What about the old clients? Hostgator is not naive, not by a long shot, they must have factored in the fact that existing customers will get ticked off.
  
  But such clients are already invested in their services in more ways than one, having been a client of a web host company for more than a year usually means that you have a lot of sites on the hosting.
  
  Too much hassle to shift them all away, Hostgator knows this well and basically calculated that this campaign wont tick off their existing customers enough to send them away.
  
  Basically they are holding you hostage to your existing accounts and partially to the fact that they provide good service(but there are many companies that do provide good service these days..so they are not alone in that)
  Bottom line to me:- Hostgator does not reward customer loyalty, infact they take advantage of the fact that "customers become inextricably associated with the account" to offer better deals to gain new customers. This whole business idealogy is like a slap in the face to me.
  
  P.S. To everyone advocating that it is not in the best interest of hostgator to allow disocunts to existing customers. Yes, I agree. But as a consumer, it is not my place to calculate their losses or profits. People say they didnt have a choice, well..they did. They didnt have to offer 50% and 80% off to brand new customers while doing nothing for the old ones.
  As a consumer, I see them rewarding new clients at rates far more exorbitant than my current deal(for the next 3 years!).
  
  The sad thing is, such a marketing campaign will probably be profitable to them because most of us are held hostage by the number of domains that we have tied up to their hosting and the consequent hassle of shifting things out. I may or may not move out of hostgator for now, but I will surely not consider them or recommend them in the future if and when I expand my business.
  
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djemerald 11 years ago

Hostgator seems to have a very active marketing team , maybe they got carried away this time. LOL
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djemerald 11 years ago

Oh my, its that limited quantity thing that a lot of marketers are using . Its been that way forever. Must have been a big rush though. Even so Hostgator offers so many benefits, I will stay with them.
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Caleb Spilchen

11 years ago

The support let me know it was gone in minutes,
they limited the numbers. who wouldn't?

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Caleb Spilchen

11 years ago

Look here in Canada, we don't have Black Friday even,
but yet how did I end up buying a new computer, and
other stuff when I woke up this morning

Edit: the selection is so tiny.. tigerdirect canada has something.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

Look here in Canada, we don't have Black Friday even,
but yet how did I end up buying a new computer, and
other stuff when I woke up this morning

Edit: the selection is so tiny.. tigerdirect canada has something.
Caleb

Actually, Caleb, Canada just had their first "BLACK FRIDAY!" this year!

As a matter of fact, since the Canadian Dollar is at par with the US$, the Canadian marketplace will become a Black Friday Market Staple -- like it did this year and in the years to come -- just like the US.

Here are news articles to back-up my statement:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/26112010/...fer-deals.html

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

ALSO CHECK OUT:

http://www.blackfriday.ca/

Happy Belated Black Friday and Thanksgiving to All!

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Lothar Evers 11 years ago

The news are comong late:
but just got the following message from Host Gator:

Current clients can ADD a second account at the discounted rate, however they will need to go ahead and keep both accounts active the entire term. Thanks again!
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Alfred Shelver

11 years ago

Do you not think that 50% off would have also generated a whole bunch of buzz.... and not pissed off so many?

I just wonder if it was worth the negativity to have such small limited 80% off numbers?

Your thoughts

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver

Do you not think that 50% off would have also generated a whole bunch of buzz.... and not pissed off so many?

I just wonder if it was worth the negativity to have such small limited 80% off numbers?

Your thoughts

Cathy...

I've been wondering the same thing since hearing from some friends this morning.

I understand the short term availability of stock during the whole "Black Friday" thing. Here in Canada we have the same thing on Boxing Day - the day after Christmas.

But I wonder about people's perception of Hostgator and their overall results with this strategy.

Sure, 50% off is a pretty good deal I would think. But not letting existing customers in on the deal clearly rubbed some folks the wrong way.

And the whole 80% off thing was clearly a lure that probably left a lot of people disappointed. Here's the part from their email that sent the wrong message in my view...

"80% OFF is limited to between 5 A.M. and 9 A.M., CST"

What's the implication here? I doubt it would be that this offer would only last for 8 short minutes and that many who tried couldn't get in. Surely Hostgator must have had their fingers on the pulse of the market to avoid setting up such a false expectation.

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Lothar Evers

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver

Do you not think that 50% off would have also generated a whole bunch of buzz.... and not pissed off so many?
I just wonder if it was worth the negativity to have such small limited 80% off numbers?
Your thoughts

I agree! Promoted it as an affiliate and tried to get a new reseller myself. Gave up after 20 minutes.
The best idea would have been in my opinion:
promote 50% and throw in 100 (or) 5% places reduced to 80% afterward.

Plus do something nice to your existing customers too.

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alcarrerra

11 years ago

The 80% promo never worked for me, kept getting error page.

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Remarques 11 years ago

Sorry to say this is another example of an attitude prevalent in business today. It seems there are business people that say "we made a ton of money and pissed a few people off but...We made a ton of money so lets move on." Then there are others that are apologists for that behavior that say hey its business done today so get over it and move on.
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DogScout

11 years ago

Another thing, don't like hosts without quad servers for each site. Some hosts put every site on 4 servers. 2 on, 2 off. Load balance the 2 on, back-up and switch every 12 or 24 hours.

You never go down, if both on-line servers are hacked, a switch reinstates the last version with-in the past 24 hours of your site that is on the current back-up servers. Hacked servers are re-formatted and re-loaded with the sites on-line... takes under 30 minutes and everything is backed up again with out a limit on file numbers or size.

I know Hostclear and Powweb do that, few others do. Hostclear has c-panel, Powweb uses their own control panel so is a learning curve, but they always are using the latest servers.

Sooo many hosts... Soo many options... just need to decide what is important to you. After the debacale with HostGator, and I don't mean the 80%, I mean the fact that customer service couldn't even answer 2 very simple questions, I wonder how they got such a good rep? Maybe I just got the wrong CSR. Happens.

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Kay King

11 years ago

It's not surprising when people outside the US don't understand the way "black friday" sales work - but if you are complaining about "bait and switch" you need to get real.

Black Friday is a day when - FOR A FEW HOURS (sorry, hit the wrong button) - stores offer huge discounts for a few hours on a limited quantities.

The HG sale was over promoted with little mention of the restriction to new accounts - and some even suggested they might cancel their account and resign up under the sale. You only get to be a virgin once, folks.

Question is - will you remember this next year when HG has their annual sale?

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11 years ago

50% is not bad... otherwise, it still cheap for me.. for who want to get it, go ahead there are 15 hours before the offer is over...

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11 years ago

Can you think of 10 better ways to spend the 10 minutes you lost?

1. visit the hunger site and feed someone (it won't cost you 10 cents or 10 minutes)
2. with the family (give back 10 minutes)
3. selling (10 minutes to earn $10.. can it be done?)
4. read a book to your children (only 10 minutes, so make it a short story)
5. deliver a turkey to a food shelter (guaranteed it will be gone in 10 minutes)
6. send an email with 10 PayPal dollars to the person in this thread that spelled HostGator.. HotGator (only if it made you register the domain name)
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9. add 10 minutes to your next call with your mom (tell her HostGator made you do it)
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Olgi

11 years ago

This would definitely be considered Devilish Marketing strategy. However I don't know why I'm not surprised from Hostgator doing this

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Dave Lianelli

11 years ago

I got in at the 80% discount, only to learn that they made the decision not to offer this deal to persons that already have an account.

They sent me a nice email asking to pay the remaining $230...

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Jesus Perez

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Lianelli

I got in at the 80% discount, only to learn that they made the decision not to offer this deal to persons that already have an account.

They sent me a nice email asking to pay the remaining $230...

Wow...that makes it official. Existing customers cannot purchase at all. Thanks for posting this.

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R Hagel

11 years ago

Well, at least no one got trampled or killed since it was a virtual sale.

Happy Black Friday, all. Time to think about your next promotion and how you can whip up a buzz and a frenzy while keeping all customers and prospects happy. It appears... almost impossible.

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LilBlackDress

11 years ago

I really love Hostgator but I think they handled this wrong. Instead of giving just a few 80% they should have given a discount to everyone including existing customers. Instead they succeeded in getting some bad feelings from new customers who tried to get in but couldn't and negative feelings from existing customers.

I decided to focus on Hostgator affiliate sales since I couldn't get the deal and happily I had some to make up for the savings I could not get, but I had a few people email and tell me they tried to use my link and could not get through.

The whole thing should have been handled differently, but it wasn't so moving on....

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Owen Smith

11 years ago

I think the mark would have been in the 1000s for the 80% off customers, as soon as that finished, remember they work on a averages basis, e.g. they are hoping users use less than 5% capacity, otherwise a company like hostgator would not work! It does not actually have enough resources for what it offers!

Then when they are up, they knock it to 50%, as the other 30% which isnt lost will help pay for additional resources and to build their network to cope with the 80% off customers and any new customers.

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Kay King 11 years ago

only to learn that they made the decision not to offer this deal to persons that already have an account.

And that has been true EVERY year the sale is offered and was mentioned here on this forum several times and was mentioned by hostgator when advertising the sale.

Of course, it wasn't mentioned by some who were going for affiliate commissions....
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Jake Moore

11 years ago

Well I got the 50% off deal and am VERY glad I didn't rush to get up. Still I was thankful to get it, since I just decided on Wed that I needed to upgrade hosting and was going to pay full price.

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gman2319 11 years ago

I got the 80% deal and now they say. ... You cant have it cause you used teh same paypal id as your other account. I try telling them that I wont cancel the other account or transfer any of the domains in there, since that is a shared hosting and this is a reseller hosting that I will use for..uhm..reselling. They wont be losing a customer, just getting an existing customer to put more money in their pocket.

I am pretty sure I read in one of the threads where someone managed to get a confirmation on the fact that we can use the same paypal id as long as we didnt cancel or transfer from the other account.

Hostgator has clearly pissed me off with this whole shenanigan.

All you need to do is be completely upfront about all the terms of the deal . You say random stuff to different people and when the time comes, you fall back on the ambiguity of the terms and get to pick out the customers that are most profitable to you and cancel the others. I am seriously considering switching hosts.
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Kevin McNally

11 years ago

Classic Marketing tactic, but still a good deal if you can get the 50% Discount. They could have done a lot better explaining the terms and conditions to existing customers.

The 80% Deal was advertised as "Almost Sold Out" the very second it launched, I attempted to order various packages and the site crashed on every ocassion.

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Irish Intuition 11 years ago

As pissed off as everyone is, we're still alive.

This is not the worst thing to ever happen but we have a
propensity to bitch. We LOVE to bitch.

Black Friday will be forever known as 'the day hostgator f-cked us' :rolleyes:
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gman2319

11 years ago

And of the guys who did manage to get the 80% account a large chunk have been denied coz "technically" they are not new custmoers....even if they dont cancel or transfer domains from their old accounts.

This is totally ridiculous. Hostgator has lost a whole lot of sheen in my eyes..they probably dont care about a small player like me...but i would like to be heard.

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11 years ago

There's a whole lot of fail in this thread... just sayin'

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John Rogers

11 years ago

Sucks that the 80% off accounts went so quick, but 50% off is still a damn good deal.

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SniperSoftware

11 years ago

Purchased a vps at 50%.. i didn't even see anything about 80% .. and i didn't even know there was a sale so I just fluked out lol

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DarkMatter 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SniperSoftware

Purchased a vps at 50%.. i didn't even see anything about 80% .. and i didn't even know there was a sale so I just fluked out lol

Hi,

Just in case you didn't notice, it's only for the first month. While you may have known that, someone reading the post might rush to buy. There's comparable deals for a VPS on the first month from other good hosting companies.

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swtsubmit

11 years ago

I havent seen that anyone got 80% here, but doesnt matter. 50% is good enough, but I can understand them. Everything would be 80% off, even dedicated servers and more expensive packages. Can you image what loss they would have if they would allow 80% discount for 5h to thousands of people who were just waiting for it?
Would you provide your services to all those people with such huge discount? I dont think so, I wouldnt. It doesnt go better then this. Few people got lucky, thats it.
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drmani

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Deepak Media

The 80% off deal was live at the time they mentioned but I could never open the order page.

Now looks like it has sold out.

So... did you 'lose' 30% - or did you SAVE 50% ?

Pause to think about it, and you might do what I did...

Grab the 50% discount on a 2 year hosting account - and be happy about saving $300

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calfred

11 years ago

If the same paypal cannot be used, then you would have to use a different paypal account or credit card?

Simply use a different email then?

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IMAdam

11 years ago

I actually got in on this 80% deal a couple years ago, that was advertised by a member here on the WF. Ended up getting 3 years of hosting for 75 bucks, so it has been legit in the past, it's just they smartened up this year and did a much better job marketing it. I was going to get another 3 years, but I hit the site 10 minutes after the 80% promo started and saw it was only 50%. Went back to bed and continued where I left off on that great dream I was having earlier. No big loss for me, just for HG.

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11 years ago

Honestly, when I got the e-mail from HG, I deleted it because it was obvious what their game plan was; to create a Internet stampede!

HG, knew the stampede would ensue and they were right! Especially in light of the fact that they sent info of the 80% off sale totheir entire army of affiliates.

Everyone who knows knew this was going to be a classic "Bait" and "Switch" tactic, so have some eggnog, a turkey sandwich with mayo and get over it and move on.

Did you REALLY think you were going to 80% off?

ROTFLMAO...

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This is not the worst thing to ever happen but we have a propensity to bitch. We LOVE to bitch.

Black Friday will be forever known as 'the day hostgator f-cked us' :rolleyes:

Now that's some hularious stuff!

Infant Learns of Hostgator 80% Off Sale

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11 years ago

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scottsheen

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

Is this limitation a normal thing for Black Friday sales in the US?

Given that Hostgator have a global customer base, it's a bit shoddy that they do this limited 80% thing. There was no advance notice of this.

Still a bit peeved that people still get a whopping 50% discount and I'm not eligible but it's a bit easier to swallow.

I really hope for Hostgator that this was worth it for them. They've obviously annoyed many existing customers which I think is more damaging than annoying those who tried to get 80% and only got 50%.

I know many here are saying that those complaining about the 80/50 are bitching etc. but if this sort of thing happened in the UK there'd be uproar. A company cannot sell to international customers and assume they "know the score" with American customs.

I wouldn't say that this is an American custom. Just about every store running a Black Friday will limit the quantity of the items but they are also usually selling several dozens or even hundreds of items. I don't see what Hostgator did as being anywhere close to this. They advertised 80% off from 5AM - 9AM and then ran the sale for what some say was less than 6 minutes. Their customer service has said that they had no set amount to sell at that discount. And, no, I didn't expect them to run the discount for a solid 4 hours. Perhaps it should have been listed as "Starting at 5AM and ending when limits are reached". My guess is that they shut it down because their servers couldn't handle the traffic. And that's a real confidence builder, LOL.
It doesn't really matter to me, I am happy with my host and plan on getting a reseller account with them as well. I have no dog in this fight. It is an interesting marketing lesson, tho. Will Hostgator account holders seek new hosting or just vent and forget it?

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Daniel Brock

11 years ago

You guys have to realize that if HostGator gave 80% off to their current customer base, they would be losing millions of dollars per month.

You're asking them to give away 80% of their current revenue forever...

Why would anyone want to do that?

I think it's fair they limited the sale to only new customers. I have 3 hostgator accounts, and am not even remotely pissed off.

They gave the 80% discount, it sold out, and now they offer 50% off. Quite whining, and either switch hosts or move on.

I'm sure all the time you spent complaining about this could have made you 10x the money if you did some actual work stuff...

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

Or do you think Hostgator did a good job in this case?

Personally I think they did just fine. There's really no other way you can do it.

They gave the 80% discount - it sold out.

They still have the 50% discount running for new customers.

Think about what happens if they extend it to their entire customer base. 50% of everything they've done over the past 8 years will vanish overnight...

There's simply no other way to do it.

And looking at all the other service oriented businesses out there - how many times have you seen new customer specials? I see them all the time - cell phones, ISPs, mail services, etc. How is this any different?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

Wow, I am seriously shocked you think this Daniel. There is widespread outcry on many boards about this. You can have a massive discount promotion without this type of fallout. I think it will be a lesson learned for Hostgator. Poor planning and poor execution.

Without destroying their customer base, what other solution would you suggest?

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Lothar Evers 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

Without destroying their customer base, what other solution would you suggest?

Promoting 50 % general discount.
Then offering:
100 spots at 80%
or
1% at 80%
or whatever at 80%

with other words:
make an 80% lottery among the 50% customers and be clear about places or percentages.

For existing customers:
offer additonal account upgrades:
with 50% reduction.

Let them join the 80% lottery too.

Generally: it is not the best idea to focus on new customers only. It is much easier to keep an existing one and expand slowly instead of loosing business.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

You guys have to realize that if HostGator gave 80% off to their current customer base, they would be losing millions of dollars per month.

You're asking them to give away 80% of their current revenue forever...

Why would anyone want to do that?

Could you please explain how they are giving away 80% of their current revenue "forever". Of course a business wouldn't want to do that. I'm not sure anybody here said anything to the contrary. It's more on the way it was handled.

They gave the 80% discount, it sold out, and now they offer 50% off. Quite whining, and either switch hosts or move on.

Who can move on when individuals keep using comments to further aggravate those who for the most part are making valid complaints and comments.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by DarkMatter

Could you please explain how they are giving away 80% of their current revenue "forever". Of course a business wouldn't want to do that. I'm not sure anybody here said anything to the contrary. It's more on the way it was handled.

Who can move on when individuals keep using comments to further aggravate those who for the most part are making valid complaints and comments.

OK so...

Let's say they have 300,000 customers. All of which were once paying $10/m (Im keeping figures rounded to make it simple).

That's $3,000,000/m in revenue. Now let's say all those customers see the 50% discount and 'downgrade their account'. They just lost $1,500,000/m in revenue which can never be recovered again since all the current customer base is paying 50% of what they used to.

Now obviously not everyone will see that sale, so it wouldn't be 50%, but it'd do some serious damage - enough damage that they'd have to fire hundreds of their staff members, and most likely cause their business to crash and burn.

Not only money-wise, but the amount of tech support involved downgrading all the accounts.

I think what they did was fair & reasonable. It clearly says on their site it's for new customers only, so IMO, there is nothing here in this entire thread anyone should be complaining about.

They honored the 80% discount (sure they had some server problems, but that happens...), they have the 50% discount running still.

I say this as a customer of HostGator with 3 account I've been paying full price for a year now.

Me thinks you are just pissed because you didn't get your 80% off account in time. I mean that's what it comes down to right? It sold out. What can you do about it?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

OK so...

Let's say they have 300,000 customers. All of which were once paying $10/m (Im keeping figures rounded to make it simple).

That's $3,000,000/m in revenue. Now let's say all those customers see the 50% discount and 'downgrade their account'. They just lost $1,500,000/m in revenue which can never be recovered again since all the current customer base is paying 50% of what they used to.

Now obviously not everyone will see that sale, so it wouldn't be 50%, but it'd do some serious damage.

Not only money-wise, but the amount of tech support involved downgrading all the accounts.

I think what they did was fair & reasonable. It clearly says on their site it's for new customers only, so IMO, there is nothing here in this entire thread anyone should be complaining about.

They honored the 80% discount (sure they had some server problems, but that happens...), they have the 50% discount running still.

I say this as a customer of HostGator with 3 account I've been paying full price for a year now.

This isn't a justification for the 80% off forever statement but it is pieces of a hypothetical outcome. Now while I'm sure there's ways for all those customers to downgrade those accounts it's not likely at the magnitude you've described. It's also known and that you've stated its for new customers only. There's already been mention in the thread of Hostgator canceling the accounts of those who were considered not to be new customers so they are watching.

I have to say that this discussion is not applicable to my situation which I described in a previous post, but the "forever" 80% off had me wondering how that would be possible. It didn't get answered here but the point you did make in this post was a respected opinion on it's own.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by DarkMatter

This isn't a justification for the 80% off forever statement but it is pieces of a hypothetical outcome. Now while I'm sure there's ways for all those customers to downgrade those accounts it's not likely at the magnitude you've described. It's also known and that you've stated its for new customers only. There's already been mention in the thread of Hostgator canceling the accounts of those who were considered not to be new customers so they are watching.

I have to say that this discussion is not applicable to my situation which I described in a previous post, but the "forever" 80% off had me wondering how that would be possible. It didn't get answered here but the point you did make in this post was a respected opinion on it's own.

Thanks. I know I sound like a d**k here but I know how this web hosting stuff works, and I know what type of sales are feasible and not feasible for a web hosting business model.

What they are doing here is the only way to do it without crippling their business.

The only alternative would be to say NEW ACCOUNTS (not customers) ONLY.

The problem with that is most people will buy the 2nd account with intentions of moving their stuff over and canceling the older plan (I've tested this and that's basically what happened).

You end up in the same situation as describe above, but even worse because now you have twice the amount of servers to handle the 'new accounts' making half the amount of money.

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jimche

11 years ago

I woulnd't complain, 50% off is a good deal. Too bad i'm an existing customer.

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Gail_Curran 11 years ago

I think Hostgator handled the whole thing badly.

But it's WEB HOSTING. Web hosting is dirt cheap at full price, so I don't understand why anyone cares enough to be upset.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by jimche

I woulnd't complain, 50% off is a good deal. Too bad i'm an existing customer.

I agree with you that it's a good deal.

One of the main reasons I'm so hot on this is that they failed to do the right thing by honoring the sale I had ready to go, the only thing left to do was pay, but it failed when I went to go to paypal. I've got a screen shot to prove it.

One of their chat reps tried to have me understand their position by relating it to a door crasher sale at a dept. store. That statement was fine if it was true in regards to the way they handled the 80% off sale.

If I use their analogy about the dept. store door crasher sale, I had the product in my hands so to speak. The pricing was on the item I only had to pay. What reputable business would refuse the sale at that point? It's not as if I could have changed the sticker.

They of course can't give an unlimited supply of those types of discounts but they can certainly honor the ones they did give out.

Oh well, I'm done with this barring anymore off the cuff, holier than thou comments from some individuals of which there's only a couple.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by DarkMatter

One of their chat reps tried to have me understand their position by relating it to a door crasher sale at a dept. store. That statement was fine if it was true in regards to the way they handled the 80% off sale.

If I use their analogy about the dept. store door crasher sale, I had the product in my hands so to speak. The pricing was on the item I only had to pay. What reputable business would refuse the sale at that point? It's not as if I could have changed the sticker.

They of course can't give an unlimited supply of those types of discounts but they can certainly honor the ones they did give out.

Oh well, I'm done with this barring anymore off the cuff, holier than thou comments from some individuals of which there's only a couple.

You never made it to the cashier before the supply ran out...

Don't they give out tickets at the department stores during BF sales? You simply didn't cash in your ticket in time.

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DarkMatter

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

You never made it to the cashier before the supply ran out...

Don't they give out tickets at the department stores during BF sales? You simply didn't cash in your ticket in time.

What? Like the post I just replied to, are you actually reading before commenting or are you out to further stir the pot?

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tpw

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

Is this limitation a normal thing for Black Friday sales in the US?

Black Friday is an American institution in retail selling, and limiting the amount of product is standard for Black Friday promotions.

It is an American thing, because it is the day after Thanksgiving -- an American holiday.

The structure of Black Friday promotions is that deep, deep discounts are available for up to 4 hours OR while supplies last.

I have participated in Black Friday shopping events where we went to the store at 1am, 4 hours before the store opened to get our place in line, and as soon as the store opens the doors, it is an absolute mad-house.

If you don't get that laptop within the first 3-5 minutes, you will probably lose out.

That is how we got 2 or our last 3 laptops -- Black Friday at Staples.

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calfred

11 years ago

For those of you who are thinking of opening another account or another credit card...

(02:21:25 PM) Timothy Po: has entered the chat.
(02:21:31 PM) Timothy Po: Hello, welcome to HostGator Live Chat.
(02:21:32 PM) Timothy Po: I will be glad to assist you.
(02:21:47 PM) Timothy Po: I am sorry but unfortunately it is only available for new customers.
(02:21:53 PM) calfred: Erm...
(02:22:10 PM) calfred: But many others got it and extended their hosting accounts this way.
(02:23:13 PM) Timothy Po: Who is telling you this? Our sales team is verifying every account and once they are all verified anyone who abused the coupon will be rejected and the account will be deactivated.
(02:23:53 PM) calfred: Well... all over the forums.
(02:24:00 PM) calfred: On the Internet are doing it.
(02:24:30 PM) Timothy Po: They will get shut off.
(02:24:54 PM) Timothy Po: In a day or so they will be caught after we finish going through all of the orders.
(02:25:12 PM) calfred: Even if they use a different email and different credit cards / paypal accounts?
(02:25:30 PM) calfred: How do you differentiate a new member in this case?
(02:25:30 PM) Timothy Po: Yes, that is correct. We have other ways more effective of catching this.
(02:26:03 PM) Timothy Po: I am sorry, but this chat has drifted off the topic of web hosting related assistance. If you don't have any further questions related to web hosting, I will have to end this chat.
(02:26:28 PM) calfred: Uh huh.
(02:26:31 PM) calfred: I understand.
(02:26:52 PM) calfred: So I have to pay the full amount even if I want to extend...
Existing customers don't get discount... hm
(02:27:08 PM) Timothy Po: That is correct.
(02:27:51 PM) calfred: Many people must have asked you this question today huh?
(02:28:26 PM) Timothy Po: Actually nobody has asked me this questions.
(02:28:31 PM) Timothy Po: question*
(02:28:53 PM) calfred: Lol, ok. I read many kinds of responses on major IM forums.
(02:29:01 PM) calfred: I just wanted to confirm with you.
(02:29:32 PM) calfred: Cause some of them got rejected in their email and their discount was not eligible
(02:30:44 PM) Timothy Po: We have many ways of catching them. All accounts are human verified within 1-2 days.
(02:31:10 PM) calfred: I guess you guys use IP identification.
(02:31:56 PM) calfred: Anyway, how long can a Hatchling plan last for in the 50% discount? 3 years?
(02:32:41 PM) Timothy Po: We use a lot more than ip identification. And yes 3 years is the max.
(02:33:04 PM) calfred: Ok. I don't know anything about hacking though.
(02:33:16 PM) calfred: I initially thought I could upgrade to reseller.
(02:33:24 PM) calfred: And sell hosting to another client.
(02:33:49 PM) calfred: But, in this case... that particular client would have to register by themselves then.
(02:34:35 PM) calfred: You see, this leads to a problem.
(02:34:55 PM) Timothy Po: I am confused of what you are asking. You can use the 50% off on any service we offer.
(02:34:59 PM) calfred: What if web design companies who have new multiple clients.
(02:35:28 PM) calfred: ..
(02:36:07 PM) calfred: who want to register for a new site and hosting... logically the web design company (who is an existing user at HG) has to set up hosting for new clients
(02:36:37 PM) Timothy Po: They have to be a reseller.
(02:36:58 PM) calfred: Oh yeah.
(02:37:37 PM) calfred: I have a client who wants to register for a Hatchling plan tomorrow.
(02:37:47 PM) calfred: So I'll just have to ask him to register himself?
(02:38:05 PM) calfred: Considering I can't help him because I'm only having shared hosting myself.
(02:39:18 PM) Timothy Po: That is correct.
(02:39:49 PM) calfred: Ok then.
(02:39:54 PM) calfred: Thanks for your help.
(02:40:54 PM) Timothy Po: Your welcome.
(02:40:54 PM) calfred: You have to understand I'm not a blackhatter.
(02:40:57 PM) calfred: or anything...
(02:40:59 PM) Timothy Po: If there is anything else that I can help you with please let me know as I would be happy to help.
(02:41:01 PM) calfred: Thanks again.

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Paul Myers

11 years ago

Who can move on when individuals keep using comments to further aggravate those who for the most part are making valid complaints and comments.

You think your complaints are valid. Some folks disagree. It happens.

Get over it. Or don't.

This thread is close to pointless. There was a sale, with limitations on time and quantity. Some people didn't get the deal, and they're unhappy. It happens. Trying to turn that into an ethical issue is ill-considered.

Comments on the technical failure are on point, certainly. But the rest... Not so much.

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DarkMatter 11 years ago

This thread is close to pointless. Paul

So is responding to this, but what the heck.

The thread has a topic and that is to discuss a situation that have upset a number of people including myself.

I'm glad you found it interesting enough to comment on.

I would think it's ill considered when one doesn't take ethics into account, but it's up to each individual how they want to live their lives.
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11 years ago

I would think it's ill considered when one doesn't take ethics into account, but it's up to each individual how they want to live their lives.

There is a rather large difference between "This isn't a matter of ethics" and "Ethics don't matter." I suggested the first, not the second.

Your attempt to twist what I said into something it clearly was not meant to suggest is not going to work with anyone who's paying attention. Nice try, though.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

There is a rather large difference between "This isn't a matter of ethics" and "Ethics don't matter." I suggested the first, not the second.

Your attempt to twist what I said into something it clearly was not meant to suggest is not going to work with anyone who's paying attention. Nice try, though.

It's not clear. Hence I made the statement.

If you feel having the discount and product in the cart with the coupon applied to only have the order fail, and for them not to honor is fine then that's your opinion. It makes it more understandable for myself why you would think that bringing ethics into it is ill considered.

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gman2319

11 years ago

I still feel existing customers who intended to buy a 2nd account(without transferring from or closing their old account) could be treated as new customers. In effect, they have held a discount offering with some rather unclear terms where they have said different things to different people in the run up to the sale. When it finally takes place, they fall back on these hazy rules to limit themselves to "brand new" customers, only the ones who hve migrated from other hosts.

Sigh! As an existing customer who is not taking away any old business but just putting more money into their pocket(I wanted to buy an additional reseller account in addition to my existing shared hosting acc), I find it wrong that we are not even allowed to buy the new stuff (even when we dont want to cancel or move out the old accounts)

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Bluewater

11 years ago

Three pages and no one has mentioned the irony that a hosting company could not manage it's own website adequately to cope with a traffic surge - a predicted surge at that.

I wonder if they sent themselves an email saying that the site was using too many resources and that they should upgrade to the next plan or be shut down?

Don't get me wrong Hostgator has it's uses as a budget host, but's that what it is - a budget host for throwaway sites. You'd be crazy to host anything important with them.

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11 years ago

Some further thoughts on this thread...

Deepak,

You may want to issue a public apology to Hostgator for suggesting the whole thing was a lie, since at least one Warrior got the 80% off deal.

That suggestion goes for every one of you who said it was a scam/lie/bait and switch. They said it would be 80% off for a limited time and quantity (with the clear implication of "whichever comes first") and then 50% off. They said "New customers only."

They did exactly what they said.

If affiliates didn't represent it correctly, that's a problem. Just not with Hostgator.

Something else to consider: If everyone who wanted 80% off had gotten it, there'd be people in here yelling that the quantity/time limitations were a scam.

As far as the "I had it in my shopping cart" thing... Anyone who's ever run a digital shopping cart knows that nothing matters until you hit the payment button. (People abandon shopping carts all the time.) Brick and mortar analogies don't apply in this circumstance.

Dark Matter,

It's not clear. Hence I made the statement.

I don't believe that. Not for an instant.

The fact is, they stated the offer and upheld the terms. There is no ethical issue here. You're trying to invent one in order to punish them because you didn't get what you wanted.

If you don't like their marketing approach, use another host. That's a perfectly acceptable and reasonable response. Accusing them of things they didn't do is not, and a number of people here have done just that.

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DarkMatter

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Dark Matter,I don't believe that. Not for an instant.

The fact is, they stated the offer and upheld the terms. There is no ethical issue here. You're trying to invent one in order to punish them because you didn't get what you wanted.

If you don't like their marketing approach, use another host. That's a perfectly acceptable and reasonable response. Accusing them of things they didn't do is not, and a number of people here have done just that.

Paul

Paul,

I can agree it's not uncommon for people to unjustly accuse a party or find fault with something to prove their point, but I really don't think that's the case here. I've seen some very valid and constructive comments, that appear you disagree with including my own, which is fine.

I can read and try and understand your position but in no way based on what I have read can I agree with them.

Edit: I read the last post from Paul, nothing has changed and I remain firm on my comments about his thoughts on bringing ethics into this as being ill considered.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Some further thoughts on this thread...

Deepak,

You may want to issue a public apology to Hostgator for suggesting the whole thing was a lie, since at least one Warrior got the 80% off deal.

That suggestion goes for every one of you who said it was a scam/lie/bait and switch. They said it would be 80% off for a limited time and quantity (with the clear implication of "whichever comes first") and then 50% off. They said "New customers only."

They did exactly what they said.

If affiliates didn't represent it correctly, that's a problem. Just not with Hostgator.

Something else to consider: If everyone who wanted 80% off had gotten it, there'd be people in here yelling that the quantity/time limitations were a scam.

As far as the "I had it in my shopping cart" thing... Anyone who's ever run a digital shopping cart knows that nothing matters until you hit the payment button. (People abandon shopping carts all the time.) Brick and mortar analogies don't apply in this circumstance.

Dark Matter,I don't believe that. Not for an instant.

The fact is, they stated the offer and upheld the terms. There is no ethical issue here. You're trying to invent one in order to punish them because you didn't get what you wanted.

If you don't like their marketing approach, use another host. That's a perfectly acceptable and reasonable response. Accusing them of things they didn't do is not, and a number of people here have done just that.

Paul

THANK YOU PAUL! That's exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it way better.

I think the major issue that is driving the anger/complaints here is that people didn't get what they wanted in time. I understand why someone would be pissed about that (just like if you waited in line at Walmart to get a 52 inch TV on sale but didn't get your hands on the item in time) because of the time invested but...

If a package is sold out, it's sold out. A company's reputation shouldn't be called into question because of that. Especially one that has been supported 100% by its customers every since the get-go.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

THANK YOU PAUL! That's exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it way better.

I think the major issue that is driving the anger/complaints here is that people didn't get what they wanted in time. I understand why someone would be pissed about that (just like if you waited in line at Walmart to get a 52 inch TV on sale but didn't get your hands on the item in time) because of the time invested but...

If a package is sold out, it's sold out. A company's reputation shouldn't be called into question because of that. Especially one that has been supported 100% by its customers every since the get-go.

Another interesting observation of note here is that I've noticed that the major complainers on this thread don't live in the US, and perhaps may not be aware of how Black Friday sales work over here. I wonder if their perceptions would change if they were aware of the stampeding and riotous nature of the crowds at brick and mortar stores on this day, all in the name of picking up a a few items in very limited supply.

Perhaps hostgator could have been clearer about the limited nature of the 80% off hosting, but there's no way they could have offered very many of these accounts without shooting themselves in the foot. One thing I feel they could have done is communicated the limited nature of the 80% off packages in a clearer and more defined manner, so that people would have understood the offer better. As it stands, I don't think they did a very good job of conveying this message to prospective customers.

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Paul Myers

11 years ago

Since DarkMatter considers this a thorny issue, let's look at his argument in small steps:

Hostgator said "limited time, while quantities last."

People put things in digital (and physical) shopping carts all the time, and then abandon their orders. The fact that something is in a cart means nothing.

DM believes they should have honored every cart that had been filled.

So, let's say they tracked how many carts were set to order at the 80% price, and locked the offer. A few people abandon their carts, and Hostgator has a choice: Re-open the thing or sell a smaller quantity than they'd planned.

The second option leads to even faster sell-out of the offer. Almost nothing in this conversation changes except (possibly) the amount of time it was available.

The first means someone who ordered after the deal was closed would get a lower price than an earlier order. Let that be seen, and you have a REAL storm of protest.

The only practical way to measure sales is on exactly that: Sales. And, in this case, the sale isn't made until the bill is paid.

I am constantly amazed at the number of people who scream "FRAUD!" over things like this, apparently without thinking the actual process through. It's not like this is complicated stuff, folks.

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Hyphen

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Deepak Media

Perhaps the 80% off thing is just a marketing gimmick to let affiliates talk about it.

Of course that's what it was. It lasted an entire 12 minutes, all of which I could not stop pages from timing out. I understand it's limited stock, but their estimation was "5-9AM CST or before we run out," which is giving us a bad estimation. Did they seriously think it'd take 4 hours to sell out? Haven't they done this before?

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DogScout

11 years ago

Didn't get in? lost nothing.

Read their company blog. Reads like 'a million reasons to not use HG'. Back-ups limited to small file numbers and sizes. No load balancing and worse. Operating in the stone ages (3-4 years ago, Lol). Don't understand why anyone would use them at any price after reading the company blog. Should have sold the company when he could. IMHO.

As to the 80% thing... business. Same off line as on. Car dealers have one car advertised at a loser and pick up the difference with the few extra cars they sell at a profit because the one car is sold or, what mostly happens is, no one wants it anyway after finding out all about it (no power windows, power steering, a/c, etc). HG is sort of like the car no one would want IF they knew all about it.

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SirThomas 11 years ago

Originally Posted by DogScout

HG is sort of like the car no one would want IF they knew all about it.

LOL! Mark, you made my day!

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bigg

11 years ago

In my perspective, whatever their marketing goals were for thanksgiving/black friday has executed well.

In consumer's perspective, i see it as an 'ouch'

Never been a fan of HG anyways.

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Tom B Banned 11 years ago

People complain when sellers don't do what they say like pulling the offer when limited copies sell.

Now people are complaining that a seller did do exactly what they said they would. They limited the accounts and now others scream they lied including bait and switch which is illegal (an accusation that could be get you into court if Hostgator wanted to sue).

Moral of this thread. People like to bitch.
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Pauline60

11 years ago

I missed out even though I tried to purchase on the dot of the 80% discount launch.

Whilst disappointed I was not annoyed that I had missed out on a limited offer. What annoyed me was that when I accessed the site the offer was still available but when I tried to actually purchase I got an error message so could not make a transaction.

If it had just been sold out that would be ok, but it was the fact that the offer was available but the site seemed to have locked us out which was annoying.

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11 years ago

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mojojuju 11 years ago

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davezan

11 years ago

Something to perhaps help:

HostGator Black Friday Sale Deceptive - Page 2 - Web Hosting Talk

Hi Everyone,

We are going to honor the 80% off for anyone who placed their order between 5am-9am. In order to take advantage of the difference please open a ticket by emailing sales@hostgator.com to request we refund the difference.

As you can imagine we are beyond swamped. According to alexa "hostgator" became the number one searched term on the internet beating out walmart, best buy, newegg, and even facebook. We had over 1,000 people in our billing system at a time trying to order. The amount of traffic we saw was 5x greater then an above average slashdot affect.

I knew the billing system would most likely fail to handle the amount of traffic, but what somewhat surprised me was that the hostgator website itself went down.

A few things to keep in mind......

In affiliate commissions alone we will be paying out over 2x the amount of total money collected.

On a whole it will be impossible for us to ever make a profit off anyone who placed an order at 50% let alone 80% off.

We do not have anywhere near 50% profit margin so when you take 50% off we are are losing money before even considering affiliate commissions.

Financially this offering made no sense in any shape or form. If we had offered this deal to existing customers it would have most likely put us out of business. I'm extremely sorry to all current customers who feel you were cheated.

So why did we do this deal?

The amount of exposure and brand awareness we gained from running this deal is priceless.

We are stealing thousands of customers from competitors who would have never of thought about switching to hostgator.

We are able to do something crazy every once in a while without putting ourselves out of business.

I'd love if you all could help me spread this posting to other forums and blogs that have similar discussions going.

Thanks!

Sincerely,

Brent Oxley

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some of you really feel, then I guess that's how you really feel.

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paulie888

11 years ago

Originally Posted by davezan

Something to perhaps help:

HostGator Black Friday Sale Deceptive - Page 2 - Web Hosting Talk

It's not that they're necessarily intending to deceive people. But if that's how
some of you really feel, then I guess that's how you really feel.

Meanwhile, time to move on.

I did not know that they issued this statement, I wonder if they're going to go out of their way to contact everyone who ordered within the 5-9 am timeframe to notify them of this development?

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theimdude

11 years ago

Originally Posted by paulie888

I did not know that they issued this statement, I wonder if they're going to go out of their way to contact everyone who ordered within the 5-9 am timeframe to notify them of this development?

Paul

Paul i think i have the solution to the problem.

Let us start a petition to cancel black friday. At least that way people have one less day to complain about.

What do you think?

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celente

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

Very interesting. WHT is the top web hosting forum on the net.

The fact Hostgator released this statement only confirms that they p1ssed a whole load of people off and not simply because it was a regular Black Friday limited offer that ran out. It was much more than that otherwise why are people so angry about this single Black Friday offer out of thousands and why would HG feel obliged to clear things up with this release?

All in all a good email.

Now I'm just waiting for one of their competitors to do the same so I can nab some reseller hosting at a decent price. Where are you guys?

dont blame you....it is just a marketing tactic. You can get angry all you want...but I think it is just better to learn from it and see if you can do the same thing for you business products.

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seobro

11 years ago

OK so we sign up. It was that host gator reseller option at 50% off, and man was that a hassle even. Yeah, as in me calling the 800 number to clear things up. Well, it is finally up and running. We get 500 gigs per month of transfer and 50 gigs of storage space. Hope they are buying new servers. It shows 11% full in mine. HOST GATOR is gonna get swamp.

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BrettQ

11 years ago

I can confirm they honored the 80% price and issued a refund for the difference.

It was a big mess for sure, but they seem to be doing their best to make it right, so that counts for something.

-Brett

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theimdude

11 years ago

HG thinks out of the BOX had a server crash for a few minutes and the coined it the rest of the day. I don't use HG as I am with wiredtree (they rock) but at least i got one sale as an affiliate and he also purchased 1 year hosting so i will get my commission so I made $50 WOW

guys and gals think .................

it is all about marketing

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dagaul101

11 years ago

Those Hostgator coupons especially in the over 50% range have a very limited shelf life

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DarkMatter

11 years ago

Hello,

I want to let you know that Hostgator has honored the 80% off.

After reflecting on yesterdays frustration I went back to have a chat with them about some hosting details as the 50% was a good deal (I stated that in a previous post) and before that chat ended I had to voice my thoughts (again) on how things transpired earlier that day to the representative. I was told to forward an e-mail to another dept. with the details. Hostgator responded this morning in a very professional manner and addressed my concerns some of which are in this thread. They then setup an account for the exact product I had wanted earlier in the day and responded again with another very professional and personal response indicating the accounts had been setup. I would like to say thanks to them.

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Tim Franklin

11 years ago

Sounds good, but just curious, is the sale not over by now?

seems like the old stand by customers, you know the ones that have been around for a while are just after thoughts, here in this entire thing, makes you feel like a red headed step child. LOL

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