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I failed twice, this is the last try.

by jessejaymes
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Hey everyone, my name is Jesse. Early in 2009, I began job hunting because I've been broke for a very, very long time. With little success and dead-end jobs just barely getting me by, I searched the internet in search of a money source. On my search I came across numerous "get rich quick schemes" and "make money from email spamming schemes" which didn't work out too well, and sucked the last bits of money out of my already broke pocket.

Eventually, I came across a website called Wealthy Affiliates, skimmed through all the 1,000,000,00$ stories and was conviced.. which was also at that point, my last hope.

There was nothing to lose, I only had about 7$ in my bank account, and at the time the site sign up fee was only 1$ so, I took the plunge. I learned about IM with artical marketing, clickbank, and basics on affiliation.

I made articles (around 40 or so) and never made a dime from a single one

after a few months I gave up.




Fast forward to 2010 - Still barely getting by, I was gonna give it another shot. I was going to go all out. I had little cash it the bank but it was enough to pay for a website, hosting and a professional team to write me 500 articles for a price.

Not a dime was made. the website was taken down and I wasted about 300$ or more dollars.

I gave it all up around march 2010.



Now im back for 1 more round, forgot most of what I learned, and want to start fresh, I don't care if I make a few dollars, I just want it to work out.

I'm willing to put in the hard work, just need the proper guidance to set me on the right path.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    This probably isn't what you want to hear - but you shouldn't be relying on the Internet to pay your bills. It doesn't happen for most people and if you've tried something twice already without success I definitely wouldn't be throwing my last coppers in for round 3.

    It usually takes quite a while to build up an income over time - making money online is not a proper reality for most people and definitely not an easy alternative to having a job.

    It sounds like you need a regular job and get your bills paid before you spend any more money on trying to make money online.

    I know there are a lot of people selling you the magic button to make thousands of dollars in a matter of days in an "any newbie can do it" style - but it's just not true for most people so please don't pin all of your hopes on it and make sure you have an alternative way to pay your bills.

    For what it's worth - when I started out in IM 11 years ago I had around $100k of debt so your $5k is a position I would love to have been in, and in fairness IM did rid me of most of that debt, but only after I got work that meant I could keep my head above water while I did my IM.

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  • Profile picture of the author jessejaymes
    Andyhenry, I hold a regular job which doesn't pay much and not relying on this IM stuff, but I believe that there are alternatives on the side to make extra cash. Why would you discourage me from IM? If you can make some money from it, why shouldn't I? Sure I tried it twice, and made mistakes but I'm willing to try again and learn from my mistakes.

    I just want to do something that shows me result and I can build from...
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by jessejaymes View Post

      Why would you discourage me from IM?
      I wouldn't discourage you from IM - but I do think you've probably still under-estimated what you actually need to do in order to make any decent money.

      It 'looks' simple and easy, but in reality there's a LOT more work involved than most people think.

      For example - I have about 100 blogs with over 10,000 pages that make virtually zero revenue.

      Some people come here thinking that if they make 2 blogs with 25 articles on then they'll be making decent money. It's highly unlikely.

      Rather than give you some BS "yeah - go for it, you can do it" that just gives you false hope, I'm trying to be real with you.

      I know it's not what you want to hear - but to be honest if you've only focused on one affiliate marketing resource that probably had less information than this forum has and you've already given up twice - you probably need a reality check more than a pat on the back.

      The biggest thing you can do for yourself regarding IM is ask yourself good questions about - WHY do you expect people to give you money? How are you going to reach your target audience? Have you defined your audience and established their need? Are you actually able to reach enough of them to bring enough of them to your site that with your conversion rates you can make more money than you're spending?

      If you can't honestly know that what you're doing makes sense as far as the return for your work is concerned - you probably need to work on your plan rather than your tactics.

      It's way too easy to jump into the details and be thinking about link building tactics etc. before you've actually got a solid plan that if you don't do it this time it's highly likely that this will just be round 3 rather than the final round.

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      • Profile picture of the author jessejaymes
        Andyhenry, I appreciate your insight on my situation, I forgot to tell you that I did have tactics, a specific crowd i was targeting. I was working on relationships on enizne articles during the first round. The second round I tried juggling 3 niches (which I believe was part of the problem). anyways I think that its quality content that sells not quantity. the whole point is to get back into IM and do the right things.

        The work is hard but I'm willing to do it, just point me in the right direction and I'll do the rest.

        And to the other posters thanks for your input, I know IM is real.
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        • Profile picture of the author Luis Medilo
          Based on your info, I think you gave up too easily.

          First, you just wrote some articles. What did you do with the articles? Did you post them on article directories or posted them on your site? Maybe you just wrote articles and never did some promoting (SEO, backlinks, etc.). What's the use of writing articles if nobody reads them?

          Then you paid lots of money to have someone create a website and write articles. If you just stayed around to learn some HTML and writing skills, then you would have saved a ton of money by creating your own website and doing the writing yourself. Based on your post, you have the writing skills to make the content creation yourself.
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        • Profile picture of the author eleary
          Jessejaymes,

          You now know it will take you a while - a long while probably. So why don't you start with a blog in a particular niche. Then write articles, maybe spin them a little, bundle them, and sell them as PLR! You can make some money while you work on your own site.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        I wouldn't discourage you from IM - but I do think you've probably still under-estimated what you actually need to do in order to make any decent money.

        It 'looks' simple and easy, but in reality there's a LOT more work involved than most people think.

        For example - I have about 100 blogs with over 10,000 pages that make virtually zero revenue.

        Some people come here thinking that if they make 2 blogs with 25 articles on then they'll be making decent money. It's highly unlikely.

        Rather than give you some BS "yeah - go for it, you can do it" that just gives you false hope, I'm trying to be real with you.

        I know it's not what you want to hear - but to be honest if you've only focused on one affiliate marketing resource that probably had less information than this forum has and you've already given up twice - you probably need a reality check more than a pat on the back.

        The biggest thing you can do for yourself regarding IM is ask yourself good questions about - WHY do you expect people to give you money? How are you going to reach your target audience? Have you defined your audience and established their need? Are you actually able to reach enough of them to bring enough of them to your site that with your conversion rates you can make more money than you're spending?

        If you can't honestly know that what you're doing makes sense as far as the return for your work is concerned - you probably need to work on your plan rather than your tactics.

        It's way too easy to jump into the details and be thinking about link building tactics etc. before you've actually got a solid plan that if you don't do it this time it's highly likely that this will just be round 3 rather than the final round.

        Andy
        To be fair, and I know you are making money, but to have that many blogs with that many pages and not making money you've got to be doing something wrong.

        Either they are not ranking, they are weird topics that don't make money or something else, but I know people who with that many blogs are making $1000 a day or more.

        Even with as little as 5-10 websites you can make a living.

        But as you did say, behind all the tricks, smokes and so forth it really does just take hard work and dedication, and obviously a good eye on what will work, which is usually learned through trial and error.

        But again op, to have a team write you 500 articles, and not be able to make a dime with them someone must have made a massive mistake.

        Either you didn't even get them to rank, or they were non profit topics, or terribly written or a host of other things.

        Some members have started making $1000 a month within a few months just writing 2-3 articles a day during those months which equates to 180-270 articles, and some even less. But to have 500 written for you and to not make a dime, you either have the wrong idea in what you are doing, or who ever wrote those articles had no idea.

        Maybe the courses you chose are wrong, for example you say you went through tons of testimonials claiming to earn millions, avoid these....

        Infact, avoid any course from now on, anything you need to know is free on this forum or out there on the internet.

        For example, Josh spaulding has a free ebook on making small adsense websites that makes money.

        You can also invest (and this is the only money on any sort of subscription I currently advise you make) in the War Room, and read up on StevenR's blogging system.

        Another one is the various threads speaking about CPA/Clickbank and Amazon freely.

        If and when you make any money you can then start to invest in some courses, for example i always invest in some if I think I may pick up just 1 thing, which will then make it worth purchasing what ever it is I invested in.

        Until then, just forget spending, and work on reading everything thats free and applying just one method.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

          To be fair, and I know you are making money, but to have that many blogs with that many pages and not making money you've got to be doing something wrong.

          Either they are not ranking, they are weird topics that don't make money or something else, but I know people who with that many blogs are making $1000 a day or more.

          Even with as little as 5-10 websites you can make a living.

          But as you did say, behind all the tricks, smokes and so forth it really does just take hard work and dedication, and obviously a good eye on what will work, which is usually learned through trial and error.
          That's my point. I didn't mention how many I have in total or that are making money because the point I'm making is that many people think that it's just a numbers game and all they need is a few dozen blogs and they're guaranteed a decent income.

          It's not the case. Sure if you create 10,000 websites and put new content regularly on them you'll probably get enough that do make money - but most people don't know what makes the difference between lots of sites that do make money and lots of sites....

          The ones I have that don't make much money are sites I haven't given much attention for a long time - but I mention them just to prove the point that just having lots of pages doesn't equal making lots of money.

          We see new members here all the time spending 3 weeks just setting up one simple blog with a few pages and then wondering why they're not making money - and they think it's just because they haven't got their grand goal of 25 pages done yet. In reality - most people don't get it right the first time and even a few hundred pages could result in very little revenue. Just having content is irrelevant in and of itself.

          I've shared here many times before just how I've created sites that DO make money so I'm just giving people the other side of the coin because I see so many people getting disillusioned after creating a few pages and wondering why it isn't making them money - because they've been given a false impression of how quick and easy it is to make money.

          I know I might be coming across as negative, but I think anyone who knows me knows that I'm a really positive person but don't enjoy seeing people struggle due to the mutual back-patting club all telling them just to take action - any action and they'll be successful - it's just not true and sometimes I think a reality check is in order too.

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          • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
            Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

            That's my point. I didn't mention how many I have in total or that are making money because the point I'm making is that many people think that it's just a numbers game and all they need is a few dozen blogs and they're guaranteed a decent income.

            It's not the case. Sure if you create 10,000 websites and put new content regularly on them you'll probably get enough that do make money - but most people don't know what makes the difference between lots of sites that do make money and lots of sites....

            The ones I have that don't make much money are sites I haven't given much attention for a long time - but I mention them just to prove the point that just having lots of pages doesn't equal making lots of money.

            We see new members here all the time spending 3 weeks just setting up one simple blog with a few pages and then wondering why they're not making money - and they think it's just because they haven't got their grand goal of 25 pages done yet. In reality - most people don't get it right the first time and even a few hundred pages could result in very little revenue. Just having content is irrelevant in and of itself.

            I've shared here many times before just how I've created sites that DO make money so I'm just giving people the other side of the coin because I see so many people getting disillusioned after creating a few pages and wondering why it isn't making them money - because they've been given a false impression of how quick and easy it is to make money.

            I know I might be coming across as negative, but I think anyone who knows me knows that I'm a really positive person but don't enjoy seeing people struggle due to the mutual back-patting club all telling them just to take action - any action and they'll be successful - it's just not true and sometimes I think a reality check is in order too.

            Andy
            Gotcha!

            I assumed you meant you had that many blogs which you had put work into but to no avail, my mistake!

            Though true about the building but no further work to it statement.

            Which makes me think, to have 500 articles written for you, even if they are terrible, to not even make a dime, makes me wonder if the op really did market them, or whether he went about it the wrong way.
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            • Profile picture of the author jessejaymes
              Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

              Gotcha!

              I assumed you meant you had that many blogs which you had put work into but to no avail, my mistake!

              Though true about the building but no further work to it statement.

              Which makes me think, to have 500 articles written for you, even if they are terrible, to not even make a dime, makes me wonder if the op really did market them, or whether he went about it the wrong way.
              Not necessarily. It was actually an article writing service found here on the WF. Their service was poor quality though and most of the articles weren't published.

              It doesn't matter how many you have or post, if it isn't quality content..no ones gonna buy it anyway
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              • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                Hi Jesse,

                The work is hard but I'm willing to do it, just point me in the right direction and I'll do the rest.
                You might want to consider that the part that I have bolded could be the problem. The world is full of people who say that they are willing to work hard, as well as those who truly are willing - but this guarantees nothing in terms of elevating their financial position. Sometimes, their willingness to work hard can even be a hindrance, in terms of mindset, approach, positioning etc.

                Put another way, those that have a clear direction have one of the most important parts and are moving forwards under their own steam. They are not being misdirected. They have faith in themselves and their ability to find what they need and sometimes that faith is unshakeable.

                It's wise to be wary of asking for direction and instead learn to only trust yourself on that one. If you are conditioned to following the directions of others, you will be just like the rest of the majority who are ideal employee fodder. Too many people fail because they don't realise that they have an employee mindset and are looking for someone to hold their hand. I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case for you, I'm just offering some food for thought.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
                Originally Posted by jessejaymes View Post

                Not necessarily. It was actually an article writing service found here on the WF. Their service was poor quality though and most of the articles weren't published.

                It doesn't matter how many you have or post, if it isn't quality content..no ones gonna buy it anyway
                not completely true .

                Without sounding harsh, let me give an example.

                You have 500 articles written for you right?

                Surely you must have picked the topics for them.

                Now according to their quality you should have taken the initiative of making them article worthy.

                If they werent made well for keywords, you should have slowly added the keywords you wanted to the appropriate articles.

                If the articles were poorly written, you could have tweaked them until slightly readable.

                What I'm getting at is that what ever was wrong, you shouldn't have just disregarded them... after all you did pay for it. You should have tried to make it work.

                But you've also said that most weren't published, so how are you to know it wouldn't have made you anything? It tells me you havn't properly tried because you weren't sure if it would actually work.

                And even though the content may be poor, usually a very good resource box (or what ever its called) can usually work.

                I know one tactic a guy I know uses, is to make the content confusing, and work on his resource box. What happens is the user usually skips to the bottom seeing that the small article isn't so good, but the resource box which is very eye catching attracts them and they click through.

                Then there is obviously the common approach of writing a good quality article, but only enough to explain about what it is your explaining, so that when they see your resource box which says that in order to find out the how, they have to click the link.

                Both quantity and quality do work. Some pretty crappy articles have had some amazing sales and ctrs .

                Sorry if I'm being harsh, but you said yourself, you barely published any articles you spent supposedly all your cash on. Now for someone who is in a tight spot, to just waste those articles like that is reckless.

                I recommend to either do it yourself, or stay well away until your mind is in the right frame.
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        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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          Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

          But again op, to have a team write you 500 articles, and not be able to make a dime with them someone must have made a massive mistake.
          He said he paid $300 for 500 articles. That's $0.60 an article. Can you imagine the quality of those articles?
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

            He said he paid $300 for 500 articles. That's $0.60 an article. Can you imagine the quality of those articles?
            It had to be pure, utter rubbish. I'd not be surprised at all if those articles were just straight or slightly spun PLR. Unfortunately, many new marketers choose quantity over quality, when it should be the other way around.

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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by jessejaymes View Post

      Andyhenry, I hold a regular job which doesn't pay much and not relying on this IM stuff, but I believe that there are alternatives on the side to make extra cash. Why would you discourage me from IM? If you can make some money from it, why shouldn't I? Sure I tried it twice, and made mistakes but I'm willing to try again and learn from my mistakes.

      I just want to do something that shows me result and I can build from...
      Jesse, I think the first mistake you made was outsourcing the article writing in the hopes that you could make some quick money. It sounds like you were really tight on money back then, and yet you were literally betting the farm on your internet marketing. You keep talking about "barely getting by", and yet you somehow thought it'd be a good idea to blow $300 on outsourcing?

      If money is tight and you plan to write articles to drive traffic, you definitely have to write more than a handful (I think you'd have to write hundreds of articles over time) to see any results. You have to give yourself several months and commit to writing at least 2-3 articles per day during that period. If you want instant results using this particular method in IM, it's just not going to happen.

      Prepare yourself mentally for this, and do not give up after a week or two when you don't see results. It won't be easy or particularly fun implementing this method during the initial phase, so I just thought I'd warn you. There's no magic pill to make this happen quickly, especially when you're starting internet marketing using the free (i.e. article marketing) route.

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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    At a minimum there will have to be some form of a monetary investment for a domain name and webhosting. From there you can start making money but it requires some work. You'll need to do the following:

    1 - Conduct market research for a niche
    2 - Conduct keyword research for your selected niche
    3 - Build a simple website around your keyword phrases targeting your selected niche.
    4 - Choose a monetization method (adsense, amazon or some other form of affiliate commission).
    5 - Start driving traffic to the website and building backlinks to the site.
    6 - Once you start to generate income rinse and repeat.

    Those 6 steps can start you on a nice income producing path.

    I'd recommend you read some of the postings regarding how to make money with Amazon and check out a post by LMC which details how he is killing it with small websites.

    Nearly everything you need to know to succeed is contained within his thread provided you identify the golden nuggets and then spend some time reserching what he provides.

    I realize this post is lacking in details and sizzle but the simple things really do work in this business.

    Respectfully,
    Tim
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      If you need $$ ASAP I would say try fiverr or here on WF. You'll have to put yourself in front of people that need your services.

      What can you do (build backlinks, write articles, etc...)?

      .
      I didn't have any luck with fiverr.com, I posted my services and didn't get a single order. You could give it a try though, maybe you'll have better luck than me. It's free so you have nothing to lose.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel ED
    Originally Posted by jessejaymes View Post

    Help me make this into a great success story and help me make some cash. How can I make cash without investing any money right now (until my next paycheck at least)...how can I make money...like REAL money off the internet.. hmmmm
    Provide a Service. Can you write Articles? Create Videos? Anything, just think of something creative - you can offer this here on the Warrior Forum.

    Judging by your post, that's probably the simplest, easiest route for you to go right now. Sure, it might not pay all of your debt or make you megabucks but it's a good platform to start on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sardent
      Originally Posted by Emmanuel Inyang View Post

      Provide a Service. Can you write Articles? Create Videos? Anything, just think of something creative - you can offer this here on the Warrior Forum.

      Judging by your post, that's probably the simplest, easiest route for you to go right now. Sure, it might not pay all of your debt or make you megabucks but it's a good platform to start on.
      Exactly!!!

      Be creative!!!

      Sounds like you have several hundred articles that you've written.
      If they're any good, package those suckers up and offer them to other marketers.
      Sell PLR rights for a little bit more.
      Find blogs in those niches you've written the articles for and offer to sell them content packages. Blog owners are always looking for good content because it becomes a real grind to have to produce it yourself day after day.
      Contact those blog owners.
      Offer it to them as newsletter content.
      Create hundreds of hubpages from the articles and get adsense going on all of them.

      Sell it over and over and over again.

      Dirty little secret...sssshhhhhhhh...there are more IM forums then just WF. Although you didn't hear that from me.

      EXPAND YOUR HORIZONS - THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Here's a thread you ought to read, this should enlighten you as to what actually needs to be done to successfully do affiliate marketing using articles - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...0-dollars.html
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    • Profile picture of the author kimberly Aita
      Thanks for this.... I went and read it because I do article marketing and I just bought Dean Shainin's Article marketing wso... Great read and very inspirational. I would recommend the op definitely go read this....

      I have been in for over 6 years... never made too much money but have enough knowledge and tools to believe I will soon... I have always believed or I wouldn't have stayed for 6 years and spent every cent I made here.....

      I still love IM and if you take the time to learn something then your chances are going to be much greater. There is a ton of free info here so just do a search for what ever you need answers to. Don't quit no matter what anyone says but do your homework and take it slow. You can make money online although that doesn't mean you will get rich overnight. Good luck to everyone...

      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Here's a thread you ought to read, this should enlighten you as to what actually needs to be done to successfully do affiliate marketing using articles - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...0-dollars.html
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    I started with Wealthy Affiliate and made my first CB sale within the first 2 weeks or so. Did you follow everything by the plan? I remember there was a special 30 day newbie plan. You have to put in much more work in IM to be successful. WF is better than WA in my opinion, since it is free and offers much more information. Stick to the forum and read some of the stickies:
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Yes, I think you were probably fooled by the sales copy, which may have made you think this was going to be an easy process (which it definitely is not in the beginning). I think you've been misled into thinking this is pretty easy, otherwise you'd never have quit after writing a mere 40 articles, especially if you were barely getting by and were down to your last few dollars.

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    • Profile picture of the author jessejaymes
      thanks paulie888, LetsGoViral, Emmanuel, TimG and yukon
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  • Profile picture of the author Blade Runner 77
    Hi JJ,
    Here's my 2 cents; three suggestions, based on years of near useless IM experience, I'm in a similar position to you for health reasons, working away from the house is out of the question, the internet seemed like an obvious answer.
    The outright lies and deceptions practiced by some marketeers, and some very well known and trusted names have soured me tremendously.There's simply isn't enough time and funds to tick off the wealth programs one by one until you find one that works.
    Here's a couple of suggestions though that do actually work.
    One answer is to consider working on the internet, as one would report to an office job. There is a lot of online work available, like writing articles. Its just a job, except you're online.
    Another answer is to do work online for off line businesses, ie creating websites for local to you small businesses. Believe or not most people are still afraid of the internet and pay well to have a simple attractive website for their business. Do a flyer drop in your area, that you make websites, Use template systems like godaddy, make the client feel good, and confident, and charge 500-1,000. This is better, frees up your time, and makes you feel human again.
    Three - Dan Brock/Profitzon, here on warrior, in jan 2010 was the first & only program I ever made genuine money from the internet. Its a good simple, follow the leader, step by step program, using article marketing to sell amazon products. It really worked. Slight drawback is that amazon commissions are truly pathetic and a sparrow would starve on them, under 5%. But...it does work and is clearly a good model to learn with, and then to apply to other products like clickbank where the commissions are a reasonable, lol, 75%. Dan Brock has done a good thing with his product and I highly reccomend him and the product.
    If you like the amazon set up, the small commissions are not an issue, there are amazon sellers at the $100,000 per month mark, so small commissions can still create a real, life changing, business.
    regards and all the best for Christmas. BR88
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    One of the biggest myths is that anyone can do marketing, especially marketing that involves you writing stuff that compels people to take action or draws them in. That is a skill, writing, that not everybody can have. Simple fact.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      One of the biggest myths is that anyone can do marketing, especially marketing that involves you writing stuff that compels people to take action or draws them in. That is a skill, writing, that not everybody can have. Simple fact.
      This is a crucial factor which few people talk about. There is both a component of skill as well as art to writing compelling articles that draw the readers in and cause them to take action by clicking on the links.

      Whether you do it yourself or outsource it, this engagement aspect of articles has to be there in order for them to be successful and have high click-through rates.

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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      One of the biggest myths is that anyone can do marketing, especially marketing that involves you writing stuff that compels people to take action or draws them in. That is a skill, writing, that not everybody can have. Simple fact.
      Here's an idea that Jay Abraham often repeats, for those who aren't skilled writers, and don't want to develop the skill (paraphrasing): "if you are weak or lack confidence in any skill area that you need, it isn't a problem, because there are lots of people you can hire or joint venture with that have whatever skill you're lacking, especially in a bad economy."

      Just a thought from the marketer I most want to be like when I grow up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Originally Posted by jessejaymes View Post

    Help me make this into a great success story and help me make some cash. How can I make cash without investing any money right now (until my next paycheck at least)...how can I make money...like REAL money off the internet.. hmmmm
    You have to help yourself.

    Did you track what you did and did not do?

    This whole business - like any business is all about tracking and tweeking and when something is not working you need to poke it until it does.

    If you are saying "last try" for real, then you may not really be into it. I think you might be seeing the dollar signs in your eyes still.

    Edison failed more than 2x. More like 10,000 time before he figured out the lightbulb.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by jessejaymes View Post

    I failed twice, this is the last try.
    Hi Jesse, nice to meet you.

    I offer one small observation only, and even that's in the form of a question for you: imagine two separate groups of 100 people each, all starting off again in your exact position. One group of 100 people are all the ones who said "I failed twice, this is my last try" and the other group are all the people who said "I failed twice, I'll try as many times as it takes to succeed". Which group of 100 will end up containing more successful people?

    I wish you good luck, and I think there's plenty of good advice above.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggerDeen
    Ok lady first thing I want to make clear to you is that "you are underestimating it". Its not that easy as many of these Gurus want you to believe. And you are giving up just because you fail 3 times? If I start telling you my story about my failures you will probably sleep by the time it ends.
    The thing is its not that easy but also not that difficult, but like anything else in life you gotta keep trying.
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    • Profile picture of the author merlincat
      Originally Posted by moonfish View Post

      Hey Jesse,

      I feel for you I really do, Internet Marketing can be pretty tough and it looks like you have not found a system that works. If I were in your situation I would set up a free blogger blog using a blogger squeeze page template either advertising a product of your own or promoting an affiliates product.

      To promote your blogger page use:

      Twitter
      Ping.fm
      Ezinearticles
      Niche forums with a signature link
      Yahoo Answers and answer based sites
      Blog coimmenting and any other method you can think of for promoting the site

      It saddens me when I see people who keep throwing what little money they have at schemes that do not work especially when their situation is desperate and I'd like to offer you my help.

      I will provide you with all the tools you need to start making money online and I'll offer you advice which should hopefully get you some money in the bank. I'll do this for nothing, because I really want to help and restore your interest in Internet Marketing.

      The tools I provide you with will work, but you will need to work hard and be totally focused, if you can do so then I think I can help you.

      If anyone else is in a desperate situation then PM me too, although I only have the time to help a few people.

      Just PM me and I'll do everything I can to help.

      All the best Rob
      Thanks for this post, it is fantastic the amount of quality advice offered on this forum.

      I can't PM you (not enough posts), but thank you for your positive post! Cheered me up as a newbie who has grown through failure in the past!
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      • Profile picture of the author donhx
        Lots of advice here, maybe too much. It can be confusing. :confused:

        Here is my advice, and it's simple: "Find a need and meet it."

        Don't be preoccupied with making money, focus entirely on finding a genuine need that people have. Something people are desperate to have. Then, discover a way to meet that need. It could be your own product (always the best I think) or something offered through an affiliate.

        Once you have identified a genuine need and a worthwhile solution, promote it unceasingly using the many methods available. Do not get distracted -- as a famous philosopher once said, "Purity of heart is to will ONE thing." Then, you can expect success.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I belive everything deserves a second chance. that is what I did several years ago. But three times, whoa you are keen. That shows me that you have real ticker mate. Someone that determined might actually make a very very successful marketer. so I say go for it. Come back here and read stuff everyday, but only for an hour or so.

    Then shut it down and go and apply what you have just read / learnt. That is what many successful newbies in here have done. I suggest you do the same.

    Good luck, this time, go for it, do not eat, and sleep untill you are having some sort of success.
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    i would listen to AndyHenry. I have read his posts on here and they are great. Hes not trying to sell you anything. but hes giving you the truth absolutely free, and in the end you will save a ton of money and headache
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  • Profile picture of the author harro1
    Keep on trying, you will always learn from your mistakes.
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  • Profile picture of the author kb24
    Have a look at associated content they pay you $3-5 an article for writing articles depending on how good your articles are..
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    Simply throwing up a bunch of articles online is not the easy road to riches many are led to believe. People are more savvy online now, and want quality information that helps them in some way.

    You will need to learn how to write product reviews or have someone write them for you, if you are going to stick with promoting digital or physical products online. This is the other piece of the article marketing puzzle.

    Take your time and don't rush into anything. Failure online is common, it just means you don't have all the pieces right.

    Go slow and try one thing, then another thing. Pick a good product, write a review of it, put it on a blogger blog and point some well written articles to it. Not every product is a winner, and some products are promoted by so many that by the time they get to your review, they've already seen it.

    So, finding good products to promote that doesn't have tons of competition is your first hurdle. Then creating quality content. This won't happen overnight, so relax and be prepared to go through trial and error like most of us have.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    Maybe you should check this out:http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...today-try.html

    It can be your form of inspiration or a method you can implement.


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  • Profile picture of the author peace1
    Hi Jesse,
    nice to hear that you're not giving up. You are not a failure and you will make it. Have a positive mindset. The book "The Science of getting Rich" (Freely available on the internet) can help you. Just follow the instructions.

    I know where you are coming from. From my own experience I know how it is, if you just want to see the way forward especially if you have family with 3 children that all rely on you.

    Internet Marketing, with all the information overload can be like not beeing able to see the forest because of so many trees. You need a plan to follow with persistance and maybe someone to help you along the way to success.

    Have a look at Shoemoney.com He's got a good reputation and offers an easy to follow system. Look at his empressive list of failures :-)
    http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/09/04/...to-make-money/

    I also agree with others that said you can start with offering usefull services to others. You can also offer a service and outsource the work to able people and have a profit margin. That could help you earn your first mony over the internet and from there you can take further steps.

    Look at Andrea's recommendation...

    I wish you all the best !
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrianne_
    When people in this forum post their success with IM, the one thing they all have in common is that they put in consistent, daily effort for 2 or 3 months such as writing about 20 articles a week. Give yourself 30 days and do your own writing. The more you write, the better you get at it. The higher the quality of your articles, the better the chance of them getting picked up. The concept is simple but the work is laborious. You just have to roll up your sleeves and get it done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
    Firstly I'd say browse IM forums for a while picking up tips from people who have been doing this a while.. amalgamate information from lots of different threads and resources before getting started.
    Secondly, maybe you should be analyzing what went wrong with all those articles last time. You say they were written by a "professional team" - did you make sure the articles that they produced were clear, concise, and attention-grabbing? Quality and uniqueness is very important in articles - not just quantity.
    Also, how did you get the articles out? Did you use sites like ezine and squidoo, did you optimize using keywords? If you didn't market your articles well enough, that might be your problem too - even if they are high quality if no one reads them it is useless!
    Best of luck in your endeavors - with all the success stories I have seen around, I have no doubt you can do it!
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Devid farah View Post

      Firstly I'd say browse IM forums for a while picking up tips from people who have been doing this a while.. amalgamate information from lots of different threads and resources before getting started.
      Secondly, maybe you should be analyzing what went wrong with all those articles last time. You say they were written by a "professional team" - did you make sure the articles that they produced were clear, concise, and attention-grabbing? Quality and uniqueness is very important in articles - not just quantity.
      Also, how did you get the articles out? Did you use sites like ezine and squidoo, did you optimize using keywords? If you didn't market your articles well enough, that might be your problem too - even if they are high quality if no one reads them it is useless!
      Best of luck in your endeavors - with all the success stories I have seen around, I have no doubt you can do it!
      I very much doubt that his articles were "professional" in any way, shape or form, especially given the fact that he only paid $300 to have 500 articles written.

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      • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post


        I very much doubt that his articles were "professional" in any way, shape or form, especially given the fact that he only paid $300 to have 500 articles written.

        Paul
        Dear Paul,
        cheap doesn't necessarily mean "unprofessional"(i have known an incredible team of talented guys offering top notch articles at very cheap prices), but overall I agree - the articles probably were not high quality.

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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by Devid farah View Post

          Dear Paul,
          cheap doesn't necessarily mean "unprofessional"(i have known an incredible team of talented guys offering top notch articles at very cheap prices), but overall I agree - the articles probably were not high quality.

          Devid
          Devid, I agree, but come on - when the articles work out to be an average of 60 cents a piece how "professional" could they possibly be?

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
    Maybed the op could show us one or two, but like I said, that doesn't stop him tweaking them if he did spend most his money.
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    The Hershey guy and Abraham Lincoln would roll over in their graves if they read the title of this thread. Look up their stories.
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  • Profile picture of the author rawservices
    man....

    jessejaymes, let me tell you from many years of experience in internet marketing; it will be and IS confusing beyond belief.

    You see, for every person who wants to delve into internet marketing, there is a way they have made money.

    Each way is different, and solely lye's with there: background, strength, persona, and sheer determination of will.

    I think what you really need to do, is look inside yourself for what your strengths are, and play off of those.

    For me, if I hadn't been doing web design for 10 years, I wouldn't have the money right now to invest in other aspects of internet marketing to progress forward.

    I'm definitely not raking in the dough, but I have enough to invest in my future; and that is all that counts for me at the moment.

    IF you are truly destitute, I would not recommend pursuing this any further unless it's your last option, it IS NOT EASY no matter what the "experts" say.

    If however you see the potential that internet marketing has and want to be a part of it, by all means GO FOR IT MY FRIEND!!

    I have; and for so long have been constantly trying to figure out my own path; this is not a one size fits all deal, you will blaze your own trail and delve through massive amounts of information to find what you seek.

    Read this forum, but most importantly apply what you learn.

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    • Profile picture of the author davidtong
      Originally Posted by rawservices View Post

      man....

      I think what you really need to do, is look inside yourself for what your strengths are, and play off of those.

      ... I have; and for so long have been constantly trying to figure out my own path; this is not a one size fits all deal, you will blaze your own trail and delve through massive amounts of information to find what you seek.

      Read this forum, but most importantly apply what you learn.

      -Ryan
      Really good advice....

      First up, I haven't had "success" making money online via IM per-se, I just started last month. However, I can definitely say that the internet, as an avenue to do business, will work and I have (and had) several online-based success that worked out really well that's why I have so much faith to invest considerable amount of my time NOW to make a decent income stream IN THE FUTURE.

      I'm not expecting overnight success (overnight meaning the next few months, or even a full year) as all my past small successes were based on trust and relationship building and those things take time and honesty to achieve.

      Even my 'brick-and-mortar' business was built, sustained, and expanded with the internet's help, so it really works.

      Do what you're good at and something that you like, because if you're only doing it for a buck, then your energy, efforts, and dedication will never last.

      Paying $$$$ to get things done will never work out unless you like the underlying business to begin with... Spend the money only if you have better ways to spend your time (like making more money, or spending time with your love ones).

      Now have you asked yourself this before... Do you even like internet marketing tasks, in general? Like as in doing it day after day for months, if not years regardless of returns?... I honestly don't think "keep trying" is good advice if you don't like IM in the first place, you'll just be banging your head against a brick wall again and again.

      If IM is not your thing, don't force yourself to it just because you see others succeeding. I don't see how trying new things can help you AT ALL if you're not into IM as a business in the first place.

      How about the medium, are you just tired of doing everything from scratch? What if, let's say, you enjoy doing copywriting or SEO? Maybe you can use those skills in places OTHER THAN the internet? For example, do you see many local businesses around your neighborhood having really poor sales copies on their flyers, ads, or website? If you think you can do a lot better, why not offer your services to them and make some money off that instead?

      There are many ways to do business, but other people cannot help you find your true passion, interest, and drive - you have to determine those yourself and move from there...

      Just because you learn a lot for WF doesn't mean you have to apply those skills through IM only.

      Look around and work on opportunities you can control... Just like the whole "find a niche" mantra in IM, find your niche, don't try to serve the world.

      Good luck and keep your head up high.
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  • Profile picture of the author marcromero
    Jesse failure is only a stepping stone towards success. I failed for 10 years before I ever saw the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm still not rich from IM and still have a Job but I'm taking bits and pieces from what I learn here at WF and it is all starting to fall into place. I just had to learn to stay focused and quit spending money on any and every thing that promised to put money in my pocket.
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    • Profile picture of the author rashamba
      I didn't read all the replies, but wanted to offer my advice. The one sure way you can make money is to sell your services. Sounds like you are pretty well read up on the marketing aspects. Offline for sure can make you money or even market on here under services for hire. BTW, I do some offline work, but I have regular job. I make about $1200-$1500/mo extra gross for simple stuff I am sure you can do as well or better than me.
      Also, I am chomping at the bit to get a free WSO out for people just like you. I am working on it now. I am tired of hearing how people waste all sorts of time and money on the hype they are hearing. You are not alone my friend. Save your money and do not buy another course. You can get lots of help here.
      Best to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      You need to provide services first.

      If you can write articles offer that service on freelancer websites and money making forums.

      Product creation and selling needs expertise and investment.

      Don't give up, keep on trying.

      Good Luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author evollusion
        Jesse,

        I know how you feel brother, I've been there. I first found my way here several years ago. At the time I was still in school full time, out of work, and doing my best to support a family. I've drifted back and forth back to IM as money and time permits, but it is only in the past few months that I've started to make any headway with my IM business.

        As I've said in another thread you have to set goals for yourself. My ultimate goal is to own and operate a guided hunting and offshore fishing charter service. To reach this goal I have set what I am starting to call milestone goals. I have milestone goals for the week, for the month, for the year, and 5 years down the road.

        Ask yourself, and be honest what it is you want to accomplish. If all you want to do is make money, that in my opinion is not enough. I have a specific dream and IM is the road that I've decided to run to make it there. But, if I don't have a plan on how to get there then I'm just throwing stuff at the wall hoping that it will stick.

        For the sake of this excersize we'll say your ultimate goal is a well built and sourced IM website up.

        Milestone 1: Vehicle (This shouldn't take long. You know what method you'll feel most comfortable with)
        The first milestone goal is deciding the vehicle that to utilize to get there. Pick a single strategy and stay with it.

        For example I make my modest amount of IM money using Amazon affiliate revenue. There are tons of other ways to do it, but this is the easiest for me as I'm not interested in building a list and some other aspects of IM. I know that I'm losing money by not building one and offering products that way, but I don't currently have the time or money to invest in putting together auto-responders and email marketing campaigns. It might be an option down the road, but right now I'm going to focus on this Vehicle.

        Milestone 2: Product Research (16 hours)
        Milestone 2 feeds off of milestone one. If I am promoting amazon products, lets say digital cameras, I want to find out as much about digital cameras as I can. Visit forums, blogs, read manuals which can be found at manufacturer's websites. Ask questions about things you don't understand when reading through the information. Keep a log of these questions for later. You really need to be able to talk knowledgeably to be taken seriously. This research will introduce you to buzzwords, jargon, and information that people who are interested in digital cameras might be looking for. This can be repeated for almost any business model in IM.

        Milestone 3: Keyword Research (16 hours)
        After you have spent enough time where you think you are at least comfortable writing information on digital cameras begin thinking about keywords revolving around the niche you've been researching. With digital cameras it might be things like shutter speed, megapixels, model numbers, etc. Use this jargon that you've learned in your research to pick a domain name based off of the most commonly researched term. For instance I could create a website called digitalcameramegapixels.com. I have no idea if this is even a website or whether or not people are searching for this term but you get the idea. Once again, this is pretty much universal for any business model.

        Milestone 4: The Website (16 hours)
        A lot of people here like wordpress, for myself I prefer to build my own websites from scratch because I have the knowledge to do that. In any case; write articles, reviews, how-tos etc and get them on your website first. I manually spin them and then submit them to Ezine articles; then a week later submit them to several others. This lends itself much more to a physical product business model, but you get the idea. Other options include salesletters, squeeze pages, etc etc.

        Milestone 5: promote, Promote, PrOmOtE, PROMOTE
        Get your website links out there. You can search for hundreds of ways to do it here on WF. There's twitter, article marketing, facebook, google ads, press releases, forum posting etc. etc.

        With that you've completed your list of milestones, and ultimately your goal.

        Now, lets say you want to own your own home free and clear. All you would have to do is roll these steps into a single milestone, and add more milestones.

        Milestone 1 - Build a website as seen in goal 1
        Milestone 2 - Repeat this process x times.
        Milestone 3 - Hire a writer to outsource articles
        Milestone 4 - Hire an intern to do your SEO work.
        Milestone 5... You should be getting the picture

        The key to this method is to establish these milestones and then plan how to make it to them. Write down your milestones and plan and stick with it. If part of it doesn't work after a while (months, not weeks) don't throw the baby out with the bath water. You might be getting great conversions, but very little traffic. Adjust your SEO strategy accordingly. You have a great resource here to come and ask questions why a certain part of your plan might not be working. Don't broadcast your niche, or your website out in the open. There are a lot of people here that will help, but there are others who will go and become your competition. Find a few people feel are trustworthy and knowledgeable and open a private conversation with them.

        It takes time, you won't see results overnight. I'm making money, but not nearly enough to reach my ultimate goal yet. Every week I sit down and evaluate what I've done, and how I might be able to improve upon the past weeks success. This might mean writing more articles, doing more SEO or if things are performing okay and I'm bored start promoting a new product. This work is not hard per se, but it takes persistence, perseverance, passion, and promotion to do well.
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    • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
      you have to become a seller........stop buying.

      you see all those WSO's (well 99.9%) it's all about selling a believable dream. That's how I.M. works. Check your ethics at the door. Be a seller.

      Step back and look ohw the majority are making their $$'s on the Net..and do it. Copy them. Stop being the sheep and become the "Sheppard."
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    • Profile picture of the author Tyson Faulkner
      I think the big miconception is that you should make a lot of money within a few weeks of getting into IM or you're a failure. The truth is that you need to have a long term mindset that will carry you through the little "failures" so you can learn and build on your knowledge.

      Focusing on building a business is an important part of IM just like if you were going to start a business in the "real world"

      Who's your market?
      How will you serve them?
      What products will you create?
      What's your business plan?

      I've struggled with the same exact thing...so I know =)

      It's tough, and you have to be willing to fail and to learn from them.

      Like Robert Kiyosaki says...

      9/10 businesses fail, so that just means I need to be willing to start 10 businesses to find the one that works.
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    • Profile picture of the author Canuckystan
      Here's a radical plan: start with the perspective of the user/customer/surfer. Very few people seem to do this. So many start with "how do I make money fast?"

      Net users are exposed to a lot of high quality free content. What makes your content so compelling that a user would make the effort to spend money?

      If you saw your own content while surfing around, would you make a purchase? Truthfully, would you?

      Even the smallest errors in grammar, layout, prose, graphics can turn off the majority of users. And the deal has to be compelling. Because people will think about it, surf around for a better deal, comparison shop, and then they may come back to you if it is that good.

      If it's not that good, you are really wasting your time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Link2Me
    You need to bring something unique to the table or add a unique twist. Just because you failed doesn't mean you should give up, in fact you are now more experienced then before your tired the first time. Think outside the box, learn from other peoples ideas and then make something better or modify them them for use in a different market.
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  • Profile picture of the author mlmguru
    In my opinion, anyone with half a brain can make money online. Pick a topic or niche that your interested in and start a self hosted wordpress blog and make a blog post once a day. Also create a youtube channel and upload some videos related to your blog topic with links back your blog. Wrtie some articles and work on getting backlinks to your blog. The formula is very easy, it just takes time and dedication. Most people get discouraged because they won't make a penny the first 6 months or even ayear,but eventually your blog will start geting decent traffic and you'll just have to find a decent way to monetize it. Again, I'm no expert, I just speak from my experiences.
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  • Profile picture of the author bamidele_ba
    I think your problem is lack of consistency. You must first realize that making money online is not a get rich quick scheme. Give any project a minimum of 6 months before you give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Here's another potential problem that most people overlook...

    Ever noticed how everybody seems to give the same advice
    on how to make money online?

    Especially around here, anyway.

    It's always about writing, or blogging, or creating an eBook.

    I think that's a potential sticking point for those who
    don't really want to do that stuff, but feel that it's their
    only option.

    There are hundreds, if not thousands, of potential ways
    to make money online. You don't always need to be a good
    writer, that's for sure.

    In fact, writing often doesn't come into it.

    Ever heard of being a broker/agent?
    Or maybe offering a technical service?
    Or providing a tool/software?

    You need to be able to communicate, but
    you don't always need to be able to write/
    create eBooks/blogs.

    Just something to think about. Sometimes
    a person can get stuck because they're fishing
    in the wrong ocean.
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  • Profile picture of the author ancor
    But you would have to bear in mind other aspects not related directly to Internet.

    I explain: do You like to work for you?

    Have you commercial spirit?

    Have you commercial knowledge?

    Can you take like a business?

    You know all the time it goes to do a profitable business?

    Are ready to sacrifice yourself?

    Are ready to wait?

    Are ready to invest the necessary thing to start the business?

    Have clear the goals of your business?

    These questions are alone a muestra of the hundreds of them that you would have to appear.

    I wish a lot of luck you.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffreyanderson
    Tons of awesome information in this thread, wanted to toss in my own two-cents based on my experience.

    First, if you want to make money fast, provide some sort of service like article writing. There are tons of people looking for article writing on places like craigslist and even on here, and if you offer a reasonable price you will get lots of takers.

    Second, if you want to make big money in the IM niche, you really have to work hard and stick with it. You mentioned in 2010 you started again and quit by march?? That's hardly enough time to expect any results, it took me 7 months before I made a single penny online.

    You have to figure out how to make money to support yourself however you can, and make your IM business something that you do without expecting money for the meantime. Stick with it, do the right things, learn, learn, learn... You have to approach it like a business, and there are universities for business students... so realize you have to educate yourself on the internet in order to expect any real success.

    Bottom line... stick with it no matter how little you are making, and one day it'll pay off. Making a living online is TOUGH work!

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I will throw my 2 cents in. Learn Internet Marketing at an expert level and write your ticket for life. Look at learning Internet Marketing like college. Who goes to college and 6 months into their Freshman year, they make $100K a year. Nobody....
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  • Profile picture of the author brandonbaker
    I think another problem that a lot of beginner internet marketers run into is that they tend to be overachievers much too fast. There is no need to "get rich" in your first 6 months of doing business online. Most IMers try to get rich--AKA target the most difficult keywords they can find--and they get discouraged because there are people out there doing what they have been doing except even better and for a longer time.

    I would advise anyone starting off to go for medium traffic long tail keywords. Start with trying to rank a Squidoo lens. My big mistake was taking 4 months in creating a site that was pretty and shiny and brand spanking new, when all I had to do was create a Web 2.0 property to realize that most of my work should go into off-site optimization and not on-site optimization.

    You live and learn, but my advice is START SMALL.
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  • Profile picture of the author WhamSoft
    Edison failed thousands of times before creating the electric light bulb, you should never give up!

    You wrote 40 articles and that did not work and so you created 500 articles! why would you do that?

    You need to do lots of small test to find stuff that does work and then scale up the method.

    Just keep at it, please don't give up it. You can make it online but you need to be persistant.

    Someone once said "the temptation to quit will be greatest when your most likley to succeed"

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  • Profile picture of the author japam
    This thread is really good for a beginner like me, so much good and inspiring idea. Just need to do a good research and focus on my goal
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  • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
    If it helps you AT ALL.. Let me tell you about myself...

    I started in 2008.. Sure I havent been busting my ass for 2 straight years because at first I gave up like you.

    I've created over 25 websites. They were all FAIL.

    I did everything.. Tried to create a Clickbank product.. wrote articles.. affiliate work.. etc..

    Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail

    But guess what?

    I take a look at my website today. The website I am currently working on.. Then I look back at the website I VERY first made...

    And I just smile.. the difference in quality is AMAZING! The sites I create today, actually looks like sites! They look good!

    Now I make some money here and there, but I don't make enough to live off of (not yet)

    But seeing the improvement I've made from 2008 to now, I am very sure that 1 day I will be able to live off of this.

    I understand some people pick it up very fast and are making a living within the first year.... then you got people like me.. where it is a slow and steady ride, nothing wrong with that.

    So if you are feeling down and out man, just look at me and what I've been thru!
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  • Profile picture of the author chasnsx
    Jesse: It took me a year from the time I put up my first website and started making videos to the time I saw dime one of income from the web. I focused on one niche, one topic, and I focused on building traffic to my videos and my site. Since then it has taken six more months to get to the $150 per month level with one site and one series of videos. Now I am starting to branch out into other areas, doing what the folks here call "rinse and repeat."

    What you need to do is find one thing, one area that you are good at and interested in, and STAY WITH IT! If things go wrong or don't work, do what the engineers call "failure analysis." Isolate what went wrong and fix it and try again until things start working.

    It's not easy, and there are a lot of times when wading into the muck and dealing with the failures will feel worse than having a day job.

    One last thing: if you buy a "system" from someone, expecting to just do what they say and the cash will start rolling in:

    Let's substitute "Internet" for "Auto Repair." If someone was selling you a complete set of mechanic's tools and auto repair manuals, is that all you would need to go into business and stay in business? Think about it. Web marketing is a business like any other, and only a fool would approach it any differently from opening a storefront in a new part of town.
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  • Profile picture of the author lamberw
    Most of the responses here are banging on about use this tactic or that tactic to make money.

    No! They're all band aid solutions and will leave you with your problem!

    I will give it to you how you need to hear it (although it may hurt)...

    Your mindset stinks!

    Sorry, but it does. If you're going to try a couple of things, give in for a few months then come back and give it another go, you don't have the necessary resilience, drive, determination and persistence to make any real money online.

    I would suggest you consume as much material about personal development such as Tony Robbins, Robert Kiyosaki and T Harv Eker as you can. You should also catch some of the mindset videos on my blog given by the likes of Will Smith, Oprah Winfrey and Steve Jobs.

    Good luck and take some advice from Winston Churchill "Never, never, never Give Up."
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  • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
    Yeah - I'll sound like a broken record here. It takes hard work and lots of time.

    The IM niche isn't the only niche that sells false hopes, either. How about weight loss? If this was a weight loss forum, you could easily spin the topic - "I've failed to lose weight twice now, and this is my last shot". But, just like in weight loss, the super crazy workout and diet that your friend lost 50 pounds on may not bring you the same results.

    Find something for you that you enjoy and want to put your focus in and don't rush into it expecting everything overnight. Just like a starting a diet, you want to slowly bring yourself into it, rather than eating pizza and chicken wings 7 days a week and suddenly changing your eating habits overnight. Chances are, you'll be back to the chicken wings and pizza soon.

    Once you find a method, study the weak points. Maybe your keywords weren't converting. Were you building backlinks? What was your goal - to rank on the SE's or bring in traffic with articles only? What about your sales copy on your website? Did you read through it in the "customers" mindset? Would you read your own copy and be sold? All of these things need consistent tweaking and refinement.

    We can all point you in a certain direction, but it's best to create your own path. Just like I said with my "dieting" example, following what other people say is like a yo-yo diet. You try something that one person said worked for them, find out it didn't work for you and move onto the next thing. Just stick to a SOLID techinique and PLAN and go from there. Without that, I wouldn't expect much, and that's the truth.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lemy Yusento
    Hi,

    I agree with Andyhenry. You should find a regular job first to support your monthly needs. Building internet income takes time and patience. It may be resulting huge results at the end, but now, at the point you begin, it absorb your efforts, thoughts, patience, money, and your time.

    When i read your post here, it seems that you have the Winner spirit. I can tell you this, because in that condition you mention to us, i might not want to touch "online-income-stuff" anymore.

    But, since you have the spirit, i am 99% sure you will find your own way to get your online-success you want.

    You may want to hear Andy's suggestion to find a regular job, then keep doing your internet business. You also may want to spend your money online wisely. Also don't get caught into so many offers there that promise you "get-rich-quick".

    So, Enjoy your success journey.

    Hope this help,

    -Lemy
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  • Profile picture of the author agababryn
    Find one way of earning income online it may be affiliate programs, amazon , ebay ,forums and they are plenty of ways then stick to one and start learning with that i mean reading books,articles and other stuff on what you chose it will be in less time you start seeing some results.
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  • Profile picture of the author speedylikesKJ
    Originally Posted by jessejaymes View Post

    Hey everyone, my name is Jesse. Early in 2009, I began job hunting because I've been broke for a very, very long time. With little success and dead-end jobs just barely getting me by, I searched the internet in search of a money source. On my search I came across numerous "get rich quick schemes" and "make money from email spamming schemes" which didn't work out too well, and sucked the last bits of money out of my already broke pocket.

    Eventually, I came across a website called Wealthy Affiliates, skimmed through all the 1,000,000,00$ stories and was conviced.. which was also at that point, my last hope.

    There was nothing to lose, I only had about 7$ in my bank account, and at the time the site sign up fee was only 1$ so, I took the plunge. I learned about IM with artical marketing, clickbank, and basics on affiliation.

    I made articles (around 40 or so) and never made a dime from a single one

    after a few months I gave up.




    Fast forward to 2010 - Still barely getting by, I was gonna give it another shot. I was going to go all out. I had little cash it the bank but it was enough to pay for a website, hosting and a professional team to write me 500 articles for a price.

    Not a dime was made. the website was taken down and I wasted about 300$ or more dollars.

    I gave it all up around march 2010.



    Now im back for 1 more round, forgot most of what I learned, and want to start fresh, I don't care if I make a few dollars, I just want it to work out.

    I'm willing to put in the hard work, just need the proper guidance to set me on the right path.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    There is no 'last' try in internet marketing business. And if you are determined that it will be your last, then I can not guarantee your success.

    See the whole IM is standing on just one thing, that is 'learning from mistakes'

    Your first two attempts may fail, but you sure learned some good lessons. These will help you when you are starting new campaign.

    Just remember even the 'Google' did not start to earn profit from day one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elsoft
    You should watch this.


    If you still want to quit.Go ahead...
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  • Profile picture of the author benzwm02
    You should be happy after 2 failed attempts, it only means you are learning more and your closer to actually making money on the internet! Most of the very experienced internet marketers on the warrior forum and beyond have failed many many times before finally finding a formula that actually worked.
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  • Profile picture of the author HelpingYouBeAnExpert
    You are going to give up? I guest I'm a stupid idiot I failed way more then twice and didn't give up until I made it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    Another thought - so many of the most successful guys in business go completely broke 2, 3, 4, 5 times before making it. Persistence, knowledge, and energy applied over a long amount of time is the way to succeed. And don't spend your money on a bunch of stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    "The only failure is not trying."

    Any successful endeavor is a process,
    not a one shot deal.

    SO, keep on your journey to some kind of
    self-employment. Maybe it's creating and
    selling your own stuff or marketing other
    peoples' stuff, or providing internet marketing services.

    OR, maybe it's providing some other product or service
    via the internet or offline.

    Also, it seems more likely that people are successful
    when they are offering goods or services they believe in,
    and/or are passionate about. Peruse the internet or the offline
    yellow pages and write down the products or services that peak your
    interests.

    "Find something you are good at and get better at it."

    Suppose you have one blog, or one hotel you own, or whatever,
    it's going to be a constant effort to keep it successful.

    A mix of managing and marketing the BUSINESS and
    getting new, repeat, and referral business.

    (And, as an example in the case of blogging, there is a
    respected SEO expert Warrior who took a year to get 15
    blogs in different niches to the point where they make
    about $1000/mo each. And, I don't believe they are on autopilot.)

    Hope this helps and keep taking steps and keep your mind open
    to opportunities that are right for you.

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  • Profile picture of the author jkuhry
    Jessie,,, dont give up,,, Ive been there and still think about giving up.. but dont,, Im new to the WF but have been marketing online for over 3 years,, I have made about $4,000 over the whole 3 year period.. I guess the thing that starting working for me just recently was finding the right keywords and learning how to put them in your articles.. correctly.. traffic is the key my friend.. Im also working on my first WSO and hoping this will be a turning point.. Dont lose your vision of success!
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