Who Do You Follow????? (Guru)

13 years ago

Following Guru's?

Should you follow a "Guru" who likes to flaunt their apparent success or "secret system" or is it better to learn from marketers at a more realistic level?

I know which I've had more success with over the years.

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Martin2010

13 years ago

Hi Neil,

Yes good question but i have had a good response from some of the above and wondered if anyone was doing the same and if so who with?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin2010

Hi Neil,

Yes good question but i have had a good response from some of the above and wondered if anyone was doing the same and if so who with?

None at all, but then why?

I recognise the names you have quoted but aren't several of them associated with hypey product launches at click bank?

At least Mike Filisaime does have one or 2 solid services.

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ExRat

13 years ago

Hi,

No offence to anyone, but in my opinion, the day people stop 'following' anyone and start to find things out for themselves is when they have made the switch from consumer to seller - IE from using the internet to spend money to using the internet to make money.

Of course, many get stuck in a blurry middle-section in between the two, which in most cases is probably just the same as being a consumer.

Knowing that these people that are followed are only there to sell and very often don't have the best of intentions - in some cases 'faking it till they make it' - choosing to follow them is a bit like following the shepherd to the abbatoir. In other words, it's often better to be hopelessly lost but still trying to find your own way.

There are a lot of websites out there - many of them making good money, with owners who don't say a word about how well they are doing. But it's impossible to hide the details from those who go out there with the intention of finding those sites, examining and reverse-engineering them and taking notes about exactly what they are doing in order to succeed.

Some who have dispensed with/overcome the consumer mindset wouldn't base their business decisions on the advice of info-peddlers - even if they were paid to have the info, let alone having to pay for it.

Trust yourself and your instincts, don't trust anyone else when it comes to your livelihood and future prospects, unless you have given them a lot of time to prove themselves and plenty of opportunity to slip up.

Some food for thought.

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pyles

13 years ago

So true.

I stopped reading bs products and the same how to guide over and over again and started doing, started writing, and stopped buying products and have made 100x more money since I stopped.

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Hi,

No offence to anyone, but in my opinion, the day people stop 'following' anyone and start to find things out for themselves is when they have made the switch from consumer to seller - IE from using the internet to spend money to using the internet to make money.

Of course, many get stuck in a blurry middle-section in between the two, which in most cases is probably just the same as being a consumer.

Knowing that these people that are followed are only there to sell and very often don't have the best of intentions - in some cases 'faking it till they make it' - choosing to follow them is a bit like following the shepherd to the abbatoir. In other words, it's often better to be hopelessly lost but still trying to find your own way.

There are a lot of websites out there - many of them making good money, with owners who don't say a word about how well they are doing. But it's impossible to hide the details from those who go out there with the intention of finding those sites, examining and reverse-engineering them and taking notes about exactly what they are doing in order to succeed.

Some who have dispensed with/overcome the consumer mindset wouldn't base their business decisions on the advice of info-peddlers - even if they were paid to have the info, let alone having to pay for it.

Trust yourself and your instincts, don't trust anyone else when it comes to your livelihood and future prospects, unless you have given them a lot of time to prove themselves and plenty of opportunity to slip up.

Some food for thought.

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jasonmorgan

13 years ago

None.

Why? I'm not an idiot. I don't need to follow the herd. I don't need to worship a bunch of jackwagons who only make money selling 'how to make money' products.

Only guru's and their blind flock promote the idea of following a guru. The rest of us, we're doing just fine on our own.

The guru mentality is like religion on crack.

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NeilC

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

None.

Why? I'm not an idiot. I don't need to follow the herd. I don't need to worship a bunch of jackwagons who only make money selling 'how to make money' products.

Only guru's and their blind flock promote the idea of following a guru. The rest of us, we're doing just fine on our own.

The guru mentality is like religion on crack.

Spot on!

Following an IM "Guru" is like trying to follow some super successful millionaire and hoping they'll give you the same results.

Seems to be fewer around than a couple of years ago too?

Maybe it's not about who you should try to follow but who you can learn from and then using that to find YOUR OWN path to the success that YOU want.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

None.

Why? I'm not an idiot. I don't need to follow the herd. I don't need to worship a bunch of jackwagons who only make money selling 'how to make money' products.

Only guru's and their blind flock promote the idea of following a guru. The rest of us, we're doing just fine on our own.

The guru mentality is like religion on crack.

I could not have said this any better myself.

Why be a sheep? Don't follow anyone. Keep doing your own thing and the money will come.

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E. Brian Rose

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

None.

Why? I'm not an idiot. I don't need to follow the herd. I don't need to worship a bunch of jackwagons who only make money selling 'how to make money' products.

If you think that the strategies taught by legitimate marketing experts can only be used in the "make money online" niche, then you are looking at things with closed eyes.

The MMO niche is a hard nut to crack, but if you can do it there, then you can do it anywhere. The same selling techniques can be used to sell an eczema remedy or hearing aid.

I find that this thread is in many different directions and not very useful at all. Why? Because some people are taking the word "follow" as if it means joining a cult, while others take it to mean "who have you learned from". There is nothing wrong with learning tactics here and there from people that do something better than you do. Anybody that disagrees with that has a serious character flaw.

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souravdas32000

13 years ago

My Guru is the Warrior forum and all the great members in it. It is the best place to learn about online money making.

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jasonmorgan

13 years ago

I'll change my mind... Mark Zuckerburg.

Took an idea and made billions.

It wasn't a new idea and according to some it wasn't even his idea. Irregardless, he is more successful than any sham IM guru.

If you need a guru... find a real success. Not someone who claims success on an internet forum and especially not somebody who wants to sell you something. If somebody is selling 'make money online' products, I'll betcha the only money they make is selling those products to naive newbies and IM failures.

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E. Brian Rose

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

I'll change my mind... Mark Zuckerburg.

Took an idea and made billions.

It wasn't a new idea and according to some it wasn't even his idea. Irregardless, he is more successful than any sham IM guru.

If you need a guru... find a real success. Not someone who claims success on an internet forum and especially not somebody who wants to sell you something. If somebody is selling 'make money online' products, I'll betcha the only money they make is selling those products to naive newbies and IM failures.

1. Irregardless is not a word (pet peeve

2. I hate the word "guru", so let's call them "experts".

There is nothing wrong with following the advice of an expert, as long as it is sound advice. There are experts in all fields that sell information or training.

Car dealers buy books on being a better salesman all the time. Does that make them stupid?

If a chef buys a book or course on advanced sauce making techniques, does that make him inept?

There is no difference with Internet marketers buying training on marketing techniques. Sure, there are some shady "experts" out there, but a little due diligence can weed out what is worth paying for and what is not.

Making blanket statements that buying a course is not the right thing to do is just bad advice.

This is, of course, my opinion. Your opinions may vary.

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Bruce Wedding 13 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

I'll change my mind... Mark Zuckerburg.

Took an idea and made billions.

By took, I assume you mean "stole".

Don't do what the gurus say, do what they do.
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DogScout

13 years ago

Just not a good follower, I guess.

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Martin2010

13 years ago

WOW you guys rock and none of you follow the crowd. You should all be proud and i hope your all making money too.

This is why i love the Warriors because no matter what happens i always get a great response for you giuys and most of the time it's positive.

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E. Brian Rose

13 years ago

Whoever you follow, make sure that you are learning lessons that are based on case study and not theory. Ask them to show you case studies.

Any guru can jot a few lessons down and say, "Ya, I think that would work," but that is nothing more than theory. The same goes when buying a course or WSO. Ask the seller for case study before implementing something that may not be real.

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Terryc7 13 years ago

Thanks E BrianRose & others follow your gut for what its worth I do watch the experts trends etc but yes get some thing thats hot do your version and sell it, thanks guys
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MCD

13 years ago

Daegan Smith, because the man is truly a F#@&ing genius. I've peeped his systems for a good while now, and seen how to run an internet business successfully. I once bought a 97 dollar introductory membership to his inner circle program, and at the time I was just getting into the whole internet marketing bid, so I didn't really know the jewels he was placing in my hands. I have to say that I was very impressed by the whole process he has in place, which continues to make him money to this day. The thing that sucks is I got a ticket, so I had to get the refund and pay that off. But, the membership to his program gave me a solid foundation, and a solid mental frame for the upcoming battle.

If anyone would like to see what I'm talking about then click the link in my sig, and just go through the funnel. I believe you learn the most from watching other internet marketers who know what they're doing. That's why I like to go through their funnels, just to see what they are doing, and see whether or not anything is worth noting.

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StephanieMojica

13 years ago

I follow Christian Mickelsen and Kathleen Gage; to a lesser extent people David Bach and Tony Robbins. I'm definitely my own person, but all four of these people have made incredible money at their respective niches and I like to try to emulate at least some elements of successful people.

Peace,
Stephanie

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

I don't "follow" anyone in particular, but there are some people I tend to pay more attention to. However, I'm open to getting ideas from everyone, "guru" or not.

My biggest successes (note the plural) only came AFTER I stopped falling for/following the guru du jour.

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Richard Van

13 years ago

MCD If anyone would like to see what I'm talking about then click the link in my sig, and just go through the funnel. I believe you learn the most from watching other internet marketers who know what they're doing. That's why I like to go through their funnels, just to see what they are doing, and see whether or not anything is worth noting.

I assume by this you mean their sales funnels? How exactly do you offset the cost of going through a guru's sales funnel over and over? I assume your making a lot of money in which case, you probably don't need to keep going through those funnels.

I have to say that I was very impressed by the whole process he has in place, which continues to make him money to this day

I'm sure it does with such loyal followers. As ExRat very eloquently put it though, going it alone and figuring it out is the switch from consumer to seller. I gave up following the so called guru's a while back. I now get excellent advice from very experienced marketers in this forum. It also costs me significantly less and makes me a lot of friends of very like minded people along the way, that I can actually ask for advice, as opposed to a help desk.

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rome9t9

13 years ago

I don't follow a guru per se. But, I take tips and advices from anyone whom I find is true and really an expert.

I have absorbed knowledge from many wonderful people like my brother(motivation and self discipline), Paul Hancox(copywriting), Terry Kyle(link building), JamesTheJust(article spinning and IM tools), Ryan Deiss, Eben Pagan, Michael Campbell(Mininet), Will Spencer and many more.

These are the names that I remember and there are many more.

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jasonmorgan

13 years ago

So the follow up questions to those of you who are following a guru...

A) Are you making six figures ($xxx,xxx) a year or more based on the teaching or system of that guru?

B) Does that system involve something other than selling 'make money online' information and products.

I could be wrong and maybe there are a couple of guru's who shouldn't be stung up and lynched.

If you can't answer YES to both A and B, I think you're worshiping a false god.

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E. Brian Rose

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

So the follow up questions to those of you who are following a guru...

A) Are you making six figures (,xxx) a year or more based on the teaching or system of that guru?

B) Does that system involve something other than selling 'make money online' information and products.

I could be wrong and maybe there are a couple of guru's who shouldn't be stung up and lynched.

If you can't answer YES to both A and B, I think you're worshiping a false god.

First, I don't think that you need to make six figures or else be told that you are following a false god. There are plenty of people that are happy making much less.

Now, to answer your question...

I took a course several years ago about marketing medical equipment. I put those techniques to use and very nice income from what I learned. I sold the business for a nice profit, as well.

While I did have respect for my teacher, I certainly wasn't worshiping him, as you put it.

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Roy Penrod 13 years ago

I don't "follow" the gurus, but I pay close attention to what they're doing. You can learn a lot from it.

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RentItNow

13 years ago

I did follow a few when starting out that said, "they make money in other niches beside 'make money niche'" but as I see their history, that is not necessarily true. This was important to me as I do not really want to get into the making money niche...but instead realistic niches that anyone can make money from.

Saying that, I still do follow John Carlton as he is more a copy guru than make money guru and that to me is the most important lesson I can learn right now (better conversions thru refined salesletters).

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Martin2010

13 years ago

WOW i must be on my own following these guys.

I'm suprosed that no-one know's these people and if they have then maybe their thoughts on them?

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DireStraits

13 years ago

I've never really strictly followed any "guru method", or had any formal mentoring.

I tend to make up my own plan of action, derived from and forged as a result of advice from different sources who I've determined (as best as I can) to be authentic and credible, coupled with a lot of general observing and weighing up what seems best, for myself.

Whenever I take advice from people, I always exercise a degree of scrutiny, and do some research into whatever they recommend.

It might be a bad idea to blindly follow, since it's possible some "gurus" don't really know what they're talking about, don't practise what they preach (and may never have done), or are intentionally trying to mislead.

It happens.

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mathmo

13 years ago

I follow Matt Cutts, wouldn't calling him a "money making guru" however... but still a damn useful guy to follow to keep up to date

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Vogin 13 years ago

You'll know you're successful when someone says your name in threads like this one...

Seriously now, stay away from anyone who calls himself / herself a Guru - for one, the term has a really bad reputation and secondly, that's something others should impose or you, otherwise you look like a blatant asshole.

My favorite is Ed Dale - funny, regular and friendly guy.
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techvic

13 years ago

Ever heard the quote "Those who can DO and those who can't TEACH" ?

It's a generalization of course, but in the majority of cases it's true.

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E. Brian Rose 13 years ago

Originally Posted by techvic

Ever heard the quote "Those who can DO and those who can't TEACH" ?

It's a generalization of course, but in the majority of cases it's true.

I teach marketing, because I love to teach. I caught the fever from my wife, who is an elementary school teacher.

I have had years of success online, but none of the businesses that I was involved in gave me the rush that I get from teaching. You have no idea what a great feeling it is to get an email from somebody that says that you have changed their life.

I can do and I teach too.
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AdmiralGloom

13 years ago

I've read so many sources I think I just started picking here and picking there because I don't like choosing the exact path I like to toy and manipulate as much as I can looking for better variables

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Martin2010

13 years ago

With all of the above then is it good to start with one of these so called experts and then go your own way or would you suggest to stay well clear?

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AdmiralGloom 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin2010

With all of the above then is it good to start with one of these so called experts and then go your own way or would you suggest to stay well clear?

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Martin2010

13 years ago

Tell me more Roy????????

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Roy Penrod

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin2010

Tell me more Roy????????

I just pay attention to the tactics certain experts use.

I watch their videos, read their sales letters, follow their product launches.

I try to figure out why the stuff they're doing works and how I can apply it to my own situation.

Why does a certain video make me trust them? Why does the sales letter get me excited? How are they using social media during this product launch?

How often do they send emails? How does a particular email make me feel about them? What subject lines really made me want to open the email right now?

So rather than just listen to what someone says, I watch what they do and my own reactions to it.

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Roy Penrod

I just pay attention to the tactics certain experts use.

I watch their videos, read their sales letters, follow their product launches.

I try to figure out why the stuff they're doing works and how I can apply it to my own situation.

Why does a certain video make me trust them? Why does the sales letter get me excited? How are they using social media during this product launch?

How often do they send emails? How does a particular email make me feel about them? What subject lines really made me want to open the email right now?

So rather than just listen to what someone says, I watch what they do and my own reactions to it.

Roy

More good stuff from you Roy.

In other words you don't follow, you watch and apply rather than follow blindly. This is the point I was making earlier. You are standing on your own two feet. You're able to cut through the fluff and use what they do to benefit yourself. You're not a customer, rather a seller watching what works and applying it to your own business model. In my own humble opinion, for where I am in life, this model works. I don't believe in following. Modelling is good, learning is good, watching what the successful do and applying it to your life is good. Blindly following and admiring isn't, it is, I might add, rather expensive. Not just monetarily but for your business.

There is a big difference between following (admiring unstintingly) a guru/expert/successful person... and learning from them and testing to see if it works for your business.

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Roy Penrod 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

I don't believe in following. Modelling is good, learning is good, watching what the successful do and applying it to your life is good.

Exactly! Well said, Richard.

And thanks for the kind words. They're always appreciated.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

There are a few different ways to use the word "follow," and I don't think everyone in the thread is going with the same meaning.

There are a few people I "follow" in the sense of making an effort to read most of what they have to say. That's something they've earned, by virtue of providing information that's consistently useful and productive for me.

I don't "follow" anyone in the sense of taking what they say as automatically true and fit for my purposes, or as being necessarily better than anyone else's info on the same topic. On the flip side of that, I'm willing to learn from anyone.

The word "guru" has been so badly misused that it no longer carries any useful meaning in this group.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

There are a few different ways to use the word "follow," and I don't think everyone in the thread is going with the same meaning.

There are a few people I "follow" in the sense of making an effort to read most of what they have to say. That's something they've earned, by virtue of providing information that's consistently useful and productive for me.

I don't "follow" anyone in the sense of taking what they say as automatically true and fit for my purposes, or as being necessarily better than anyone else's info on the same topic. On the flip side of that, I'm willing to learn from anyone.

The word "guru" has been so badly misused that it no longer carries any useful meaning in this group.

Paul

Hi Paul,

Just a point on semantics, an observation.

The word 'guru' has a useful meaning, but only to the person using it. Taken in context, you can usually get a pretty good idea of what the word means.

In this thread I get the impression that the OP uses it in a neutral sense, others in positive sense, and others as an excuse to spout the all-too-common vitriol hurled at marketers.

That being said, I do agree that there is no single defintion of the word that the group agrees on.

All the best,
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Martin2010

13 years ago

Sweet thanks for the heads up and yes i'm seriously thinking about it but could you tell me more about what is based inside?

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13 years ago

I love Jay Abraham's books. Have been putting his ideas to good use, both on and offline. Currently following Jimmy D Brown. Was looking into his memberaire tutorials and BAM, this is the guy I want to learn from in building membership sites.

I guess you need to look for inspiration from people who have been there done that and learn from them. I see them as 'mentors' rather than blindly following them like an idol.

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LetsGoViral

13 years ago

Answering your question, I follow my heart.

But seriously, if you want to follow someone, why not choose the best of the best? Bill Gates maybe?

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13 years ago

Vita Vee & Mark dulliese are both very good

they always provide values to their list, not just spamming with aff links

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merlincat 13 years ago

I started out doing intern with Terry Dean and joined his monthly mentoring club.

However, now I know that most things are somewhere on WF if you spend sometime looking (and it's cheaper!)
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drrhudy

13 years ago

To-date, I've found the Internet Marketing Center (Cori Rudl's brain-child) to provide the best information. Although I didn't earn any money with their program, but I learned a great deal about the mechanics of IM.

I am also extremely impressed with Jim Paris' ongoing IM coaching program (i.e., ChristianInternetIncome.com). He provides more "bang-for-your-buck" than any IM-mentor I've found.

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DireStraits

13 years ago

Originally Posted by drrhudy

For those of you who wish to proclaim, "Loser!" from the housetops, I will be willing to pay anyone who is capable of revealing a way in which I can make money online (i.e., $1,000.00/month or more) without merely promoting products to other aspiring IMs.

Uhhhh ... you can make $1,000/month by promoting products to people in many niches outside of the "make money online"/"internet marketing" niche, you know.

Go hit the Clickbank marketplace, for instance. Not every product there pertains to making money online, or making money at all.

I'm just getting up and running with Clickbank properly myself, having come from an AdSense and physical product affiliate-marketing background (and btw, you can easily make over $1000/month from that, too, with a bit of work!).

Point being, it's absolutely possible to earn over $1k/month, using pretty much any and all of the various business models discussed on this forum.

If you've tried and tried and haven't made a profit yet, you're obviously doing something very, very wrong. And probably multiple things very wrong at that.

If your post and situation is legit, start a new thread here giving more information as to your background and what you've tried, and people will set you on the right path.

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Thanks for that suggestion.
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- bmarketer 13 years ago
  
  I wouldn't follow someone who refers to themself as a "guru".. It seems like a lot of people here are smart enough to have a critical approach to so-called gurus as well, which is good
  
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drrhudy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by DireStraits

Uhhhh ... you can make $1,000/month by promoting products to people in many niches outside of the "make money online"/"internet marketing" niche, you know.

Go hit the Clickbank marketplace, for instance. Not every product there pertains to making money online, or making money at all.

I'm just getting up and running with Clickbank properly myself, having come from an AdSense and physical product affiliate-marketing background (and btw, you can easily make over $1000/month from that, too, with a bit of work!).

Point being, it's absolutely possible to earn over $1k/month, using pretty much any and all of the various business models discussed on this forum.

If you've tried and tried and haven't made a profit yet, you're obviously doing something very, very wrong. And probably multiple things very wrong at that.

If your post and situation is legit, start a new thread here giving more information as to your background and what you've tried, and people will set you on the right path.

DS, I took your advice. If you have any specific recommendations, please check out the WF-thread, "Desperately Seeking IM-Profits!"

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RentItNow

13 years ago

Originally Posted by drrhudy

For those of you who wish to proclaim, "Loser!" from the housetops, I will be willing to pay anyone who is capable of revealing a way in which I can make money online (i.e., $1,000.00/month or more) without merely promoting products to other aspiring IMs.

This is very possible. I am partnered with a guy making $5K to $6K per month consistently and now we are increasing conversions to well above this figure. Totally non-IM, btw.

Want the secret?

I can send it to u for just $19.95 today...kidding.

Secret is you have to find a truly hungry market and not focus on anything else. All they need is someone to put the offer in front of them and it consistently converts about 1% (which represents the number of prospects that are buying at a give time). Its just in the numbers. 1% of a 1 million person market is certainly more than 1% of a 10 thousand people market.

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dula14

13 years ago

I don't get caught up in following "gurus", but rather follow those who I find interesting and who have a unique or fresh approach.

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Dosty

13 years ago

One of the things I try to teach my kids is:

If you want to be successful at something (and that is a whole other ball of wax) find someone who is already doing it. Model what they are doing. Put your own spin on it. Copy it.

For example,

I want my kids to sit at the table and behave during dinner time. I point out to them how other people (their mother and myself) are sitting. They watch that example, model it with their own body posture, and learn an important principal that can be used for teaching kids or to earn money internet marketing.

Want to learn list building? Find someone who is great at it. Model what they do. Apply it. Whether they are a 'guru' or not doesn't really play into it. The questions are:

Are they successful at what they do?
Is this what I wish I was successful at?
What are they doing that is making them successful?
How do I apply my learnings?

We are always learning. We might as well spend that time learning from those who know what they are doing.

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Leslie B

13 years ago

I follow none of the guru's actually. Or better said, I follow no one. I do look up to a few people, most of them can be found here on the WF, but none of them would be labeled a guru. At least, not that I know off.

They are people who are making a full time income, people that made me realize to look beyond the BS a lot of the "guru's" are selling.

So yeah, I don't follow anyone, but I do have people I look up to.

Leslie

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gjabiz 13 years ago

I like to "follow", that is, keep up with or know what they are doing...

LONG term success. Real World success. The kind that can be replicated. Duplicated.

Many "gurus" (OP term, I don't like it, but I'll use it here) leave footprints in the sand which get washed away by the tides of change and time.

What worked for Mr. UltraSuccess of 2007 may be OLD news today, and totally unworkable.

Too many skyrockets, shooting stars burning brightly, albeit shortly in the Internet Sky.

Give me OLD school success. People with a decade long track record. Tested and Proven.

I'm in a Marathon, not a sprint.

Jim Staw, Marlon Sanders, Jimmy Krug come to mind. Melvin Powers, Charles Prosper...and one can learn more by observing what success DOES as opposed to what "gurus" say.

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jasonmorgan

13 years ago

If you think that the strategies taught by legitimate marketing experts can only be used in the "make money online" niche, then you are looking at things with closed eyes.

The MMO niche is a hard nut to crack, but if you can do it there, then you can do it anywhere. The same selling techniques can be used to sell an eczema remedy or hearing aid.

The problem here is legitimate marketing experts.

Too many so-called experts are about as sincere as a used car salesman. They don't care about the client or if the client ever reaches success, all they care about is making the sale.

The industry is also packed with Fake it till you make it and Can't succeed online, Take it Offline scam artists. Not to mention those who'll wrap up junk content and sell it off for $7 a pop.

Looking at a majority of the signatures around here is a prefect example. Earn $10k in 10 weeks... yeah, right buddy.

Or look at the crap you get in your email from whoever's list your on... all you are is a 2% sales statistic.

So, my problem isn't necessarily with experts, coaches, mentors and gurus... it's the hacks who are taking advantage of others to make a quick buck. I happen to believe that this industry has been over-run with them. It's even gotten to such a point that the hacks and scam artists are teaching others how to do the same. Just follow X Y and Z and you'll find a sucker willing to cough up $50. Who cares if it works or not, just make some outrageous claims and fake it till you make it.

And now that I've finished up my rant, I don't mean to lump everyone into this category. There are some people who I feel are legit, here and elsewhere, unfortunately I think they are the minority.

And that in a nutshell is why I think guru's suck. Just internet used car salesmen.

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Martin2010

13 years ago

Roy thanks a billion, you really seem to have a great outlook on life and if i can apply anything of what you try and do then i know i can crack this.

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marcuslim

13 years ago

I recently came across Jason Fladlien's stuff and it blew me away. He tells it like it is, and unlike a lot of so-called experts, Jason always gives great value to customers. For newbies, he always recommends not to follow the advice of a lot of gurus because they are on a different playing field. Rather, he's all about learning a few core skills, and doing those few things really really well, instead of constantly switching from one guru to another.

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forexaffiliate

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin2010

[COLOR=black][FONT=Helvetica]who do you follow and why???

None. Why? I have found my own path and succeeded as an affiliate. I don't have time for Twitter (unless it's an automated marketing project...).. life is too short and all my work is online, so I prefer to keep my private life offline.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

This really depends on what you mean by "follow."

I don't have any guru that I trail around behind like a faithful dog, buying whatever he releases and doing whatever he tells me.

But I have a number of gurus that I watch closely, examining what they do and why they do it, so I can find new and better strategies for my own business.

Some of them are big names. Jason Fladlien, Kevin Riley, Frank Kern.

Some of them are largely "under the radar" but do a lot of business. John Alanis, Dennis Becker, George Sepich.

And some of them are "WTF, why?" kind of names that people don't even think of as gurus. Right here in this forum, I pay close attention to AFI, nichescape, and Sheryl Polomka.

There's a lot you can learn watching other people, and it doesn't make you part of the herd to pay attention.

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jeffreyanderson

13 years ago

Like so many say here, I don't necessarily "follow", but I have chosen a few guys/gals that I feel run their online businesses like I would like to run mine.

When starting out I watched Sean Mize (article marketing expert), Yaro Starak (blogging expert), and then Alex Jeffreys.

I never spent money with these guys, but instead watched how they ran their businesses and learned what I could from them. Each of these guys is responsible for my success today in some way or another.

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CyberSorcerer

13 years ago

Personally I don't follow, so called Guru's, just to be following them. If I follow anybody I have a REALLY good reason too.

Yes I understand Guru's have a lot of followers, but problem is those followers are not my target market so the traffic doesn't me nothing except lower my CTR's, conversion numbers, and everything else.

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Jeff Walker 13 years ago

I spend a not-so-small fortune every year learning
from experts. I'm talking about tens of thousands per
year.

I also pay the people on my team another small
fortune to learn from experts to bring that
learning into my business.

One of the most important lessons I ever learned
in my life (and I was way too old when I learned
this... stupid, stupid me) was that no matter what
I wanted to learn or achieve in my life, there was
someone who spent a big chunk of their life
devoted to learning about that topic.

You want to learn to meditate? There are world
class experts. Play piano... there are world class
experts. Paddle a kayak down Class 5 whitewater?
There are world class experts.

So if I wanted to cut my learning time by HUGE
AMOUNTS, all I had to do was identify that person
and learn from them. This has literally cut my
learning time in many different areas by years.
This works in just about any type of area -
hobbies, sports, business, spirituality...
whatever.

I have used this theory over and over in my
business... and it's been going pretty well for
quite a while now. Of course, there are things you
have to watch for when you're finding the experts
that you want to learn from... but in my
experience, this is the fastest and surest path to
success. And, in my observation, it's the path
that the most successful people tend to follow.

- Jeff

P.S. As I type this, I'm sitting in the airport,
waiting to board a plane to go spend a week
learning from a true world-class expert. I truly
hope I never start thinking I'm "too cool for
school"... because that will be the beginning of
the end.
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- CyberSorcerer 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jeff Walker
  
  I spend a not-so-small fortune every year learning
  from experts. I'm talking about tens of thousands per
  year.
  
  This I've done too Jeff, as a matter of fact your PLF was one of them.
  
  Myself, I specialized in SEO and SEM and from there ventured off into everything else I could learn from flipping domains to autoblogging and purchased EVERY product along the way to help me learn.
  
  Some were good others not so much but that's the nature of the beast. When you first start out you don't know what good or not, or what works or doesn't work. The bottom line is you have to get out there are do something. Put the knowledge you've purchase to use and see what happens.
  
  A rule to remember is:
  
  "Don't ask 'How' or 'When' questions before answering 'Why' first.
  
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drmani

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin2010

So the big question is who do you follow and why??? J

Jay Abraham.

Because EVERYTHING he has taught me just WORKS - when it is put to use.

All success
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nelaffiliate

13 years ago

I don't follow any "Guru". Everyone is learning out there and they want to make money too, so I even though I listen to the tips and advice from various marketers.... I can say I follow anyone in particular.

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