New here, and a bit overwhelmed

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Hi everyone,
I'm new to this IM thing and wanted to throw out there what I've been doing so far and see if I'm on the right track. I'm always interested any tips, tricks, or suggestions. So feel free to fire away.
Over the past few weeks, my unemployment has run out, I've sent thousands of resumes into the black hole so it seems, and I'm looking for new options. I started by writing articles for a flat fee per word through a site where all the legwork is done for you. I'm still doing this to get consistent money I can directly control to make sure bills get paid.
As I looked around and researched, I quickly realized that I'm writing these tedious articles to make other people money. Last week, my brother contacted me, wanting to collaborate. He's been trying to get an IM business off the ground for a while now and has done a good bit of infrastructure work already, starting an LLC, purchasing some tools, training videos, etc.
We've already come to the conclusion that we ultimately want to create our own training tools and market them through what is hopefully an already successful system. But, that comes later. First comes the effort at building a solid income. We've decided to focus our initial efforts at putting up pre-made squeeze pages as the process is fairly quick and simple to follow. Once these pages are out there, funnel traffic to them by creating backlinks anywhere we can using traffic tools that he has already purchased.
So, as a novice, I offer this up in hopes that the folks here can give us some advice, tell us if we're headed the right direction, or at least offer some encouragement.

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
    You're on the right track, and it's nice that you're going into this with the help and support of your brother. Two heads are better than one.

    Backlinking can take a few months to work, so if you're struggling to make money now you should continue writing articles to make some money too.

    A make or break factor for you can be the keywords that you choose to promote. If you pick keywords with little or no traffic...in a few months you still wont be making much. If you pick the right keywords in a few months you can both be doing pretty good.

    If you're an american and you can write you can make some good money here on the warrior forum selling your articles too. Plus you won't have to sell your articles for peanuts...people are willing to pay for quality writing. If your writing is persuasive you can write sales copy for pretty good money too.

    Once you and your brother have a few landing pages up, you can look for joint venture partners here on the warrior forum too. They can really help you build your list, but first you have to be ready to provide something of value to their readers.

    You're on the right path, just keep goin for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mehak
    hi, firstly welcome to the online business industry! I am sorry about your employment but everything happens for a reason, maybe this is your future! You seem very determined and motivated I hope it all goes well for you
    You are on track in terms of your strategy however a few tips would be:
    Make your squeeze page a bit personal by adding a video/picture/personal story of you.
    It's good to have some backlinks to your site but I would recommend choosing 4-5 different marketing strategies so you're targeting different people and if one doesn't go well for you, you can rely on other methods.
    In addition to this use google keyword tool for ideas of which keywords to rank for. It's a great tool which gives you number of searches carried out for any keyword in the last month.

    I hope it all works out for you and all the best
    TopBusinessQueen
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    I agree that you both seem to have a good plan of action. Hope that you guys have researched the niche and know that there are hungry buyers for it.

    See if your brother is willing to join this forum as well. Maybe look into becoming a War Room member too. Keep reading this forum because there are lots of knowledgeable people around.
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  • Profile picture of the author kcom
    On top of joining the war room, use the search tool. More than likely any problems you are having have been brought up before and answered right here on WF. Do an advanced search after you have logged in and read your way to saving time.
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    • Profile picture of the author rfasick
      Thanks everyone, it's good to know that we're heading the right direction. Mehak, you mentioned trying 4-5 different marketing strategies aside from backlinking, what do you recommend?
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  • Profile picture of the author Darla
    You are definitely on the right track. Offering services ( e.g. article writing) is definitely one way to make quick cash online to pay the bills each month and keep your head above water. As was mentioned above, if you are a native English speaker and can write good articles you will be able to make a good living selling your article writing services right there on this forum.

    One thing I learned the hard way is that internet marketing can be a sword or a shield. You got to be careful who you take advice from and watch out for the "gurus" and for information overload.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    It sounds like you're definitely on the right track. Don't give up your article writing while trying to get this off the ground, as listbuilding can take a while and may not necessarily generate you the instant income that you need to survive for the time being. This is what Jason Fladlien (a renowned internet marketer) did as well in the beginning when he had to take care of his immediate needs, as well as grow his long-term internet business.

    Just using backlinking may not yield quick enough results for you. Is your overall strategy just ranking these sites at the top of Google? With simple and direct squeeze pages, there may not be enough on-page content for you to rank quickly on the search engines.

    I'd definitely recommend that you try other more reliable forms of traffic, such as facebook ads, solo ads, ad swaps (later on once you've built a small list) and also a social media campaign that incorporates Twitter and Facebook fan/business pages.

    Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author marcuslim
    Why not do what Jason Fladlien did when he first started out? Go to forums that are active in your niche and look for hot topics. Identify one problem and one solution, then write a short report on it, then put up a simple sales page and sell the report for a low price. If you're into the internet marketing niche, here in the Warrior Forum, you can put up Warrior Special Offers (WSOs) to promote your product. Getting traffic this way is definitely faster than doing SEO which can potentially take months to get results.
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    • Profile picture of the author rfasick
      Thanks to everyone for your encouragement and advice thus far. I'm just dropping in to give an update on the progress so far. As most of you already know very well, this is not a quick process, nor is there any magic potion that makes an internet marketing fortune over night. My brother and I have decided to take the early going slow and focus in on one method of doing things.

      Please let me know if this sounds like a solid plan. First, we located a clickbank product that was geared toward a fairly focused audience. Next, we performed some keyword research to locate 10 search terms with reasonable search volume and low competition. We then used these search terms to launch an Adwords campaign. Next comes some article marketing and social bookmarking, then repeat with a couple more products.

      Once we have 3-4 campaigns going, we'll probably spend time building those and trying to optimize the results before adding any more. To build these areas we will continue to use article marketing with additional unique and original material. We are currently learning the ins and outs of SENuke for article distribution and social bookmarking. Any advice, as always, is welcome and appreciated.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by rfasick View Post


        Please let me know if this sounds like a solid plan. First, we located a clickbank product that was geared toward a fairly focused audience. Next, we performed some keyword research to locate 10 search terms with reasonable search volume and low competition. We then used these search terms to launch an Adwords campaign. Next comes some article marketing and social bookmarking, then repeat with a couple more products.
        I think you can pretty much forget about using Google Adwords advertising as Google does not really like advertising for affiliate products. Your traffic will have to come from elsewhere.

        Also, I'd suggest setting up a squeeze page (together with an autoresponder) where you initially direct your traffic, so that you can build your list while you're promoting your affiliate products.

        Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
          Join War Room NOW.

          Get the Warrior Pack by David Bynon (Free in War Room).

          It is detailed HOW TO information from a success.

          OR, spin your wheels and stay frustrated. Your call.

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          • Profile picture of the author rfasick
            Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

            Join War Room NOW.

            Get the Warrior Pack by David Bynon (Free in War Room).

            It is detailed HOW TO information from a success.

            OR, spin your wheels and stay frustrated. Your call.

            gjabiz
            This is what I'm talking about. Thanks for your frankness and the frankness of your signature link. All I need is a plan to follow, time and effort is not a problem.
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            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by rfasick View Post

              This is what I'm talking about. Thanks for your frankness and the frankness of your signature link. All I need is a plan to follow, time and effort is not a problem.
              I think your very next (and probably best) step to take now is to become a War Room member. At $37, it'll pay for itself many times over if you implement the techniques and knowledge you glean from it.

              Paul
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              • Profile picture of the author carlsearch
                Hi everyone, I'm the brother from the above post. Just wanted to say hello and thanks for all of the good advice for us as we are getting started. We'll soon be making some offers in the warriors for hire section to get the ball rolling. Looking forward to being a part of this community.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    Welcome to the forum. It definitely seems like you are on the right path. To have someone to partner with is such a big advantage too (trust me, many of us have family that just think we're crazy).

    Just stay focused and put everything you've got into your business. Have a business plan and follow it through and be persistent.

    You certainly seem to have the right mindset so keep going and you'll get there, just be prepared to do the work and you'll do great!
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    • Profile picture of the author jeffreyanderson
      I think you have the first step of a successful online business right... get a squeeze page, drive traffic to it, and funnel them through your sales process. If I can give one piece of advice that I learned the hard way, I would recommend not throwing away any money with what you think you need to spend it on. There are so many ways to waste money in IM that you really have to be careful, especially as a newbie.

      Driving quality traffic is the most important thing, so by using forums, blogging, writing articles, making friends with the right people, and offering up quality products to entice people to opt-in to your email list you can build your list and once you've mastered these and started making real money online, then you should explore paid options.

      Hope that helps, best of luck and welcome to IM!

      Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author QuinNguyen
    Welcome to the forum rfasick :-)
    It's ok, you will get over it eventually. Beside, everyone is very nice and helpful here
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    Hi there,

    What I think is great about both of you (Hi Carl) is that you are doing something and you are taking the action and not just asking for a free handout of advice - you are trying things and if you keep on the lines you are going then you will make money - although I agree about Pauli888's comment about the Adwords - don't spend money you don't have to if you can help it. Your article marketing can make you more money over the long term and it won't cost you anything but time.

    Best of luck to both of you
    Lisa
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by good2go4 View Post

      Hi there,

      What I think is great about both of you (Hi Carl) is that you are doing something and you are taking the action and not just asking for a free handout of advice - you are trying things and if you keep on the lines you are going then you will make money - although I agree about Pauli888's comment about the Adwords - don't spend money you don't have to if you can help it. Your article marketing can make you more money over the long term and it won't cost you anything but time.

      Best of luck to both of you
      Lisa
      I know that when you're desperate, there is always the temptation to make quick money (hence your probable motivation for wanting to use Adwords), but if you are still unemployed and money is tight, it's far better to take the slow and steady approach that won't bankrupt you.

      Article marketing may not be glamorous or bring in the quick cash, but it is something that snowballs over time if you put in the effort consistently and submit articles daily. Since you still need to pay the bills, forget about paid advertising and instead allocate a portion of each day to writing articles for people, so that you can get the consistent cash to live on.

      Affiliate marketing is typically not something that pays quickly (it could take weeks or even months for your first Clickbank check to arrive), so please don't concentrate all your efforts just on that if you need fast cash to take care of your immediate needs.

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author premiuminvestor
    Congrats to you brothers for being focused enough to come together to make things happen.

    Few of us have such "2 head advantage" when we started off.

    That being said.

    You guys have already started well.

    The pick a product, create a site, drive to traffic to it startegy still works. I should know I make money doing that.

    Article marketing is often underrated because it seems to be serious work, but believe me article marketing works.

    iince you can write articles, I will suggest you guys try make money by the side with article writing. That was how I started online, I now run an article writing biz and have steady clients and a team of writers.

    If you canw rite well, like someone pointed out above, believe me there is a limitless market for quality writers out there, there are so many "trash" writers, that the few good ones are appreciated.

    Just keep at it bro, The Internt Works And Yes It Also Rocks
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    • If you're an american and you can write you can make some good money here on the warrior forum selling your articles too. Plus you won't have to sell your articles for peanuts...people are willing to pay for quality writing. If your writing is persuasive you can write sales copy for pretty good money too.
      As was mentioned above, if you are a native English speaker and can write good articles you will be able to make a good living selling your article writing services right there on this forum.
      Are you sure that you have to be a native English speaker to make money on writing? Suggesting that you have to be American makes even less sense to me. Maybe you have to be American to work for the CIA, but to be a paid writer? Could you please explain why?

      Some people fall into the trap of assuming that native speakers and writers speak and write better than people who learned English, or any other language, as a second language. This is simply not the case. There are many non-native speakers of English who are more proficient than some of the native folks.

      It's a complicated issue. To start with, how would you define a "native speaker" of English? For example, English is the main official language in Singapore; does it mean that Singaporeans of Chinese origin are native English speakers?

      Quite an interesting discussion here:
      http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowWouldDefineNativeSpeakerEnglish/xwmc/post.htm

      Someone commented that even the terms "mother tongue" and "first language" can be confusing.

      I speak several languages. People from South America think that I'm Spanish because of my strong Castilian accent. I learned Spanish in Spain, and I use expressions that are distinctly Castilian. I'm not native, but I speak and write well.

      I can express myself in English clearly; and, as it's not my mother tongue, I work harder than some other people to make sure that I use it correctly. I always have my Thesaurus ready when I write, I go to Toastmasters meetings, I read a lot, and I question every word that looks or sounds funny.

      I've learned that people who believe that only a person born and raised in an English-speaking country can become fluent in English, often believe as well that speaking another language fluently is very difficult, if not downright impossible. That's why they don't think a foreigner is able to achieve fluency in English.

      I have a question for you, Warriors; even if you realized straight away that this post was written by a non-native writer, does it stop you from understanding perfectly well what I'm talking about?

      If you understand me, I've achieved my goal as a writer. All I'm asking for is a little appreciation for the extra effort that we put in. Please be fair, and judge the writer by her skills.
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