SCAMMED. Gutted. (I think?)

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Ok, so a few months ago I got an email from a guy who's list was I subscibed to.

He was offering this coaching in exchange for an uprfront fee (which was quite small) with his share coming out of 30% of the profits that the project made.

Sounds pretty fair right?

So, we agreed on a contract (all emails and contracts are well documented).

So the deals go ahead, a few hundred pounds are exchanged here and there.

The coaching goes great for a few weeks and lots of positive progress is made.

One week he totally loses touch. I eventually get hold of him as he replies to my email apologizing because he has a bad connection.

Anyway, he's got a website with phone numbers and email addresses, a physical address plus I've got two of his business addresses...so I have multiple ways to get hold of him.

Then we carry on and things get moving, the coaching is really cool and is WORKING.

Now, we're moving into new areas and he suddenly has disappeared. This week, it's the longest he has been missing. I know he said he was doing a major project prior to his Houdini act, but this is ridiculous. It's been almost 2 weeks with no contact and we're ready to launch a product!

So what should I do?

I've left voicemails and sent numerous emails over the last week, but I really don't know what to do. At what point do I go and see a lawyer? Can I actually trace this guy? What chance do I have?
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  • Profile picture of the author JPaston
    Well, as you have physical addresses, that's a good start. Doesn't sound, from your description, as though it is the typical behaviour of a scammer. I mean why so much help so far, and you say it's coaching that is already working. So why 'escape' now?

    Sounds to me as though there may be a good reason for his absence. But then I always tend to look on the bright side!
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by JPaston View Post

      Well, as you have physical addresses, that's a good start. Doesn't sound, from your description, as though it is the typical behaviour of a scammer. I mean why so much help so far, and you say it's coaching that is already working. So why 'escape' now?

      Sounds to me as though there may be a good reason for his absence. But then I always tend to look on the bright side!
      I agree. That's why I really don't know what to do. Should I just leave it and cross my fingers or should I take some sort of legal action?

      I don't want to end this in tears, as he's clearly a clever guy (at least he SEEMS to be). If he turns out to be a scammer, then he's the best I've ever known...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dontrell Lyons
    Yeah I try to keep a positive attitude it always works out in my favor!
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  • Profile picture of the author chris_surfrider
    He's probably loaded his plate too full and is realizing that he's over-booked his time.

    You need to confront him about this and ask if he intends to carry through on his end of the deal, or if you should pursue the matter through other means.

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  • Profile picture of the author Merlinthecat
    You can get a physical address by checking the domain owner through internic. If its a hosting company, you can still get access to their account holder (your guy) through proper legal channels.

    Hopefully he will show up again soon and continue - you did say that his tuition was working!
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by chris_surfrider View Post

      He's probably loaded his plate too full and is realizing that he's over-booked his time.

      You need to confront him about this and ask if he intends to carry through on his end of the deal, or if you should pursue the matter through other means.

      -Chris
      Thanks Chris, I think (hope) that might be the case. I know that I am not the only one on his coaching list - going off what he has mentioned in his A/R messages and broadcasts.

      I am just worried about not being able to get hold of him I suppose. After all, the legalities are all in my favour as I have contracts, emails etc to reinforce.

      Originally Posted by Merlinthecat View Post

      You can get a physical address by checking the domain owner through internic. If its a hosting company, you can still get access to their account holder (your guy) through proper legal channels.

      Hopefully he will show up again soon and continue - you did say that his tuition was working!
      I hope so too!
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Nick

        From what you've written it seems you're more worried about losing the momentum you've built up than the money, so approach it that way.

        And who knows what's happened (you wouldn't believe the series of problems I've had in the last three weeks!)?

        Maybe a positive subject line in your email (if he is hiding)
        "Hope you are OK - really keen to get back on track"

        Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Hey Nick..

    So...

    Forget the running back and forth between you and this guy..

    why not just go forward alone?.. what exceptional talent does he bring to this deal that you really need now?...

    Do you have enough control of the real estate/sites etc to continue alone?... if so I would move along at high speed...

    Maybe you could find someone else to go forward with..

    Just sayin'..

    Peace

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    • Profile picture of the author stma
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      Hey Nick..

      So...

      Forget the running back and forth between you and this guy..

      why not just go forward alone?.. what exceptional talent does he bring to this deal that you really need now?...

      Do you have enough control of the real estate/sites etc to continue alone?... if so I would move along at high speed...

      Maybe you could find someone else to go forward with..

      Just sayin'..

      Peace

      Jay
      I was thinking the same thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      Hey Nick..

      So...

      Forget the running back and forth between you and this guy..

      why not just go forward alone?.. what exceptional talent does he bring to this deal that you really need now?...

      Do you have enough control of the real estate/sites etc to continue alone?... if so I would move along at high speed...

      Maybe you could find someone else to go forward with..

      Just sayin'..

      Peace

      Jay
      Well Jay, I guess not much. Except for one thing that I was really hoping to learn more about and that was doing a great product launch. That was part of his deal and the part that lured me the most.

      I guess I could just guess at it, but to be honest, I just can't wrap my head around things after he left me so high and dry.

      Plus, part of the contracts was a site he was selling that I secured on top of everything else, which was pulling in $1000 or so...which would have been nice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chaiwriter
    I agree with Jay.

    Plus, are you really out any money?

    Some people who are brilliant Internet Marketers have tunnel vision and they will drop off the face of the Earth for a couple weeks at a time because they are consumed by something else. At least that's what I've found when writing for them.

    There's been a couple times I've been owed payment and haven't heard from the person in over two weeks. But then they show-up, apologize for not getting back to me sooner, and then they pay me right away.

    Perhaps this is what's happening now?

    Just a thought...

    Chai
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    • Profile picture of the author aspiepower
      Originally Posted by Chaiwriter View Post



      Some people who are brilliant Internet Marketers have tunnel vision and they will drop off the face of the Earth for a couple weeks at a time because they are consumed by something else.
      I will admit to being like this, which is why I go it completely alone. I'd never get people hooked into anything that relied on me because once my focus has gone I have no control over when it will come back!

      I'm sure it'll be OK in the end. The guy's just not a multi-tasker by nature probably. And now he's probably sat scared, unsure how to break the silence with you.

      Perhaps you could send him a small email with one specific question. Just pick your biggest question, write it in as short a paragraph as possible and ask for his direct answer. Give the message a welcoming title, such as "Small Question re ...." so he is encouraged to open it as you aren't having a go at him.

      Good luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by aspiepower View Post

        I will admit to being like this, which is why I go it completely alone. I'd never get people hooked into anything that relied on me because once my focus has gone I have no control over when it will come back!

        I'm sure it'll be OK in the end. The guy's just not a multi-tasker by nature probably. And now he's probably sat scared, unsure how to break the silence with you.

        Perhaps you could send him a small email with one specific question. Just pick your biggest question, write it in as short a paragraph as possible and ask for his direct answer. Give the message a welcoming title, such as "Small Question re ...." so he is encouraged to open it as you aren't having a go at him.

        Good luck!
        Thanks but no really, this guy has been revealed as a known scammer. He AINT multitasking, he's multi scamming!

        Anyway, the phoenix will rise...rise again warrior!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Dixon
    Hmm, I guess you don't really have much option than to hang on for a bit longer and hope he surfaces.

    I assume you don't have any 'Instant Messaging' type contact info for him such as Skype or MSN etc.?

    Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    Maybe he got Lyme disease or was kicked in the face by a llama or something and hasn't been able to contact you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    It seems I've been totally had by a well known scammer...a dick s##ker who's had a lot of other Warriors money in the past too.

    Damn, I thought I was smarter than this.

    This piece of scum is going to pay. That was a lot of money I really could use right now.

    What a ####
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    • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
      As Nick has said he was conned by none other than Danny Wall.

      My question to the Americans is how is he allowed to repeat his actions time and time again, when it is proven that he scams people?

      In the UK the Met would have kicked him by now.

      How many more times does the guy have to repeat his actions before someone prosecutes him?
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      • Profile picture of the author sevenish
        Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

        As Nick has said he was conned by none other than Danny Wall.

        My question to the Americans is how is he allowed to repeat his actions time and time again, when it is proven that he scams people?

        In the UK the Met would have kicked him by now.

        How many more times does the guy have to repeat his actions before someone prosecutes him?
        Nice work Bev, as always. Damn you're good!
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        • Profile picture of the author tiger325
          Never heard of danny wall either
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    • Profile picture of the author tomw
      Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

      It seems I've been totally had by a well known scammer...a dick s##ker who's had a lot of other Warriors money in the past too.

      Damn, I thought I was smarter than this.

      This piece of scum is going to pay. That was a lot of money I really could use right now.

      What a ####
      You're right, Nick. What a * * * *

      I feel for you, mate.

      It's a mistake we'll all only make once. Your not alone.

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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    That was a lot of money I really could use right now.
    Did it become a lot when you found out you was scammed? 'cuz before you said it wasn't...
    He was offering this coaching in exchange for an uprfront fee (which was quite small) with his share coming out of 30% of the profits that the project made.
    Bev,

    You know the name and shame rule so why do you always name?

    He isnt, to my knowledge, a member any longer so it doesnt effect the community.

    It sucks when people get scammed but a simple search and a little sense goes a long way.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post


      You know the name and shame rule so why do you always name?

      He isnt, to my knowledge, a member any longer so it doesnt effect the community.
      I think the name and shame rule only applies to people
      using their real names.

      He probably has another already.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Dumb question: Who is Danny Wall exactly? Just so I know for future reference.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Nato Guajardo
    Never heard of this Danny Wall.
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  • Profile picture of the author matthewd
    Nick, sorry to hear about that. I don't understand how some people can be so heartless.

    Anyway man, I'd be happy to offer you some advice if you are kind of stuck or whatever on launching your product; you have my email address.

    Free of charge, by the way, since you are already a customer of mine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben_Curtis
    Tell, tell for the rest of us: Danny Wall?
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Thank you to everyone who has offered the support. Matt, you rock as always.

    I feel so shattered from this guy. I will survive, but it has really knocked me sideways...this is not your usual obvious scam. I've never fallen for a scam before and this guy pulled me in like a laser beam. Here's what happened:

    I get an email from him, as I was on his list. His pen name is now Richard Earl.

    He sends an email offering coaching for a new project and spaces are limited. The deal is that he takes an upfront smaller payment (which is much smaller that some typical coaching programs) and in return, you pay him 30% of the profits earned for the first 12 months.

    Sounds pretty reasonable.

    He then sends over the contract and we both sign. I see his business website and contact details etc. I verify them by calling his office and got through to an answering machine (should have known right there and then).

    So, we get started.

    He goes into detail about what to do and the entire strategy for doing it. Now, I'm not a newbie so when he explained it I was already planning to do something similar in another market...so it all seemed pretty smart and legit.

    Weeks went on and I got really involved in the coaching and the project.

    I've actually got some potential JV's and the start of a product, plus a good platform to launch it...

    He then offered to transfer another site that was already established and the same 30/70 split would apply PROVIDING I follow his advice.

    At this point, I had the cash spare and went for it. Again, another contract was agreed (and read carefully).

    This was where he disappeared. No more email replies, nothing.

    I am so annoyed as I worked my asse off to get things running and it was going really well.

    I don't think it was a total waste of money, as if I can get some good advice on finishing off the product and launching it, I may stand to do very well anyway.

    I am still shocked that I got tangled up in this criminals pathetic little world...I never thought I would ever fall victim to such scams.

    But I have to say, this guy is convincing. In fact, he writes and operates in such a way you don't even think about questioning anything.

    Time to start recouping my losses...hopefully Paypal will decide to get my money back from this idiot unlike previous people's attempts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anbelle
    What a shame... It's awful when people are so nasty. We are all trying to make it. Why do some people have to make it even more difficult for others... ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    I agree, Anbelle. If the guy didn't want to do the coaching, he shouldn't have offered it. Why get money for scamming people? What...is he looking for a short term income? Myself, I'd like a long term income by offering true value to my customers and keeping them happy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

      I agree, Anbelle. If the guy didn't want to do the coaching, he shouldn't have offered it. Why get money for scamming people? What...is he looking for a short term income? Myself, I'd like a long term income by offering true value to my customers and keeping them happy.
      Exactly. I just don't get it. He could have made a LOT of money with me working for him...whilst he takes the profits.

      And it's not like he was totally blowing smoke. He created a report to get me started, he sent emails, told me exactly how to set up this site and all sorts of clearly knowledgable advice.

      I just don't get why he would want to take the relatively small amount of money and run when there was much more potential ahead?
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