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13 years ago

That's a great advice, thank you! I bet those professional writers who work for magazines and newspapers charge more than $2 per 100 words? It's worth to pay if you need quality content right on your site. Can you say what are average rates for these writers?

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jan roos

13 years ago

Yes, I pay the pro more than the others but it's worth it to me.

Most people were happy to work for between $5 and $12 per article.

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donhx

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jan roos

Yes, I pay the pro more than the others but it's worth it to me.

Most people were happy to work for between $5 and $12 per article.

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Still, you get what you pay for. Retired people, students and many others usually don't understand the intricacies of IM-style writing. It is a combination of informing and persuading people, and using key words in creative ways, and they are not used to that kind of focus.

Who out there has tested content--response from an article written by someone offshore, one on the same topic written by an out-of-work person (or student or retiree) and one from a pro. If it would be possible, I'd like to see the conversion rates for each. $12 per article is false economy I'd say. $5 articles are generally just a shot in the dark.

Most IM people value quality writing when it comes to landing page copy. They sometimes pay consultants big money to write them, but don't give attention to the quality of their meat and potatoes articles. But articles are landing pages too.

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jan roos

13 years ago

Originally Posted by donhx

Still, you get what you pay for. Retired people, students and many others usually don't understand the intricacies of IM-style writing. It is a combination of informing and persuading people, and using key words in creative ways, and they are not used to that kind of focus.

Who out there has tested content--response from an article written by someone offshore, one on the same topic written by an out-of-work person (or student or retiree) and one from a pro. If it would be possible, I'd like to see the conversion rates for each. $12 per article is false economy I'd say. $5 articles are generally just a shot in the dark.

Most IM people value quality writing when it comes to landing page copy. They sometimes pay consultants big money to write them, but don't give attention to the quality of their meat and potatoes articles. But articles are landing pages too.

I'm not talking about landing page copy or ad copy for that matter. I am just talking about regular articles for your website, the article directories, product reviews etc.

Ad copy is a different ball game.

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donhx

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jan roos

I'm not talking about landing page copy or ad copy for that matter. I am just talking about regular articles for your website, the article directories, product reviews etc.

Ad copy is a different ball game.

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I understand what you're saying, but I was trying to suggest that many IM people need to give more attention to their articles because they ARE landing pages in their own way.

IM people understand the importance of landing pages, but they don't seem to understand the value of articles that should have the same psychology behind them as landing pages.

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jan roos

13 years ago

Originally Posted by donhx

I understand what you're saying, but I was trying to suggest that many IM people need to give more attention to their articles because they ARE landing pages in their own way.

IM people understand the importance of landing pages, but they don't seem to understand the value of articles that should have the same psychology behind them as landing pages.

That's 100% right and that's why you train your writers as Bryan mentioned above. Also, a lot of people just use articles for the pure purpose of getting back links so it just depends on your needs.

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Bryan Zimmerman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by donhx

Still, you get what you pay for. Retired people, students and many others usually don't understand the intricacies of IM-style writing. .

They sure do if you take 15 minutes to make a quick video explaining exactly what you're looking for and a couple examples they can use as a template.

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donhx

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman

They sure do if you take 15 minutes to make a quick video explaining exactly what you're looking for and a couple examples they can use as a template.

15 minutes, eh? That's all? All my education and experience down the drain... I wish I would have seen your video when I was 21.

or... maybe effective writing is more than just putting 500 words on the screen.

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Bryan Zimmerman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by donhx

15 minutes, eh? That's all? All my education and experience down the drain... I wish I would have seen your video when I was 21.

or... maybe effective writing is more than just putting 500 words on the screen.

Lol, I'll sell you PLR rights to the video if you want, but I'll have to figure out what to charge you for it. Let's see, 21 and you're how hold now? So for those amount of years inbetween it would be worth........

Just messing with you

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donhx 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman

Just messing with you

Me too.
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Bill Eliott

13 years ago

Originally Posted by donhx

Most IM people value quality writing when it comes to landing page copy. They sometimes pay consultants big money to write them, but don't give attention to the quality of their meat and potatoes articles. But articles are landing pages too.

A valid point.

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BayAreaSteve 13 years ago

Originally Posted by jan roos

Yes, I pay the pro more than the others but it's worth it to me.

Most people were happy to work for between $5 and $12 per article.

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How much do you pay a pro ?
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  I paid a really good writer $10 for a 500 word article. I now feel bad because his work is worth more than $10 but at the time I couldn't afford more than that plus he was happy writing for that amount but now I will pay more for it. $15 - $20 for the really good stuff.
  
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bethsuzi 13 years ago

Thinking outside the box is always a good thing

It's also great to find people who actually enjoy writing rather than finding it a chore but they need the money type of thing. I think you can tell when someone has enjoyed writing an article as it flows nicely and has a spirited air about it.

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John Rogers

13 years ago

Good tip. I'm guessing there are lots of frustrated unpublished writers out there who would fall all over themselves for easy 1-2 cents per word work.

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jan roos 13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Rogers

Good tip. I'm guessing there are lots of frustrated unpublished writers out there who would fall all over themselves for easy 1-2 cents per word work.

Yeah I was amazed at how many people wanted some extra work from home. Housewives, older folks etc.

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ingeniousaffiliate

13 years ago

Is it really that difficult to find quality writers? I suppose it is difficult to weed through all the "I right goood article 4 you cheep" ads by obvious non-native English speakers but there are quite a few quality writers on the forum.

I think I may be slightly offended that you don't think we're good enough.

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jan roos

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ingeniousaffiliate

Is it really that difficult to find quality writers? I suppose it is difficult to weed through all the "I right goood article 4 you cheep" ads by obvious non-native English speakers but there are quite a few quality writers on the forum.

I think I may be slightly offended that you don't think we're good enough.

No no I didn't say you guys are not good enough

I just get a lot of emails from my subscribers saying that they are having difficulty finding good writers and I always recommend the Warrior forum first but sometimes it can be difficult to weed through the not so good writers here on the forum and a lot of times the really good ones are booked full.

So this is a good alternative to finding dedicated writers for your projects.

Ha, I know I'm gonna get some heat here in a second from the writers on the forum.

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CDarklock 13 years ago

Originally Posted by jan roos

a lot of times the really good ones are booked full.

THIS is the big one. It always seems like suddenly, one day, thirty people PM and email me asking if I'll write for them. Well, I only take ten clients a month, so most of those end up with a "no" and a referral to someone else... but the alternates often get booked up, too.
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ArtiGal

13 years ago

Thanks for this great tip, Jan. Even if you have a steady WF writer in tow, it's always good to have a backup!

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Not So New

13 years ago

Great Tip Jan,

Sounds like a great way to get a ton of applicants.

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leuven6

13 years ago

Thanks for sharing, and yes its amazing how many people who wants to write articles :-)

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Todd R

13 years ago

Hey Jan,

Nice post. You're always spilling the beans about great methods to make money. Talk soon.

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kkrueger

13 years ago

Thanks Jan for the great tip. There are many good writers here at the Forum..but like it has been said, they get busy, so it's nice to have backups.

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EA

13 years ago

Jan,

If only others knew how great person you are. Keep making this world a better place

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jan roos 13 years ago

Originally Posted by EA

Jan,

If only others knew how great person you are. Keep making this world a better place

Aah, thanks for that. Glad I could be of assistance.

Jan
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TheWCW

13 years ago

Thank you Jan. Sometimes it is the obvious that stare you in the face that you don't see. That is a great tip.

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paulie888

13 years ago

Thanks Jan. It's always good to have alternatives, because your regular writers could get sick, suddenly get booked up with several huge jobs, go on vacation, etc. It's always good to have a contingency plan in case you can't find your regulars to write for you, and Craigslist is a great source to pick up some temporary writers that may even be good enough for you to hire on a consistent basis!

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jaiganeshv

13 years ago

very useful tip worth trying right away!!

thanks for sharing this.

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John T

13 years ago

Thanks for the craigslist tip, I have so much going on, I really forget the simple ideas about the warrior forum and craigslist for writers. Most times, if I just hold on, I will come up with a less expensive solution that paying top price. Thanks Jan for bringing up those simple ideas again. I need to be reminded most times about the no-brainers. John T.

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Joe2

13 years ago

Once you get your writers from Craiglists, do you use a template for your requirements?
How do you ensure your writers include your keywords or maybe a list of LSI words as some writers don't have the experience regarding writing for online/internet marketing.
Do you have a 'most successful' template which you are using?

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SageSound

13 years ago

I ran into a professional tech writer once who said he's got over 700 articles on eZineArticles, and he's not gotten one useful lead from them. I asked how many of the articles had been used on other people's sites, and he shrugged and said, "a few dozen".

My point is ... just because there are writers who get paid as "professionals" doesn't mean their writing is appropriate for all needs.

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jan roos

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe2

Once you get your writers from Craiglists, do you use a template for your requirements?
How do you ensure your writers include your keywords or maybe a list of LSI words as some writers don't have the experience regarding writing for online/internet marketing.
Do you have a 'most successful' template which you are using?

No I don't have a template. I tell them that I want an informative article about a specific topic and he must make sure to have "this keyword" in the title of the article, at least once in the opening paragraph, at least once once in the closing paragraph an then a few more times in the middle of the article. That's about it. For the most part these people have no issues with these requirements.

Originally Posted by SageSound

I ran into a professional tech writer once who said he's got over 700 articles on eZineArticles, and he's not gotten one useful lead from them. I asked how many of the articles had been used on other people's sites, and he shrugged and said, "a few dozen".

My point is ... just because there are writers who get paid as "professionals" doesn't mean their writing is appropriate for all needs.

That's why give writers small tasks at first to see the quality of their writing and weed out the bad ones just like you would anywhere else.

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Jmacdaddy 13 years ago

Jan

Big fan of yours, and a customer too. Another great idea. I really do appreciate your straightforward help.
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Yudhistira Mauris

13 years ago

Nice sharing. It's really helpful. But I have not been used craiglist before. What is craiglist?

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Vijay M

13 years ago

I did exactly this when I wanted reviews about local establishments in a certain niche. Got a ton of applicants and selected one.

She wrote well, the only problem was, she would accept payment only via money order !! That was the only time I had sent cash via money order. I was a bit amazed to realize that there are still some people out there who do not have a paypal address !

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ExpatPI

13 years ago

Great idea! Thanks

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SebastianJ

13 years ago

Awesome tips

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SpaceAge

13 years ago

That indeed is a good idea. Thanks for the tip

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tpw

13 years ago

I have also used Craigslist to find and hire several top-notch editors.

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tigerwar

13 years ago

nice tips, also on your blog that you mailed us yesterday, Thanks

I'll be back soon reporting on your other WSO - Still getting things sorted out

Thanks Jan
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dremora

13 years ago

craigslist is a gold mine for outsourcing, there are gazillions of starving students who will do anything for a little bit of extra cash. I am planning to hire web programmers from there, a friend of mine found his web designers and programmers from cl (all starving students who are going to school for that stuff) for much better rates than outsourcing sites. And, since it's native English speakers, there is no language barrier and you don't end up explaining the same stuff 5 times.

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jan roos

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dremora

craigslist is a gold mine for outsourcing, there are gazillions of starving students who will do anything for a little bit of extra cash. I am planning to hire web programmers from there, a friend of mine found his web designers and programmers from cl (all starving students who are going to school for that stuff) for much better rates than outsourcing sites. And, since it's native English speakers, there is no language barrier and you don't end up explaining the same stuff 5 times.

Yeah, you can really get some highly skilled people on Craigslist fairly easily.

Thinking about it, it makes me feel so fortunate that I found this forum when I did because to be on the other side of the spectrum is no fun. What I mean by that is working for a boss, being completely jobless or being an outsourcer for others.

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dremora

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jan roos

Yeah, you can really get some highly skilled people on Craigslist fairly easily.

Thinking about it, it makes me feel so fortunate that I found this forum when I did because to be on the other side of the spectrum is no fun. What I mean by that is working for a boss, being completely jobless or being an outsourcer for others.

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The best part is, you can choose to hire local people and meet them face to face at a starbucks, show them what you actually want on your laptop, and go on your merry way. No need to spend hours writing instruction manuals and making videos for the 3rd world outsourcers to 'get it'.

Students do web design and graphics projects for incredibly cheap rates. I'm really done with odesk and the rest of those terrible outsourcing sites.

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Amy Carczak

13 years ago

Writing well is a talent to be developed "in house"
to really produce content that search engines love
as much as the people reading the articles.

The constant problem with outsourcing to non-marketing
folks is that they simply do not understand what they're
writing about or they don;t understand good SEO structure.

Now rewriting articles .. maybe not a bad option ...otherwise
it's best to hire a writer with online marketing experience and
an understanding of SEO structure.

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Vince L

13 years ago

Hey JR, thanks for the cool idea.

I'm curious, did you have difficulty finding good writers for fair prices on: WF or ODesk, etc?

I've had decent luck if I spent the time evaluating before I hired.

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John Williamson

13 years ago

Didn't even think of this. Excellent tip. Tried it, it worked perfectly! Thanks!

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