How Does Article Marketing Work?

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I heard many people say that articles can really boost a website' SEO. I have done lots of black hat links recently, and I don't think those links work really well for me. I mean, I can spend like 10 hours in front of my computer to do profile links then ping, submit rss, blah blah blah. But They don't work. =.=| Really don't, at least in my experience. Only 1 out of 10 get indexed by yahoo, and none out of 100 get indexed by Google. I really hope that I can write articles, but the truth is that I really don't have the talent to do it, I have only been using English for four years. So, the only way is to buy articles then. I saw this website aplusarticlewriting dot com on Google search result. 7 dollars each 400 words article. I'm about to try, unless someone can tell me if there are any good services they know about. I will appreciate that. And additional questions are, how does article marketing really work as a SEO tactic? How it supposed to bring traffic to my site. I know that unique articles are nice to post in my blog.
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  • Actually article marketing traffic method:

    1. You write an article with your backlinck within.
    2. then submit it in article directories like ezinearticles.com
    3. That's all.

    You can get backlinks from article writing and increase yous SERP position in search engine. You can also get direct traffic from article directories
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    • Profile picture of the author VictorV
      $7 for a 400 word article is pretty pricey. If you're going to pay that much make sure they're HIGH QUALITY.

      Just write articles related to your website and make sure to link back to your website within your resource box.

      Also, don't forget to optimize your website and articles for the proper keywords you're targeting.

      Write up a few of these everyday and start submitting them to high quality article directories (ezine, goarticles, hubpages, etc.) and you're set.

      I would suggest writing articles that are 500 words or more if you want google to index them.
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      • Profile picture of the author ankitnagpal
        try freelancer.com usual price is $3 per 450-500 words I pay 2.5$ for 450 words in bulk. And article marketing helps only if the targeted keywords have low competition in google else you may publish 100s of articles and still it will not be in top 100 or so.....
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        • Profile picture of the author ankitnagpal
          also do not rewrite article as these are now easily tracked and banned. use fresh content
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      • Profile picture of the author BinBinWu
        thank you first advice
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      • Profile picture of the author patriciahedge
        Originally Posted by Greg Wildermuth View Post

        Are you kidding?? $7 for QUALITY articles is dirt cheap? I wouldn't expect much quality at that price.

        And BinBinWu, if you've only been using English 4 years, you're doing pretty well! You could probably write your own content and just have somebody proofread, no problem.

        My 2 cents on article marketing is:
        - make sure the keywords are researched and used well.
        - provide QUALITY. That's what it's all about. You need people to read the whole thing and like it so much, they click through.

        I've been doing article marketing through Ezine, Articlesbase, Searchwarp and GoArticles and I've gotten lots of results.

        Good luck!
        I pay under $6.oo when I outsource and I am really happy with the articles. For the rest I write myself and use an article submission service which brings great results!
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        • Profile picture of the author bethsuzi
          Hi,

          Article marketing works on the basis of gleening web traffic from search engines to your articles (via SEO optmized keywords in the title and body of the article), then to your website. Of course you also get direct traffic from the article directories.

          Your articles are in many ways, a representation of your website so churning out lots of inane ramblings is not a good idea. Instead you need lots of quality content to get the trust of potential customers to your website. If you don't feel confident that your English is good enough (although I don't think it is too bad going by your post) and can afford to pay for good quality articles, then that is the best way to go.

          Once you get the articles, you should publish them on your website first, then proceed submitting them to article directories such as Ezine, Go, Articlesbase, Articlemarketer and so on. YOu can also use these articles for Web2.0, turn into video, PDF to name a few.

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by patrickhurst91 View Post

          you might be surprised to learn that nearly 70% of the content in most papers is actually submitted to the paper by business owners, or by other people that are looking for publicity.
          Surprised? I'd be absolutely astonished. And so would every journalist and editor I know. In most Western countries, such content must, by law, be clearly labelled as such. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author ankitnagpal
      Originally Posted by maurisrx View Post

      Actually article marketing traffic method:

      1. You write an article with your backlinck within.
      2. then submit it in article directories like ezinearticles.com
      3. That's all.

      You can get backlinks from article writing and increase yous SERP position in search engine. You can also get direct traffic from article directories
      there are more articles than readers on internet, so hardly anyone reads them. usually use it for SERP and that too will work if the targeted keywords are low in competition. I have submitted 20 articles on 5 keywords and no one is in top 100 as those keywords were highly competitive.

      However I got excellent results when I submitted articles to top articiles websites and then submitted same content to many press release websites using a software: http://products.softsolutionslimited...sher/index.htm and I got 382 backlinks from unique websites !!! It was quite an achievement for me.
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      • Profile picture of the author BinBinWu
        Originally Posted by softsolutions View Post

        there are more articles than readers on internet, so hardly anyone reads them. usually use it for SERP and that too will work if the targeted keywords are low in competition. I have submitted 20 articles on 5 keywords and no one is in top 100 as those keywords were highly competitive.
        Thanks for sharing, and Should I use long tail keywords?
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        • Profile picture of the author BinBinWu
          And, also, is 20000 SEOC for a keyword phrase considered high competition?
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          • Profile picture of the author Alfred23
            You can receive a long term views from article marketing if you have properly written a good article.
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          • Profile picture of the author ankitnagpal
            Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

            And, also, is 20000 SEOC for a keyword phrase considered high competition?
            Are you talking about Market Samurai here? Prefer google traffic estimator always.
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        • Profile picture of the author ankitnagpal
          Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

          Thanks for sharing, and Should I use long tail keywords?
          Nowadays only long tail keywords are left in low competition. short phrases are already heavily targeted. But long tail keywords do not have high traffic. My suggestion is to target forums, blogs, press release and social media if not targeting google.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by maurisrx View Post

      Actually article marketing traffic method:

      1. You write an article with your backlinck within.
      2. then submit it in article directories like ezinearticles.com
      3. That's all.
      That's all? Or that's all you know? :rolleyes:

      Alexa has made it quite clear.

      I'd Listen to this advice, it's incredible how many people really think the only value in article marketing is mass submission to every directory to collect as many low grade PR0 links as they can.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        That's all? Or that's all you know? :rolleyes:

        Alexa has made it quite clear.

        I'd Listen to this advice, it's incredible how many people really think the only value in article marketing is mass submission to every directory to collect as many low grade PR0 links as they can.
        What do you personally do with each article you write?
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

          What do you personally do with each article you write?
          I put them on my sites and get them indexed, then I go to high authority sites in my niches and do my best to get them syndicated, not as successfully as Alexa but I'm getting there.

          When I've done this I submit to EZA and 3-4 other directories recommended to me by successful article marketers.

          I follow Alexa, Bill Platt and other very successful article marketers advice. I've seen good results in a short period of time. Incredibly I don't see any highly successful article marketers currently saying the only use of directories are backlinks, in fact, their original purpose was syndication, somehow people got a little off track over the years.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            I put them on my sites and get them indexed, then I go to high authority sites in my niches and do my best to get them syndicated
            Many thanks!

            What methods are you currently using to find high authority sites? Do you subscribe to places like Directory of Ezines and sites like this to find them or just manually search Google for related blogs? Or some combination of the two or maybe something entirely different?
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          • Profile picture of the author Cory Buford
            Dear BinBinWu,

            I've had some success posting my articles on Suite101, about this very topic actually, in the form of an article web (see attached) but Alexa sounds like she is channeling one of my Mentors, Rich Dad's Robert T. Kiyosaki, and has given me much food for thought.

            If I understand correctly, doing my own niche AdSense sites and submitting the articles to directories would be the way to go? If so, I've not yet heard DMOZ mentioned. Should it still be considered a primary target?

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          • Profile picture of the author ddurick
            Wow, Alexa! Your comments about "don't do article marketing" even for back links was really news to me. The logic of getting articles placed to increase your back links made sense to me and I didn't even consider it might be bad in the long run.

            I've only done a little article submission recently as I'm trying to find better ways to increase my links so that seems to be the name of the game after you build good content on a site, which I've done.

            If you don't use article marketing, then what would you say is your #1 way of building quality back links?
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by ddurick View Post

              Wow, Alexa! Your comments about "don't do article marketing" even for back links was really news to me.
              To me, also ...

              Where did I say this?

              Please appreciate: I'm not complaining or criticising, but if I said something that's been taken that way, I'd really like to know where it is so I can change it and avoid any misunderstandings?!

              Originally Posted by ddurick View Post

              The logic of getting articles placed to increase your back links made sense to me and I didn't even consider it might be bad in the long run.
              I've said that building backlinks to article directories (i.e. rather than to your own sites) is bad in the long run, clearly (which it certainly is!). And I've said that article directory backlinks are - as backlinks go - crap (which they are: they're non-context-relevant PR-0 pages - that's about as low as you can get!), but I hope I haven't said anything misguided ... you have me worried now ... I'm only a mouthy chick and could have said something misleading without appreciating that I'd done so ...

              Originally Posted by ddurick View Post

              If you don't use article marketing, then what would you say is your #1 way of building quality back links?
              I'm an article marketer, myself, Ddurick ... but the quality backlinks I get from articles that help my sites' off-page SEO come not from article directories but from the places to which my articles get syndicated either privately or from article directories. Does this clarify whatever I said somewhere that caused the problem? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author schttrj
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        That's all? Or that's all you know? :rolleyes:

        Alexa has made it quite clear.

        I'd Listen to this advice, it's incredible how many people really think the only value in article marketing is mass submission to every directory to collect as many low grade PR0 links as they can.
        I have not tested it yet. And this is just a calculated guess you can say.

        How many over PR5 links you can really get? Apart from link exchange, which shows your link in the blogroll of a homepage?

        Most of the links that you get from forum posting, blog commenting (unless the web page is high PR or your comment shows up on the home page) and article marketing are low PR links.

        If I am wrong, correct me. But your site ranking is judge by the domain PR on where you are getting the link from (even if it is from a deep page on the domain) and also how many links actually pointing to your page.

        It seems, the domain authority of the site linking back to you does matter!
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        • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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          Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

          It seems, the domain authority of the site linking back to you does matter!
          I agree with that, but from reading some posts here, it seems that relevancy trumps page rank. So a highly relevant link from a page with a page rank of 1 is going to help your site's cause more than a link from a page with a page rank of 5 but the content of the page and site has nothing to do with your site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          How many over PR5 links you can really get? Apart from link exchange, which shows your link in the blogroll of a homepage?
          How many do you need? If there are 5 top players in a niche and they all syndicate your articles, those five high PR links, from relevant sites are worth far more than content irrelevant sites on a PR0 article directory page.

          Most of the links that you get from forum posting, blog commenting (unless the web page is high PR or your comment shows up on the home page) and article marketing are low PR links.
          Not if the forum is an authority site, same with blogs. They are also relevant to the niche I'm in, Google likes this. Besides, I don't do as much blog and forum commenting for backlinks now. If I do I provide good, precise and very helpful answers for people so they see me as an authority.

          If I am wrong, correct me. But your site ranking is judge by the domain PR on where you are getting the link from (even if it is from a deep page on the domain) and also how many links actually pointing to your page.
          If I have a dog training site and the authority dog training site is PR6 and my dog training article linking to my dog training site goes on the front page as the latest post, compared to a PR0 page on an article directory, which do you think Google will like best?

          EZA's homepage is PR6, not the page your article is on. I get my article often published on the home page of authority sites and most of them still go on good PR pages if not.

          Also, that authority dog training site has a lot of loyal visitors, that keep coming back, that trust what the site publishes. They are a far hungrier crowd than someone interested in dog training that finds my article amongst all the other dog training articles on EZA.

          Meanwhile my sites gradually become authority sites themselves.

          Exactly! Relevance matters. And don't you think that relevance works in the low PR article directory pages?
          Not really. When Google see's your article on EZA, for example, it is a PR0 page about dog training on the biggest content farm there is. You dog training article, makes up a miniscule bit of what EZA publishes.

          Truthfully, find me a successful article marketer making good money that thinks a dog training article on EZA is as relevant as the same article on the dog training authority site. With respect, it simply isn't.

          Now...Is it that time again?



          Kim, when I go into niches now, because of the huge and very relevant traffic I pick up from syndication, I specifically look for authority sites as part of my research.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Kim, when I go into niches now, because of the huge and very relevant traffic I pick up from syndication, I specifically look for authority sites as part of my research.
            I have not done this before and was hoping to learn a little more about the actual process of finding these sites and contacting the site owners. Do you basically just search through Google for high page rank sites within your niche and then send the site owner an email asking him or her if they want content from you or something similar to this? Do you use ezine directories?
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

              I have not done this before and was hoping to learn a little more about the actual process of finding these sites and contacting the site owners. Do you basically just search through Google for high page rank sites within your niche and then send the site owner an email asking him or her if they want content from you or something similar to this? Do you use ezine directories?
              To be honest I just look at who's on the first page of Google and the authority sites that way. I try and avoid monetised sites and go for more hobby, enthusiast etc sites. If they're not profit focused they often appreciate getting the content because it saves them writing or paying for it. It does have to be very good though, I often pay good money to have the articles written if I don't have time. I really mean good money too.

              I approach them with a view to having a long term relationship, to be honest, I'm extremely polite and focused purely on being helpful. It's a relationship building exercise which doesn't really fit in with the "get rich yesterday mob", which no doubt is why only a few do it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                To be honest I just look at who's on the first page of Google and the authority sites that way. I try and avoid monetised sites and go for more hobby, enthusiast etc sites. If they're not profit focused they often appreciate getting the content because it saves them writing or paying for it. It does have to be very good though, I often pay good money to have the articles written if I don't have time. I really mean good money too.

                I approach them with a view to having a long term relationship, to be honest, I'm extremely polite and focused purely on being helpful. It's a relationship building exercise which doesn't really fit in with the "get rich yesterday mob", which no doubt is why only a few do it.
                Thank you yet again.

                When you say that you pay really good money to have an article written, what are we talking about, $100 or more?
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              • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                To be honest I just look at who's on the first page of Google and the authority sites that way. I try and avoid monetised sites and go for more hobby, enthusiast etc sites. If they're not profit focused they often appreciate getting the content because it saves them writing or paying for it. It does have to be very good though, I often pay good money to have the articles written if I don't have time. I really mean good money too.

                I approach them with a view to having a long term relationship, to be honest, I'm extremely polite and focused purely on being helpful. It's a relationship building exercise which doesn't really fit in with the "get rich yesterday mob", which no doubt is why only a few do it.
                To be honest, I always thought I would and people have approached me before but I have never engaged in active link exchange. Thanks for this li'l info!
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            It was cheap, and spun with ... spinnerchief.

            OK, let's have anuther........

            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post


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            • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              It was cheap, and spun with ... spinnerchief.

              OK, let's have anuther........
              Now these are the kind of "hops" that I like: never wasted, and they always convert into something rewarding, no matter the quality of one's approach.

              If only affiliate marketing was so easygoing.
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          • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            If I have a dog training site and the authority dog training site is PR6 and my dog training article linking to my dog training site goes on the front page as the latest post, compared to a PR0 page on an article directory, which do you think Google will like best?
            Truthfully, find me a successful article marketer making good money that thinks a dog training article on EZA is as relevant as the same article on the dog training authority site. With respect, it simply isn't.

            Now...Is it that time again?
            I agree 100% with the syndication approach outlined here - I've read and followed Alexa's advice on writing lengthy posts and that is when my articles really started to get syndicated.

            And hitting blog homepages with PR with my article has helped my rankings a lot.

            However - the context relevance does not matter to Google. If my diet blog gets a nice juicy anchor text from a respected authority site that has nothing to do with dieting that matters a lot.

            And Google has been pretty clear about this - this is why buying paid links (as long as you go undetected) is so effective. I don't have the link handy Matt Cutts has stated this.

            One link from any authority site (in content, anchor relevant) to your niche blog will help tremendously.


            -Vikram
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by vikramd View Post

              And Google has been pretty clear about this - this is why buying paid links (as long as you go undetected) is so effective. I don't have the link handy Matt Cutts has stated this.
              -Vikram
              That's fair enough Vikram, just not how I do things. That's not to say you're wrong at all.

              My point though is I'm trying to build a long term sustainable business, one that is looking at possible algorithm changes that may come in the future. The more natural my site is and relevant, the happier I am.

              As you said, "as long as you go undetected", well, I'm not bothered about being detected.

              I do accept what you're saying but my model, and this is just one part of my overall plan and strategy, likes relevance....A high PR link from a porn site to my imaginary dog collar site, may give me link juice but just simply doesn't fit in with my, or Alexa's, business model.

              I'd also like to know how I get a link to the said dog collar site from another site with absolutely no reason to link to mine.

              Blog comments like that on my sites get reported as nothing more than link spam or if the comment is relevant, I approve it but remove the link.

              My point being, is it looks more natural and is far easier, to get links from context relevant sites.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by vikramd View Post

                However - the context relevance does not matter to Google.
                Hi Vikram, don't expect too many experienced, successful article marketers to agree with this one - I'm "just saying".

                Nobody's denying that an off-topic backlink from a high-PR page will give you some link-juice (and obviously a lot more than an article-directory backlink, albeit that that isn't saying much), but long experience has taught me (and countless others) that a backlink from a lower-PR page that's part of a site in my niche is incomparably more worthwhile and helpful.

                You can see the effect of this yourself, even "second-hand", if you simply analyse the backlinks of some of the very highly-ranked sites in Google's SERP's: those with context-relevant backlinks can and do easily outrank those with more and higher-PR non-context-relevant backlinks.

                This is "the rule", not "the exception".

                I know that plenty of people who call themselves "SEO consultants" (they have to do that themselves because nobody else is going to) say the exact opposite (for obvious reasons!). Call me a skepchick if you want, and don't tell too many people, but all one has to do to work out whether or not they're actually talking any sense at all is simply to examine some of the plethora of readily available evidence for oneself.

                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                My point being, is it looks more natural and is far easier, to get links from context relevant sites.
                This, of course, is quite indisputable.
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                • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


                  Call me a skepchick if you want, and don't tell too many people, but all one has to do to work out whether or not they're actually talking any sense at all is simply to examine some of the plethora of readily available evidence for oneself.

                  This, of course, is quite indisputable.

                  Alright Skepchick!

                  I have to come clean - some of my bigger successes in article marketing came from following your posts.

                  But when I look at the SERP rankings for the keywords I'm targeting - that doesn't seem to be the case. And in a few cases - I'd say its pretty obvious the links are paid for.

                  So if I had to choose between an anchor text do-follow backlink from cnn.com or dietingniche.com - I'd choose CNN.

                  -Vikram
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                    Originally Posted by vikramd View Post

                    So if I had to choose between an anchor text do-follow backlink from cnn.com or dietingniche.com - I'd choose CNN.
                    I think this is why I see so many blog comments on high PR pages of sites with completely unrelated content . I can tell you, though, that I have seen more than a few sites with tons of these kinds of backlinks (tons of PR 3, 4 and 5 backlinks) and it seemed to me, based on these high PR backlinks, that their sites should be ranking better than they are.

                    For me, blog comment and article directory backlinks are simple and easy to get, so I don't know why I would continue to stop. To add to that, I'll just start finding creative ways to actively get my articles on sites with overall content related to my articles.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Moneyland
                      Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                      For me, blog comment and article directory backlinks are simple and easy to get, so I don't know why I would continue to stop. To add to that, I'll just start finding creative ways to actively get my articles on sites with overall content related to my articles.

                      What would be the drawbacks of in effect doing both methods, syndication and building backlinks to your article directories? I guess you still run the chances of ezine for example out ranking your site?
                      Is this right?

                      Just to be clear - syndication is not about building backlinks to rank in google, it is an approach where you could get re-published in Ezine for example or where you would have to pro-actively go out there yourself to seek these relevant sites - I hope I have the jist here...?

                      I am abit stuck now...... I have my own ebook product with a static html website, not sure about "posting the articles here first"...could this syndication method still work well for me?

                      This info on here is fantastic, thanks.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                        Originally Posted by Moneyland View Post

                        What would be the drawbacks of in effect doing both methods, syndication and building backlinks to your article directories?
                        I don't want to build backlinks to anything I don't own. That's not going to help me. All I'm saying is that I'm trying to find a method that works best for me. I'd love all of my articles to end up on authoritative blogs which also contain relevant content to my sites. And I'll work hard to get that. But I'll also take the cheap and easy links too.

                        Originally Posted by Moneyland View Post

                        I guess you still run the chances of ezine for example out ranking your site? Is this right?
                        That's the only conclusion I can come to.
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                        • Profile picture of the author ELK
                          Kim,

                          If you remember what Alexa Smith has said, this kind of effect is temporary and generally improves the more you build the prowess of your own site.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                            Originally Posted by ELK View Post

                            this kind of effect is temporary and generally improves the more you build the prowess of your own site.
                            What "kind of affect"? Would you mind clarifying, please?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                        Originally Posted by Moneyland View Post

                        What would be the drawbacks of in effect doing both methods, syndication and building backlinks to your article directories?
                        They're not "your" article directories. They're "other people's" article directories. And this is the point.

                        Originally Posted by Moneyland View Post

                        I guess you still run the chances of ezine for example out ranking your site? Is this right?
                        Absolutely. In the long run, you damage your own site's SEO, and end up with a site that's outranked by article directories for its own keywords. Not a pretty sight ... I mean "site" (maybe). This is explained in much more detail in the second half of this post.

                        Originally Posted by Moneyland View Post

                        Just to be clear - syndication is not about building backlinks to rank in google
                        It is partly about that. Through syndication, one aims to achieve (among other, sometimes more important and relevant things) backlinks of a quality and link-juice-value one can never find in an article directory (where the available backlinks are all non-context-relevant, PR-0 ones - even in EZA).

                        Originally Posted by Moneyland View Post

                        it is an approach where you could get re-published in Ezine for example or where you would have to pro-actively go out there yourself to seek these relevant sites - I hope I have the jist here...?
                        Some of each. Ezine publication won't bring you backlinks ("ezines" typically being sent out by email - though it's possible one copy of some really well-known ezines may get archived online, it's true) but can still bring good, appropriate, targeted traffic (and therefore sales).

                        My own syndication comprises two main kinds (there are other kinds available, too):-

                        (i) Copies syndicated by people with whom I'm in touch by email after they've previously re-published one or more of my articles from an article directory such as EZA;

                        (ii) Copies syndicated by people I don't yet know who, in their capacity as webmasters/ezine compilers, go to articles directories (again, such as and typically EZA) to source their content (and I'll then contact them and move them into the first group above, if I can).

                        Originally Posted by Moneyland View Post

                        I have my own ebook product with a static html website, not sure about "posting the articles here first"...
                        One thing's for sure: you can't lose anything by posting all your articles on your own site first, for all the reasons explained, incidentally, in this thread.

                        Just to clear up any confusion and to avoid causing any myself, please appreciate that an "ezine" (or "e-zine") is an electronic magazine, or online magazine sent out by email to interest-groups registered/opted-in to receive it. In contrast "Ezine Articles" ("EZA") is an article directory whose name is derived from the fact that it's a source of articles for ezines.

                        "Article directories" are not "ezines".

                        They're totally different things.

                        Offline journalists write "newspaper articles" (articles for newspapers). Online authors write "ezine articles" (articles for ezines).

                        These days, people who go to EZA (and to other article directories) comprise more "webmasters" than "ezine compilers", and they're more often using the material they syndicate from those sources for their websites rather than for their ezines. The principle is very similar (but their websites give you backlinks as well as traffic: their ezines give you only traffic). It would help everyone to avoid this occasional confusion if "EZA" changed their name to "WSA" ("WebSite Articles") but I don't see this happening any time soon.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                          Copies syndicated by people I don't yet know who, in their capacity as webmasters/ezine compilers, go to articles directories (again, such as and typically EZA) to source their content (and I'll then contact them and move them into the first group above, if I can).
                          This, I think, is the major stumbling block for people who would like to go this route - where and how to find these people who have yet to syndicate some of their content.
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                          • Profile picture of the author myob
                            Of course, in addition to submitting to a few top directories, consider syndication marketing, I mean actually marketing your syndication services itself to targeted niches. Many well known ezine publishers and bloggers don't even search the top directories because of poor experiences. If you have many articles published or can produce in quantity, you can for example put them on an RSS feed and offer it as a free subscription service to niche publishers. Your articles carry a lot of implied authority when distributed by publishers themselves.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                              Originally Posted by myob View Post

                              Of course, in addition to submitting to a few top directories, consider syndication marketing, I mean actually marketing your syndication services itself to targeted niches. Many well known ezine publishers and bloggers don't even search the top directories because of poor experiences. If you have many articles published or can produce in quantity, you can for example put them on an RSS feed and offer it as a free subscription service to niche publishers. Your articles carry a lot of implied authority when distributed by publishers themselves.
                              Do you personally outsource the task of finding where to syndicate your articles? You must if you have been doing this for over 10 years now, right?

                              If so, have you found that a fairly simple thing to do? If you know exactly what methods work best for you, it seems like a simple matter of training someone to do it, no?
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                              • Profile picture of the author myob
                                Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                                Do you personally outsource the task of finding where to syndicate your articles? You must if you have been doing this for over 10 years now, right?

                                If so, have you found that a fairly simple thing to do? If you know exactly what methods work best for you, it seems like a simple matter of training someone to do it, no?
                                What Alexa and others are trying to teach you here is that the ultimate goal for your articles should be syndication. Submitting to article directories is undoubtedly the easiest method to get them published and on the path for syndication. The point is that the article directories are not your target market.

                                In the offline world, it has been understood for decades by freelancers just how essential syndication is for their livelihood; to have their articles published as regular columns in dozens or hundreds of newspapers. They work through literary or publishing agents who market these articles to newspapers, magazines, etc to gain syndication. Their goal is not to submit articles and have them just sit around until noticed, but rather actively promoted to the niche markets where they will be read and valued.

                                Somehow online over the years this got maligned with quick buck gurus, ie bum marketing etc, to spam the article directories with key words couched in nonsense and posing as "articles". As Alexa has repeatedly (and patiently) stated many times this method is damaging in the long run to your business even though there may be some short term gain in ranking. This notion of spinning articles and submitting to thousands of directories has produced a bad taste for many publishers who would normally source their content from the article directories.

                                It is still good practice to always submit articles to the top directories, but note this is not the final destination for your articles. Ideally, it is only the beginning. As we have tried to emphasize here, the highest and best use of articles is when they are widely distributed, or syndicated. When your first articles do get syndicated, keep these publishers close and write for them again. My articles (well, my writers' articles actually now) have been regularly submitted to some well known ezine publishers and bloggers for nearly a decade. This is not to brag, (although I can) but rather to show the direction to aim for.

                                The reference to an RSS feed earlier in this post is an option I give to many of my ezine and blog publishers is what can happen when you start producing quality articles in quantity. Note that quality comes first, which is often contrary to what is considered "article marketing". My network of publishers come to me for sourcing content rather than the article directories. So my function actually is really not as a writer any longer, only because I am fortunate to have a staff of full-time writers. What I mostly do is marketing, some of which includes locating more publishers to syndicate articles for my staff writers. Syndication truly is article marketing at its finest, and is the reason for writing quality articles.
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                                • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                  Originally Posted by myob View Post

                                  What Alexa and others are trying to teach you here is that the ultimate goal for your articles should be syndication. Submitting to article directories is undoubtedly the easiest method to get them published and on the path for syndication. The point is that the article directories are not your target market.
                                  There's my question actually.

                                  Say, you have an article submitted in an (or perhaps many) article directories.

                                  Let's consider the consequences:
                                  • You gain a backlink from a non-PR, somewhat contextual page - For 1000 backlinks, you have to submit ONE article to thousand directories (which I don't prefer since it is working against the search engines), or THOUSANDS articles in one directory (not much ROI, I must say!)
                                  • Your article is republished by webmasters or ezine owners - Most website owners want unique content for themselves, so many would NOT come to search for articles in an article directory (needless to say, quality of articles in article directories are going down, so that creates a negative opinion about them too). And even if some do come to republish articles, do they legally place your links in their site or ezine? I doubt that.
                                  • Well, you think you will gain traffic - Do you?! The traffic that comes to the article directory is TRAFFIC to the article directory. They may choose to click on your link or the other related links on the article page. So, it is 8:2 out of 10 clicks (that's my experience tells me). And needless to say, the traffic withers out over the time.

                                  So what are we getting at here?!

                                  Call me a cynic! But I am a student of business management and administration, and I am trained to tend to details each and every time, I make a decision about the viability of a business move.

                                  And yes, if you are onto just article marketing, by sheer force, you CAN get results!

                                  But when it comes to a solid marketing strategy, forum posting, blog commenting and social media seems much easier to get traffic!

                                  And that's why I ask for some proof here.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                                    Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                                    ...Call me a cynic! But I am a student of business management and administration, and I am trained to tend to details each and every time, I make a decision about the viability of a business move.

                                    And yes, if you are onto just article marketing, by sheer force, you CAN get results!

                                    But when it comes to a solid marketing strategy, forum posting, blog commenting and social media seems much easier to get traffic!

                                    And that's why I ask for some proof here.
                                    There is nothing wrong with being a cynic. I'm trying hard to be gentle here, but throwing a tantrum that being a student somehow are credentials to be taken seriously looks rather silly and strains logic. There was never any mention in this thread that article marketing is the only method or even the most effective marketing method. However, experienced writers have offered their experience because we have been where you are now. Brute force article marketing is not effective. If you do your homework perhaps you will eventually come to the same conclusion. We've done the homework and graduated.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                                      There is nothing wrong with being a cynic. I'm trying hard to be gentle here, but throwing a tantrum that being a student somehow are credentials to be taken seriously looks rather silly and strains logic. There was never any mention in this thread that article marketing is the only method or even the most effective marketing method. However, experienced writers have offered their experience because we have been where you are now. Brute force article marketing is not effective. If you do your home work perhaps you will eventually come to the same conclusion. We've done the homework and graduated.
                                      And what makes you think I am STILL a student in this field?!

                                      I admire you offering your experience...but I am just questioning your experience (pardon me for me). Why are you getting so agitated in the first place?

                                      And I like what the other person above me commented. Automation is the key to Effective Article Marketing!

                                      When I am talking here, I am talking how easy and cost-friendly it can be done. So when it comes to that, article marketing is NOT that cheap unless you work your arse off (pardon my language) all day long.

                                      Okay, here's a question for you. If somebody says they have around 2-3 hours a day and they would like a NO-COST method of article marketing, what would you suggest?

                                      And I really respect your opinions one more time. I believe you are certainly more experienced than me, of course!
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                                      • Profile picture of the author myob
                                        Search the topics already written on the subject in this thread and others, specifically article syndication.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                          Originally Posted by myob View Post

                                          Search the topics already written on the subject in this thread and others, specifically article syndication.
                                          That's okay. Thanks anyway.
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                                            Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                                            That's okay. Thanks anyway.
                                            I wouldn't dismiss the search function on this site. It works very well and you can narrow topics down with precision.
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                                            • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                              Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                                              I wouldn't dismiss the search function on this site. It works very well and you can narrow topics down with precision.
                                              If you just know, I am not a newbie in this field I asked a question and didn't get the answer. That's it.

                                              It doesn't matter that much. People will always hold onto their opinions. We as humans resist to change. Very few have the capability to question themselves.

                                              I guess in a forum, we are here to exchange our thoughts and ideas. And when somebody asks something, all you do is point at the search button, you are NOT participating in the forum.

                                              But, that's okay I guess.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author myob
                                                Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                                                If you just know, I am not a newbie in this field I asked a question and didn't get the answer. That's it.

                                                It doesn't matter that much. People will always hold onto their opinions. We as humans resist to change. Very few have the capability to question themselves.

                                                I guess in a forum, we are here to exchange our thoughts and ideas. And when somebody asks something, all you do is point at the search button, you are NOT participating in the forum.

                                                But, that's okay I guess.
                                                Ron, I apologize for being a little gruff with you. But what proof do you need, that you can't try yourself?
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                                                • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                                  Originally Posted by myob View Post

                                                  Ron, I apologize for being a little gruff with you. But what proof do you need, that you can't try yourself?
                                                  Paul, I guess we are digressing from the topic of the thread - How does article marketing work?

                                                  And if you still insist , I have one question - what are we doing article marketing for, according to you? Why do you do it? Your main reason?
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                                              • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                                                Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                                                If you just know, I am not a newbie in this field I asked a question and didn't get the answer. That's it.

                                                It doesn't matter that much. People will always hold onto their opinions. We as humans resist to change. Very few have the capability to question themselves.

                                                I guess in a forum, we are here to exchange our thoughts and ideas. And when somebody asks something, all you do is point at the search button, you are NOT participating in the forum.

                                                But, that's okay I guess.
                                                All I was attempting to say is that I have found the search function on this site to be useful.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
                      Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                      I think this is why I see so many blog comments on high PR pages of sites with completely unrelated content . I can tell you, though, that I have seen more than a few sites with tons of these kinds of backlinks (tons of PR 3, 4 and 5 backlinks) and it seemed to me, based on these high PR backlinks, that their sites should be ranking better than they are.
                      There are so many different factors at work here - especially with blog commenting.

                      The PR is sometimes associated to the main index - not the blog page. If the PR is associated to the blog page, after the 50th or so comment, you're on a sub page (which has no PR!).

                      Honestly - profile links and blog commenting just gives me a headache thinking about it.

                      I believe the reason syndication is so effective is because the anchor text is in the body of a blog post or article.

                      Google has been pretty open about how they combat link spam and what they are looking for (unless you're conspiratorial and think they're throwing us off the scent).

                      The best links to get are on the homepage (where the bulk of the PR is) and within the content of a blog post or article.

                      That's what my own experiments have shown. I can say that also having tried out a few paid blog networks - the ones that worked like this were also the ones that helped the most.

                      -Vikram
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                      • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                        Originally Posted by vikramd View Post

                        I believe the reason syndication is so effective is because the anchor text is in the body of a blog post or article.
                        I look at syndication more of as a way to get content in front of targeted audiences. It makes sense to me that a link from a site an article in syndicated on is going to be worth than a link from a page with a higher PR, but with content unrelated to my site.

                        Combine this with some lower value backlinks, and it all adds up, in my estimation.
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              • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                A high PR link from a porn site to my imaginary dog collar site, may give me link juice but just simply doesn't fit in with my, or Alexa's, business model.

                My point being, is it looks more natural and is far easier, to get links from context relevant sites.
                Well - I wouldn't advise reaching out to porn sites for anything other than finding some high quality porn for you and your loved ones ;-)

                But, I'll give you an example - I approached a political blogger (high PR on his main page) about giving him some free content to publish around dieting (he's been on a diet and in between blogging about politics also blogs about his diet) - and that PR + anchor text did wonders for my keyword ranking.

                Google says they don't pay that much attention to the relevancy of the sites - it's pretty common and natural for someone who blogs about gold stocks to also blog about politics and maybe even on occasion about their dogs (and favorite dog collars).

                I'm saying that my own testing has shown (and Google seems to verify this) that the quality of the site (page rank of the page, authority etc.) matter more than them being in your niche or even relevant to your niche.

                This isn't a religious debate for me - and I don't consider myself to be a SEO guru!

                -Vikram
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        • Profile picture of the author fathertime
          These guys really have some great advice here. I would suggest buying a few articles, spinning them, and submitting them to some highly relevant blog sites as opposed to just e-zines.

          The truth of the matter is, some of these guys are right about how it will hurt you in the long run if your goal is to dominate particular keywords. You will in turn boost the rankings of these e-zines and not your site. Besides, blogs are a bit more popular than regular articles nowadays, as people have the opportunity to get interactive with commenting.

          You can even then integrate some social networking with this method, and really generate some serious traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Yu
    Short and simple..

    Write your base on 1% to 2% keyword ratio.

    You will get first blast of traffic from the directory's wall and subsequent traffic from Google's search and backlinking from other users.

    Tim
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  • Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

    I heard many people say that articles can really boost a website' SEO. I have done lots of black hat links recently, and I don't think those links work really well for me. I mean, I can spend like 10 hours in front of my computer to do profile links then ping, submit rss, blah blah blah. But They don't work. =.=| Really don't, at least in my experience. Only 1 out of 10 get indexed by yahoo, and none out of 100 get indexed by Google. I really hope that I can write articles, but the truth is that I really don't have the talent to do it, I have only been using English for four years. So, the only way is to buy articles then. I saw this website aplusarticlewriting dot com on Google search result. 7 dollars each 400 words article. I'm about to try, unless someone can tell me if there are any good services they know about. I will appreciate that. And additional questions are, how does article marketing really work as a SEO tactic? How it supposed to bring traffic to my site. I know that unique articles are nice to post in my blog.
    Hi! These are based from my experience and test results:

    1. When targeting keywords, weigh global search volume and the "strength" of the top 10 or 20 page and domain results. By "strength", this most likely means domain age, Google PR, number of backlinks and domain authority of the top 10 or 20 domain and page results. "Domain authority" is possibly affected by the domain age, Google PR, number of backlinks and the domain authority of the pages and domains where the backlinks of the site and page are found.

    2. When writing articles, always keep in mind KISS, 1-1 1-1 3-5-7 and A.I.D.A. KISS = Keep It Short and Simple. 1-1 1-1 3-5-7 = One main concept, one paragraph \ One thought, one sentence \ A paragraph has around 3 to 5 sentences, and a sentence around 7 words. A.I.D.A. = Attention Interest Desire Action = Grab their Attention. Entice them to read further by informing, educating and entertaining them with updated, useful info/advice relevant to their needs and problems. Make them desire more of your content by making them think and feel you are a friendly expert source of updated info/advice/content that's relevant and useful for solving their problems and satisfying their needs to further improve their lives. Remind them to act accordingly at this point.).

    3. Optimize content for both readers and search engines. To optimize it for readers, keep this in mind: KISS, 1-1 1-1 3-5-7, A.I.D.A., and the content should inform, educate and entertain them with updated info/advice which they will find useful for satisfying their needs and solving their problems to further improve their lives. For optimizing it for search engines, I for one find this to be the most beneficial keyword placement method for me, based on my test results over the years: Main keyword once in title, preferrably in leftmost section of the title, and between the 1st and 20th word of every 120 words, preferrably in the 1st sentences of paragraphs and as subheadings. Each related keyword = Once between 21st and 50th word of every 120 words, preferrably in last sentences of paragraphs and as subheadings. Each LSI keyword = Once between 51st and 80th word of every 120 words, preferrably in sentences between the 1st and last sentences of paragraphs. For content length, I suggest 500 to 800 words, striking a balance between optimal reader responsiveness and effective search engine optimization.

    4. Optimize the website and content of the pages linked by the resource box for readers and search engines. Optimize Website = Should have optimized visual impact and navigability. Should have optimized media content richness. Should have optimized content page and linking hierarchy. Should have optimized meta info (title/keywords/description). Should have optimized robots.txt and sitemap.xml. Sitemap.xml should be submitted to Google. Site should be W3C and XML compliant. Site should have optimized key title/heading components and alt attributes. Site should implement Web accessibility standards. Site should be optimized for optimal "crawlability", "indexability" and "servability/rankability". Content Page Optimization = Should be optimized for optimal reader responsiveness and search engine "crawlability", "indexability" and "servability/rankability". Should be optimized in terms of providing info/advice/content which supplements the article content to provide readers with benefits not found in article content. Should be optimized for reader action most beneficial for site owner/article author.

    Article marketing works by:
    1. An article could use the strength of an article directory for good search engine rankings. "Strength" = domain age, Google PR, number of backlinks and domain authority of the article directory. Good search engine rankings = Possibly more traffic for linked pages. More possible traffic = More possible sales/site owner benefits.

    2. An article could use the wide reach of an article directory. If readers read a high ranking article under the same category, a list of the most updated, most viewed and most syndicated articles are also displayed. If your article is included, it'll get more exposure to a wider reader market. More exposure = More possible traffic. More possible traffic = More possible sales/site owner benefits.

    3. More possible traffic and wider exposure = More possible site owners syndicating your article, building backlinks and widening the exposure of your business, site/s and page/s in the process. Also, more traffic and wider exposure = More readers virally sharing, social bookmarking, Twitting, FB Liking, etc. as well as naturally linking to your article on their own sites and the sites where they frequently hang out, building more backlinks and widening the exposure of your site/s, page/s and business in the process.

    4. Your article will send Google PR love from the dofollow article directory page and domain to your linked page/s and domain/s. A good Google PR for your domain/s and page/s could improve the search engine rankings of your domain/s and page/s for your target keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author BinBinWu
      Wow, my king
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    • Profile picture of the author ForeignProfessor
      Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

      2. When writing articles, always keep in mind KISS, 1-1 1-1 3-5-7 and A.I.D.A. KISS = Keep It Short and Simple. 1-1 1-1 3-5-7 = One main concept, one paragraph One thought, one sentence A paragraph has around 3 to 5 sentences, and a sentence around 7 words. A.I.D.A. = Attention Interest Desire Action = Grab their Attention. Entice them to read further by informing, educating and entertaining them with updated, useful info/advice relevant to their needs and problems. Make them desire more of your content by making them think and feel you are a friendly expert source of updated info/advice/content that's relevant and useful for solving their problems and satisfying their needs to further improve their lives. Remind them to act accordingly at this point.).
      Skimmers, if you missed this, read it again. If you've read this quote and understand it, you've just understood 2-3 WSOs. If you read the rest of the post you've gained another couple too.

      Quality advice in short sharp format. Of course, it's harder to implement than understand =)
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    • Profile picture of the author panket
      I am a seoer, i had done this work almost two years. i have a question, how long would the backlink change into pagerank?
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  • Profile picture of the author ongkal
    how do you rank your articles and how long should you expect the article to show in any desirable page in the SERPS if you did the keyword research right?
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    • Profile picture of the author shmeeko69
      I started off writing articles in Setember 2009, but my tactics were all wrong and was getting nowhere fast.

      I used to write articles without reasearching the available keywords and what like the competition was for the relevant words.

      A golden rule now is that, I choose in demand products with either online shopping channels or clickbank/paydotcom ebooks and write about three to four articles on each chosen product.

      I only now submit to Ezine and make the articles are about 300 words long with the relevant backlinks in the resource box.

      If you get in early with a new product or ebook and you get your artciles indexed and on to page 1 for your keywords with google then, you will by the law of averages get a few sales.

      Whilst I'm not making tons of money, because I changed my approach I now get a steady amount of sales with clickbank, paydotcom, darwin, commission junction, tradedoubler and amazon.

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      • Profile picture of the author ankitnagpal
        Originally Posted by shmeeko69 View Post

        I started off writing articles in Setember 2009, but my tactics were all wrong and was getting nowhere fast.

        I used to write articles without reasearching the available keywords and what like the competition was for the relevant words.

        A golden rule now is that, I choose in demand products with either online shopping channels or clickbank/paydotcom ebooks and write about three to four articles on each chosen product.

        I only now submit to Ezine and make the articles are about 300 words long with the relevant backlinks in the resource box.

        If you get in early with a new product or ebook and you get your artciles indexed and on to page 1 for your keywords with google then, you will by the law of averages get a few sales.

        Whilst I'm not making tons of money, because I changed my approach I now get a steady amount of sales with clickbank, paydotcom, darwin, commission junction, tradedoubler and amazon.

        Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkSherris
    Head over to freelancer.com, you can get articles way cheaper than $7, more like $2.50 and that's 500 words!
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    • Profile picture of the author RightGood10
      Originally Posted by MarkSherris View Post

      Head over to freelancer.com, you can get articles way cheaper than $7, more like $2.50 and that's 500 words!
      Thats not bad if its 3 bucks for a 500 worder! thanks for the tip toppety mate
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  • Profile picture of the author seo_submission
    Hello You can get Lots articles writers to boost traffic on your site. Well Article Must be written manually and 100% copy scape which when read it is touched to our heart. It must be Professionally written with high English. Well Articles with 500 Words is written with $3.5 at minimum rate with Quality. You can get on this Forum in World for hire column just search properly. Well there are other services also to boost traffic.

    Well You must submit article in top 30 Articles directories weekly that is enough.
    Dont go for lots submission this leads to spamming.
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    • Profile picture of the author ankitnagpal
      Originally Posted by seo_submission View Post

      Hello You can get Lots articles writers to boost traffic on your site. Well Article Must be written manually and 100% copy scape which when read it is touched to our heart. It must be Professionally written with high English. Well Articles with 500 Words is written with $3.5 at minimum rate with Quality. You can get on this Forum in World for hire column just search properly. Well there are other services also to boost traffic.

      Well You must submit article in top 30 Articles directories weekly that is enough.
      Dont go for lots submission this leads to spamming.
      agree with you. 1 article a day is just enough for targeting a keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author joesfortune
    I guess you will be compounding your problems if you buy articles. The only thing sure about it is that you paid for it. Other than that, it is a ball game. seo is a ball game. What is best, in my view, is to write your articles, if you are up to writing, and then submit them to good article directories. Pretty soon, somebody will notice you.
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    Thanks for share great information.I think it will be very helpful for seo beginners..SEO is very important for online businesses because it generates free traffic which is the best type of traffic and its targeted too which brings in good conversions.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticleGrinder
    Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

    I heard many people say that articles can really boost a website' SEO. I have done lots of black hat links recently, and I don't think those links work really well for me. I mean, I can spend like 10 hours in front of my computer to do profile links then ping, submit rss, blah blah blah. But They don't work. =.=| Really don't, at least in my experience. Only 1 out of 10 get indexed by yahoo, and none out of 100 get indexed by Google. I really hope that I can write articles, but the truth is that I really don't have the talent to do it, I have only been using English for four years. So, the only way is to buy articles then. I saw this website aplusarticlewriting dot com on Google search result. 7 dollars each 400 words article. I'm about to try, unless someone can tell me if there are any good services they know about. I will appreciate that. And additional questions are, how does article marketing really work as a SEO tactic? How it supposed to bring traffic to my site. I know that unique articles are nice to post in my blog.
    $7 per 400 word is really on the higher end of price. You can get decent qualities at 1c per word. Do look around at the Warriors for Hire section. You can find many people offering their services. I would advise you try at most 5 articles from any service to see their quality first before committing more to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author waken
    Hi BinBin..

    Your English might not be perfect but it should be able to pass most if not all article directories.

    Believe me..

    However, if $$ is not an issue to you.. then go ahead to outsource the hectic work. Just see thing from an employer's point of view instead of an employee. You'll get a clearer picture on how to build your business instead of making some quick cash.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    It’s all about the backlinks. Getting the link posted on as many sites as possible will help increase your page’s page rank and make it appear on the first pages of search results. Make sure to submit them on high ranking article directories or as many as you can get more links.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    It's all about the backlinks. Getting the link posted on as many sites as possible will help increase your page's page rank and make it appear on the first pages of search results. Make sure to submit them on high ranking article directories or as many as you can get more links.
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  • I can't wait to see Alexa Smith enter this thread. She would be ripping her hair out with some of the 'advice' offered here.

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    • Originally Posted by TheAnnoyingOrange View Post

      I can't wait to see Alexa Smith enter this thread. She would be ripping her hair out with some of the 'advice' offered here.


      no kidding, where is Alexa the queen of
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    you really have to realise the true power of having a unique high quality article, compare to something a 5 year old can write.

    I see many articles online, and the high quality ones will continue to bring you sales and optins for years to come.

    I have one article I spent a while writing I posted it in at the end of 2008, and two years later I still know that I can be down the beach or shopping and that same article will bring targeted traffic to your site. it is almost like it has gone viral now.

    That is the true raw power of what is being talked about in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author chuckdavis
    I target long tail keywords from about 1500 to 3000 views per month global. They need to be PR 2 or less. I write an article for Ezine articles and then spin the article and submit it to about 200 sites with backlinks back to the ezine article. This gets it to rank high, usually page 1 on google.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Dolan
      Originally Posted by chuckdavis View Post

      I target long tail keywords from about 1500 to 3000 views per month global. They need to be PR 2 or less. I write an article for Ezine articles and then spin the article and submit it to about 200 sites with backlinks back to the ezine article. This gets it to rank high, usually page 1 on google.
      This works well!!
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hello,

    Originally Posted by chuckdavis
    I target long tail keywords from about 1500 to 3000 views per month global. They need to be PR 2 or less. I write an article for Ezine articles and then spin the article and submit it to about 200 sites with backlinks back to the ezine article. This gets it to rank high, usually page 1 on google.

    Why do you backlink to the ezine article from theese 200 sites, not backlinking to your money site?

    So then the ezine articlesbecome a goog google position ,your money site not?

    Please explain.

    with best wishes
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      • Profile picture of the author schttrj
        Originally Posted by ArticleGrinder View Post

        $7 per 400 word is really on the higher end of price. You can get decent qualities at 1c per word. Do look around at the Warriors for Hire section. You can find many people offering their services. I would advise you try at most 5 articles from any service to see their quality first before committing more to them.
        Can't command you on what price you can afford or should go for, BUT my suggestion as a professional writer and internet marketer myself...look for ROI! Even if $7 per article seems high because you have to PAY that now, it might turn out to be just what you need when it comes to long term marketing strategy.

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        A lot of people do this, Marco.

        With respect, there's really no point in asking them why: it's invariably because they imagine that they're getting traffic from an article directory when what they're actually doing (by boosting EZA's site instead of their own, or in some cases "as well as their own") is sending traffic to an article directory - and getting back only whatever the AdSense and other distractions don't mop up. Many people genuinely don't quite realise what a counter-productive long-term mistake this is.

        This is something I completely avoid.

        I want to build my own sites, not other people's, even if I have my own backlinks on the pages to which I'd be sending traffic and making links.

        With EZA articles, for instance, there can definitely be a short-term traffic advantage to building backlinks to them, but it's the classic case of "the descending ceiling" to do so, and is really short-sighted: it can produce some fast traffic and fast commissions, but every inch you raise yourself up in that way silently lowers the ceiling by three inches and limits the height you can eventually reach. The more you do it, the more certain it becomes that in the long run, you're shooting yourself in the elegantly high-heeled foot and will end up with an article directory permanently outranking your own site for your own keywords (not exactly an ideal way to build a business!).

        Many people do this, because of the potential for a small, fast benefit from it, don't quite appreciate the long-term damage, and end up consigning themselves, almost by force, to a "rinse and repeat" model of article marketing instead of a "building a business" model.

        In short, it's one of those things that many people do, not quite appreciating that the more they do it, the more they're potentially damaging their own business assets. In the long run there's a big loss in terms of opportunity-cost. For many people, that's ultimately quite likely to be the difference between making a living and not making a living.
        To add to what Alexa said...

        When you add articles to an article directory, it will NOT rise up in ranking just by itself (unless it is really long tail!). So, you do the work on getting that article up in the search engine ranking.

        Now, when someone reaches that particular article, they may stay on Ezinearticles, click on other ads or click to your site. So, you are creating a 33-33-33 situation.

        Now, if you leave the articles just as they are, they might not get HUGE amount of traffic, they will still have that backlink to your site. So, you may NOT see any instant rise in traffic to your site but over the time, good number of articles submitted to article directories (through long tail traffic) will provide you traffic and will also help your site rise up in the search engines, which you actually want.

        So, with an article directory, I would say...look for traffic (may be in the short run), BUT mainly for backlinks.

        I will want to hear what other article marketers would have to say.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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          Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

          So, with an article directory, I would say...look for traffic (may be in the short run), BUT mainly for backlinks.
          Why backlinks if these links are low on the totem pole as far as how much they are going to help my site rank in the different search engines?

          It seems to me that time is better spent focusing on obtaining higher quality links, no?
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          • Profile picture of the author schttrj
            Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

            Why backlinks if these links are low on the totem pole as far as how much they are going to help my site rank in the different search engines?

            It seems to me that time is better spent focusing on obtaining higher quality links, no?
            And how would you define a QUALITY link?
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            • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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              Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

              And how would you define a QUALITY link?
              I would say that if I write an article about deep sea diving, a quality link would be from a site all about deep sea diving, with "deep sea diving" being in the URL, whether the URL of the site name itself or at least a category or a page.

              No?
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              • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                I would say that if I write an article about deep sea diving, a quality link would be from a site all about deep sea diving, with "deep sea diving" being in the URL, whether the URL of the site name itself or at least a category or a page.

                No?
                Exactly! Relevance matters. And don't you think that relevance works in the low PR article directory pages?
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                • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                  Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                  Exactly! Relevance matters. And don't you think that relevance works in the low PR article directory pages?
                  I reckon so, but, from my experience, article directory links are best thought of base links - something to build on. In other words, I'll take them, but I don't expect them to do a whole lot for me in terms of ranking my site, unless I submit to a large number of directories and have 100s of them coming in consistently. And I think my time may be better spent looking for links that are a bit more helpful.
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                  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                    Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                    I reckon so, but, from my experience, article directory links are best thought of base links - something to build on. In other words, I'll take them, but I don't expect them to do a whole lot for me in terms of ranking my site, unless I submit to a large number of directories and have 100s of them coming in consistently. And I think my time may be better spent looking for links that are a bit more helpful.
                    Here's the deal.

                    You have TWO methods of article marketing:
                    1. Submit to one or two directories and let them rank easily
                    2. Submit to over 1000 directories and open them to getting published by more ezine publishers, and also provide you backlinks

                    And yea, relevance really matters more than page rank!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                      Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                      Here's the deal.

                      You have TWO methods of article marketing:
                      1. Submit to one or two directories and let them rank easily
                      2. Submit to over 1000 directories and open them to getting published by more ezine publishers, and also provide you backlinks

                      And yea, relevance really matters more than page rank!
                      Submit to 1000 article directories? That's quite a few. I really have heard of only a few article directories. Won't most of the republishing occur from Ezine Articles, though? If were bent on republishing an article, that would be my first stop.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                      Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                      Here's the deal.

                      You have TWO methods of article marketing:
                      1. Submit to one or two directories and let them rank easily
                      2. Submit to over 1000 directories and open them to getting published by more ezine publishers, and also provide you backlinks
                      Three if you include syndication, sorry.

                      My aim in the longer term is to create authority sites, I do have backlinks from directories but not many of them. I like Google to see my site as doing things naturally.

                      I've always tended to model myself on people that are already succesful at what I want to do, which is why, for this part of my business plan I listen very carefully to Alexa and Bill, they are both very successful and worth listening to.

                      The aim of my business and all of them, is long term and it's for them to continue, even if I stop.

                      I'm not saying what you do is wrong, it's what you do and if it works for you, why change?

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

          So, with an article directory, I would say...look for traffic (may be in the short run), BUT mainly for backlinks.

          I will want to hear what other article marketers would have to say.
          The problem with that is that many other article marketers will say exactly the same. What you need to remember is that most article marketers fail. Most people drop out of the business. Two years later, they're not still here, posting about article marketing. Look at the posts of the people who are still here two years later (and I don't mean the ones starting threads with titles like "Article marketing doesn't work any more"!): there aren't as many of them, but they're saying the opposite.

          There are reasons for that.

          If you're trying to make money from article marketing, depending on backlinks from non-context-relevant, PR-0 article directory links is going to make it (not to put too find a point on it) "very difficult indeed"!

          Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

          If I am wrong, correct me. But your site ranking is judge by the domain PR on where you are getting the link from
          There's no such thing as "domain PR".

          Domains don't have PR. Pages have PR. Articles in article directories have PR-0.

          But in any case, this is a very small point. Don't get too hung up on page-rank. It's one of many factors that determine the value of a backlink. Nobody knows with certainty to what extent it's relevant, because that information is understandably not disclosed by search engines, but if you ask successful article marketers what's relevant (rather than assessing anything according to a misguided consensus of opinion), they'll all tell you the same thing: what matters with backlinks - to the extent that backlinks matter - is whether or not they're context-relevant.

          We're not using article directories to get their backlinks. (Maybe a very, very few people who've had some success, through sheer brute force and quantity, with the "rinse and repeat model" of article marketing, but really very, very few of them - most people who are doing that are in the process of a perilous journey along a learning-curve which isn't, typically, going to have a happy ending!). We're using article directories to get beyond article directories.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            It seems to me most article marketers are working way too hard. It is perhaps a sustainable business model to submit articles to directories for backlinks, as some have stated. However, this works mostly for low competition niches using long tail key words.

            But if you are targeting the high profit, highly competitive markets, you're going to fall flat on your face unless you can get your articles on high PR pages (not just sites) and/or syndicated on high authority sites/ezines. And you're not going to achieve this with $7 articles no matter how keyword rich they are.

            If anyone can out rank such highly competitve keywords such as "mesothelioma" (an extremely lucrative niche by the way) or any related long tail key words for it by submitting $7 articles to article directories, I will eat my shorts.

            Using the methods Alexa and Richard have suggested, it is possible to become profitable in any hotly competitive niche (including mesothelioma ) no matter how well the competition is ranking.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              But if you are targeting the high profit, highly competitive markets, you're going to fall flat on your face unless you can get your articles on high PR pages (not just sites) and/or syndicated on high authority sites/ezines.
              If I am in a highly competitive niche like mesothelioma, I'm not going to be looking for personal blogs on this subject to place my content, am I? In other words, I am not going to be looking for sites already monetized for cures and law suits and such, right?

              Sorry if that question seems so simple, but figured I'd ask.
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                If I am in a highly competitive niche like mesothelioma, I'm not going to be looking for personal blogs on this subject to place my content, am I? In other words, I am not going to be looking for sites already monetized for cures and law suits and such, right?

                Sorry if that question seems so simple, but figured I'd ask.
                Why not? All I can say is give that a try, because you could make it work. I only know what doesn't work in highly competitve niches.

                I brought up mesothelioma as an example, because a few years ago I was putting up blogger blogs just for Adsense earnings. When searching for the highest paying adwords I came across mesothelioma, which was something like $200 per click at the time. Not knowing anything, I actually did some research on it and posted some articles on my blog, and get four clicks on it, LOL!

                The earnings weren't that great until I tried putting Amazon affiliate links for books on mesothelioma. Some of those books were selling for $200-$300 each, (even now). The blogger blog suddenly disappeared though, (Google does that for no explainable reason), so now I'm doing very well selling those books on a WP blog.

                There are attorneys that my writers submit articles to regularly, and the byline has a link to my blog selling Amazon books regarding mesothelioma. There's tons of these books on Amazon on this topic.

                If this method is so successful with a crowded and hotly competitive niche such as mesothelioma, it will work in your niche as well. It's not easy, but it's very simple. Sending high quality articles to high quality destinations beats out all the silly games of page ranking.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                  Originally Posted by myob View Post

                  Why not? All I can say is give that a try, because you could make it work. I only know what doesn't work in highly competitve niches.

                  I brought up mesothelioma as an example, because a few years ago I was putting up blogger blogs just for Adsense earnings. When searching for the highest paying adwords I came across mesothelioma, which was something like $200 per click at the time. I actually did some research on it and posted some articles on my blog, and get four clicks on it, LOL!

                  The earnings weren't that great until I tried putting Amazon affiliate links for books on mesothelioma. Some of those books were selling for $200-$300 each, (even now). The blogger blog suddenly disappeared (Google does that for no explainable reason), so now I'm doing very well selling those books on a WP blog.

                  There are attorneys that my writers submit articles to regularly, and the byline has a link to my blog selling Amazon books regarding mesothelioma. There's tons of these books on Amazon on this topic.

                  If this method is so successful with a crowded and hotly competitive niche such as mesothelioma, it will work in your niche as well. It's not easy, but it's very simple. Sending high quality articles to high quality destinations beats out all the silly games of page ranking.
                  Thanks for replying again, Paul - I got a lot out of this post!
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          • Profile picture of the author schttrj
            Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

            Submit to 1000 article directories? That's quite a few. I really have heard of only a few article directories. Won't most of the republishing occur from Ezine Articles, though? If were bent on republishing an article, that would be my first stop.
            It was just an exaggeration!

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            The problem with that is that many other article marketers will say exactly the same. What you need to remember is that most article marketers fail. Most people drop out of the business. Two years later, they're not still here, posting about article marketing. Look at the posts of the people who are still here two years later (and I don't mean the ones starting threads with titles like "Article marketing doesn't work any more"!): there aren't as many of them, but they're saying the opposite.

            There are reasons for that.

            If you're trying to make money from article marketing, depending on backlinks from non-context-relevant, PR-0 article directory links is going to make it (not to put too find a point on it) "very difficult indeed"!
            But then again, let's say I have around 50 articles in Ezinearticles. My stats say, on overall, the articles got around 5000 views, which generated around 300 URL clicks. I have my articles republished about 27 times. And that's in over one and a half years...In short, the traffic I got from them is just negligible!!!

            At least, my Google Analytics doesn't show any remarking improvement from Ezinearticles.

            So, are we talking about QUANTITY here that would generate REALLY small amounts of traffic, or QUALITY that gets republished?!

            One thing I must say, I write my own articles and they are NOT bad at all.

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            There's no such thing as "domain PR".

            Domains don't have PR. Pages have PR. Articles in article directories have PR-0.
            I was actually talking of "home page rank"...as a non-techie, I used the home page rank as domain PR...ha ha.


            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            We're not using article directories to get their backlinks. (Maybe a very, very few people who've had some success, through sheer brute force and quantity, with the "rinse and repeat model" of article marketing, but really very, very few of them - most people who are doing that are in the process of a perilous journey along a learning-curve which isn't, typically, going to have a happy ending!). We're using article directories to get beyond article directories.
            Then again...many people republish without the resource box link...so is it really worth it? I don't think so!

            So to sum it up,
            1. Traffic = Negligible traffic that slows down over the time, unless you have HUGE amount of articles generated daily..to a few directories that would increase their chances of getting up in the SERPs..but limited backlinks!
            2. Backlinks = low PR, perhaps do-follow or not...not worth it if you don't submit to a large number of directories...just automated submission!
            3. Republishing = Not dependable..maybe just creating competition for your own blog!

            So, if you are talking about maximum benefits for minimum effort, I would say backlink building via automated article marketing is the way to go.

            Trickles of traffic with the hope that it will be rightfully republished just doesn't make much sense to me.

            Enlighten me, really!! Maybe I am doing something wrong.

            P. S. The top traffic-generating articles are built on long tail. And still the amount of traffic I am getting from them is NOT enough.
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          • Profile picture of the author ELK
            Alexa,

            A few people have mentioned how frequently some folks will take articles from directories without publishing the resource box. This certainly concerns me and I'd like to hear your experience and thoughts on this. Has this happened to you that you are aware of? Are you able to prevent or discourage it?

            Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

              If I am in a highly competitive niche like mesothelioma, I'm not going to be looking for personal blogs on this subject to place my content, am I? In other words, I am not going to be looking for sites already monetized for cures and law suits and such, right?
              Personal blogs are ideal.

              Especially for a subject like "having cancer" (since we're using that example) on which there are so many non-marketing personal blogs around.

              When doing articles/content for syndication, to get them on other marketers' sites (which you can) requires a non-salesy approach of this kind. But remember that thousands of people have blogs (some of them context-relevant to your niche) with absolutely no commercial aspirations at all.

              It's easy for us, as marketers, to think of "blogs" as being "sites one uses to make money", but this ignores many others.

              Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

              as a non-techie, I used the home page rank as domain PR...
              I hear you.

              I just always "react" to that, because when article marketing's discussed here, it's usually in terms of just article directories :rolleyes: and people often present lists of "article directories 'with their page-ranks'," sometimes not quite realising that 'their page ranks' have precious little to do with anything because one's articles don't go on their home-pages anyway. (I don't deny that a PR-0 backlink on a site with a PR-5 home-page may be worth a little more than a PR-0 backlink on a site with a PR-1 home-page).

              Originally Posted by ELK View Post

              Alexa,
              A few people have mentioned how frequently some folks will take articles from directories without publishing the resource box. This certainly concerns me and I'd like to hear your experience and thoughts on this. Has this happened to you that you are aware of? Are you able to prevent or discourage it?
              The thing to do, I think, is to deal with it with minimum input of time/effort, trying (a) to get your link added back on, and (b) to get the article taken down only if (a) fails.

              It's easy enough to do ... I always use a kind/gentle approach first. (Sometimes it's a genuine outsourcee's mistake/carelessness and happily corrected: I've made friends this way and found future syndication sites for my work).

              I have two standard, pre-written emails on file, and send the first one first. It politely draws to their attention that someone who works for them, presumably without their knowledge, appears to have taken and re-published unlawfully <whatever it was> without the resource-box from <wherever it was>, and here's a copy of the resource-box and I'd be grateful if they could please add it pronto to rectify the situation blah, blah blah" (I'm paraphrasing a little, you understand ).

              The second one, which I routinely send 7 days later, after no reply/action or after unsatisfactory reply/action, is a DMCA notice, which goes to them, their registrar, their hosting company, and Google.

              Finito. Caput. End of story. Next case, please. I then forget about it altogether and get back to earning a living.

              The point (it seems to me) is that "fear of people copying your articles without the resource-box" is no reason at all for not putting them out there for people to syndicate. If the worst really does come to the worst (which can occasionally happen, admittedly) and you manage neither to get your link(s) added back on nor to get the article removed, it hasn't done you any harm anyway - you're not really any worse off than you were before that happened: you're only worse off compared with what you'd like to have happened instead. It's not worth worrying about.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                When doing articles/content for syndication, to get them on other marketers' sites (which you can) requires a non-salesy approach of this kind. But remember that thousands of people have blogs (some of them context-relevant to your niche) with absolutely no commercial aspirations at all.
                Thanks for reply!

                Do you use ezine directories to search for some of the blogs you want to post your content on?

                What about this: what if you notice, through checking your backlinks, that a site published your article; but the site's home page has a total of 10 weak backlinks and a page rank of 0 - will you bother to contact this site owner with a request to have him or her publish more of your content?
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                  Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                  Do you use ezine directories to search for some of the blogs you want to post your content on?
                  I outsource a little to someone who does very similar things, yes.

                  Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                  What about this: what if you notice, through checking your backlinks, that a site published your article; but the site's home page has a total of 10 weak backlinks and a page rank of 0 - will you bother to contact this site owner with a request to have him or her publish more of your content?
                  Yes.

                  I won't notice its total of 10 weak backlinks or its page-rank because I'm not even interested enough in that to look (unless it's a spectacular site and one in which I become interested for its own sake).

                  And I won't look at whether they're do-follow or no-follow links either, because I want both.

                  It's a context-relevant site. This is all I need to know.

                  Once I've done the work of finding it, it takes only 5 seconds to send the email (that's already written, after all!).
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                    I outsource a little to someone who does very similar things, yes.
                    That sounds like a good use of money. I'd love to do this too, but not until I know how to effectively do it myself first.

                    Would you advise doing this without the use of a site like directoryofezines.com, or is this kind of site essential for finding context relevant blogs?

                    Thanks for replying again!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                      That sounds like a good use of money. I'd love to do this too, but not until I know how to effectively do it myself first.
                      This is very wise. When I started off, I made the mistake of outsourcing some stuff I didn't know how to do effectively myself first (in fact because I didn't know how to!). I got very lucky with the people to whom I outsourced it, but it was still a mistake: it's far better to learn first and then outsource, and not rely on being as lucky as I was.

                      Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                      Would you advise doing this without the use of a site like directoryofezines.com, or is this kind of site essential for finding context relevant blogs?
                      This is one for Paul to answer, knowing more about that than I do.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                        This is one for Paul to answer, knowing more about that than I do.
                        Paul gave it a big thumbs up, so I'm going to sign up for that service. It's $197 per year, and he said it was an important tool for him. I was just asking you because I still like to look for independent verification. You know what I'm saying?
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                        • Profile picture of the author myob
                          Originally Posted by Kim Lauren View Post

                          ...Would you advise doing this without the use of a site like directoryofezines.com, or is this kind of site essential for finding context relevant blogs?...
                          Hi Kim. It is not essential to use directoryofezines.com. It was just recommended as an alternative to slogging through the search engines for relevant ezines.

                          Don't confuse blogs with ezines. Although they both may have subscribers, the delivery is much different. I happen to prefer using targeted ezines because the content is "pushed" to the subscribers, while the blogs "pull" in their readers. But that is a nuance that will come with experience, and both are actually effective.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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                            Originally Posted by myob View Post

                            Hi Kim. It is not essential to use directoryofezines.com. It was just recommended as an alternative to slogging through the search engines for relevant ezines.

                            Don't confuse blogs with ezines. Although they both may have subscribers, the delivery is much different. I happen to prefer using targeted ezines because the content is "pushed" to the subscribers, while the blogs "pull" in their readers. But that is a nuance that will come with experience, and both are actually effective.
                            Thanks again, Paul.

                            So searching for ezines on Google is probably much the same as searching for relevant blogs to comment on - just use different search phrases and go from there? If so, I can do that.

                            But if directoryof ezines.com seems essential to your business, I'll take it as a given that it'll work well for me. Got any other essential tools you can suggest while on the subject?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hello,

    thanks Alexa for your experts.

    best wishes
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  • Profile picture of the author biscuit85
    when people publish ur artices, that's the best part!
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  • Profile picture of the author DeborahDera
    Many of the people here on the Warrior Forum write articles. I suggest checking out the WSO section and the Warriors for hire section.

    And no, $7 per article is not pricey if you're going to own the rights. A good writer is going to take time to write articles you can legally use and that are 100% unique. The less you pay, the less you get...

    Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

    I heard many people say that articles can really boost a website' SEO. I have done lots of black hat links recently, and I don't think those links work really well for me. I mean, I can spend like 10 hours in front of my computer to do profile links then ping, submit rss, blah blah blah. But They don't work. =.=| Really don't, at least in my experience. Only 1 out of 10 get indexed by yahoo, and none out of 100 get indexed by Google. I really hope that I can write articles, but the truth is that I really don't have the talent to do it, I have only been using English for four years. So, the only way is to buy articles then. I saw this website aplusarticlewriting dot com on Google search result. 7 dollars each 400 words article. I'm about to try, unless someone can tell me if there are any good services they know about. I will appreciate that. And additional questions are, how does article marketing really work as a SEO tactic? How it supposed to bring traffic to my site. I know that unique articles are nice to post in my blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author ELK
    I've had my popcorn (or coffee in this case since it's morning) on this thread since it started. It is stunning how there are two completely different conversations going on here.

    One is with Kim, Alexa, Richard, and a few others talking about syndication.

    Another is like people shouting back and forth over a crowd trying to ask questions about page rank and back links.

    I'm not sure if the back linking crowd is really listening to the value of what the syndication crowd has to say.

    Interesting indeed. And believe me, I'm taking notes on the syndication crowd. That's who I am following right now with my article marketing activities.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinfar
    Article marketing is all about getting quality articles out there that help someone and encourage them to click further in order to answer more questions that they have.
    Kevin
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  • Alexa is right, but, a few years ago trying to rank my ezine articles rather than my own site (which at the time I didn't have) is what I did for a small period just to test the waters within IM/CB. And true I then found it harder to solidify my results above the page I had tried so hard to rank.

    I however have no regrets to what I did, I think its a perfect way for someone to try it out without having to spend money on domains and hoping it will work. I guess you can say it acts as a confidence boost.

    If you have money, then I seriously recommend doing what alexa advices. If you don't, I'm not saying it's the best way.. But for starters it doesn't hurt too much to go that route for a small period.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    With so many people putting up garbage on Ezinearticles, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon, either.

    Definitely seems to me like article marketing has changed over the years- to be effective, you can't do what thousands of other affiliates try- just putting up a few articles on EZA a week and dream of making it big.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by rpkrocks View Post

      well my advice would be to buy cheap articles spun them with spinnerchief and submit them in bulk to several article directories using a article submitter , then start building links to those articles by blog commenting and social bookmarking

      I hope that helps
      It doesn't.

      Not only was it nonsense to start with, but it isn't even "harmless nonsense": the last part of it is counter-productive advice which can actually even damage people's businesses. :rolleyes: :p
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      Originally Posted by rpkrocks View Post

      well my advice would be to buy cheap articles spun them with spinnerchief and submit them in bulk to several article directories using a article submitter , then start building links to those articles by blog commenting and social bookmarking

      I hope that helps

      Apologies, but it really doesn't, mate. :p

      Not only is this just really dreadful advice, it's totally irrelevant to the form of article marketing that is being discussed here: the high-quality syndication model.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          rpkrocks well my advice would be to buy cheap articles spun them with spinnerchief and submit them in bulk to several article directories using a article submitter , then start building links to those articles by blog commenting and social bookmarking
          Originally Posted by rpkrocks View Post

          Ok, anyways i posted my point , to get bunch of links standing and pouring link juice to money site in quick time
          You sound different to your first post, or did you copy and paste your first post from somewhere else?
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  • Profile picture of the author Talha Ahmed
    Bin Bin Wo,
    I have read this thread and m late to reply all the questions here. I would only mention here that I am my self doing profile listing for two of my sites and with in a month I have near about 2000+ backlinks with that. My site's age is 36 days today and it is on 18th rank on Google. I am sure you are not doing in right way to index your links.
    Make a list of Expression Engine and all other vendors. When you will get hundreds of profiles then submit your 30 profile links into expression engine forum, into bio. Now this one link has 30 links in it. Repeat this method with all of your links. Then submit these tier two links to another bio and get a link of it.
    In last you have to work only on these few links, I do work only on 4-5 links and nearly 80%+ links get indexed by this method....
    Try it .
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  • lol. I really should have not gone back into SEO research. I stopped focusing on methods and assumptions made by other specialists a while back but after a certain post my interest has been reignited.

    Search engines track the percent of visitors that immediately return to searching after they visit a site via a search result link. A large number of immediate returns means that the content is probably not related to the corresponding topic and the ranking of such a page gets lower.Never really thought of this, maybe another reason for people who obtain top rankings only to lose them again are due to traffic leaving almost instantly meaning their content just isn't what that traffic wants for its term

    Search engines track how often a link is selected in search results. If some link is only occasionally selected, it means that the page is of little interest and the rating of such a page gets lowerAgain like above, could be due to the description and title of a site not being compelling enough to click

    Search engines check information about the owners of domains. Inbound links originating from a variety of sites all belonging to one owner are regarded as less important than normal links. This information is presented in a patent.Wouldn't be suprised if this is true

    Google patent
    Link acquisition speed boost - speculative
    Too fast = artificial? Cause of -30 penalty?
    Tough, but wouldn't that allow competition to be knocked off? but then somewhere I've read that google states linking too or being linked to by bad sites harms your position. Confusing

    The above are all theories, but make sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Winnersk
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    Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

    I heard many people say that articles can really boost a website' SEO. I have done lots of black hat links recently, and I don't think those links work really well for me. I mean, I can spend like 10 hours in front of my computer to do profile links then ping, submit rss, blah blah blah. But They don't work. =.=| Really don't, at least in my experience. Only 1 out of 10 get indexed by yahoo, and none out of 100 get indexed by Google. I really hope that I can write articles, but the truth is that I really don't have the talent to do it, I have only been using English for four years. So, the only way is to buy articles then. I saw this website aplusarticlewriting dot com on Google search result. 7 dollars each 400 words article. I'm about to try, unless someone can tell me if there are any good services they know about. I will appreciate that. And additional questions are, how does article marketing really work as a SEO tactic? How it supposed to bring traffic to my site. I know that unique articles are nice to post in my blog.
    Check out the link below...
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Tim Winnersk View Post

      Check out the link below...
      Call me a bluff old traditionalist but isn't that just a touch self promotional?
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim Winnersk
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Call me a bluff old traditionalist but isn't that just a touch self promotional?
        Dreadfully sorry old bean, I thought this was a marketing forum.

        What do you want me to do... send him to my competition?
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        • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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          Originally Posted by Tim Winnersk View Post

          Dreadfully sorry old bean, I thought this was a marketing forum.

          What do you want me to do... send him to my competition?
          I can't speak for Richard, but the point I took away from his post was that you may have been going against the rules of this forum a touch with your post. I could be wrong, though.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Tim Winnersk View Post

          Dreadfully sorry old bean, I thought this was a marketing forum.

          What do you want me to do... send him to my competition?
          Oh no old fruit,

          This is a marketing forum, well spotted. :rolleyes:

          So what you mean is, your aim here, is to take people away from this forum and redirect them to your own?

          Good plan,

          It'll be fun watching how long you do that for or how long your signature link lasts.

          EDIT. It's appears it's gone already.

          I'm also very sure, you'll be very happy as well, when I pop along to your forum and redirect them, to another one.

          Excellent plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author aj113
    Not everyone uses websites and/or blogs. Some use the articles themselves to generate traffic. In these cases it makes sense to backlink your articles in other directories.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

      Not everyone uses websites and/or blogs. Some use the articles themselves to generate traffic. In these cases it makes sense to backlink your articles in other directories.
      Let's hope so, anyway: the more of my competitors who do that, the happier (and wealthier) I'll be.
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      • Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Let's hope so, anyway: the more of my competitors who do that, the happier (and wealthier) I'll be.
        Wealthy enough as it is aren't you? :p
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      • Profile picture of the author aj113
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Let's hope so, anyway: the more of my competitors who do that, the happier (and wealthier) I'll be.
        People who market this way are not your competitors.
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      • Profile picture of the author schttrj
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Personal blogs are ideal.

        Especially for a subject like "having cancer" (since we're using that example) on which there are so many non-marketing personal blogs around.

        When doing articles/content for syndication, to get them on other marketers' sites (which you can) requires a non-salesy approach of this kind. But remember that thousands of people have blogs (some of them context-relevant to your niche) with absolutely no commercial aspirations at all.

        It's easy for us, as marketers, to think of "blogs" as being "sites one uses to make money", but this ignores many others.

        I hear you.

        I just always "react" to that, because when article marketing's discussed here, it's usually in terms of just article directories :rolleyes: and people often present lists of "article directories 'with their page-ranks'," sometimes not quite realising that 'their page ranks' have precious little to do with anything because one's articles don't go on their home-pages anyway. (I don't deny that a PR-0 backlink on a site with a PR-5 home-page may be worth a little more than a PR-0 backlink on a site with a PR-1 home-page).



        The thing to do, I think, is to deal with it with minimum input of time/effort, trying (a) to get your link added back on, and (b) to get the article taken down only if (a) fails.

        It's easy enough to do ... I always use a kind/gentle approach first. (Sometimes it's a genuine outsourcee's mistake/carelessness and happily corrected: I've made friends this way and found future syndication sites for my work).

        I have two standard, pre-written emails on file, and send the first one first. It politely draws to their attention that someone who works for them, presumably without their knowledge, appears to have taken and re-published unlawfully <whatever it was> without the resource-box from <wherever it was>, and here's a copy of the resource-box and I'd be grateful if they could please add it pronto to rectify the situation blah, blah blah" (I'm paraphrasing a little, you understand ).

        The second one, which I routinely send 7 days later, after no reply/action or after unsatisfactory reply/action, is a DMCA notice, which goes to them, their registrar, their hosting company, and Google.

        Finito. Caput. End of story. Next case, please. I then forget about it altogether and get back to earning a living.

        The point (it seems to me) is that "fear of people copying your articles without the resource-box" is no reason at all for not putting them out there for people to syndicate. If the worst really does come to the worst (which can occasionally happen, admittedly) and you manage neither to get your link(s) added back on nor to get the article removed, it hasn't done you any harm anyway - you're not really any worse off than you were before that happened: you're only worse off compared with what you'd like to have happened instead. It's not worth worrying about.
        I hear you. That was a nice little piece of advice. Was just reading a blog on that subject by Jennifer Mattern.

        But don't you think that's a little too wastage of time?! First you write articles. Then chase around thieves.

        In fact, with you literally luring the thieves by flaunting your jewelry in an open, free market, then trying to stop them when they actually steal your jewelry doesn't really make any sense to me.

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Let's hope so, anyway: the more of my competitors who do that, the happier (and wealthier) I'll be.
        Exactly! Why would someone waste one QUALITY unique article on another site?! Makes no sense to me. Why would refurbish your neighbor's house.

        Work on your own HOME, dammit!
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        • Profile picture of the author aj113
          Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

          ....Exactly! Why would someone waste one QUALITY unique article on another site?! Makes no sense to me. Why would refurbish your neighbor's house.

          Work on your own HOME, dammit!
          How is it a waste if it generates traffic and sales?
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          • Profile picture of the author schttrj
            Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

            How is it a waste if it generates traffic and sales?
            No, of course...NOT...I am a great believer of the Bum Marketing Method. I did some study on that. And the results show that it WORKS!

            But keeping the long term perspective in mind, it just doesn't prove to be the most suitable business model.

            Say, the likelihood of someone searching and reading your posts on Ezinearticles is much less than someone who visits your site and checks on your recent and related posts.

            Say, someone creates better content on Ezinearticles, it will show up better than your article. Then, you are losing out on traffic. But your blog will gain authority as you keep adding articles in it. So, in the future, it can provide huge authority to your single posts in the long run.

            Say, Ezinearticles finds somewhat that you are spamming (which is somewhat arbitrary and controversial). It can suspend your account and maybe unpublish all your post (which it most probably will not, I hope so!)...then what?!

            Just think about it. It's about your long term strategy. But as I said, I always support any "wham-bam" method there is.
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            schttrj - ...Exactly! Why would someone waste one QUALITY unique article on another site?!
            Lets have another look at this.

            What if, as I said earlier, you sold dog collars? What if your article was syndicated on a site with readers that were obsessed with dog collars? What if thousands visited daily to see the latest dog collar? What if they trusted that site?....Do I need to go on?

            "Find the hungry crowd"

            So do you go for article marketing for backlinks or syndication?

            Or as you descibe above, neither?

            What do you do with your articles if they only ever get published on your sites?
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        • Profile picture of the author jhmattern
          Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

          I hear you. That was a nice little piece of advice. Was just reading a blog on that subject by Jennifer Mattern.

          But don't you think that's a little too wastage of time?! First you write articles. Then chase around thieves.
          If you read something on that topic from me, you need to take it in context. If all you care about is article marketing (generally done with cheaper, low-value content) that's an entirely different beast from what I write for my audiences. My articles are in reference to professional freelancers -- people who make their living from their writing, and not with cheap, spammy, shallow content. These are people who charge $50 per article on the very low end and thousands on the higher end. Allowing people to steal your work diminishes your professional value, and when you work with pro markets that's not acceptable. It also doesn't take very much time. You learn to streamline the process, use automated means to find the thieves, and templated responses take care of the majority of issues quickly and easily.

          Exactly! Why would someone waste one QUALITY unique article on another site?! Makes no sense to me. Why would refurbish your neighbor's house.

          Work on your own HOME, dammit!
          Actually this has been a proven tactic for decades. "Article marketers" didn't come up with this idea. Bum marketing is essentially a rip of a tried and true PR practice. I don't personally advocate what most people think of when they hear "article marketing." But publishing elsewhere in truly high quality publications is invaluable (and no, ezinearticles doesn't count). From guest posts to publishing in trade magazines, this traditional form of "article marketing" can bring in exposure that would cost thousands to tens of thousands of dollars to reproduce in an advertising budget, and by taking the informational vs advertorial approach you increase the trust factor, improve your professional or company image, and ultimately make more sales. It makes quite a lot of sense when you know how to do it right. Your average "article marketer" these days barely scratches the surface of what's possible.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by jhmattern View Post

            Your average "article marketer" these days barely scratches the surface of what's possible.
            "Quoted for truth", as the saying goes.
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          • Profile picture of the author schttrj
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            What would a screenshot of my Ezinearticles stats prove? Besides having dozens of pen names plus contributions from my writing staff, my average article views on EZA are very, very low.

            You perhaps should review this again:
            How Does Effective Article Marketing Really Work?
            My point, there are really FEW article marketers who can prove their opinion. Why do we tend to get "screenshots" only on sales pages?!

            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Lets have another look at this.

            What if, as I said earlier, you sold dog collars? What if your article was syndicated on a site with readers that were obsessed with dog collars? What if thousands visited daily to see the latest dog collar? What if they trusted that site?....Do I need to go on?

            "Find the hungry crowd"

            So do you go for article marketing for backlinks or syndication?

            Or as you descibe above, neither?

            What do you do with your articles if they only ever get published on your sites?
            Nopes, that was not the point. You SHOULD market your articles...

            BUT for the right reason...

            You MUST post your unique content on YOUR site first, waiting to get 'em indexed and then submitting them for syndication.

            As I already said regarding Article Marketing:

            Traffic = Trickles of traffic, tending to slow down over the time...you have to generate a LOT of articles to see long-term results.

            Backlinks = I actually like the automation process of submitting articles to LOTS of directories, just for backlinks. Minimum effort, maximum gain, using your already indexed copies on your website. But I still fear that Google might tag it as spam, suited for penalty, soon!

            Syndication = Doubtful! 'cos many will just copy your posts and reprint them with including your resource box link. How many thieves can you actually chase? It's just a waste of time. Not that I am saying it matters. Google recently changed their algorithm that the original post will in most cases rank higher than the duplicated ones. But still...

            Originally Posted by jhmattern View Post

            If you read something on that topic from me, you need to take it in context. If all you care about is article marketing (generally done with cheaper, low-value content) that's an entirely different beast from what I write for my audiences. My articles are in reference to professional freelancers -- people who make their living from their writing, and not with cheap, spammy, shallow content. These are people who charge $50 per article on the very low end and thousands on the higher end. Allowing people to steal your work diminishes your professional value, and when you work with pro markets that's not acceptable. It also doesn't take very much time. You learn to streamline the process, use automated means to find the thieves, and templated responses take care of the majority of issues quickly and easily.
            Of course, I agree with you. In fact, I like what you write (okay, I refrain from too much flattery in this forum!).

            Now, what I was saying is...

            You have QUALITY content on your site. Someone steals it. You chase them. Makes sense!

            You have QUALITY content on your site. You submit that in MANY article directories for re-syndication. Someone steals it. And you don't know from where, and you are just making it far easier for the thief, providing him with many entries to your store (that is). Doesn't make much sense to me.

            Actually this has been a proven tactic for decades. "Article marketers" didn't come up with this idea. Bum marketing is essentially a rip of a tried and true PR practice. I don't personally advocate what most people think of when they hear "article marketing." But publishing elsewhere in truly high quality publications is invaluable (and no, ezinearticles doesn't count). From guest posts to publishing in trade magazines, this traditional form of "article marketing" can bring in exposure that would cost thousands to tens of thousands of dollars to reproduce in an advertising budget, and by taking the informational vs advertorial approach you increase the trust factor, improve your professional or company image, and ultimately make more sales. It makes quite a lot of sense when you know how to do it right. Your average "article marketer" these days barely scratches the surface of what's possible.
            I didn't get you here. Were you trying to say that article syndication should always be done? On relevant sites? Yes, of course. That's why we do guest posts.

            I agree to that. But I would say, as in any business, it is always better to consider the ROI first of all.
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

              ... as in any business, it is always better to consider the ROI first of all.
              Slow day for your copywriting business? You seem very defensive on some slippery issues somehow
              over-favoring massive submissions of articles to directories for backlinks. Care to explain?

              The best you have actually said here is to consider the ROI first of all.

              So is the basis of your contention for short term ROI?
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              • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                Slow day for your copywriting business? You seem very defensive on some slippery issues somehow
                over-favoring massive submissions of articles to directories for backlinks. Care to explain?

                The best you have actually said here is to consider the ROI first of all.

                So is the basis of your contention for short term ROI?
                Do you actually understand that I am shooting myself in my own foot here, by arguing against article marketing?!

                People hire me to write their website content, blogs or SEO articles for article marketing...ha ha. That's my job!

                But, to be honest, I am a TIGER according to Chinese astrology. And I am destined to speak the truth regardless of the consequences.

                What I am saying is...consider the various marketing methods in your weighing scale and find out if article marketing really provides better ROI in respect to other marketing tools.

                My research and stint at this field tells me, forum posting and social media scores LOT HIGHER than article marketing.

                And I really want others to disprove me. Show me the stats so that I can question myself.
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                • Profile picture of the author aj113
                  Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                  .......consider the various marketing methods in your weighing scale and find out if article marketing really provides better ROI in respect to other marketing tools.....
                  If you can do the whole thing start to finish on a virtual auto-pilot basis, it will make the ROI well worth it.

                  ... forum posting and social media scores LOT HIGHER than article marketing.....
                  This too. If you're going to do it, automate it. When you can do that the ROI becomes a no brainer.
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

              Nopes, that was not the point. You SHOULD market your articles...

              BUT for the right reason...

              You MUST post your unique content on YOUR site first, waiting to get 'em indexed and then submitting them for syndication.

              As I already said regarding Article Marketing:

              Traffic = Trickles of traffic, tending to slow down over the time...you have to generate a LOT of articles to see long-term results.

              Backlinks = I actually like the automation process of submitting articles to LOTS of directories, just for backlinks. Minimum effort, maximum gain, using your already indexed copies on your website. But I still fear that Google might tag it as spam, suited for penalty, soon!

              Syndication = Doubtful! 'cos many will just copy your posts and reprint them with including your resource box link. How many thieves can you actually chase? It's just a waste of time. Not that I am saying it matters. Google recently changed their algorithm that the original post will in most cases rank higher than the duplicated ones. But still...
              With all due respect Ron, Apologies if this isn't your name but I heard Myob (I believe Paul, calling you so).

              Ok, I think it's clear you don't do syndication, like I do, or Paul and Alexa does.

              Doubtful! 'cos many will just copy your posts and reprint them with including your resource box link
              Let me tackle the point above. I don't just let people syndicate my work I find highly lucrative sites with avid and in often cases very dedicated and some cases obsessed fans, they trust what they read and as the site owner has it on the site, it's automatically looked at. They support and trust the owners of the sites. When these people find these sites, they don't trawl EZA for similar articles, they have found their trusted source already.

              I actively find these sites, I don't wait and hope for thieves to find my articles and I don't waste my time chasing them if they steal them. Well, maybe ocassionally.

              I find authority sites. This is an easy concept to grasp. Imagine the top Internet Marketer had a blog and thousands upon thousands of people loved his/her content, visited daily and I got my content on his/her front page with his/her recommendation.

              Do you think I get the trickle of traffic or a thundrous rush of hungry buyers?

              If you find it hard to comprehend, try, like me, try to test it as the likes of Paul and Alexa have done and I have since done and found very profitable indeed.

              schttrj - People will always hold onto their opinions. We as humans resist to change. Very few have the capability to question themselves.
              As are you. My opinions are based on facts and a nice lifestyle as a result. No offense to you, I like you but you can't knock syndication when you don't seem to understand the benefits.

              I've done it via your way, I changed to this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tamar Peters
    Article Marketing is great for SEO. However, I suggest that you must first submit your article to ezinearticles.com, only after you have your article approved by ezine that you submit the same to other article sites.

    Also, you get backlinks in your articles thru the resource box. It's where you put a little bio of the writer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Tamar Peters View Post

      I suggest that you must first submit your article to ezinearticles.com, only after you have your article approved by ezine that you submit the same to other article sites.
      This is really inappropriate advice, I'm afraid: there's absolutely no need at all to do it this way round, and no benefit from doing so.

      All it does (and especially for people for whom EZA is on the slow side to approve, accept and publish their articles) is cause entirely unnecessary delays.

      It causes EZA no problem at all if the article has already been published elsewhere (in the same name/pen-name), however widely.

      This post contains more fully explained details of this subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    Article marketing is a long-term strategy that can gradually help your site build up credibility, links and more traffic.

    What you choose to pay for articles is a matter of personal preference. Some marketers use articles for links, while others focus on quality reading to build direct traffic.

    You'll also need to put out a lot of articles for it to have an impact.

    When done right, article marketing is a very powerful method that can earn you income. However, it's not a get rich quick solution.
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    • Profile picture of the author schttrj
      Originally Posted by Fun to Write View Post

      You'll also need to put out a lot of articles for it to have an impact.

      When done right, article marketing is a very powerful method that can earn you income. However, it's NOT a get rich quick solution.
      Exactly! That's what makes me question the viability of article marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        When done right, you really don't need many articles to make a killing even in very competitive niches. No wonder there are so many who question the viability of article marketing. Splattering massive amounts of nonsense enriched with key words to hundreds of article directories is not "article marketing".
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        • Profile picture of the author schttrj
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          When done right, you really don't need many articles to make a killing even in very competitive nices. No wonder there are so many who question the viability of article marketing. Splattering massive amounts of nonsense enriched with key words to hundreds of article directories is not "article marketing".
          That's right, Paul.

          I am a fool.

          So, do something.

          Show us your Ezinearticles stats. Just a screenshot.

          Just prove me wrong.

          I will appreciate it, trust me.

          I am here to learn and let learn. So, you are welcome.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

            That's right, Paul.

            I am a fool.

            So, do something.

            Show us your Ezinearticles stats. Just a screenshot.

            Just prove me wrong.

            I will appreciate it, trust me.

            I am here to learn and let learn. So, you are welcome.
            What would a screenshot of my Ezinearticles stats prove? Besides having dozens of pen names plus contributions from my writing staff, my average article views on EZA are very, very low.

            You perhaps should review this again:
            How Does Effective Article Marketing Really Work?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mirzon
    Hey hope you are well. I too am very new to the world of article writing, but what I have found that works is if you can relate with your readers. Your content has to be valuable to the reader at the same time as keeping them engaged into what you are saying. Develop a writing style that entertains at the same same time as educating and you will get loyal readers. Then hopefully you will get the word of mouth promotion to get others checking you out too. Plagerize different styles and idea's and produce your own. Do what Bruce Lee did and take out the best parts, leaving the not so good parts out.
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      Originally Posted by Mirzon View Post

      Develop a writing style that entertains at the same same time as educating and you will get loyal readers. Then hopefully you will get the word of mouth promotion to get others checking you out too.
      Your valuable words there strike at the very heart of article marketing. I don't remember being so impressed by someone's first post here. These are points of which many article marketers are apparently unaware. Welcome to the Warrior Forum!
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    If you want a low cost and effective article service.

    Check out my sig
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Bosen
    7 bucks for 400 words is too much.
    Check out the warriors for hire, there are tons of people who can help you write good quality articles for less than that.
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  • Profile picture of the author ELK
    Wouldn't the point of a link be not just to elevate the ranking of a site, but to provide an actual path for an already-interested person to eventually follow? In that regard, why in the world would anyone even want a non-related link to their site? I can't imagine that would do much good for very long. (even if it's from a high ranking page?)

    No matter how much you may love your dog, if you are looking for a soup recipe, the "dog training" link is just in your way at that moment. If your dog is constantly having "accidents" around the house, you may give a "WT*?" kind of response seeing a link to a soup recipe there. It makes the link-placer look like a schmo.

    I don't have any particular IM experience to back this up. I'm just saying as the average girl searching online for stuff, that plan would make no sense. And really, looking for other good articles in a particular area is a lot harder to search through on an article directory than it is on a targeted well-constructed website or blog.

    I don't know, maybe context-relevance does or doesn't matter to Google. But it sure as heck matters to the people trying to use the internet.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by ELK View Post

      No matter how much you may love your dog, if you are looking for a soup recipe, the "dog training" link is just in your way at that moment. If your dog is constantly having "accidents" around the house, you may give a "WT*?" kind of response seeing a link to a soup recipe there. It makes the link-placer look like a schmo.
      Not to people, though (arguably, I suppose) because people aren't going to read those articles anyway. Only search-engines are going to see them, and people don't mind so much looking like a schmo to a search-engine? (I'm thinking - "she said pejoratively" - of "the average spun, mass-submitted article" which isn't typically too readable in the first place ... yes, I know they can be, occasionally, don't shout at me too much). These articles are backlink-fodder only, not traffic-fodder, in other words?

      It's ironic, isn't it: the marketers using "backlink-value-only" articles are typically using them in article directories and some blog networks which are the exact places in which the backlinks have least value!?

      Originally Posted by ELK View Post

      I'm just saying as the average girl searching online for stuff, that plan would make no sense.
      Nothing I'm not used to, there: most of what I find online, in this context, doesn't make too much sense to me anyway.

      Originally Posted by ELK View Post

      And really, looking for other good articles in a particular area is a lot harder to search through on an article directory than it is on a targeted well-constructed website or blog.
      Undoubtedly.

      Originally Posted by ELK View Post

      I don't know, maybe context-relevance does or doesn't matter to Google. But it sure as heck matters to the people trying to use the internet.
      You're right, of course. But it does even to Google, I promise: the evidence in the SERP's, from backlink-checkers, and so on, is all around us.
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  • Profile picture of the author eagleshot
    Your initial post here is pretty easy to read. So, I would say that your English is good enough to write articles. Get an application, like bestspinner. Then spin each adjective in your article. If you don't have good enough ideas on your niche, simply search Ezine articles for an article on your niche and tweak it. Make it original just like you did in 8th grade class. It's really easy to have articles accepted by the big directories like ezine, articlebase or hubpages. Just use other people articles to give you ideas on what to write about, make it as original as possible by using best spinner. That will give you plenty of ideas on words to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emrick
    First you write an article on the field you are an expert on .
    Choose carefully your title, so it will be easily found on the search engines.
    Second, you make sure that you do not copy (or plagiarize) another article, which Google will strongly penalize you for.
    Third, find a software or shareware like DupeFree , which will check your content and the rate of duplication. This is useful if you decide to re-write an article.
    Fourth, submit your article on ezinearticles.com, one of, if not, the best article submitter on line.
    Don't forget to see that your bio looks professional, and to insert your website url, so your reader will find your site.
    I suggest you submit 1 to 3 articles per week.
    if you do this constantly, you should see results within a few weeks.
    You should be fine.
    To your Success !
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Lauren
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      Originally Posted by Emrick View Post

      First you write an article on the field you are an expert on .
      Choose carefully your title, so it will be easily found on the search engines.
      Second, you make sure that you do not copy (or plagiarize) another article, which Google will strongly penalize you for.
      Third, find a software or shareware like DupeFree , which will check your content and the rate of duplication. This is useful if you decide to re-write an article.
      Fourth, submit your article on ezinearticles.com, one of, if not, the best article submitter on line.
      Don't forget to see that your bio looks professional, and to insert your website url, so your reader will find your site.
      I suggest you submit 1 to 3 articles per week.
      if you do this constantly, you should see results within a few weeks.
      You should be fine.
      To your Success !
      That's just the most basic of frameworks and not anything from which to build a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author ELK
    Kim,

    Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant that Alexa has said the Ezinearticles page would outrank your own site page for a while, but it was temporary.

    I don't mean to speak for Alexa - she does an excellent job of that herself That's just what I recall her saying a few times.
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  • Profile picture of the author DLMedia03
    If you're going to outsource work, do it at thecontentauthority.com. I'm not trying to pimp them or anything, but it's where I get my out sourcing done and it works well because they have a tiered quality system that works, and I know the tiered system works because I also pick up odd jobs myself there sometimes. So I have experience both receiving and sending work there.

    By the way, as for your main question...

    Article Marketing in a Nutshell (the SERP version)
    1. Write article (or outsource)
    2. Submit to article directory with backlink in resource box to your website post with exact keyword you want to rank for
    3. After submitted to main article directory, re-submit it to a bunch of other directories that will take reprints

    This is the way you build up your SERP through article marketing. There are other ways to do article marketing to try and get traffic directly from the articles, but this is the "grind it out" method that works very well after lots of time and patience.
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  • Profile picture of the author submitcube
    Quality backlink building using some profile creation gives you good result instead of article marketing.

    ezine and followed by few other article directory posting is ok to get some good results.

    google changing algorithm everyday.
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  • Profile picture of the author angyclick
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    The main purpose of article marketing is to get back links to your site.
    It's very simple. You can write a 250 - 500 word article and post it on ezine articles or many of the other article directories.

    Make sure you put the link to your website or offer in the signature of the article.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mehak
    Why not try hiring a virtual assistant who can do the work for you? It'll be cheaper, you can monitor their work and give them specific tasks.

    Distribute your articles on as many sites as you can because this will create backlinks for your article but also your main marketing site too.

    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author BellaGrayson
    Quick question about EZA... Should you write your own preview for each article or does the site do it for you automatically?
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