How To Hire A Great Worker from the Philippines

by Efryll
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Hi a Filipino here,

I'm not here to advertise myself. It's just that, Too many people just want to hire us for a low salary and get all the work they can out of us. I'm NOT saying they're ALL like this.

Show Respect! Sometimes, they treat us like a SLAVE or a ROBOT who can throw any words they want. Yes we ALL need a job.. But please treat us like a business partner, a friend, or just a normal person who has emotion and feelings. I believe if you treat us better, you'll get something better in return. We would love to have a job, and we want to be hired by a business man who respect us..

I hope you guys understand what I want to say.......
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  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    I understand that correspondence from Philippine workers are extremely polite, they are big on respect of name and position.

    It makes sense to respond in kind.

    Some may end each email with Thank You Again For the Position.

    Be sure to give them at least Christmas and Holy Friday (For Lent) off, good employers also give their workers the day off for their birthday.

    There apparently is, in a effort to maintain social harmony, a cultural aversion to saying No, bear that in mind before testing their limits.
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  • Profile picture of the author Texas_Guns
    The most dedicated, hard-working, and honest workers
    I've personally hired and worked with over the last
    year have all been in the Philippines.

    You're right - respect does go a long way... as well as
    some bonus $$ for a job well done.
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    • Profile picture of the author Efryll
      Originally Posted by Texas_Guns View Post

      The most dedicated, hard-working, and honest workers
      I've personally hired and worked with over the last
      year have all been in the Philippines.

      You're right - respect does go a long way... as well as
      some bonus $$ for a job well done.
      And the fact that we can be loyal to our employers and can definitely build awesome friendship inside and outside of the business..
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  • Profile picture of the author markosolo
    I will never outsource to a country where wages are lower simply to save money. Not only does it make it harder for fellow workers in my own country, it also widens the gap between those who are well off, and those who struggle. If I hire someone from another country I will always pay what I would pay someone who is from Australia too.
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  • Profile picture of the author windwhirl
    I empathize with you EFRYLL. I understand what you're trying to say. But if you think you don't get the respect or the pay you deserve, then don't accept the job. I'm not saying you're at fault but I think you can't point fingers at others since you gave your consent when you accepted your job. Not complaining means saying yes. I thik not all Filipinos are underpaid and overworked. Please continue to be good in what you do and continue to be respectful, it'll pay off. It is your in your nature to be respectful so continue to do so while others get rude. Cultural differences do get in the way sometimes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Efryll
      Originally Posted by windwhirl View Post

      I empathize with you EFRYLL. I understand what you're trying to say. But if you think you don't get the respect or the pay you deserve, then don't accept the job. I'm not saying you're at fault but I think you can't point fingers at others since you gave your consent when you accepted your job. Not complaining means saying yes. I thik not all Filipinos are underpaid and overworked. Please continue to be good in what you do and continue to be respectful, it'll pay off. It is your in your nature to be respectful so continue to do so while others get rude. Cultural differences do get in the way sometimes.
      Thank you. I'll remain as what I am right now.

      It's just that I was offered by someone to work for him $30/month and you'll give them atleast 30 links a day 7/days a week from various resources. Then he said, "that's a normal rate for your country".. It just hit my nerves and I know I'm not the only one who experienced something like this..
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      • Profile picture of the author Efryll
        Btw, if you guys are looking for someone to hire in the philippines,
        maybe i can find you one in the field of IT and online marketing such as SEO, off-page or on-page, and more
        ... I have lots of friends who currently looking for a job..
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      • Profile picture of the author FatterMike
        Originally Posted by Efryll View Post

        It's just that I was offered by someone to work for him $30/month and you'll give them atleast 30 links a day 7/days a week from various resources. Then he said, "that's a normal rate for your country".. It just hit my nerves and I know I'm not the only one who experienced something like this..
        I know how it feels, I'm Indonesian and I get that a lot I just got an offer of backlinking job with many variations for $0.50/hour ! maybe they think we can buy everything in our country as long as they pay us in USD no matter how much
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        • Profile picture of the author Efryll
          Originally Posted by FatterMike View Post

          I know how it feels, I'm Indonesian and I get that a lot I just got an offer of backlinking job with many variations for $0.50/hour ! maybe they think we can buy everything in our country as long as they pay us in USD no matter how much
          It's ok If they offer little amount, as long as they're not insulting you. That would be fine. All you need to do is to decline the offer.
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      • Profile picture of the author pawelku
        Originally Posted by Efryll View Post

        Thank you. I'll remain as what I am right now.

        It's just that I was offered by someone to work for him $30/month and you'll give them atleast 30 links a day 7/days a week from various resources. Then he said, "that's a normal rate for your country".. It just hit my nerves and I know I'm not the only one who experienced something like this..
        Hi, we are looking for a dedicated hard working guy to work with us full time. We run a business and we offer good wages. We could negotiate that depending on your skill level. Me and my partner are both SEO analysts but we are now running too many sites to handle alone. We may also be looking for more than one person. Inbox me if you are interested. paul.b@financier.com
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      Most Of The Gurus Get All Their Work Done From The Philippines because of their level of expertise in their field and they are dedicated towards their work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kory Pearman
    My girlfriend is Filipino. She is a VERY hard working woman. The loyalty and respect is top notch.

    Her family is the same. I have a strong respect for Filipinos now

    And she is teaching me Tagalog!

    Every time I see her... "Mahal kita! Sayo lang ako ang ganda mo!"

    Hehe, she loves it

    P.S. She told me $1 USD is like $25 in PH... is this true? Perhaps that is why people try and get over on you with the prices?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

      My girlfriend is Filipino. She is a VERY hard working woman. The loyalty and respect is top notch.

      Her family is the same. I have a strong respect for Filipinos now

      And she is teaching me Tagalog!

      Every time I see her... "Mahal kita! Sayo lang ako ang ganda mo!"

      Hehe, she loves it

      P.S. She told me $1 USD is like $25 in PH... is this true? Perhaps that is why people try and get over on you with the prices?
      But does $25 in Filipino money have the same buying power in the Phillipines as $1 has here?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kory Pearman
        Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

        But does $25 in Filipino money have the same buying power in the Phillipines as $1 has here?
        From what I'm told... if you go to the PH with $25,000 USD, you will be a millionaire.

        And the prices are the same.(From what I'm told)

        $1 USD McChicken at Mcdonalds here is $1 (Their currency) there.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
          Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

          From what I'm told... if you go to the PH with $25,000 USD, you will be a millionaire.

          And the prices are the same.(From what I'm told)

          $1 USD McChicken at Mcdonalds here is $1 (Their currency) there.

          So then $30 USD per month would equal to about 750.00 USD?

          I think that if you could find individuals willing to work from home with great skill sets, it would be much better than going through an outsourcing company over there who probably takes a large chunk of their employees money?
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          • Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

            So then $30 USD per month would equal to about 750.00 USD?
            As a Filipino who has lived here for the past 30 years of my life and has traveled to the US, Canada, Germany and Spain for the past few years: $8 is the average price for a soft pack of Marlboro Reds. Locally, it costs $1. $15 for a beer and $20 bar price. Locally, $0.50 and $1 bar price. LA and Toronto big city rent (stayed at a hotel in Germany for a 2-day UN conference) for an apartment that's a 15-minute drive from downtown and good for a family of 3: $1000 to $1500/mo. Locally, $300 to $400/mo for an apartment that's a 5-minute drive from downtown and good for a family of 3. Restaurant and fast food prices in the US, Canada and Germany are 2.5 times more inexpensive than the prices here. Home-cooked food is also 2 times more inexpensive in the US, Canada and Germany than here, though you have options here that's 2 times more inexpensive than US, Canada and Germany food prices, clean and good food still. Hydro in Toronto and power in LA = $500 to $800/month. Locally, $100 to $250/month. Using this as a means to come up with a relevant fundamental equation, we get: Paying someone living in Manila (any nationality/race), the capital city of the country, a fourth or a fifth of US, Canadian and German wages will provide this person with the same US, Canadian and German living conditions of a person living in these countries and paid 4 to 5 times more. However, a nurse in the US, for example in Texas, is paid $5000/month. Here, it is $400/month. Both persons in this sample situation are one and the same person, my inlaw, who went to med school here and was also trained by local hospitals for 2 years. He passed the US nursing licensure exam after 8 months of review school. Here, we see a breakdown of the fundamental equation above. Why? Because being paid $5000/month in Texas is like being paid $800 here in Manila, so living conditions in Texas of my inlaw is like twice improvement of his living conditions here if he were paid $800/month. It's also a profession with high demand in the US because of the baby boomers. I'd say it's most likely the same thing with ICT (Information & Communications Technology) jobs in the US, Canada and Germany, especially since only a few people can actually do "real" ICT work, globally ("real" = know some people here who are ICT undergraduate degree holders with missing skills, knowledge and experience in key ICT tasks). This means a person living in the US, Canada or Germany would be paid $3K to $4K/month on average for an ICT job, and for the person living in Manila to experience the same living conditions, this person needs to be paid $600 to $800/month, even if decent living conditions here would cost only $300 to $400/month.

            Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

            I think that if you could find individuals willing to work from home with great skill sets, it would be much better than going through an outsourcing company over there who probably takes a large chunk of their employees money?
            Objection, your honor... Statement is an opinion or a claim with hasty generalizations which could be misconstrued by jury as factually correct...
            Objection overruled... Used "I think", "would" and "probably", though jury: Strike out statement as it is an opinion or claim which needs to be proven further to be factually correct...

            As an owner of an ICT outsourcing firm here in Manila, this is what a firm provides its employees:
            1) Standard wages for ICT jobs because foreign nationals who have incorporated here also offer such competitive wages, so if you lower it down, you'll get people with lower relevant skill sets, knowledge, experience and training.
            2) Employee benefits/insurance.
            3) Employer's share for SSS, gov't housing program and gov't health insurance.
            4) Office resources promoting a balanced work-life environment.
            5) Constant training, character and mindset formation as well as personal goal-company goal motivational programs.
            6) Constant supervision and management.
            7) Weekly and monthly performance charting systems for incentives, rewards and promotions.
            8) Office maintenance.
            9) Office resource maintenance.
            10) Accounting and administrative systems.
            11) Marketing and business development systems.

            I think it's safe to assume employees with better skill sets, knowledge and training would always prefer to work with companies providing such things. Homebased subcontractors, on the other hand, would possibly be more motivated by money over other things. And, I believe most homebased subcontractors here in Manila and in any other country would most likely prefer to work as subcontractors of a company with local legal business presence than a company outside the country. Just my opinion though. And, there are other motivations for starting an ICT outsourcing firm anywhere or any other business for that matter aside from net profits. You could read my sig below to know some of those other objectives, if you have time.
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            • Profile picture of the author Efryll
              Thank you everyone! You build me up again after reading those advice.
              currency difference?
              Let's say you can have a value meal at McDonalds for $1. :p
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              • Profile picture of the author Dagobert
                Originally Posted by Efryll View Post

                Thank you everyone! You build me up again after reading those advice.
                currency difference?
                Let's say you can have a value meal at McDonalds for $1. :p
                And the fact that we can be loyal to our employers and can definitely build awesome friendship inside and outside of the business..
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            • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
              Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

              As a Filipino who has lived here for the past 30 years of my life and has traveled to the US, Canada, Germany and Spain for the past few years: $8 is the average price for a soft pack of Marlboro Reds. Locally, it costs $1. $15 for a beer and $20 bar price. Locally, $0.50 and $1 bar price. LA and Toronto big city rent (stayed at a hotel in Germany for a 2-day UN conference) for an apartment that's a 15-minute drive from downtown and good for a family of 3: $1000 to $1500/mo. Locally, $300 to $400/mo for an apartment that's a 5-minute drive from downtown and good for a family of 3. Restaurant and fast food prices in the US, Canada and Germany are 2.5 times more inexpensive than the prices here. Home-cooked food is also 2 times more inexpensive in the US, Canada and Germany than here, though you have options here that's 2 times more inexpensive than US, Canada and Germany food prices, clean and good food still. Hydro in Toronto and power in LA = $500 to $800/month. Locally, $100 to $250/month. Using this as a means to come up with a relevant fundamental equation, we get: Paying someone living in Manila (any nationality/race), the capital city of the country, a fourth or a fifth of US, Canadian and German wages will provide this person with the same US, Canadian and German living conditions of a person living in these countries and paid 4 to 5 times more. However, a nurse in the US, for example in Texas, is paid $5000/month. Here, it is $400/month. Both persons in this sample situation are one and the same person, my inlaw, who went to med school here and was also trained by local hospitals for 2 years. He passed the US nursing licensure exam after 8 months of review school. Here, we see a breakdown of the fundamental equation above. Why? Because being paid $5000/month in Texas is like being paid $800 here in Manila, so living conditions in Texas of my inlaw is like twice improvement of his living conditions here if he were paid $800/month. It's also a profession with high demand in the US because of the baby boomers. I'd say it's most likely the same thing with ICT (Information & Communications Technology) jobs in the US, Canada and Germany, especially since only a few people can actually do "real" ICT work, globally ("real" = know some people here who are ICT undergraduate degree holders with missing skills, knowledge and experience in key ICT tasks). This means a person living in the US, Canada or Germany would be paid $3K to $4K/month on average for an ICT job, and for the person living in Manila to experience the same living conditions, this person needs to be paid $600 to $800/month, even if decent living conditions here would cost only $300 to $400/month.



              Objection, your honor... Statement is an opinion or a claim with hasty generalizations which could be misconstrued by jury as factually correct...
              Objection overruled... Used "I think", "would" and "probably", though jury: Strike out statement as it is an opinion or claim which needs to be proven further to be factually correct...

              As an owner of an ICT outsourcing firm here in Manila, this is what a firm provides its employees:
              1) Standard wages for ICT jobs because foreign nationals who have incorporated here also offer such competitive wages, so if you lower it down, you'll get people with lower relevant skill sets, knowledge, experience and training.
              2) Employee benefits/insurance.
              3) Employer's share for SSS, gov't housing program and gov't health insurance.
              4) Office resources promoting a balanced work-life environment.
              5) Constant training, character and mindset formation as well as personal goal-company goal motivational programs.
              6) Constant supervision and management.
              7) Weekly and monthly performance charting systems for incentives, rewards and promotions.
              8) Office maintenance.
              9) Office resource maintenance.
              10) Accounting and administrative systems.
              11) Marketing and business development systems.

              I think it's safe to assume employees with better skill sets, knowledge and training would always prefer to work with companies providing such things. Homebased subcontractors, on the other hand, would possibly be more motivated by money over other things. And, I believe most homebased subcontractors here in Manila and in any other country would most likely prefer to work as subcontractors of a company with local legal business presence than a company outside the country. Just my opinion though. And, there are other motivations for starting an ICT outsourcing firm anywhere or any other business for that matter aside from net profits. You could read my sig below to know some of those other objectives, if you have time.
              I was asking a question about the exchange rate, and someone suggested that it was 1 usd to 25 filipino dollars each with the same buying power, so that is what I was making my statements off of.....

              As for hiring an individual, I still believe that I personally would rather hire a very skilled individual who works from home and pay them, better than they would get payed working for someone else who outsources.

              Why? Because they would get more money from me than the employer. No, they would not get benefits for sure. But who is to say that this employee could not also work at an outsourcing firm and freelance on the side? They get best of both worlds, UNLESS they are worked to the bone at the outsourcing complany?

              Remember, I told you I thought your story was awesome, I think you turned a very unfortunate situation into something good. And that you provide a service for others in the same situation as yourself and make a healthy living from it, is great. But, thats all besides the point of what I am saying.
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              • Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                I was asking a question about the exchange rate, and someone suggested that it was 1 usd to 25 filipino dollars each with the same buying power, so that is what I was making my statements off of..... As for hiring an individual, I still believe that I personally would rather hire a very skilled individual who works from home and pay them, better than they would get payed working for someone else who outsources. Why? Because they would get more money from me than the employer. No, they would not get benefits for sure. But who is to say that this employee could not also work at an outsourcing firm and freelance on the side? They get best of both worlds, UNLESS they are worked to the bone at the outsourcing company? Remember, I told you I thought your story was awesome, I think you turned a very unfortunate situation into something good. And that you provide a service for others in the same situation as yourself and make a healthy living from it, is great. But, thats all besides the point of what I am saying.
                Hi! The exchange rate, based on the fundamental equation above, so considering living condition costs being equal, means $1 = $4 to $5 buying power here, though for food and basic commodities, it's $1 = $0.50 buying power here, and for high demand high skill sets, it's $1 = $2 buying power here. This means the fundamental equation above should be changed to: $1 = $2.15, and this means you just need to pay us half of what you must pay people in the US, Canada and the EU to have equal living conditions. If a person living in developed Western countries were paid $3K to $4K/month for a full time entry level ICT job, that means people living in developing countries like the Philippines need to be paid $1.5K to $2K/month to experience the same living condition standards. I think that's just about right.

                As for your next statement: That's your opinion, so no trouble there. Only thing I'm considering is for me to think outside your perspective and think about what the person at the other side of the fence, in your statement, thinks and feels. This person, most likely 8 out of 10 based on my experience, could think and feel that there is no guarantee of a continuous job which could be recognized as something which this person can hold up until retirement from a person hiring homebased subcontractors without a local legal business presence in their country nor an internationally known brand name/business name, thus bringing forth the entitlement mindset at play, especially if no employee benefits/insurance, SSS/gov't housing program/gov't health insurance and office resources with a balanced work-life environment promoting self development competitiveness, constant learning and motivation are offered. My point is: I for one as an owner of an ICT outsourcing firm teach them everything I know for them to build online businesses and earn income on the Internet, even from establishing their own ICT outsourcing firms while working with me until they find their own businesses stable and profitable enough for them to quit their job with my company... I do not have any issue about this, unlike others... Because my objective is to provide free learning resources for things which are not offered as certificate or degree courses locally while also providing gainful opportunities to earn income while they learn, sort of a freely learn while you earn scheme, especially for disabled and underemployed people here... I have earned enough from teaching then working with them, so I believe I am most likely privileged enough to do what I think is my gainful contribution to the world. In fact, in my company, if an employee has constantly provided high levels of overall professionalism, work/business ethics, quality performance and awesome dependability/reliability for 6 to 12 months, I offer what you can call an outsourcing firm package = For the person to establish his own legally registered business office location using capital resources loaned by my company, with 0% interest, incorporating the same business development and hiring/training/workflow planning/monitoring/development/management/accounting/administrative systems and processes, with my company being this person's main client, funneling clients my company gets from our marketing campaigns to this person, and getting a share of monthly net profit percentages enough for this person to pay for the capital resources loaned by my company. I do this sadly because I have yet to prove that starting a business without any capital investment other than time, the person's own skill/knowledge/experience sets and a computer at home with Internet connectivity, which I myself did, to be applicable statistically to the general public, though I'm doing my best to prove my theory and am hopeful to someday prove this as a principle rather than a theory.

                No, I'm sorry, I do not remember you telling me something about my story, though I'm glad you see my startup story that way. Point is: I am contributing what I know, what I have tested, what results I have studied/improved/developed, what strategies I formulated from my inferences/test results/experience/statistically factual info/logically sound concepts yet to be proven by any test spanning global resources for it to be statistically correct globally and what I think and feel could be helpful for the discussion and useful for everyone involved in this discussion. These are just my opinions, and I am not telling anyone to do these things, just sharing, so everyone: Feel free to use these things to your advantage by testing it out and studying what actually works for you and your business.
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          • Profile picture of the author reyzone
            Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

            So then $30 USD per month would equal to about 750.00 USD?
            $30 = $750 USD? Definitely not true. lol

            The exchange rate here is around 43 - 44 Pesos for $1 USD. And that $30 is not even close to pay for our monthly utility bills here.

            Fortunately, I'm not a freelancer and will never work for anyone.

            As for Efryll and others, junk those kind of offers, its not worth it. You guys deserve a better pay.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
              Originally Posted by reyzone View Post

              $30 = $750 USD? Definitely not true. lol

              The exchange rate here is around 43 - 44 Pesos for $1 USD. And that $30 is not even close to pay for our monthly utility bills here.

              Fortunately, I'm not a freelancer and will never work for anyone.

              As for Efryll and others, junk those kind of offers, its not worth it. You guys deserve a better pay.

              That was a question if you noticed the question mark? Because someone in a post above suggested that the exchange rate was 1 usd to 25 usd with the same buying power.

              So, what is the actual exchange rate?

              What does a McDonalds Combo cost?

              How much is a gallon of gas, regular and unleaded?

              How much is a pack of cigarettes or beer? Is that considered a luxury in your country and the price is therefore raised above the normal prices of non-luxury items?

              What is the price of a movie that just comes out to the theatre?

              What does a 1,2, and 3 bedroom apartment run for? Not the highest end or the lowest end just an average apartment that is clean, and located in an area that will not subject you to possibly becoming a victom of crime.

              Having this type of information and knowing the exchange rate can help others gauge what truly is a fair price to pay someone from your country.
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              • Profile picture of the author rikkib51
                Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                That was a question if you noticed the question mark? Because someone in a post above suggested that the exchange rate was 1 usd to 25 usd with the same buying power.

                So, what is the actual exchange rate?

                What does a McDonalds Combo cost?

                How much is a gallon of gas, regular and unleaded?

                How much is a pack of cigarettes or beer? Is that considered a luxury in your country and the price is therefore raised above the normal prices of non-luxury items?

                What is the price of a movie that just comes out to the theatre?

                What does a 1,2, and 3 bedroom apartment run for? Not the highest end or the lowest end just an average apartment that is clean, and located in an area that will not subject you to possibly becoming a victom of crime.

                Having this type of information and knowing the exchange rate can help others gauge what truly is a fair price to pay someone from your country.
                Hey,

                First of all, let me tell you that the currency in Phillipines is not Dollars it is Peso's and the current exchange rate is US$1 = 44 Peso's. People in the Phillipines don't get paid very much at all, just enough to run the family, even for the higher paying jobs. Only about $100-$300 per week usually (for high paying jobs), not even that sometimes. You'll be lucky to even get a job when your over 35 years of age over there.

                I am a Filipino myself and went back for a holiday there last year and here's the rough estimates of prices when I went there...

                A 1.2L car can cost up to 500 Peso's to fill which is about US$12. (not very many people have private car's, they use cheaper public transport or use the car they bought as taxi's or other types of public transport)

                Mcers combo can cost between 40-60 Peso's about USD$2

                Beer is not really considered luxury in the country, but a bottle of Red Horse beer can between 15-20 Peso's about 50 cents US.

                A good apartment I would say about 30,000 peso's, that's about US$700.

                A lot of people have families to run though. They don't go to Mcdonalds and get take away's once a week. If fact they probably go once every 6 months.

                Instead they grab rice and meet from the local market. An average family in Phillipines has 3-5 kids. My uncle has 3 and get's paid 1500 Peso's per week which is about US$35.

                But 1500 Peso's, 5 People to Feed, Electricity Bills, Water Bills on top of that, education for the Kids... He basically ends up in the RED in the end of the day.

                I guarantee you that most of the families over there have relatives overseas that send money to them now and then to help.

                So it's cheap from our perspective but for them it's nowhere near that. $50 per job you give them to do is not luxury, but it's enough to scrape through life. We are very hard workers.




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                  Instead they grab rice and meet from the local market. An average family in Phillipines has 3-5 kids. My uncle has 3 and get's paid 1500 Peso's per week which is about US$35.
                  Of course to me that sounds super low.

                  Is there a middle class in that country?

                  In that country is 1500 Peso's a week a normal wage? What does your uncle do for a living?

                  What is the average wage per week of lets say an entry level graphic designer in the Phillipines in Pesos?

                  Here are some statistics I have found, how accurate they are I do not know, but they are listed online and are public for all to see.

                  Graphic Designer 1-2 years experience 183,126.00 Philippine Pesos = 4,191.97 U.S. Dollars.

                  Which means payed just over $400.00 USD per month

                  Graphic Artist / Designer 4-9 years experience 209,975.00 Philippine Pesos = 4,806.57 U.S. Dollars.

                  Which means payed just over $400.00 USD per month

                  High School Teacher 130,227.00 Philippine Pesos = 2,980.36 U.S. Dollars.
                  Elementary School Teacher 157,344.00 Philippine Pesos = 3,600.96 U.S. Dollars.
                  Preschool Teacher, (but not Special Education) 240,000.00 Philippine Pesos = 5,492.62 U.S. Dollars.
                  Certified Public Accountant (CPA) PHP 180,000.00 Philippine Pesos = 4,119.46 U.S. Dollars.

                  If these statistics are anywhere close to the truth? Then a graphic designer is doing good and average if they bring in 20 to 30 USD perday and anything over that is probably considered great?

                  Now, this is just based on statistics online, which I cannot confirm but is an eye opener for sure, and will help to gauge if you are paying the right amount for a service.
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                  • Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Of course to me that sounds super low. Is there a middle class in that country?[/SNIP]
                    A: Yes, there is a middle class here. Php45000 or $1K/month income for a family with 3 children aged 5-10 years living in a fully paid house with 1 car = lower middle class. Php90000 or $2K/month net income for the same family = still lower middle class. Php450000 or $10K/month net income for the same family = middle class. Php900K or $20K/month for the same family = upper middle class. Php1.8 million or $40K/month = class A.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]In that country is 1500 Peso's a week a normal wage? What does your uncle do for a living?[/SNIP]
                    A: Php1500 or around $40/week, translating to $160/month, is manual labor-intensive minimum wage (around $1/hour). Labor-intensive jobs include carpentry, auto mechanical work, field construction work, culinary work, clerical jobs, etc.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]What is the average wage per week of lets say an entry level graphic designer in the Phillipines in Pesos?[/SNIP]
                    A: An entry level graphics designer with an undergraduate visual communications degree from one of the top 3universities here in the Philippines, with "excellent", "above average" skills, knowledge, scholastic achievements and professional passion, expects Php20K/month or around $500/month (160 work hours/month). An "average" person with an undergraduate visual communications degree at one of the top 20 universities here offering undergraduate bachelor courses under fine arts expect Php12000/month or around $300/month (160 hours). A "below average" person with an undergraduate visual communications degree from one of the top 50 universities here offering undergraduate bachelor courses under fine arts expects Php10K/month or around $250/month (160 work hours/month). Self taught individuals with "below average" to "average" skills expect around Php9K/month or around $200/month (160 hours).

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Here are some statistics I have found, how accurate they are I do not know, but they are listed online and are public for all to see.
                    Graphic Designer 1-2 years experience 183,126.00 Philippine Pesos = 4,191.97 U.S. Dollars.[/SNIP]
                    A: Php15K/month, 160 hours, or around $350/month sounds just about right for someone with a relevant undergraduate degree from one of the top 10 or 20 universities here, entry level, with "average" skills.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Graphic Artist / Designer 4-9 years experience 209,975.00 Philippine Pesos = 4,806.57 U.S. Dollars.
                    Which means payed just over $400.00 USD per month[/SNIP]
                    A: Php17K/month or around $400/month is just about right for a person with 4-9 years relevant experience and a relevant undergraduate degree from one of the top 10 or 20 universities here, with "slightly above average" skills.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Human Resources Manager 618,767.00 Philippine Pesos = 14,164.29 U.S. Dollars.[/SNIP]
                    A: That's around Php50K/month or $1200/month. Entry level? Waay waay off the mark. It's around Php12000/month for someone with a relevant undergraduate psychology degree from one of the top 20 universities here. The top 10 local and international companies here pay someone with a relevant undergraduate degree from one of the top 5 universities here as well as 5 to 10 years worth of relevant work experience from one of the top 50 local and international companies here, with "above average" skills, Php30K/month or around 800/month.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]High School Teacher 130,227.00 Philippine Pesos = 2,980.36 U.S. Dollars.[/SNIP]
                    A: Php11K/month or around $250/month is just about right, for an entry level person with a relevant undergraduate degree from one of the top 20 universities here and a licensure board passer, entry level.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Elementary School Teacher 157,344.00 Philippine Pesos = 3,600.96 U.S. Dollars.[/SNIP]
                    A: Php13000/month or $300/month sounds just about right, entry level, undergraduate degree holder from one of the top 20 universities here and a licensure board passer, with "average" skills and achievements.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Preschool Teacher, (but not Special Education) 240,000.00 Philippine Pesos = 5,492.62 U.S. Dollars.[/SNIP]
                    A: Entry level? Inaccurate. More like Php15K/month or around $350/month, entry level, average skills and achievements, relevant undergraduate degree holder from one of the top 20 universities here.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Certified Public Accountant (CPA) PHP 180,000.00 Philippine Pesos = 4,119.46 U.S. Dollars.[/SNIP]
                    A: Php15K/month or around $350/month, entry level, post graduate degree holder from one of the top 20 universities here, board passer and "average" skills and achievement souns just about right.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]If these are statistics are anywhere close to the truth? Then a graphic designer is doing good and average if they bring in 20 to 30 USD perday and anything over that is probably considered great?[/SNIP]
                    A: $20-30/day, 20 work days/month = $400 to $600/month or around Php16K to Php24K/month. For someone with a relevant undergraduate visual communications degree and a relevant 5 to 10-year work experience, "average" skills and achievements considered, then that sounds just about right. Though if this person had "excellent" skills and achievements, in and out of the university, and a post graduate visual communications degree holder from the top university here, which is the University of the Philippines as well as with a 10-year relevant work experience in one of the top 3 local or international companies here, this person would most likely expect Php75K/month or $1.5K/month starting wages, 160 hours/month. This person would possibly be more motivated to work with personal career achievements and personal career growth in mind, such as bagging relevant international advertising concept and design awards as well as getting job posts and project offers from any of the top 5 or 10 international Western corporations outside the country, so this person would most likely target working at one of the top 3 local and international companies here and abroad, if given the chance.
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                      Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

                      A: Yes, there is a middle class here. Php45000 or $1K/month income for a family with 3 children aged 5-10 years living in a fully paid house with 1 car = lower middle class. Php90000 or $2K/month net income for the same family = still lower middle class. Php450000 or $10K/month net income for the same family = middle class. Php900K or $20K/month for the same family = upper middle class. Php1.8 million or $40K/month = class A.


                      A: Php1500 or around $40/week, translating to $160/month, is manual labor-intensive minimum wage (around $1/hour). Labor-intensive jobs include carpentry, auto mechanical work, field construction work, culinary work, clerical jobs, etc.


                      A: An entry level graphics designer with an undergraduate visual communications degree from one of the top 3universities here in the Philippines, with "excellent", "above average" skills, knowledge, scholastic achievements and professional passion, expects Php20K/month or around $500/month (160 work hours/month). An "average" person with an undergraduate visual communications degree at one of the top 20 universities here offering undergraduate bachelor courses under fine arts expect Php12000/month or around $300/month (160 hours). A "below average" person with an undergraduate visual communications degree from one of the top 50 universities here offering undergraduate bachelor courses under fine arts expects Php10K/month or around $250/month (160 work hours/month). Self taught individuals with "below average" to "average" skills expect around Php9K/month or around $200/month (160 hours).


                      A: Php15K/month, 160 hours, or around $350/month sounds just about right for someone with a relevant undergraduate degree from one of the top 10 or 20 universities here, entry level, with "average" skills.


                      A: Php17K/month or around $400/month is just about right for a person with 4-9 years relevant experience and a relevant undergraduate degree from one of the top 10 or 20 universities here, with "slightly above average" skills.


                      A: That's around Php50K/month or $1200/month. Entry level? Waay waay off the mark. It's around Php12000/month for someone with a relevant undergraduate psychology degree from one of the top 20 universities here. The top 10 local and international companies here pay someone with a relevant undergraduate degree from one of the top 5 universities here as well as 5 to 10 years worth of relevant work experience from one of the top 50 local and international companies here, with "above average" skills, Php30K/month or around 800/month.


                      A: Php11K/month or around $250/month is just about right, for an entry level person with a relevant undergraduate degree from one of the top 20 universities here and a licensure board passer, entry level.


                      A: Php13000/month or $300/month sounds just about right, entry level, undergraduate degree holder from one of the top 20 universities here and a licensure board passer, with "average" skills and achievements.


                      A: Entry level? Inaccurate. More like Php15K/month or around $350/month, entry level, average skills and achievements, relevant undergraduate degree holder from one of the top 20 universities here.


                      A: Php15K/month or around $350/month, entry level, post graduate degree holder from one of the top 20 universities here, board passer and "average" skills and achievement souns just about right.


                      A: $20-30/day, 20 work days/month = $400 to $600/month or around Php16K to Php24K/month. For someone with a relevant undergraduate visual communications degree and a relevant 5 to 10-year work experience, "average" skills and achievements considered, then that sounds just about right. Though if this person had "excellent" skills and achievements, in and out of the university, and a post graduate visual communications degree holder from the top university here, which is the University of the Philippines as well as with a 10-year relevant work experience in one of the top 3 local or international companies here, this person would most likely expect Php75K/month or $1.5K/month starting wages, 160 hours/month. This person would possibly be more motivated to work with personal career achievements and personal career growth in mind, such as bagging relevant international advertising concept and design awards as well as getting job posts and project offers from any of the top 5 or 10 international Western corporations outside the country, so this person would most likely target working at one of the top 3 local and international companies here and abroad, if given the chance.
                      Thanks for the input and statistics....
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              • Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                [SNIP]So, what is the actual exchange rate?[/SNIP]
                A: $1 = Php42 to Php43. Buying power exchange rate, as I've outlined in my previous post is $1 = $2.15.

                Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                [SNIP]What does a McDonalds Combo cost?[/SNIP]
                A: Hmmm... McD combo, say a regular cheeseburger (and I mean "regular", not Western size), large fries and large Coke = $2.75 to $3 (due to fluctuating exchange rates, we need a range for this to be accurate).

                Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                [SNIP]How much is a gallon of gas, regular and unleaded?[/SNIP]
                A: 1 gallon = 3.79 litres. 1 litre of regular gasoline here = $0.70. Unleaded = $0.75. Premium unleaded = $0.80. Diesel = $0.65. A trained and experienced (min 5 years) auto mechanic's hourly rate here = $1.75. I think that's the main difference, not commodity prices, but rather skilled labor rates.

                Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                [SNIP]How much is a pack of cigarettes or beer? Is that considered a luxury in your country and the price is therefore raised above the normal prices of non-luxury items?[/SNIP]
                A: Beer and cigarettes luxury items? No, it ain't, unlike in Singapore. A pack of local Marlboro reds = $1. A 500ml strong beer = $0.50 from local neighborhood stores and $1 bar prices. Bar prices for a pack of Marlboro reds = $2.

                Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                [SNIP]What is the price of a movie that just comes out to the theatre?[/SNIP]
                A: Depends on where you go. Class A moviehouses = $8. Class B = $6. Class C = $4. Class D = $2. Karl Marx's society class segmenting is at play here.

                Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                [SNIP]What does a 1,2, and 3 bedroom apartment run for? Not the highest end or the lowest end just an average apartment that is clean, and located in an area that will not subject you to possibly becoming a victom of crime.[/SNIP]
                A: In my experience, a location that's safe, clean and near offices like banks, malls, grocers, convenience stores, the church, the local market, etc. = $200/month for a 1br apt, $300 = 2br 2-storey apt, $400 = 3br 2-storey apt and $500 = 3br 2-storey apt with a 2-car garage.

                Gov't-declared minimum manual labor-intensive wages are a different scenario altogether. It is $1 per hour, which ain't right in my opinion.

                Gov't-declared professional white collar wages = $1.50/hour minimum, which isn't right, I think, based on my experience and studies.

                As a market fundamentalist myself, the entitlement mindset is fine, possibly only if a greater percentage of the society consists of market fundamentalists, most likely especially in a global capital economy. What's my point? More competition offering the same or higher quality products/services = Lower prices for every consumer to benefit from. This doesn't ean however that people in business will be driven out of business. Rather, it'll lower their net profits though increase their business influx and push them to expand their business to other profitable areas as well as promote the conceptualization of new business and marketing ideas, therefore leading to more gainful employment and business opportunities as well as the improvement of products/services for a wider major consumer market segment. In the EU, businesses and employees pay taxes higher than most Asian, Northern American, Southern American and Middle Eastern countries. Why? They aim to provide access to the same quality services and commodities for less privileged people, people who cannot support nor help themselves. This in my opinion isn't right in some points. Why? Why not charge lower taxes then use a part of those taxes to support competition in order to subsequently lower down prices of services and commodities, therefore cutting business net profits, generating more employment and business opportunities as well as lowering prices of quality services/commodities for more underprivileged people, people who cannot support nor help themselves on their own, to be provided access to higher quality, lower priced services and commodities, therefore everyone involved benefits from lower taxes, lower priced higher quality services/commodities and more underprivileged people able to freely access those higher quality, lower priced services/commodities? For instance, say a public preschool teacher has cancer, and the gov't helps this person with necessary chemotherapy sessions using taxes. Say the gov't then has a monthly budget, from taxes, for 50 underprivileged people to freely get necessary chemotherapy sessions each month. Then, say the gov't wants to increase the number of people it can help per month. So the "best" solution would be for the gov't to increase taxes? I do not agree. The gov't should support more people to compete in the chemotherapy services industry. Say only 10 providers are at the moment competing in this industry. The gov't supports 10 new service provider competitors and also 10 new equipment manufacturers and maintenance competitors. Those 20 competitors lower down prices for the same quality services and equipment by 50% to get more business influx. The previous 10 competitors and equipment manufacturers do the same thing to stay in business. Prices are lowered down by 50%. So, 100 underprivileged people can then be supported by the gov't to gain free access to such quality chemotherapy services and equipment. Say the gov't repeats this process and lowers prices down again by 50%. This would mean more benefits for 125 underprivileged people, 30 service providers, 30 equipment manufacturers and more taxes for the gov't to use to support more service competitors, equipment manufacturers and underprivileged people. My purpose in discussing this is for previous people who posted in similar threads like this one the negative points of outsourcing to also learn about ways to make outsourcing more beneficial for everyone involved. How? Instead of hiring people living in your own country, why not teach them to build their own businesses, use outsourcing for optimal business and professional benefits for everyone involved then make better use of more time to do more beneficial things for them and their families?
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                  Instead of hiring people living in your own country, why not teach them to build their own businesses, use outsourcing for optimal business and professional benefits for everyone involved then make better use of more time to do more beneficial things for them and their families?
                  Because jobs need to stay as much as possible in our own economy. If we outsourced everything, then what would our own people do for a living?

                  We would then become independant on another countries labor force which is definately not sound judgement.

                  Or become increasingly dependant on our own goverment handouts, which is not wise either, although that's the way our country happens to be heading unfortunately unless people wake-up.

                  On paper it is good to oursource but in the long run the effects on our economy can be drastic.

                  What about all the graphic designers in this country who pay upwards to 40 - 90 thousands USD to go to a 4 year college? Then they graduate only to realize that all the work is outsourced to another country and they cannot be paid what they are worth because their value has decreased because someone is willing to do the work for 1/10 of what it would cost here in the states?

                  See, what I mean? There is no where for this type of situation to go for americans but downhill, thats what others do not see, and for the most part americans are blind to it.

                  Max, there are two sides to every story and then there is the truth and what is right, no one is usually 100 percent right and nothing is usually 100 percent fair.

                  Whats best for you may not be whats best for an american and whats best for americans may not be whats best for Phillipinos or any other countries citizens.

                  The internet is such a great tool and opens up great oppurtunities but can also have bad drastic effects on different economies. Because what is normal for another economy and for our economy is totally different when it comes to wages.

                  My whole point to any of this is that if and when I do outsource I do not want to under pay nor over pay, but do not mind at all (being generous) and paying above your average expected wage and cost of living, as long as I get high quality reliable services and products.
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                  • Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Because jobs need to stay as much as possible in our own economy. If we outsourced everything, then what would our own people do for a living?[/SNIP]
                    A: In the global business industry operating in a global capital economy, of which these are instances that are statistically and factually correct last time I checked, my inference is: Outsourcing is like gravity. Ummm... My advice is for "your own people" to start their own businesses and compete in profitable industries, to maximize the benefits of outsourcing, to drive down prices, to improve the quality of similar products/services, to formulate new concepts and ideas for new beneficial products/services and to build more gainful business and employment opportunities for everyone in the global society. This is one of my opinions and should not be misinterpreted as a universally moral, ethical and beneficial way to do anything relevant to this. I am not saying all "your people" could be expected to do this. Rather, I am sharing my opinion but will not act to implement such a theory because I already have enough problems on my own to resolve, personally and professionally.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]We would then become independant on another countries labor force which is definately not sound judgement.[/SNIP]
                    A: Hmmm... Let's see... Being "dependent" on the labor force of another country over building more businesses, improving the quality of similar products/services, driving down the prices of products/services so more people can gain access to it globally, formulating new concepts and ideas for new products/services with new benefits, training more people globally in areas which can improve their lives and professional as well as business careers and building more gainful business and employment opportunities? I for one would pick the latter over the former, primarily because being "dependent" in the negative sense is a lot different than the benefits I outlined here. Again, this is another one of my opinions.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Or become increasingly dependant on our own goverment handouts, which is not wise either, although that's the way our country happens to be heading unfortunately unless people wake-up.[/SNIP]
                    A: I for one believe (this is again another one of my opinions) not only on gov't handouts but also on company retirement benefit promises. And, my opinion for "waking them up" means them not being dependent on gov't handouts and company retirement benefit promises. What then is my inference for them to depend on? Themselves. How in my opinion could they most likely be able to depend on their own, making their ideas for a gainful and beneficial financial and professional life a reality? Become a creditor and build brick and mortar or online B2B and B2C businesses in profitable industries. Then, become a supplier of products/services. Then, become a middle man. Then, become an advertiser. Then, become an advertisement publisher. Then, become a real estate owner renting out or leasing real estate. At this point, become an oil, gold, real estate and stock investor. Afterwards, invest back in the economy's most profitable areas. Any capital economy benefits from more creditors, more business opportunities, more employment opportunities, lower priced higher quality products/services, new beneficial ideas and concepts for new products/services, more investors and more taxes. This is again one of my opinions.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]On paper it is good to oursource but in the long run the effects on our economy can be drastic.[/SNIP]
                    A: You're most likely correct. Though in my opinion: It "can" or "cannot" be negative but rather positive and even vice versa, because I believe results most likely depend more on the ways strategies, techniques, systems and processes are formulated, tested, improved, implemented and monitored for further development. This is again one of my opinions.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]What about all the graphic designers in this country who pay upwards to 40 - 90 thousands USD to go to a 4 year college? Then they graduate only to realize that all the work is outsourced to another country and they cannot be paid what they are worth because their value has decreased because someone is willing to do the work for 1/10 of what it would cost here in the states?[/SNIP]
                    A: I tackled such a similar discussion in another thread. As a market fundamentalist, my opinion about this is: There is a buyer and supplier market for lower priced-lower quality products/services. There is a buyer and supplier market for average priced-average quality products/services. There is a buyer and supplier market for mid priced-mid quality products/services. There is a buyer and supplier market for high priced-high quality products/services. There is a buyer and supplier market for ridiculously high priced-limited, avant garde quality products/services. Up to anyone to find the right market for them. If they can't find it, my opinion is for them to build that market. In my relevant experience, there was no employment nor business opportunities for the blind here back then, aside from being street musicians and masseurs, not that these jobs aren't beneficial both financially and professionally, but rather what if a blind person here cannot become a street musician nor a masseur? I then noticed blind people who cannot take any of the jobs I mentioned lobbied for the government to impose policies which will push companies here to employ blind people rather than train themselves to be competent at the jobs being offered by companies here. I then noticed companies here did not have resources which the blind needs to properly do their tasks, particularly the right software. What did I do? I built the employment and business opportunity on my own for blind and other disabled people here, rather than wait for the government to impose such a policy, which could or could not happen, and for those companies to start opening their employment opportunities to blind and other disabled people here. Hmmm... A graphics designer with an undergraduate or post graduate degree from a local university there could build B2B partnerships with established companies there and hire their graphics designer friends. Their graphics designer friends could in turn outsource their work to people with the same skills in developing countries, so those graphics designer friends can take more jobs and earn more time and money to do more things which can be profitable for them, financially and personally. Again, these are my opinions.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]See, what I mean? There is no where for this type of situation to go for americans but downhill, thats what others do not see, and for the most part americans are blind to it.[/SNIP]
                    A: I may not be American, but totally blind I am. Considering the things I mentioned above, I for one, as another one of my opinions, cannot "see" your point of this trend solely being a downhill economic catastrophe for Americans. Rather, results depend on variables I mentioned above and its utility. These are again my opinions.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Max, there are two sides to every story and then there is the truth and what is right, no one is usually 100 percent right and nothing is usually 100 percent fair.[/SNIP]
                    A: First, it's Marx, not Max, as clearly seen in my posts - Even my screen reader "sees" it. Second, I already know this, so my opinion is for you to assume this to most often than not be the case with other people... More polite to do so, in my opinion. My purpose is to share my relevant experience, test results, inferences and opinions, not impose such things for others to do. It is up to them to decide what is wrong and what is right for them, in my opinion, and getting more beneficial information about different sides of a topic is my main purpose of contributing my experience, test results, inferences and opinions, in my opinion.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]Whats best for you may not be whats best for an american and whats best for americans may not be whats best for Phillipinos or any other countries citizens.[/SNIP]
                    A: Again, another statement which must be stricken down to be more polite in such a discussion, in my opinion. Assuming more positive things about any person you discuss anything with is more polite than otherwise, in my opinion. Again, these are my opinions, which must not be misconstrued/misinterpreted by anyone to be something which I say is the most universally and statistically correct situation in any time frame and in any part of the universe. These are my own experience, test formulation inferences, test result comparative analysis inferences and improvement/development implementation inferences. My main purpose, in my opinion, is to contribute more relevant information about different sides of the topic and relevant sub topics.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]The internet is such a great tool and opens up great oppurtunities but can also have bad drastic effects on different economies. Because what is normal for another economy and for our economy is totally different when it comes to wages.[/SNIP]
                    A: Yes, though in my opinion more dependent on the utilization of the Internet and the purposes of the user along with this person's ideas about benefits, inferences and concepts as well as how target people and things of the user will react to what the user implements. What is "normal" for a global economy, in your opinion? I don't think there's anything "normal" in a perpetually changing economy with more than a few billion global economy players and variables, in my opinion. I think Karl Marx's uneven development principle is at play here or in any part of the world, in my opinion.

                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    [SNIP]My whole point to any of this is that if and when I do outsource I do not want to under pay nor over pay, but do not mind at all (being generous) and paying above your average expected wage and cost of living, as long as I get high quality reliable services and products.[/SNIP]
                    A: People anywhere in the world who rely on work outsourced to them by businesses, corporations and individual marketers are lucky to have you and are most likely hoping a large percentage of those people would have more business and professional sense some time soon. This is again one of my opinions.
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    Originally Posted by Efryll View Post


    Hi a Filipino here,

    I'm not here to advertise myself. It's just that, Too many people just want to hire us for a low salary and get all the work they can out of us. I'm NOT saying they're ALL like this.

    Show Respect! Sometimes, they treat us like a SLAVE or a ROBOT who can throw any words they want. Yes we ALL need a job.. But please treat us like a business partner, a friend, or just a normal person who has emotion and feelings. I believe if you treat us better, you'll get something better in return. We would love to have a job, and we want to be hired by a business man who respect us..

    I hope you guys understand what I want to say.......
    I must tell you that i have been like "touched' by your post.
    You are absolutely right. RESPECT is the first thing...RESPECT and admiration for your skills that you are "using" to help me!
    My personal advice:don't doing business with those who treat you badly and does not respect you.
    I understood perfectly what you meant.
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  • Profile picture of the author kai4u
    Originally Posted by Efryll View Post

    Hi a Filipino here,

    I'm not here to advertise myself. It's just that, Too many people just want to hire us for a low salary and get all the work they can out of us. I'm NOT saying they're ALL like this.

    Show Respect! Sometimes, they treat us like a SLAVE or a ROBOT who can throw any words they want. Yes we ALL need a job.. But please treat us like a business partner, a friend, or just a normal person who has emotion and feelings. I believe if you treat us better, you'll get something better in return. We would love to have a job, and we want to be hired by a business man who respect us..

    I hope you guys understand what I want to say.......
    I understand what you want to say. Here are few tips I applied when I use to develop website for clients worldwide.

    1. Try to get client on phone.
    You have to analyze their tone with you.

    2. Read reviews from previous service provider about them if you are using websites like elance, getafreelancer etc
    - This is best way to understand how buyer is.

    3. Ask them for detailed questions to help you complete project on time.
    - If they are polite then its good if not prefer not to work because if they can't provide complete details they won't give you enough time to get work done and leads to same condition you are in now.

    4. Never do any religious or controversial conversation.

    5. Never criticize their previous provider.

    6. Try to give them 5 days extended delivery date.

    7. Tell them about your country holidays and time zone. - IF you both come up with a mutual timing then its great but if they do not allow you to work as per your comfort zone and do not give you fair price its better not to do that project.

    IMPORTANT: Don't sell your self cheap, bring an attitude to your work.

    PS: Attitude: Self Respect and type of work you wanna do.

    These rules helped a lot to figure out right clients and most of them are still working with me.

    If other members have more suggestions please share...

    Kai
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  • Profile picture of the author arcadiasmith
    Yeah your are right. Some Filipinos work very hard and yet they do not receive the right amount.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
      It should go without saying that if respect is expected then it should also be given.

      Just because someone lives in a poorer country that is no excuse to treat people with any less respect than you would from a richer country.

      It maybe there are communication problems dealing with different cultures but that is no excuse not to treat people respectfully.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dresden14
    If this is the case, then tell your people to stop working for such low wages. Remember, what a white man will do for a 1.00, a black would do for .65, a mexican would do for .50 and thats just in america. We then try to "outsource" usually to india, your location or many other places...

    This explains why everything's made in america, or offshore. Anyone in america right now? Take off an article of clothing, where was it made? So in summation, if those offshore people want respect and higher wages stop accepting our offers and disrespect.
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  • Profile picture of the author imservices01
    I've had both good and bad experiences. Like anywhere, there are unreliable Philippine workers who won't do what you ask and make promises that are never filled. On the other hand there are some great people who write better than many native English speakers.

    Average pay for a good writer is about $5 an hour, the cheaper ones tend to be less reliable/good.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by imservices01 View Post

      I've had both good and bad experiences. Like anywhere, there are unreliable Philippine workers who won't do what you ask and make promises that are never filled. On the other hand there are some great people who write better than many native English speakers.

      Average pay for a good writer is about $5 an hour, the cheaper ones tend to be less reliable/good.
      Do you realize that a:

      Sr. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer makes on average 418.71 Philippine Pesos per hour = $9.58 U.S. Dollars per hour?
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    Yes Filipinos are know for that. They are really hardworking people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
    wow, what timing. I literally just hired someone from the Philippines just
    then...

    her english and communication on skpe were great, I found her on odesk
    and after an hour of interviewing she's now on my team.

    I did negotiate the rate down slightly, with the agreement that she would
    prove her results in the first month then I would give a raise (above the
    original asking rate).

    Totally agree with Efryll on this one, treat your team members
    (outsourcing contractors) like partners and invite them to contribute AND
    share in the projects' success

    I have a team of over 14 odeskers now and they've all been there when I need
    them because I pay well, I give plenty of notice for work, provide a clear
    brief of instructions then allow reasonable time (not crazy deadlines) for
    them to complete.

    Always, at the end of any of my jobs, there comes a bonus for my team.
    Just a few hours extra pay on top, but it goes a long way

    thats just my 2 cents after 13 years in the game
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    • Profile picture of the author Efryll
      Wow. That was a long read! lol

      However to make things short. You'll pay more if you will hire an experience employee and you'll pay less if you still need to work out on their skills. Actually, it doesn't matter where you came from or how you finished a degree. As long as you have the skill, you deserve a good salary. It's about fairness.

      I suggest if you hire someone, try them for about 2 weeks with let's say $150-$250 win or lose, they'll have it. and if you see that they have a potential and carry that skill, hire and pay them based on their skills. I'm sure they'll work HARD, EVERYDAY! You can't judge someone who don't know certain things. Fast learners are everywhere.
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  • filipino workers are loyal is bull...don't believe the hype

    my friend is filipino and she hired outsourcers from the Philippines and it was not very good experience....they want to learn your business and then just leave without notice or any type of feedback

    I think if anything that filipinos need to speak their mind and be open with their employers so their is open communication and understanding between the two parties.

    people are people wherever you go in this world...don't believe filipinos are loyal people
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by AllThingsArePossible View Post

      filipino workers are loyal is bull...don't believe the hype

      my friend is filipino and she hired outsourcers from the Philippines and it was not very good experience....they want to learn your business and then just leave without notice or any type of feedback

      I think if anything that filipinos need to speak their mind and be open with their employers so their is open communication and understanding between the two parties.

      people are people wherever you go in this world...don't believe filipinos are loyal people
      Did your friend hire someone who had high feedback at least 90+

      I don't think anyone here is saying all flipino's are loyal, there's good and bad.
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      • Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

        I don't think anyone here is saying all flipino's are loyal, there's good and bad.

        post#5 said they are loyal...so, yes someone said filipino's are loyal

        it all comes down to a persons character and moral values regardless of country

        you got to weed out the thorns when finding a good outsourcer you can rely and trust
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    • Originally Posted by AllThingsArePossible View Post

      [SNIP]filipino workers are loyal is bull...don't believe the hype[/SNIP]
      In your opinion and according to your relevant experience perhaps.

      Originally Posted by AllThingsArePossible View Post

      [SNIP]my friend is filipino and she hired outsourcers from the Philippines and it was not very good experience....they want to learn your business and then just leave without notice or any type of feedback[/SNIP]
      According to your friend's opinion and relevant experience.

      Originally Posted by AllThingsArePossible View Post

      [SNIP]I think if anything that filipinos need to speak their mind and be open with their employers so their is open communication and understanding between the two parties.[/SNIP]
      This is advice as I see it, in my opinion, most likely based on your own inferences, test results and relevant experience.

      Originally Posted by AllThingsArePossible View Post

      [SNIP]people are people wherever you go in this world...[/SNIP]
      This is a statement most likely based on your own relevant opinions, inferences, test results and experience, in my opinion.

      Originally Posted by AllThingsArePossible View Post

      [SNIP]don't believe filipinos are loyal people[/SNIP]
      This is perhaps an advice, written as an imperative statement to solicit more action from readers, based on your own relevant opinions, inferences, test results and experience.

      This is my advice: Do not make hasty generalizations, even if it is based on facts which would not be statistically accurate and generally applicable due to a few relevant pieces of experience, test result volume and test time frame inadequacy that would not prove those "facts" to be statistically applicable in a large percentage of relevant situations. More so, do not make a hasty generalization look more of a fact than the opinion that it is. Rather, state that it is an opinion based on relevant observations, inferences, test results and experience. My purpose in posting this is for others to clearly see the difference between an opinion and an opinion written like it were a statistically applicable fact in a large percentage of relevant situations.
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      • Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

        In your opinion and according to your relevant experience perhaps.


        According to your friend's opinion and relevant experience.


        This is advice as I see it, in my opinion, most likely based on your own inferences, test results and relevant experience.


        This is a statement most likely based on your own relevant opinions, inferences, test results and experience, in my opinion.


        This is perhaps an advice, written as an imperative statement to solicit more action from readers, based on your own relevant opinions, inferences, test results and experience.

        This is my advice: Do not make hasty generalizations, even if it is based on facts which would not be statistically accurate and generally applicable due to a few relevant pieces of experience, test result volume and test time frame inadequacy that would not prove those "facts" to be statistically applicable in a large percentage of relevant situations. More so, do not make a hasty generalization look more of a fact than the opinion that it is. Rather, state that it is an opinion based on relevant observations, inferences, test results and experience. My purpose in posting this is for others to clearly see the difference between an opinion and an opinion written like it were a statistically applicable fact in a large percentage of relevant situations.

        ahhhhh....mmmmm.....not making hasty gene's here bud

        it's just a fact of life that one will learn in the outsourcing business you have to weed out the bad in the business regardless of country

        this is not only my experience but other's here in the forum too
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        • Originally Posted by AllThingsArePossible View Post

          ahhhhh....mmmmm.....not making hasty gene's here bud... it's just a fact of life that one will learn in the outsourcing business you have to weed out the bad in the business regardless of country... this is not only my experience but other's here in the forum too
          Now you're talking... Thanks for clearing things up by letting others know that what you claimed are your own opinions as well as the opinions you've gathered from other warriors, based from their own relevant observations, inferences, test results and experience... And may or may not be statistically accurate as a facct generally applicable in a large percentage of relevant situations... Though the "hasty generalizations" bit was my opinion and will still remain to be my own opinion... Primarily because there are, as of July 2010, 99900177 Filipino citizens living in the Philippines... And, more than 60% are aged 15-65 years... Plus, 92% are literate in verbal and written English... And, 92.50% are employed... Then, that means around 54 million Filipino citizens are literate in written and verbal English as well as currently employed... And, 30% are employed in the ICT outsourcing industry while 10% are freelancers and subcontractors in the ICT outsourcing industry... So, that's more than 20 million Filipinos... For someone to say something like "Filipinos are loyal is bull..." and make it look like it is a statistically accurate statement instead of the opinion that it is should have observed, tested and experienced working with more than 10 million Filipino citizens in the ICT outsourcing industry. Now this makes more sense to me, in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author iw433
    "Yes Filipinos are known for....................."
    There are good ones, bad ones, pretty ones, ugly ones, on and on. Just like any other group. RESPECT!! That's what Aretha Franklin said. Even enemies can get along with each other when there is respect between them. Don't low ball your employee, share the wealth. Yes you outsource to save money, but you don't have to be a slave driver.
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    • Profile picture of the author Efryll
      Originally Posted by iw433 View Post

      "Yes Filipinos are known for....................."
      There are good ones, bad ones, pretty ones, ugly ones, on and on. Just like any other group. RESPECT!! That's what Aretha Franklin said. Even enemies can get along with each other when there is respect between them. Don't low ball your employee, share the wealth. Yes you outsource to save money, but you don't have to be a slave driver.
      I Agree.

      We all have individual differences, btw!
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  • Profile picture of the author Xtrallll55
    ignore them some people are just looking down on other people well there are alots more better job out there cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    Efryll - you are SO right my man.

    I wrote a blog post about it here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daveyz
    I have several Phillipino employees that have been with me for some time already and i must tell you they are one of the most hardworking bunch of people i ever knew!
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  • Profile picture of the author Luis Vaugier
    Always respect every person around you, it doesn't matter if they have higer,equal or lower status, at the end we are all the same
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  • Profile picture of the author MontrealSEO
    don't settle for a job! just like any other job, you have the option to choose whether you're happy or not

    worst case scenario, take matters into your own hands and create your own business, even if it isn't as popular to do so in your country
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  • Profile picture of the author alucard3120
    I completely understand how you feel. We as a locally hired employee in Philippine Embassy are treated as slaves..
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