Help. I'm in a huge dilemma.

by Hoodyy
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Ok, so here I am with a week to go before the Christmas break from university starts.

With a bucket load of coursework that I'm behind on (due to largely spending my time on internet marketing), I'm incredibly stressed out. I've just come to realise that I'm not interested in spending hours writing Excel Spreadsheets to design the exact diameters of a power screw in a car jack should have. I'm not passionate about Mechanical Engineering and I'm wondering if I ever was. This is currently my second year of study, last year I achieved a First. However, this year it seems I am doomed to failure. I am definitely capable, but completely uninterested.

I'd like to drop out of University, I think, and pursue Internet Marketing to try and create something close to a full-time income. However, is this just the stress talking? I also don't think I'm mentally strong enough to drop out of university. It would crush my parents and I don't think I'd have their support again for a long time. Also how can I go up and say I want to drop out of University because I'm going to pursue my online business ventures as an Internet Marketer without having any decent evidence of any earnings to back up my argument. (I think the most I've made so far is £200 in a single month, hardly anything to write home about).

I don't even know why I'm writing this post, perhaps I'm looking for some support or maybe a slap in the face? I guess the anonymity of the Internet is appealing to get at least some of this load of my chest and the opinions of others is always something I'm keen to hear.

Thanks for listening,

Matt
#dilemma #huge
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Do both if you can.

    It's going to take a couple of years to really start making money online, and your uni course is important, right now. Even though I'm doing alright with the Internet stuff I do wish I had something to fall back on - just incase. Guru's will tell you that it's easy to make money (it is), but it takes time and very few tell you that.

    Sounds like last year you had a good year, this could be just a phase.. we all get sick of things from time to time, then bounce back. You might bounce back, either way don't make any rash decisions based on what people on a forum tell you.

    Think about the longterm and not what folks selling make money/info products want you to believe.
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  • Profile picture of the author AEC
    I am not going to tell you what you aught to do because I would feel real bad if I caused you to make a bad choice since I don't know your whole circumstance.
    What I will say though is that stress makes you feel like quitting on stuff that you would otherwise keep doing. So I would say at least try to get a bit of a handle on the stress before you decide.

    I know that is easier said than done...
    I want to quit on the offline company that I am part owner in and go all internet marketing so bad I can hardly stand it. But... I am doing both because the internet is not paying the bills yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author pipeten
    I wouldn't drop out yet anyway. Can you just run your online ventures in your spare time? If so it would be a great way to supplement your income. If you are finding that you have a natural talent for it you could get some consultancy work, most businesses are still really lacking with their online marketing strategy and techniques. I'd imagine you can undercut most of the bigger web markingeting businesses too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Why finish university f you hate it already? You clearly won't want to go into your field of study so quit before the costs sink you (or your family) further.

    Many people won't like my opinion but the cool stuff being done online isn't being taught in school.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bingo123
      I'd hang in there. There are thousands of us in the same position as you, only we are working a day job rather than studying.
      So think of studying as your job for now, and do your IM in your spare time like 99% of people on this forum do. Even if you have to get a normal job to start out, think of it as a way to invest in your IM business. With enough dedication you will be able to do IM full time. We all want to do that, you just have to be clever about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattjay
    i agree with mr. grosse. college isn't for everyone. i did one year. i now own a succesful internet company, and i owe nearly all my success to knowledge i gained surfing blogs and forums. not taught in school.
    if you are not committed to college i agree, drop out before the costs eat you alive. pursue what your passionate about.

    matt jersan
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    • Profile picture of the author CrhisD
      Here, read this :

      http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...-negative.html

      Also think about this :

      What's the absolute worst that can happen? are you prepared for it? if you are then go ahead. If you can deal with the worst that life can offer, you can try for the best.

      Also ask yourself this one question : how is it you never know who the mothers of successful people are? do you know who Sam Walton's mom is? or Ingvar Kamprad's ?
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  • Profile picture of the author JeffLam
    To the OP, I feel you. Many times have I think that university education is simply wasting my time. I would very much prefer to pursue entrepreneurship full time.

    The thing is, luckily for me, I'm pursuing a Business degree which is rather general, I bet easier than engineering and more relevant to whatever I'm doing..somewhat.

    IMO I think it's better to try to do both. Tough as it may be, it is indeed a safety net if your internet marketing ventures do not work out.

    UNLESS, you know for sure you will never ever be happy with any job you can get after you get that degree, then yes, dropping out may not be such a bad idea like what Brad said above.

    Afterall, focus is what allows humans to achieve great things.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    You're making nothing at Internet Marketing. You have a golden opportunity that a lot of people don't have to get a university education. Internet Marketing will always be here. Your educational opportunity may not. Get your head back into your studies and finish your education. Do IM part time but don't let it screw up your education.

    You have no idea whether or not you will be successful at Internet Marketing until you are successful at it. Not everyone is. What will you have if you quit college and do not make money with IM? Not much. Maybe a job at a fast food restaurant.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM nice guy
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      You're making nothing at Internet Marketing. You have a golden opportunity that a lot of people don't have to get a university education. Internet Marketing will always be here. Your educational opportunity may not. Get your head back into your studies and finish your education. Do IM part time but don't let it screw up your education.

      You have no idea whether or not you will be successful at Internet Marketing until you are successful at it. Not everyone is. What will you have if you quit college and do not make money with IM? Not much. Maybe a job at a fast food restaurant.

      I have to agree

      I was in a similar position (halfway through career training) as an apprentice chef, which in Aus is a 4 year deal. Well pretty much from 1 1/2 years into it, I hated it.

      BUT, I stuck with it, as it would have really been silly to waste that 1 1/2 years. And now, i always have work, if I need it. Although I have a successful online biz, it's really great to know that if the internet blew up , I would still have a way to bring an income in.

      As my brother once told me, it's good to have options. So I would think long and hard, weigh up your options before thinking of dropping uni.

      Maybe try and get into a more relaxed headspace before you make your final decesion. Trying to make decisions about big life altering courses of action is definitely a bad idea when you are in a stressed out state of being.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Matt,

      I hope this doesn't sound too patronising, but you'll look back on this "dilemma" in years to come and wonder why you let it stress you out so much. In the midst of such a situation, it can be hard to see things objectively.

      It seems to me that you've been caught up in the seductiveness of the IM lifestyle - which in itself isn't a particular problem - but it might be colouring your judgment.

      As Suzanne pointed out upthread, IM isn't going anywhere, and you have the opportunity to acquire a qualification in a subject you appear to be good at, as evidenced by your results last year.

      My advice would be to finish the course. It's not as if you have a lot invested in your IM activities. And if you love your parents and value their support, what's another year or two, in the context of the rest of your life?

      When you start to run your own business, you'll need strong self-discipline and the willingness to tackle some tasks you'd rather leave alone. Look upon your remaining coursework as training for those days. As a means to test whether you have the mental resolve to be your own boss.

      You have the opportunity to use this situation to achieve the best of both worlds - if you get your mindset right.

      Good luck!


      Frank

      EDIT: Just saw your last response - I think you've made a wise choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    A lot of people find out uni is not for them. But IM is not some magic bullet either and I can see why your parents would be a little concerned. It might be different if you were already earning a steady income from IM but you're not.

    I think deep-down we always know the answer - I think you know the answer right now (even if you don't realise it) and you're here hoping to get some logical feedback to back up what you think you should do.

    Just think it through though - it's your life and you have to live it so do what you think is going to make you happy. Everything always works out in one way or another.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brendan Vraibel
      It's always better to have a backup plan and not put all of your eggs in one basket. Like someone mentioned before, what is the worst possible scenario if you drop out? If IM doesn't work out then what next?

      On the flip side formal education certainly isn't for everyone. Contrary to popular belief not everyone who is successful went to university and not everyone who goes to university becomes successful.

      Every situation is different so don't make any knee jerk reactions and make sure you have a plan set before you make any major decisions.

      Good luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hoodyy
    Thanks for all the replies guys,

    I think it's mainly the stress talking now, I haven't done nearly as much work as I should've and have a massive deadline on Thursday. I will probably fail this, something which I have always been fearful of. Ever since I got 10/10 in a spelling test when I was 5, I think my parents have had huge expectations of me and sometimes I just can't handle it.

    If I come back with a results anything less than the best, they will be disappointed.

    I understand everything that everyone has told me and decided that my plan of action is this:

    Try to complete this coursework to the best of my ability in the time remaining and at least pass. Calm down, enjoy myself and relax a little over Christmas and then study hard for my January exams and hopefully do OK at them. I'll then pursue IM in my spare time whilst trying to keep on top of my university work until I've completed my second year. I think then it is time to take a gap year. Have a year out having a go at IM, see if I can make something of it - and I am positive that I can, I truly do believe that I can do well. If not I can then go finish my degree and work 9-5 in a boring office job designing aeroplanes or something for the rest of my life.

    Thanks again for the replies,

    Off to make a coffee, relax a bit and then try to cramm this coursework in.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
      As I so often do, I find myself agreeing again... Alexa is absolutely right here. Don't drop out yet.

      That being said, why can't you switch courses without wasting credits? At most universities, it isn't until the end of second year or beginning of third year that it's truly too late. Are you sure you can't count these courses as electives? Unless your uni is engineering-specific, I'd advise speaking to an academic advisor pronto.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
        It's an interesting discussion when you are outside looking in, but for sure it's a dilema when it involves *you*.
        I know, as I was in the same dilema at Uni.
        In the end I did drop out.

        I have never regretted it nearly 25 years later.
        Without going into (possibly) boring details, I was on a unique degree and ended up in the workplace at exactly the same spot as someone who had graduated from my course, so I felt it vindicated my choice.

        Having said that, the obvious advice to give seems to be 'stay with it, stick it out', and I cannot disagree.

        Without knowing you or your circumstances well enough, this has to be the default advice.
        Having the opportunity to get a degree is not one to give away lightly.

        You can go back to degree study later though, and the choice is ultimately yours.
        Be prepared for the consequences though, and be prepared to take responsibility for the decision.

        Very best wishes however you decide,
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      • Profile picture of the author Sarah S
        You need to take a load off your chest and wait until your mind is clear before making a decision like this. Being stressed out does crazy things to people.

        Last semester of college, my friend broke down in tears while writing a paper for her English Education major, and declared she was quitting and changing majors. When I asked why, she said she was just fed up of writing papers, and didn't know how she could expect to be an English teacher when she couldn't even get herself to write an essay, much less ask a class of students to do the same.

        Here's the thing: I asked her, "How long have you been thinking about quitting your English Ed. major? Since you started writing the paper, or have you been thinking about it for awhile now?" It turned out that it was a thought that had been in the back of her mind for a while, growing bigger and bigger, and the paper was just the tip of the iceberg. It was the breaking point that made her realize she was fed up. So she changed majors, and is now happily studying French.

        In your situation, let me ask you this: how would you feel, right now, if you weren't behind at all in your work, and if you had time to comfortably enjoy doing internet marketing part time like you have been? What is it that really makes you want to quit? Being behind? Having too much on your plate? Hating engineering? Loving Internet Marketing like you've never loved another job?

        I recommend that you make the effort this week to do what I call "the final push," as far as academics goes. Get caught up in your work, put IM aside for the week, and then take Christmas break to relax, and see how you feel.

        But I do have to say, having a University education is almost never something that a person looks back on with regret. Maybe you need to change your major to something that interests you or that is related to marketing, but you've already proven that you can be successful in your studies. It's only a few more years to finish up school, and then you'll have a degree for the rest of your life, plus the option of going into full-time internet marketing if you're still interested in it. However, if you really feel inside like quitting is the right thing for you to do, then you're the only person to know what's best for you, and do what you think is right in your situation.

        Good luck with whatever decision you make, and in the end, remember it's you who has to make it, not your parents or friends or me or anyone else in this forum. Just take some time to think it through, and it'll come to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Hoodyy View Post

    I don't even know why I'm writing this post, perhaps I'm looking for some support or maybe a slap in the face?
    I'll give you a slap in the face, with pleasure ...

    Having just graduated with a First (this summer), I'll give you my honest opinion that it would be extremely inadviseable and regrettable to drop out of university having got a First in your first year. Unimaginably bizarre.

    Decisions like this are actually easy: we only convince ourselves they're difficult. You just have to ask yourself which outcome is more likely to be "regrettable", later.

    Do you hear many people saying "I wish I'd dropped out of university after a year and a half"? I don't. The odd person says it here, deliberately, just for effect, because they have "issues" about education and educated people, but normally they're people who imagine that the only reason for going to college/university is to enhance one's earning power, and of course it isn't too easy to debate intelligently with people who start from that perspective, anyway. :p :rolleyes:

    This is a no-brainer.

    Switch from mechanical engineering to another subject, if you hate mechanical engineering, but don't drop out of university when you've already done more than a year! :rolleyes:

    Was that "slappy" enough?
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    • Profile picture of the author Hoodyy
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Switch from mechanical engineering to another subject, if you hate mechanical engineering, but don't drop out of university when you've already done more than a year! :rolleyes:

      Was that "slappy" enough?
      Ha, yeah that was pretty "slappy"! No way am I changing course though... That would mean more years at university (although the partying lifestyle is good...) and wasted cash on education.

      Thanks for the slap in the face anyway

      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

      Matt,

      I hope this doesn't sound too patronizing, but you'll look back on this "dilemma" in years to come and wonder why you let it stress you out so much. In the midst of such a situation, it can be hard to see things objectively.

      It seems to me that you've been caught up in the seductiveness of the IM lifestyle - which in itself isn't a particular problem - but it might be colouring your judgment.

      As Suzanne pointed out upthread, IM isn't going anywhere, and you have the opportunity to acquire a qualification in a subject you appear to be good at, as evidenced by your results last year.

      My advice would be to finish the course. It's not as if you have a lot invested in your IM activities. And if you love your parents and value their support, what's another year or two, in the context of the rest of your life?

      When you start to run your own business, you'll need strong self-discipline and the willingness to tackle some tasks you'd rather leave alone. Look upon your remaining coursework as training for those days. As a means to test whether you have the mental resolve to be your own boss.

      You have the opportunity to use this situation to achieve the best of both worlds - if you get your mindset right.

      Good luck!


      Frank
      Inspiring post... Looking at this coursework as 'training' for the future is a good idea.

      Thanks for the advice.

      Matt
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Hoodyy View Post

        No way am I changing course though... That would mean more years at university
        Really? It doesn't usually, at that stage ... but this case must be different ... :confused:

        Originally Posted by Hoodyy View Post

        Thanks for the slap in the face anyway
        You're welcome; thanks for not taking me the wrong way.
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        • Profile picture of the author Hoodyy
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Really? It doesn't usually, at that stage ... but this case must be different ... :confused:



          You're welcome; thanks for not taking me the wrong way.
          As far as I understand, if I change course I have to start that course in it's first year, and this makes sense.

          Why would you get to skip the first half of a course if you were studying something completely irrelevant before? That must be how universities / colleges in the USA and other places work I guess, but at my university in the UK I'm fairly sure I cannot just start an unrelated course half way through.

          Matt
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          • Profile picture of the author deertrail
            It sounds to me like the problem isn't with university so much as mechanical engineering.

            I'd say switch to an area of study you have passion for (and, all things being equal, one that dovetails nicely with marketing like psychology, for example) and keep doing IM part-time.

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          • Profile picture of the author doylesoft
            Wow, some practical replies from WF of all places. ; ) Just kidding.

            OP, I understand your situation. I am wrestling with the same dilemma right now. Only difference is, my problem stems from MATH 1000. Curse you college algebra!

            When the semester was getting under-way in September, I have four back to back sales on my site... and I wasn't even marketing the site at the time due to school. It was bittersweet to have a great month but it made me resent school. It made me feel like school took all my free time because I struggle with MATH in the first place.

            Hang in there. You have already invested considerable time and money. Try to finish school if at all possible. As for me, I am thinking of taking sabbatical for a semester. ; )

            Good luck!
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          • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
            Originally Posted by Hoodyy View Post

            As far as I understand, if I change course I have to start that course in it's first year, and this makes sense.

            Why would you get to skip the first half of a course if you were studying something completely irrelevant before? That must be how universities / colleges in the USA and other places work I guess, but at my university in the UK I'm fairly sure I cannot just start an unrelated course half way through.

            Matt
            In North America, the basics are the same no matter what major/course you're taking. Basic English, science, math, etc, are requirements for every major, so the first year or two are "foundation" years, and in the third and fourth years, you get into your specialization. This year is the crucial one. Again, I'd recommend going to talk to an academic advisor pronto. Better to know for sure what your options are re: changing, because the sooner you know, the less likely you'll waste time and money.
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  • Profile picture of the author TomHorton
    Hi Matt,

    Don't drop out of uni. I'm still studying at uni as well as working online.

    I've been online 3 years but only taking it seriously for half that time. In that time i have made money but no where near to live off yet.

    IM takes time so always have something to fall back on otherwise you'll starve m8
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  • Profile picture of the author InfinetADs
    You definitely have to think hard! Yes internet marketing has made a lot of money for some people but not everyone. You have to be ready to invest a lot of time and some money into it to really be "rich". On the other hand your probably young so college will always be there and its easier to fail when your young and then have time to fix it then to fail or be miserable when your older! Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    Right off I can think of many ways a mechanical engineer could use his/her expertise and knowledge on the Internet. So many people only think about the make money online type of Internet marketing. The possibilities are endless in virtually any field. So why does it have to be one or the other. Maybe think of it that you are majoring in mechanical engineering and minoring in Internet marketing with the long-term view of combining them?

    I don't think college is for everyone and there are successes and failures both among graduates and non-graduates. You might want to wait and decide during a holiday period or some time when you are not stressed out from classes.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Stay in school. A professional degree will open up internet marketing opportunities that will blow your mind...
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    Don't drop out of college unless you're Zurkerberg-sure you're going to make a fortune online.

    The experience you'll learn in college ain't all that bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author rafterman
    stay in school, it's a sure thing
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    You must be very careful because internet marketing is not as simple as it appears to be to the ignorant eyes. I hope you’ll have a better luck, but most people online spend all their money trying to learn how to make money, and get frustrated in the end.

    You should continue your studies so that you won’t depend on internet marketing for your survival, otherwise you’ll live a stressed life, trying to make money online by all means. You’ll regret very much having abandoned your studies in the future, if not in a while, if you’ll dare doing something like that.

    Study and try to get back your enthusiasm for what you are doing. Try to make a combination with your studies and your online business. Remember that knowledge is the only thing nobody can steal from you in life. Money comes and goes.

    Your studies will help you in many ways. When someone has a certain knowledge, he/she is able to find more solutions for difficult problems. When you are ignorant you don’t know many possible alternatives, and if you don’t study, you don’t evolve.

    Be very careful also because the global economy today is in a horrible situation. Feel grateful because you have the chance to study and have a profession tomorrow. Without a profession, everything will be very difficult for you. You may make a lot of money with internet marketing today, but tomorrow a competitor may steal your glory. Money comes and goes in life. You should care more about acquiring knowledge, especially now that you are young.

    I’m 49 years old. I’ve seen the development of many people’s lives. Only those who have diplomas and a good social position are protected in our world. If you have no profession, no special knowledge, and no status quo, you are in a very difficult position. This is a world where terrorism and violence prevail. This is a very cruel reality. If you have no social position and no money, nobody cares for you. You are not respected, and you are not protected by anyone.

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  • Profile picture of the author RussRuffino
    Honestly, if you want to drop out or change majors, DO IT.

    It seems like you know you hate engineering. The only thing that's going to keep you studying it, then, is FEAR.

    I went to a High School for performing arts. Everyone who graduated and went to college and stayed the entire 4 years is struggling. Everyone who dropped out and simply started auditioning is a STAR now. You could literally turn on your TV right now and watch the people I graduated with who went for it, dropped out, and just jumped off the cliff. Those of us who played it safe are sitting here wondering why.

    And don't let anyone tell you that making money online takes a long time, either. That's nonsense. I created my first CB product 4 months ago and now I'm steadily making mid 4 figures every week. If I can do it, you can do it.

    I'd also like to point out that I was bartending in LA for ten years and I was ready to completely freak out because I hated every second of it. I didn't know how I would make a living online, I just quit anyway.

    Two days after I quit bartending after ten years, my online income EXPLODED.

    Follow your heart, man.

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    • Profile picture of the author doylesoft
      Originally Posted by RussRuffino View Post


      Two days after I quit bartending after ten years, my online income EXPLODED.

      Follow your heart, man.

      R
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  • Profile picture of the author techvic
    Dude don't drop out. You will regret it. I had similar thoughts 2 years into college and was ready to get an associates degree and be done with it all. But I stayed in and got my Bachelors degree in GIS mapping.

    I don't use that degree at all in my current line of work, but if I ever wanted to I could easily get a good job with that degree. If you find out that you hate IM what then?

    And like you I had boring mind numbing days of coursework but there were also kick butt days that were exciting. Because I stayed in college I got to do my mapping internship in Alaska, and I went on a completely unrelated expedition to Africa just because I happened to be in college in the right place at the right time.

    I'd venture a guess that similar opportunities will become available to you. College gives you a set of skills and experience that you won't get if you drop out and start doing IM.

    Most successful IM marketers I know kept their normal job and way of life and worked on their online business a few hours a night for months or years until it was built to where they felt good about quitting their existing job.

    One last thought, right now your education may seem like it's going to take forever but you'll be surprised how quickly the time goes, and once you are done and graduated you'll wonder what the big deal was.
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  • Profile picture of the author flowers4love
    Dear Matt, I'm old enough to be your mum and I have learnt one valuable lesson in life and that is: life is too short to waste on doing things you don't enjoy. The difference between a free person and a slave is: a free person enjoys his work and a slave only works because he's forced to. You are lucky to discover at such an early stage in your life what you enjoy doing – so go for it and good luck to you!
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    • Profile picture of the author RussRuffino
      Originally Posted by flowers4love View Post

      Dear Matt, I'm old enough to be your mum and I have learnt one valuable lesson in life and that is: life is too short to waste on doing things you don't enjoy. The difference between a free person and a slave is: a free person enjoys his work and a slave only works because he's forced to. You are lucky to discover at such an early stage in your life what you enjoy doing - so go for it and good luck to you!
      This. This, this, this!

      R
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  • Profile picture of the author eQuus
    A technical degree is like unemployment insurance. If IM doesn't pan out for you, you can always be a screw engineer and make decent money, but without that mechanical engineering degree, you'll probably get a job flipping burgers -- or whatever you flip in the UK.
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  • Profile picture of the author sitback
    Hi Matt,

    Don't quit on your University course, see it through, you have come to far to quit. You can still carry on with the IM and may be by the time you leave Uni, then you may be earning a lot more with IM than £200 per month.

    If you quit Uni, then you may quit IM when it gets tough and it will.

    A winner never quits!

    Whatever you decide, good luck

    Regards

    Rob
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