Hey Newbie Marketers: Show your real face in Avatar

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Most successful marketers here on WF and outside are showing their own face, real name and real information.

Take a look at my pic, my name they are real. That's the real me. Go ahead and click on youtube, you will see me talking; click on facebook: real communication.

If you are new on the internet, don't hide behind a mystery avatar or a username. Show your real self and share the world who you are and what you got.

In the early days of IM, the very best thing you can market is your own name. And it will help you up to get new leads, trust from the people around you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JBroyer44
    i 100% agree with personal branding my problem is key in building relationships with customers and your peers. I want to get going with internet marketing but Im also an independent musician and as my sig will show you my realname.com is my music site and I do not want to cross up my brands.

    It is kind of a strange situation but im going to be using my legal name jason for my IM career i think.

    personal branding is important for sure this why i feel videos are such a powerful marketing tool. The customer gets to know you, your personality and you build trust with a them which makes them more likely to buy. I have noticed this in my music career online as well as in my offline business.
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    • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
      Originally Posted by JBroyer44 View Post

      i 100% agree with personal branding my problem is key in building relationships with customers and your peers. I want to get going with internet marketing but Im also an independent musician and as my sig will show you my realname.com is my music site and I do not want to cross up my brands.

      It is kind of a strange situation but im going to be using my legal name jason for my IM career i think.

      personal branding is important for sure this why i feel videos are such a powerful marketing tool. The customer gets to know you, your personality and you build trust with a them which makes them more likely to buy. I have noticed this in my music career online as well as in my offline business.
      This is all about your life and your business, but want to spare some suggestions: I feel if you brand your self as a musician everywhere, that's way better. You can put a sub section on your official website that you offer these services and your your listeners will be interested in learning more.

      If you brand 2 names, it's like having 2 personalities and way hard to manage 2 of them. People will understand that you have another career other than your music. And also your IM clients will be excited to learn that you are also a musician, a win win.

      You see Jay, most IM'ers are only marketers and nothing else. We would die to have a status in creative field, such as art, music etc. You maybe overlooking at the biggest thing you have in your self.
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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    Absolutely agree, but I'm the photographer in my household and there are very few photographs of me around. I'll need to change that over Christmas, and start the new year with a new avatar!

    I've just had passport photos taken, but they're dreadful! Can't use them without a lot of photoshopping- maybe like this:

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    • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
      Originally Posted by Audrey Harvey View Post

      Absolutely agree, but I'm the photographer in my household and there are very few photographs of me around. I'll need to change that over Christmas, and start the new year with a new avatar!

      I've just had passport photos taken, but they're dreadful! Can't use them without a lot of photoshopping- maybe like this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2gD80jv5ZQ
      LOL that vid is cool.

      Yeah pal I recommend you to put your real face from 2011.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I would but.....
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    • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      I would but.....
      You would have shown your real face but Facebook stole it.

      I'm sorry for your predicament. I will always pray for you so that Facebook will return it maybe in double fold.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Waddle View Post

      The higher up you go, the less people reveal their real names or identities
      Yeah, because if you look in the Fortune 500... it's all fake names and anonymous entries. The richest person in the world last year was "some affiliate from Pakistan."
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      Meh, if you've got the looks. flaunt them!

      Personally, I have less perceived trust for posters who have zero info on their profile.

      It's like going to a party wearing a paper bag on your head, not telling anyone your name... and refusing to tell them anything about yourself.
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      • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        Meh, if you've got the looks. flaunt them!

        Personally, I have less perceived trust for posters who have zero info on their profile.

        It's like going to a party wearing a paper bag on your head, not telling anyone your name... and refusing to tell them anything about yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hydroxide
    I just put mine up yesterday
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    • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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      Originally Posted by Hydroxide View Post

      I just put mine up yesterday
      Hey dude, you look so, very, too dark to be noticed, identified.

      Did you apply hydroxide before taking the pic?
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    If you're never gonna release a WSO, never going to do an IM product, and just want to be here to chat about general IM methods and just work on your niches in private, no reason to give your real name or reveal your face. That's just how some want to roll...

    That's how I started out, was just interested in more promotion methods for my niches but then I realized how powerful WSOs and this forum can be.

    In any case, I'm not doing to tell people what to do, they can do what they want, regarding this. Also I see no problem with using a name for music and another for IM. Stars and musicians often are not using their real names.

    Also if you are going to do a niche like weight loss or something and put out articles, etc. on the web than you don't want other IMers seeing what you're doing in that niche, so using a pen name can be beneficial. Nothing wrong with pen names or pseudonyms for stuff like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
    Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

    Most successful marketers here on WF and outside are showing their own face, real name and real information.
    Really? Can I see the source of your statistics please? (of course I'm not a successful marketer and I don't have a pic of me as my avatar, but I don't necessarily think the two are linked

    Whilst I have nothing to hide (then again maybe I do and I'm just saying i don't), I can say that I have had my name and address published on a site that advocated the death of spammers and suggested that folks should turn up on my door step and beat the living daylights out of me. My crime - I created poor quality made for adsense sites (a lot of them), which i openly admit to.

    I'm sure most people are fine upstanding folks here - but why take the risk?

    Can you really trust a picture so much? How sure are you that the pictures you see next to a persons name are even pictures of them?
    I know i've seen bruce willis posting under a lot of different user names on a lot of different forums, but hey it's Bruce Willis, of course I should trust him

    The first thing I taught my kids when online was to NEVER give out personal details, and to always consider the possibility that someone is not who they say they are and may not have your best interests at heart.

    I still think that's good advice to follow as an adult.

    I know i've dealt with at least two people who used their real names and pictures on websites and sig files and found them to be little more than scam artists or lying scum bags. Funnily enough they seemed like really nice people until they got hold of my money.

    Short version: A piccie and some personal details has no bearing on the trustworthyness of that person.
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    • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
      Originally Posted by profitsforall View Post

      Really? Can I see the source of your statistics please? (of course I'm not a successful marketer and I don't have a pic of me as my avatar, but I don't necessarily think the two are linked

      Whilst I have nothing to hide (then again maybe I do and I'm just saying i don't), I can say that I have had my name and address published on a site that advocated the death of spammers and suggested that folks should turn up on my door step and beat the living daylights out of me. My crime - I created poor quality made for adsense sites (a lot of them), which i openly admit to.

      I'm sure most people are fine upstanding folks here - but why take the risk?

      Can you really trust a picture so much? How sure are you that the pictures you see next to a persons name are even pictures of them?
      I know i've seen bruce willis posting under a lot of different user names on a lot of different forums, but hey it's Bruce Willis, of course I should trust him

      The first thing I taught my kids when online was to NEVER give out personal details, and to always consider the possibility that someone is not who they say they are and may not have your best interests at heart.

      I still think that's good advice to follow as an adult.

      I know i've dealt with at least two people who used their real names and pictures on websites and sig files and found them to be little more than scam artists or lying scum bags. Funnily enough they seemed like really nice people until they got hold of my money.

      Short version: A piccie and some personal details has no bearing on the trustworthyness of that person.
      Hi,

      Most successful marketers here on WF and outside are showing their own face, real name and real information.
      This is what I believe, but if it is not then I have no problem changing my word. What you said about sharing fake identity online is completely opposite of what I have been practicing.

      Internet is like real world and real people make it real, isn't it?? And we do business, transaction without even meeting the person in real.

      The pic is just a starting point for trust. Of course you can keep the level of privacy and on the internet nobody can come there and kill you over the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    Here we see many real pictures in Avatar. I have done it
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  • Profile picture of the author Hexor
    As long as you are not tricking people. You are still tolerated, We people are just starting, we will but in the right time. We are just lazy to put our own picture because some dont have pretty faces Peace out
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Most successful marketers here on WF and outside are showing their own face, real name and real information.
    And your information and data to support this is.... ???

    I guess this is make stuff up day.

    Actually, you have no idea...
    1. Who is making money and how much
    2. If a person is successful or faking it
    3. If an avatar pic is really a picture of that person
    4. If a user name really is the name of that person
    5. If using a picture makes any difference
    6. If using a name make any difference

    If you are making your business decisions based on a forum name and pic, all of which can be faked, that is just as silly as my sock puppet avatar.

    I know who I am! I'm the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude!
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelParsons
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      I know who I am! I'm the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude!
      Priceless, and exactly the point.

      THIS IS THE INTERNET. I could actually be a red-headed astrophysicist/supermodel, not the doughy putz in the avatar

      You never know...
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    • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      And your information and data to support this is.... ???

      I guess this is make stuff up day.

      Actually, you have no idea...
      1. Who is making money and how much
      2. If a person is successful or faking it
      3. If an avatar pic is really a picture of that person
      4. If a user name really is the name of that person
      5. If using a picture makes any difference
      6. If using a name make any difference

      If you are making your business decisions based on a forum name and pic, all of which can be faked, that is just as silly as my sock puppet avatar.

      I know who I am! I'm the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude!
      I guess this is make stuff up day.
      Absolutely no, hey pal I don't know who you are or what you do but since you are hiding behind that puppet, so that you can criticize and get away with this.

      Go and see some of the successful people on the Net: Darren Rowse, John Chow, Chris Broagan -ohh these people are bloggers and marketers, they have showed their faces, they are making good money.

      See Seth Godin, Guy kawasaki -they all are successful and we know who they are how they look.

      When you see them in conferences, you will know that "yes I know him!"

      You cannot determine a persons success based on how much money they make. Success is different. If puppet has a brain, then it will understand.

      Online: We see a person's avatar and build a personality on our mind. We do all the talk, business/deals with the person that we know by the avatar. Even if the pic is not real, this is the face we keep in mind everytime.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

        If you are new on the internet, don't hide behind a mystery avatar or a username. Show your real self and share the world who you are and what you got.
        Remember this part.

        Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

        Absolutely no, hey pal I don't know who you are or what you do but since you are hiding behind that puppet, so that you can criticize and get away with this.
        Outside of IM, nobody knows Frank Kern or John Reese or Jeff Walker or Mike Filsaime or Allen Says.

        "But they show their real face!" you say.

        Yes, they do. But they don't have to. Each and every one of them has a passive income empire that means they never have to show that face again. They could walk away tomorrow, never come back, and not give a tinker's dam whether you know who they are.

        Jason doesn't need to show his real face if he doesn't want to. If he were new and struggling and didn't know why he couldn't make any money, yes, I would advise him to drop the sock puppet and show his real face. I would remind him that "people buy from people." I would suggest that people mistrust him because "sock puppet" is a derogatory term on the internet.

        But look at my avatar.

        That man is almost certainly not mentally stable.

        In addition, if you're on my list, you'll see messages come across it that make you say "yep, there's some pretty serious lack of judgment going on here, and quite likely some form of mental illness as well."

        I think the last series of tweets that went across my Twitter account were about how much absinthe I was drinking.

        And that's intentional. Because if it offends you that I'm crazy and irresponsible and drink like a fish, you don't want to be my customer.

        Similarly, Jason may simply not want customers who think his avatar is unprofessional. That's who he is - the kind of guy who uses a sock puppet as his avatar.

        Get it? Get it? He's not a real person... he's a sock puppet! He's a shill for a company pretending to be a normal person so he can affect your opinion! That's a very subtle and creative jab at marketing communities! He's smart! I like him!

        And if all you see is "that's not his real face," maybe his general attitude on that is essentially "buh-bye then."

        Different businesses are run differently.
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        • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
          Ok Tamal, keep it up and I just may cast my vote you to make you one of the top runner ups in the BMW of the year award.

          What do you say about this pic and this company???



          Note the pic? Now, note the truth.

          Unfortunately, no Aunt Jemima (no final "h") ever actually invented or poured any maple syrup (or maple-flavored corn sweetener substitute). The Quaker Oats Company is the owner of the Aunt Jemima brand, and according to a spokesperson, although there have been three different women who played the part in various promotions, the character was not based on any real person. (Incidentally, the outline of the man on the front of the Quaker Oats containers is likewise the figment of someone's imagination...)
          So I guess, by your business model, the Quaker Oats Company has no trust amongst consumers?

          Oh, and what about David Deangelo of the online company, Double Your Dating? For years no one knew DD is a pen name and that the man behind the fictional dating icon is actually a person name: Eben Pagan.



          Even when Eben finally let the cat out the bag about his true identity, some people still do know, but guess what, they still trust him!

          In the final analysis, you put your real picture up and guess what? Who cares either way. Just so you know, if you never brought it to our attention, no one would have given a second thought to it.

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          • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
            Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

            Ok Tamal, keep it up and I just may cast my vote you to make you one of the top runner ups in the BMW of the year award.

            What do you say about this pic and this company???



            Note the pic? Now, note the truth.

            So I guess, by your business model, the Quaker Oats Company has no trust amongst consumers?

            Oh, and what about David Deangelo of the online company, Double Your Dating? For years no one knew DD is a pen name and that the man behind the fictional dating icon is actually a person name: Eben Pagan.



            Even when Eben finally let the cat out the bag about his true identity, some people still do know, but guess what, they still trust him!

            In the final analysis, you put your real picture up and guess what? Who cares either way. Just so you know, if you never brought it to our attention, no one would have given a second thought to it.

            Giles, the Crew Chief
            Stuff and nonsense sir. Next thing I know you are going to tell me that Tony the Tiger was made up too. I'll never eat another bowl of frosties if that guys a fake.
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          • Profile picture of the author sal64
            With respect...

            It's his thread and his topic for discussion, so he can argue whatever he wants to argue.

            Frankly, your crusade against the BMW's is becoming boring and you yourself are turning into a BMW. It seems that as soon as you don't agree with something, you brand people BMW's.

            Oh the irony.

            Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

            Ok Tamal, keep it up and I just may cast my vote you to make you one of the top runner ups in the BMW of the year award.

            What do you say about this pic and this company???



            Note the pic? Now, note the truth.

            So I guess, by your business model, the Quaker Oats Company has no trust amongst consumers?

            Oh, and what about David Deangelo of the online company, Double Your Dating? For years no one knew DD is a pen name and that the man behind the fictional dating icon is actually a person name: Eben Pagan.



            Even when Eben finally let the cat out the bag about his true identity, some people still do know, but guess what, they still trust him!

            In the final analysis, you put your real picture up and guess what? Who cares either way. Just so you know, if you never brought it to our attention, no one would have given a second thought to it.

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          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          And that's intentional. Because if it offends you that I'm crazy and irresponsible and drink like a fish, you don't want to be my customer.
          Offend me? :confused: Not one bit.

          Where can I find your opt-in? I just decided I want to subscribe to it.

          (Tony Shepherd is one marketer whose emails and blog posts I enjoy receiving/reading, for exactly this reason. )
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  • Profile picture of the author jamjar919
    I think that in my case, my pic has to be quite regulated (Low Res) as I am a bit young.
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  • Profile picture of the author TonyMontana
    I'm new on here so I've not had the chance to find a decent pic but I'll get it all sorted for the new year
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I'm new on here so I've not had the chance to find a decent pic but I'll get it all sorted for the new year
    Don't worry, I've got you covered Tony.



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  • Profile picture of the author John McNally
    I agree with you Tamal. The Internet is another version of the real world. I wouldn't want to deal with people who hide behind a mask in the real world, and it's the same here.

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    • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
      of course the internet is the real world - and by virtue of that fact you'll still meet professional, trustworthy looking folks that will scam you for every penny you've got. Theres enough programs on real crime to tell you that.

      However, not uploading your picture on an internet forum is far from hiding behind a mask, the same way that talking on a phone with someone you've never met isn't hiding behind a mask.

      The key point is - a picture of a person tells you nothing more about them than what they look like, not their moral or ethical values, and that's if it's even a picture of them.

      In fact - on the internet it's even easier to misrepresent yourself. In real life you know what a person look like when you meet them, it's pretty difficult to disguise yourself in a non obvious way. - on a forum all you know is what a person wants to make you think they look like.

      So if someone wanted to con someone online they can increase their perceived trust by :

      1. Get trustworthy looking pic of a complete stranger , upload as forum avatar.
      2. Say they live in some sleepy backwater in america.
      3. Post a few posts, talking of their success, make a few mentions of charitable donations, and possibly thank the good lord for the success he/she's given them. That should tick all the trust boxes nicely.
      4. Hey - if you could perhaps mention a previous career in law enforcement , but you were invalided out when you were shot rescuing a small child, even better

      I truly believe that the vast majority of people are good and basically trustworthy, but I also think it's worth reminding folks that that still leaves a significant number of people that would lose no sleep over scamming you for every penny you own.
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      • Profile picture of the author JDArchitecture
        There are no absolutes.

        Talk to me when you've split tested your hypothesis.

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    • Profile picture of the author lcombs
      Originally Posted by John McNally View Post

      I agree with you Tamal. The Internet is another version of the real world. I wouldn't want to deal with people who hide behind a mask in the real world, and it's the same here.

      John
      I agree, when dealing person-to-person.
      If "I" am my business, such as selling a service online.

      The first book I ever read about writing sales copy
      was "Direct Mail That Sells" by Herschell Gordon Lewis.
      In it, he states that there is a difference between "Lying"
      and "cheating". Cheating is allowed, but never, ever lie.
      Cheating is when, for example, an actor portrays a doctor
      in a TV commercial. Or, actors portraying a family in a coffee
      commercial.
      Lying is making false claims about what your product
      will do.

      So, if I want to brand myself as a marketing service I want to use
      my real name, and photo. But, if I'm also marketing in several different niches, I may want to "cheat" a little bit.

      Frank Kern marketed his dog training sites as Dean Rankin.

      Don't know if this helps or hinders.
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  • Profile picture of the author vishalduggal
    Most of the people don't place there pictures in Avatar simply because they are ugly :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    After months of contributing to this forum, I didn't even know what "Allen" looked like until about a week or 2 ago. Not saying that's a bad thing....not everyone uses their "real" face (reference Allen's avatar) and they don't exactly have to be "newbie" IMers....

    Just saying....

    Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

    Most successful marketers here on WF and outside are showing their own face, real name and real information.

    Take a look at my pic, my name they are real. That's the real me. Go ahead and click on youtube, you will see me talking; click on facebook: real communication.

    If you are new on the internet, don't hide behind a mystery avatar or a username. Show your real self and share the world who you are and what you got.

    In the early days of IM, the very best thing you can market is your own name. And it will help you up to get new leads, trust from the people around you.
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    Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

    Most successful marketers here on WF and outside are showing their own face, real name and real information.
    Wow ... someone should tell Allen that using his own pic will make him successful. lol.

    Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

    Absolutely no, hey pal I don't know who you are or what you do but since you are hiding behind that puppet, so that you can criticize and get away with this.
    I know the sock puppet, Jason Morgan. You, however, I don't feel I know. Haven't seen enough of your posts to get a feel for who you are. The face in your avatar doesn't matter to me. Your contributions to the forum and the reputation you've built do and there are many people on this forum with cartoon avatars that I would do business with based on their reputations.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Wow ... someone should tell Allen that using his own pic will make him successful. lol.
      It's quite interesting that the most vocal about this are also dedicated to passionately contributing to a forum run by a yellow smiley face with a big fat cigar sticking out, as his avatar....lol

      Anyone want to venture a guess as to how much $$$$ Allen's WF made this year?
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        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        It's quite interesting that the most vocal about this are also dedicated to passionately contributing to a forum run by a yellow smiley face with a big fat cigar sticking out, as his avatar....lol

        Anyone want to venture a guess as to how much $$$$ Allen's WF made this year?
        I won't guess but if I could match it, I would gladly trade in my avatar for a big yellow cigar smoking smiley.
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        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        It's quite interesting that the most vocal about this are also dedicated to passionately contributing to a forum run by a yellow smiley face with a big fat cigar sticking out, as his avatar....lol

        Anyone want to venture a guess as to how much $$$$ Allen's WF made this year?
        $2gazillion? Hey its a guess.

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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I know the sock puppet, Jason Morgan. You, however, I don't feel I know.
      Watch General Hospital, that explains the sock puppet! Lol. (I guess I should change my nic to 'Luke Spencer?:rolleyes

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        I don't want my mother to know I'm doing this.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I don't want my mother to know I'm doing this.
          I'm going to call your mother and tell her you had a boob job That should get her attention.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            DogScout -

            What a handsome avatar - I'd trust that face anywhere.

            Of course, I'd trust any dog over a "people" most of the time....
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            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            I'm going to call your mother and tell her you had a boob job That should get her attention.
            Have you seen my mother?
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I know we have this discussion every so often and even though I do have my actual photo up (you guys thought it was some supermodel, right?) I don't really agree that having your real photo should make you more credible.

    Maybe for the very brand new people it does make you seem more credible, but I think that once someone has been around the forum for a while, they can see who provides value and who doesn't.

    I know that for me, some of the people I trust the most here do not have their real photos.

    Take Suzanne, for example - at least I think that is not her real photo.... I would put a lot of stock in pretty much anything she says and take a serious look at her products (yes, I have purchased some myself)

    Also, jasonmorgan whose posts and insight I highly value - I don't think he (or maybe she?) has ever had a photo and I'm not sure he even has any products for sale (I always look at his sig to see as I would probably buy one if he did - lol). (BTW - your constant changing of avatars is driving me crazy)

    Another one I can think of off the top of my head is bgmacaw ... there's probably others and I know there are some with their real photos too, but my point is that a photo does not IMHO make someone credible - it is what they post about that does it for me.

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    I took my picture off even though it was in sketch form I kept scaring others away lol

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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Absolutely no, hey pal I don't know who you are or what you do but since you are hiding behind that puppet, so that you can criticize and get away with this.
    I'm not hiding behind a sock puppet. I'm hiding inside a sock.

    I'm not hiding that hard. You can find my name and PO box in this very thread if you look hard enough. Feel free to send gifts

    For most serious business people, an avatar or nickname or completely crappy attitude on an internet forum has no bearing on your business relationship. It's business, it's about money. So I can't JV with someone here, I'll survive until Internext and work some deals face to face.

    Sock puppet has no brain but does make money. People like to work with people who are making money.

    Happy Festivus!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bicycle Cat
    But... I am a cat in real life, obviously!

    Seriously, just like what profitsforall said, just because you might have 'your' face as an avatar doesn't make you successful or trustworthy, although it can build relationships with peers.

    That said, I might reveal my ugly mug to the world when I become much more successful around here.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Also, jasonmorgan whose posts and insight I highly value - I don't think he (or maybe she?) has ever had a photo and I'm not sure he even has any products for sale
    Thanks, and no, I have never sold anything on the WF. I just like to hang and stir up trouble.
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    • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Thanks, and no, I have never sold anything on the WF. I just like to hang and stir up trouble.
      I'm sorry I'm not going to do business with a sock puppet that has such an unprofessional hair cut. Those eyes look a bit shifty to me too, I suggest you replace the buttons at once if you want my money!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
    Well speaking as someone who fell out the ugly tree and was hit by every branch on the way down, I've always found it almost impossible to conduct face to face business with people who keep yelling "Da Bells, Da Bells" at me.
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  • Profile picture of the author zenji
    This is interesting for people like me who never use personal images on blogs like this. I prefer to promote my brand logo instead.

    Just my two cents
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    A lot of the promote yourself or not, as was mentioned above, depends on your product.

    I'm not into selling How To Make Money or products with my name attached so promoting myself isn't necessary. I think this is the case for most internet marketers.

    The Warrior Forum is anomaly since much of the business done here is based on establishing yourself as an expert and selling internet marketing related products to other internet marketers.

    I get the impression that there are people who base their entire business model on selling products here and haven't had any real success outside of this forum.

    It's a big internet. Making Money Telling Others How To Make Money is a very small piece of the pie.

    People aren't buying from Amazon.com because their owner has a pretty avatar. Facebook didn't explode because Zuckerburg was the coolest kid at Harvard. Did somebody not join the war room because Alan has a duck avatar?

    So back to the OP, yes, if you are trying to build a name and establish yourself as an expert or an authority in a field many of the points made in the first post of this thread do have merit but it's not something that is going to make a difference for the majority of internet marketers who are silently going about their business and cashing their affiliate checks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      You sound like a passionate BMW for sure!

      Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

      Most successful marketers here on WF and outside are showing their own face, real name and real information.

      Take a look at my pic, my name they are real. That's the real me. Go ahead and click on youtube, you will see me talking; click on facebook: real communication.

      If you are new on the internet, don't hide behind a mystery avatar or a username. Show your real self and share the world who you are and what you got.

      In the early days of IM, the very best thing you can market is your own name. And it will help you up to get new leads, trust from the people around you.
      Oh and John is hilarious...

      Originally Posted by John McNally View Post

      I agree with you Tamal. The Internet is another version of the real world. I wouldn't want to deal with people who hide behind a mask in the real world, and it's the same here.

      John
      This said by the guy wearing sunglasses in his Avatar.

      Ok BMWs have at it...

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Don't be mean to innocent sock puppets!

        If you want to use a photo - that's great. Doesn't mean everyone else has to do it because you want them to. You might be surprised at how many photos on the WF are not of the person displaying it:p

        Pretty girl photos seem especially popular....

        If you are selling IM make money products, a photo is a good idea. Not everyone here works in that niche or wants to brand themselves.

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  • Profile picture of the author wtatlas
    Once of the most successful internet marketers I know has many products floating around the internet and earning enough for him to be a muti-millionaire.

    Most of them are written under a pen name. It would appear that building a brand around yourself isn't the only way to go.
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    Thanks for the tip! I just added my picture.
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  • Profile picture of the author V12
    This IS my real picture. I'm Herbie's millionaire uncle...

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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I have found sales increase when you're always upfront.

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      • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I have found sales increase when you're always upfront.

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        Hi, I know this is not your real pic but it sure brings a lot of attention to your posts
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

          Hi, I know this is not your real pic but it sure brings a lot of attention to your posts
          Yeah ... especially if you're a male. If you're a female, who cares how big her *ahem* breasts are? Which goes to show ... you can put any pic up there and no one will know whether it is the real you or not. I certainly don't know if that is your real pic.

          Branding ... branding is not about putting a face on a forum or piece of stationary.
          Wikipedia:
          A brand is the identity of a specific product, service, or business. A brand can take many forms, including a name, sign, symbol, color combination or slogan. I do, as a matter of fact, use my avatar on many of my own personal sales pages and a personal blog. That is branding. I could just as easily use a symbol ... that too is branding. As long as it is consistent, it is branding.

          Funny thing is, many people here "know" me as well as you can know someone on the Internet. They know my name and it's easy to also find my address and email. They know what I do for a living.

          Just because someone slaps a photo up in the forum does not mean that we know you or trust you. That's called reputation and no matter what symbol you use to represent yourself, reputation is built over time. Has nothing to do with a photo.
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          • Profile picture of the author sal64
            OMG!!

            That isn't what you really look like? I'm devastated.

            pwned.

            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Yeah ... especially if you're a male. If you're a female, who cares how big her *ahem* breasts are? Which goes to show ... you can put any pic up there and no one will know whether it is the real you or not. I certainly don't know if that is your real pic.

            Branding ... branding is not about putting a face on a forum or piece of stationary.
            Wikipedia:
            A brand is the identity of a specific product, service, or business. A brand can take many forms, including a name, sign, symbol, color combination or slogan. I do, as a matter of fact, use my avatar on many of my own personal sales pages and a personal blog. That is branding. I could just as easily use a symbol ... that too is branding. As long as it is consistent, it is branding.

            Funny thing is, many people here "know" me as well as you can know someone on the Internet. They know my name and it's easy to also find my address and email. They know what I do for a living.

            Just because someone slaps a photo up in the forum does not mean that we know you or trust you. That's called reputation and no matter what symbol you use to represent yourself, reputation is built over time. Has nothing to do with a photo.
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  • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
    If you are new on the internet, don't hide behind a mystery avatar or a username. Show your real self and share the world who you are and what you got.
    Newbie IM'ers who trying to get a name out should use their name and picture to gain trust. Doesn't matters if you are doing niche marketing or afft sales, you can still build a brand around yourself.

    At some point you may feel creating a different avatar for creating some niche sites, that's okay. Here I completely agree with Sock Puppet guy.

    I don't agree with sock puppet where he said teaching kids not to reveal real names and identity. Don't you feel you are guiding them how to fake? After all on the internet you can keep your privacy levels.

    Most people on this thread agreed and dis-agreed but you know all that to build a personal brand, get interested clients you need to show the real and trustworthy details/pic. Out of that you can sure choose any identity you want, penname to sell stuff through niche marketing.. As SockPuppet said, it's just a small piece of the big pie.

    Anyone who think they don't look good in their actual pic: Hey you should see the first pic I put on my very first avatar, that was gross! but my point is, that was the real me. So don't hasitate to show it to the world.

    My final thoughts on this will be, I will continue showing my pic, real name on sites and any positive/negative impacts will add up in my name and I will be responsible for this.
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  • Profile picture of the author sierraandmo
    I hear what all of you are saying, and I have the same problem as Audrey. That could be a good christmas present to myself (a picture for WF). Until then, I have to stay the naughty little monkey that I am.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Rodman
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    Just as an observation, most of the higher level marketers that seem to have visited this forum never included a picture. Just sayin'

    I think it's more appropriate to say that if you plan on making some money off the warrior forum, you MAY want to consider that you put a picture up. That's not to say you NEED one, or that it's your motivation for having a picture up.

    This may be surprising to some people, but I have never sold an IM product and don't plan on it. Therefore, I use the forum strictly for marketing that I can apply to niches where I operate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    Excellent post and great thread.

    Just as in offline business, I would not do business
    with someone who wouldn't even let me know who
    they are.

    I've used my real photo, etc., since a friend forced
    me to back in the late 90s. Thank you Wanda Loskot

    Some people may not connect with your photo or name,
    etc., but that's ok. Not everyone is your customer.
    Those who are allowed to connect will become your
    real repeat customers... and will send you lots of
    referrals, etc.

    If you google my name you'll find hundreds of my photos,
    dozens of videos, etc. They all make growing my
    business very easy.

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    • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

      Excellent post and great thread.

      Just as in offline business, I would not do business
      with someone who wouldn't even let me know who
      they are.

      I've used my real photo, etc., since a friend forced
      me to back in the late 90s. Thank you Wanda Loskot

      Some people may not connect with your photo or name,
      etc., but that's ok. Not everyone is your customer.
      Those who are allowed to connect will become your
      real repeat customers... and will send you lots of
      referrals, etc.

      If you google my name you'll find hundreds of my photos,
      dozens of videos, etc. They all make growing my
      business very easy.

      Willie
      Ohh thanks a lot Willie
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    Thanks for the reminder - I posted mine
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  • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
    Take a look at my pic, my name they are real. That's the real me.

    ... and I am a real tiger...

    To be honest, I don't see what difference it makes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
    How do you know that the person's avatar is the real them? Look at it like this, WF and most other forums have a male majority. What sells now days? Sex. So say someone creates an account, uses a fake female avatar and starts promoting their services? One can safely assume that if the avatar is of a good looking female, they'll get a lot of business.

    There are 2-3 "good looking" females on this forum who use avatars. Go to their profile. Look at the views and number of visitor messages. Apart from all the stalkerish "lets talk on skype etc", they get a lot of people wanting to do business with them.

    Why don't I show my real face? I'm not an internet marketer. I don't claim to be a guru or an expert in this field. I provide a service to college students. On this forum, that does no warrant my face being shown.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian Alaway
      Not sure how much difference it makes, if any, on a forum. But I guess I'm just old school as I find people, no matter what they look like, much more interesting than some avatar.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I would suggest that people mistrust him because "sock puppet" is a derogatory term on the internet.
    WUT?

    *sock puppet wanders off to google

    *sock puppet slaps jason morgan around a bit with a large trout
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  • Profile picture of the author alphaxyz
    i tried damn hard to change my face to look like this
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    people have their own reason to put up/ not to put up their real info IMHO.

    i take note when i see good posts and i respect the person who wrote it. i don't bother myself with bad posts and ignore the writer.

    to each his/her own
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

      Sometimes it's really important to think before you speak (write).
      That is a understatement if I ever read one.

      Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

      You talk about "branding yourself" and "gaining trust". Yet you go off and start a thread like this. And then you argue to no end with everyone who disagrees with you. Only you are not really arguing; you are simply trying to impose your opinion on other people.
      Yes, we call these type of posters BMWs Business Model Warriors. When they adopt a Business Model, anyone who uses or deploys a business model different than theirs is literally called every name in the book: scam artist, lazy, unintelligent, stupid, moronic, idiotic, jerk and yada, yada, yada.

      If they don't use PLR, anyone who does is lazy.

      If they made their money using Lists and you don't have a List, they consider you a moron.

      If they do everything online manually and you use IMATs, according to them, you don't have a brain.

      Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

      You lost this one before you even got started. Time for a new mindset, my friend.
      Especially if you are trying to build a brand.

      OP, you obviously didn't think about this beforehand, but you probably lost some potential customers on the WF simply because they use Avatars and they took exception to your real picture versus Avatar argument.

      And of course, the big one, the owner of the WF uses a friggin Avatar.
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      Do you trust Allen Says any less, now that you know this? Hahahaha.

      Originally Posted by profitsforall View Post

      Stuff and nonsense sir. Next thing I know you are going to tell me that Tony the Tiger was made up too. I'll never eat another bowl of frosties if that guys a fake.
      Tony The Tiger is real; he just wasn't as nice as they portrayed her to be...


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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    I would, but I've had stalker problems in the past with people I no longer want to associate with and they've gone to the extreme of even finding my personal email address when I kept it hidden. I don't have a myspace or facebook because of this.

    Considering that I've purchased wso's and services here, I'm using the first letter of my first name and my entire last name + 88 to make it easier for people here to know that I've used their services.

    I know I'll have to reveal myself eventually, but my stalker experiences have scarred me quite a bit
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  • Profile picture of the author Lemy Yusento
    I agree this thread.

    many of internet marketers are using avatar or hide their identity..

    I think to be successful in a field, we should give the best we can including show our face, is it right?...

    If people don't know who we are, how are we supposed get their help? Cause basically, any successful person, including internet marketer, REALLY NEED help from
    other.

    Although, i also respect other in this thread who wrote every one has his/her own reason to put/not put their identity in this forum.

    So, i respect them.

    The best to you,

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        Originally Posted by JDArchitecture View Post

        Obscure marketing geek reference FTW.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChiTownRoc
    i used avatar's in the beginning (mostly one of my husband's paintings) and then a friend kept bugging me to put my face out there. i don't know why i didn't. i finally just took a bunch of photos until something looked half way decent.

    it's one thing to have a site; another to put your face. for me i just felt totally exposed so it took a bit to get over the fear factor.

    but if you are going to do network marketing you need to network more than you market and how can people network with you if they can't see who you are?

    i totally believe in personal branding. people do business with people they trust so let them see who they will be dealing with.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ty Wagner
      Originally Posted by ChiTownRoc View Post

      it's one thing to have a site; another to put your face. for me i just felt totally exposed so it took a bit to get over the fear factor.

      but if you are going to do network marketing you need to network more than you market and how can people network with you if they can't see who you are?

      i totally believe in personal branding. people do business with people they trust so let them see who they will be dealing with.
      Networking was a problem that I faced when
      people approached me in the "outside world".

      If you're an internet marketer that can't be
      found on the internet for what you do, then
      it comes off as weird to businesses when you
      don't have anything that shows your work
      with your name on it.

      Yes you may have tons of niche websites
      that get traffic and sales but there is nothing
      on the internet that represent you as an
      internet marketer.

      As an internet marketer that focuses more
      on creating niche products I preferred to stay
      behind the scenes.

      Why?

      My intentions weren't about networking,
      making friends and building relationships
      with people in the internet marketing
      community. Or to gain credibility so later
      on I could have a better chance at selling
      my products to use for leverage when
      other opportunities come in life.

      Friendships with other internet marketers,
      entrepreneurs and real thinkers of this world
      is COOL! These people think on a different level
      than "worker drones".

      My thoughts have changed overtime...

      Being an internet marketer that secretly
      "kills it" online without anyone knowing
      what you do or how you did it is
      BOOORIINNnnng! (In My Opinion)

      It all depends on what direction you want to
      take and deciding if a real picture of yourself
      would help or hurt your business.

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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        With respect... It's his thread and his topic for discussion, so he can argue whatever he wants to argue.
        He did just that and apparently his arguing with various WF members didn't net him the desired results he had envisioned.

        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        Frankly, your crusade against the BMW's is becoming boring and you yourself are turning into a BMW.
        Since you need something less boring and maybe more exciting, I may be joining the crusade to save the wales.


        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        It seems that as soon as you don't agree with something, you brand people BMW's.
        Your operative word is "Seems," ...your perceptions and my realities are two worlds apart.

        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        Oh the irony.
        You're telling me... hope I didn't bore you some more.

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        • Profile picture of the author sal64
          Never bored mate. Let the guy run his own race. Either he learns or he doesn't.
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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

            Never bored mate. Let the guy run his own race. Either he learns or he doesn't.
            Thanks for clearing up how you would like things to play out and now I'll get back to my crusade against BMWs as you put it...

            Like you said, its boring but hey, someone has got to do it.

            And now, the regular scheduled programming.




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              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post


              Sniff... That looks just like my sweet Poopsie. He died, you know.
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            • Profile picture of the author sal64
              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

              Thanks for clearing up how you would like things to play out and now I'll get back to my crusade against BMWs as you put it...

              Like you said, its boring but hey, someone has got to do it.

              And now, the regular scheduled programming.




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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
                Well, I used to have a lower case Z as my avatar, but now I think I am grown up enough to use the capital form.

                I believe that the we live in a marketing world, and if you want your face to be your brand, then that is how you want it. If you want somehting else to be instatly recognizable as your brand, like a sock puppet - I am still smarting from investing all my 401K in pets.com) or a cigar-smoking smileyface or a heavily tattooed super blog mistress, then that is your brand. Or like me who is using the first letter of my ancestors' last name before it was Ellis Islandized just because I want to.

                And everyone that is a newbie or everyone else for that matter gets to make that choice for themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author TelZilla
    OP, I had no picture for years, then I put my real picture up here for a couple of years, and finally took it down and put up this avatar a few months ago. If someone wants to know what I look like, it wouldn't be all that hard to find a picture of me online. As a matter of fact, this avatar is actually pretty darn close to how I look in real life.

    But seriously, does it matter?

    I don't think so. Nor do a lot of the long time warriors.

    Before you make such blanket statements, perhaps you should check your facts. I think you would find that your statements are in error.

    But what do I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    Hmm, very interesting perspectives.

    I started out being a little more paranoid about my identity. On most forums, I don't reveal my full real name, but I've done so here. On most forums, I use an avatar with a cat, but I've shown my real face here.

    I'm building a tribe... a collection of people whose businesses I respect and buy from, who respect me and buy from my business, but also who stand for something much more important than monetary exchange... exchange of ideas, help, and goodwill.

    It's a personal preference for me to show what I look like, and I recently updated my avatar to a pic I took a week or two ago, shortly after I changed my hairstyle and look in "real life" to stay current.

    One of the reasons I use my real picture is because it says 'I'm willing to put my face and name by what I write, say, and do'. It reminds me to stay honest, focused on quality, and responsive as I find like-minded people and network, share, help, give, and sometimes get.

    Yeah, there are creepy guys who message me solely on the basis of my looks, but that's no different from real life... I'm betting most girls here have gotten unwanted attention at least once or twice. I might not be a supermodel, but I'm not going to hide what I've got just to stay away from creepy people and stay safe, sheltered and anonymous.
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    • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
      Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post

      Hmm, very interesting perspectives.

      I started out being a little more paranoid about my identity. On most forums, I don't reveal my full real name, but I've done so here. On most forums, I use an avatar with a cat, but I've shown my real face here.

      I'm building a tribe... a collection of people whose businesses I respect and buy from, who respect me and buy from my business, but also who stand for something much more important than monetary exchange... exchange of ideas, help, and goodwill.

      It's a personal preference for me to show what I look like, and I recently updated my avatar to a pic I took a week or two ago, shortly after I changed my hairstyle and look in "real life" to stay current.

      One of the reasons I use my real picture is because it says 'I'm willing to put my face and name by what I write, say, and do'. It reminds me to stay honest, focused on quality, and responsive as I find like-minded people and network, share, help, give, and sometimes get.

      Yeah, there are creepy guys who message me solely on the basis of my looks, but that's no different from real life... I'm betting most girls here have gotten unwanted attention at least once or twice. I might not be a supermodel, but I'm not going to hide what I've got just to stay away from creepy people and stay safe, sheltered and anonymous.
      Zabrina, wow your picture is attractive. But I won't PM you for false reasons. Just because you have posted your real pic and saying it is real, I trust you. I don't have to go and verify it. The same goes for my pic.

      People who say they don't trust other people's avatars, does they really trust themselves?
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Hmmm...

        Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

        ...Just because you have posted your real pic and saying it is real, I trust you. I don't have to go and verify it. The same goes for my pic.

        People who say they don't trust other people's avatars, does they really trust themselves?
        Tamal, different people have different levels of trust. Apparently, your level of trust is seeing what you believe to be a person's real life photograph and not a Avatar. OK, gotcha!!!!

        My level of trust for me to trust you is this, I'm going to need to see some verification that the pic you posted of yourself in the WF is actually you. And sorry YouTube videos won't do...

        For starters, I'll need to see your:
        • Driver's License
        • Passport
        • 2 Paycheck stubs
        • A second picture ID
        • Your bank statement
        • Your fingerprints
        • Your birth certificate (Certified of course!)
        • Two utility bills in your name
        • A third picture ID
        • A credit card
        • A debit card
        Plus, I don't see your PIC on your website and being that it is not there, I'm going to need to see a forth picture ID. Remember your words?

        Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

        If you are new on the internet, don't hide behind a mystery avatar or a username.
        You are new to the WF and until you provide the aforementioned documents, you will still be a mystery to me. By providing that information, I can feel safe that you are who you say you are.

        So when can I expect those documents? And there is a time limit on this.

        Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

        Show your real self and share the world who you are and what you got.
        Ok, Tamal, show your REAL self!!!

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        • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
          Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

          Hmmm...



          Tamal, different people have different levels of trust. Apparently, your level of trust is seeing what you believe to be a person's real life photograph and not a Avatar. OK, gotcha!!!!

          My level of trust for me to trust you is this, I'm going to need to see some verification that the pic you posted of yourself in the WF is actually you. And sorry YouTube videos won't do...

          For starters, I'll need to see your:
          • Driver's License
          • Passport
          • 2 Paycheck stubs
          • A second picture ID
          • Your bank statement
          • Your fingerprints
          • Your birth certificate (Certified of course!)
          • Two utility bills in your name
          • A third picture ID
          • A credit card
          • A debit card
          Plus, I don't see your PIC on your website and being that it is not there, I'm going to need to see a forth picture ID. Remember your words?



          You are new to the WF and until you provide the aforementioned documents, you will still be a mystery to me. By providing that information, I can feel safe that you are who you say you are.

          So when can I expect those documents? And there is a time limit on this.



          Ok, Tamal, show your REAL self!!!

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          Hi Commander Chief, how's the flight over there? Can you see my house up from the sky. LOL ..jokes apart.

          Well pal seriously do you need all that documents just to exchange messages with me, or tweet, comment, PM etc? Do you do this with everyone you meet? I am saying I have shown my real face and I would like to see your own face.

          Since you are posting on this thread I have build a personality for you on my mind based on your replies. Next time when I will think about you, the guy in your avatar will come in my mind.

          So you see we are humans who is reading, interacting and commenting. We get happy when some one agrees and get angry when someone disagrees with us. So why not put a real face aside to that real mood?

          Yes this is how my trust works. And what I believe, I think everybody else is like me, but I'm wrong.

          So many people who have done business with me, never talked/video chat with me on the first time. They have been the best customers, because I feel they are like me, they trusted me.

          People who have talked with me on skype, video chat, email and verify me for days didn't end up working with me ever. I see the world is filled with so many people with so many different beliefs. MERRY CHRISTMAS
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

            Yes this is how my trust works. And what I believe, I think everybody else is like me, but I'm wrong.
            The thing is ... I don't trust or distrust people based on what they look like and I don't really care if someone who makes judgements based on superficial criteria such as how someone looks trusts me or not.

            I judge that as superficial and has nothing to do with a person's character or business ethics.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
        Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

        Zabrina, wow your picture is attractive. But I won't PM you for false reasons. Just because you have posted your real pic and saying it is real, I trust you. I don't have to go and verify it. The same goes for my pic.

        People who say they don't trust other people's avatars, does they really trust themselves?
        Thank you.

        I don't believe it's an issue of trusting oneself. To me, it's about having faith in people to do the right thing most of the time when the opportunity presents itself. I choose to have that faith in people, though some think it makes me naive or vulnerable. It sometimes does, and I've suffered the consequences before, but I've also had amazing things happen in my life because I chose to have faith in people's honesty and innate good.

        That's why I tend to believe most pictures that are posted. It's too much hassle to sort out who I believe is telling the truth and who isn't and track down evidence, etc, etc. If a face is there, it's associated with their "brand" in my mind.

        Edited: I agree with Crew Chief that the decision is a personal choice. I gave my reasoning last page for why I think it's a good idea to use your picture, unless you build a company that's a household name.

        Most of the examples he posted are of businesses, not people. If you're a person selling a product, people will probably want to know who you are. If you're a business selling a product, there's more leeway.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          This really is a picture of me, though, as we're on about trust here, I think it's important that people realise that I created the picture...I'm not really an art gallery/museum exhibit.

          Just in case people had an issue with that. :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            This really is a picture of me, though, as we're on about trust here, I think it's important that people realise that I created the picture...I'm not really an art gallery/museum exhibit.

            Just in case people had an issue with that. :rolleyes:
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by oneplusone View Post

              You look like a rockstar in those shades
              Why thank you sir! I believe that's why I was in the museum.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        wow your picture is attractive
        So it's not "real" or "fake" - but "attractive" or "unattractive" that is important? Seems a rather shallow criteria to use as a "trust meter".

        I was looking through family photos recently. I look great in one photo where I'm smiling at the camera - and look grubby in another photo in old jeans where I was digging a hole in the garden.

        Would the "pretty me" photo add more credibility than my "active" photo? Guess we'll never know

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    K done... now I shall wait for PMs from all the ladies to come in ; )
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      Originally Posted by Tony W View Post

      K done... now I shall wait for PMs from all the ladies to come in ; )
      Here are four hot PMs! You were talking about Prime Ministers when you said PMs, right? There in!!! Hahahaha..




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        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        Here are four hot PMs! You were talking about Prime Ministers when you said PMs, right? There in!!! Hahahaha..




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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Martin
    Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

    If you are new on the internet, don't hide behind a mystery avatar or a username. Show your real self and share the world who you are and what you got.
    Indeed that is a lofty goal - unfortunately, some of us were horribly disfigured at birth (or maybe shortly thereafter) and the 'real self' would be repulsive and dissuade any thoughts of 'buy it now'.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hi,

    Without getting into the religious orgins of avatars the web defination is

    "An avatar is a computer user's representation of himself/herself or alter ego, whether in the form of a three-dimensional model used in computer games, a two-dimensional icon (picture) or a one-dimensional username used on Internet forums and other communities,"

    So if you are using your real picture it is a fake avatar.

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    • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
      Originally Posted by Joe.Mc View Post

      Hey OP

      How do we know that is you in your avatar? Perhaps you should post a picture of yourself holding a spoon and a piece of paper with your username so we know you aren't frauding as someone else!

      If I was trying to use the people on this forum to make money then I would rather give them facts and proof of what I am able to do, in reality a few pixels in the left hand corner of the screen means nothing.

      Joe (if that is my real name)
      LOL, that's what I see in some dating sites, posting pic with their username just to prove I AM REAL. The answer is in the OP, if search me online you should see me moving. But this is the face I have branded myself online.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChiTownRoc
    I recall being in Mary Kay years ago and being in a class. They were talking about business cards and brought out stats that said people who had their pictures on cards out performed their counterparts like 3 to 1. This not only included beauty professionals, but across the board. Realtors did especially well here.

    Online, your avatar is kinda like a business card. It says: here I am! So what do you want to communicate with that?

    Perhaps years ago you didn't need a picture while you are online but with more and more people using video (moving pictures) why not show us that great smile of yours?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Originally Posted by ChiTownRoc View Post

      I recall being in Mary Kay years ago and being in a class. They were talking about business cards and brought out stats that said people who had their pictures on cards out performed their counterparts like 3 to 1. This not only included beauty professionals, but across the board. Realtors did especially well here.

      Online, your avatar is kinda like a business card. It says: here I am! So what do you want to communicate with that?

      Perhaps years ago you didn't need a picture while you are online but with more and more people using video (moving pictures) why not show us that great smile of yours?

      Mary Kay is a great markeing organization and they do their best marketing on the people who have already bought into their program. YOu had no way of checking their stats and ruling out the possibility that the people with the pictures on their cards did better just becasue someone said they would do better.

      An avatar online is not like a business card. The best contacts made with business cards are made when you hand someone your card. If you have your face on your card, look at them when you are handing them your card by looking into their eyes long enough so that you will remember the color of their eyes, they will remember your face and put it together with the face on your card.

      But you do not do that with an avatar on a forum. Or an avatar anywhere online. All there is, is a story you are telling about yourself. You can use your face as your avatar or not, but your real story is in what you write on a forum and how you write it.
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

        Mary Kay is a great markeing organization and they do their best marketing on the people who have already bought into their program. YOu had no way of checking their stats and ruling out the possibility that the people with the pictures on their cards did better just becasue someone said they would do better.

        An avatar online is not like a business card. The best contacts made with business cards are made when you hand someone your card. If you have your face on your card, look at them when you are handing them your card by looking into their eyes long enough so that you will remember the color of their eyes, they will remember your face and put it together with the face on your card.

        But you do not do that with an avatar on a forum. Or an avatar anywhere online. All there is, is a story you are telling about yourself. You can use your face as your avatar or not, but your real story is in what you write on a forum and how you write it.
        So how do you explain the millions of sales page that include a photo on them of the marketer?

        I think it's a personal choice.

        You can argue the other way. I know I am less trusting of forumites who refuse to post their location and pic.

        It automatically raises red flags for me. Especially if they're new and are already posting testimonials for people's products. But that's just me... bored and paranoid.
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        • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
          Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

          So how do you explain the millions of sales page that include a photo on them of the marketer?

          I think it's a personal choice.

          You can argue the other way. I know I am less trusting of forumites who refuse to post their location and pic.

          It automatically raises red flags for me. Especially if they're new and are already posting testimonials for people's products. But that's just me... bored and paranoid.
          Wow - millions of sales pages with photos of the marketer on them?
          Can you send me the urls of all those that you visited and what steps you took to verify that the photos were of a real person and not used to lend credence to an online alias.

          I've been online for years and I doubt I've seen anywhere near a million sales pages.

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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

            Hi Commander Chief, how's the flight over there? Can you see my house up from the sky. LOL ..jokes apart.
            Tamal, I'm not going to be able to stop joking on this one... hahahaha...

            [ROTLMAO]

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            Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

            Well pal seriously do you need all that documents just to exchange messages with me, or tweet, comment, PM etc?
            Absolutely! As I stated previously, everyone's level of trust is different. You need to see WF member's real picture in order to trust them, right?

            OK, I've showed you what I need to be able to trust you.

            What's the difference???

            And since your time has expired to provide the stated documents, I'm now going to need to see another photo ID, plus I'll need confirmation of who you are from at least three family members who do not live in the same residence as you.

            Just a quick note, if you don't get that the next set of confirmations of identity in to me within the allotted time frame, I will need to get a Y chromosome (Y-DNA) test and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) test, a voice analysis test and a polygraph test. That way, I KNOW for a certainty that you are who you say you are.

            You want me to trust you right?

            Show me what you got and I will trust you...

            Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

            Do you do this with everyone you meet?
            Ha! No I don't!

            Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

            I am saying I have shown my real face and I would like to see your own face... Yes this is how my trust works. And what I believe, I think everybody else is like me...
            OK, but first, have you seen any of these faces?
            • The face of the owner of the WF?
            • The face of the moderators of the WF?
            • The face of the owner of 2 Checkout.com (One of your payment processors)
            • The face of the owner of Visa (One of your payment processors)
            • The face of the owner of Mastercard (One of your payment processors)
            • The face of the owner of your domain name registrar
            • The face of the owner of your hosting company
            • The face of the owner of your Internet Service Provider
            • The face of the owner of Paypal
            • The face of the owner of AWeber
            • The face of the owner of BBBOline
            • The face of the owner of McAfee
            You do business with all of those individuals/companies and you have proven that you trust them BUT have you seen "ALL" of their faces? And if you haven't why do you continue to do business with them?

            ANSWER: Because of what Suzanne said, their REPUTATION!

            You don't do business with them because you have seen their faces; you do business with them because of their reputation.

            If you believe your OWN words, then you will immediately cancel "ALL" business relations until you see the face of the person/people you are doing business with, right? If I'm following your logic on this thread, wouldn't that be your next move?

            Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

            I see the world is filled with so many people with so many different beliefs.
            And proof of your statement is the numerous people on the WF, including well respected WF members with stellar reputations who use Avatars and not their real pictures.

            My reasoning for leaving comments in this thread was not to debate. In my mind the issue was a moot point from the get go. Hence, the humor. My only purpose for leaving comments was to help noobs understand this critical point: there is more than one way of doing business online and one man's or woman's business model may not be yours.

            Here is the bottom line;

            You put your picture in your profile, GREAT!

            Willie Crawford put his picture in his profile, GREAT!

            Sabrina put her picture in her profile, GREAT!

            What does that mean?

            It means some people are going to put their real picture in their profiles for various reasons, AND others are going to use Avatars and others are going to leave that space blank!

            The decision is a personal choice that's up to the individual. No noob should feel pressured into putting their real picture in their profile if they choose not to. It will not effect your business one iota when you know what heck you are doing and you develop a reputation for over delivering!

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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    So, is this thread about that movie "Avatar"? Great movie. But did you know it's based on a true story?

    I think once I get to go to that planet and get to control a big blue alien I'll take a picture so you can all see my "real" avatar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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    Due to the fact that I bear a striking resemblance to Chuck Norris, I can't include my face in my avatar, as it couldn't contain the awesomeness of my face.
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  • Profile picture of the author smartdoctor
    Originally Posted by tamalanwar View Post

    Most successful marketers here on WF and outside are showing their own face, real name and real information.

    Take a look at my pic, my name they are real. That's the real me. Go ahead and click on youtube, you will see me talking; click on facebook: real communication.

    If you are new on the internet, don't hide behind a mystery avatar or a username. Show your real self and share the world who you are and what you got.

    In the early days of IM, the very best thing you can market is your own name. And it will help you up to get new leads, trust from the people around you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by smartdoctor View Post

      THIS IS THE PLAIN TRUTH let everyone know this I will to it too
      So your name is Smartdocter and you're the invisible man??
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by smartdoctor View Post

      THIS IS THE PLAIN TRUTH let everyone know this I will to it too
      Don't you see the contradiction here. You have no avatar and you're calling yourself Mr. Smart Doctor.

      My name is Suzanne Bucciarelli, so my user name is a shortened version of my real name and many people here know it. My avatar ... maybe that's me and maybe it's not. What possible difference does it make since most people here who do know me know me by what I post. Whether or not they agree with me or disagree, they can easily get a feel for who I am through my posts. Those are my real opinions and I'm not hiding anything by using an avatar, Mr. Smart Doctor.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Don't you see the contradiction here. You have no avatar and you're calling yourself Mr. Smart Doctor.

        My name is Suzanne Bucciarelli, so my user name is a shortened version of my real name and many people here know it. My avatar ... maybe that's me and maybe it's not. What possible difference does it make since most people here who do know me know me by what I post. Whether or not they agree with me or disagree, they can easily get a feel for who I am through my posts. Those are my real opinions and I'm not hiding anything by using an avatar, Mr. Smart Doctor.
        Sorry Suzanne, I beat you to this one. Its ok though. His name is Smart Doctor and he's invisible.

        What Smart said is quite normal.
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Trust, ethics, moral threads... is that time of the year already?

    Who cares if my creator draw me with short legs and big head? who cares if he named me as a mix of his favorite movie hero/villain? That was his decision, his personal choice... seems to me is too shallow to build trust upon a visual perception.

    I trust based on what people write, do, and think, I learned not to trust on people just because his picture has a white-teeth-smiley face.



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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

      Trust, ethics, moral threads... is that time of the year already?

      Who cares if my creator draw me with short legs and big head? who cares if he named me as a mix of his favorite movie hero/villain? That was his decision, his personal choice... seems to me is too shallow to build trust upon a visual perception.

      I trust based on what people write, do, and think, I learned not to trust on people just because his picture has a white-teeth-smiley face.



      but... that's just me

      Yeah .... or this handsome, smiling gentleman that a lot of young women trusted because he's such a good looking fellow.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brea
    What a crock. I'm researching web hosting companies and I have no idea who the names of the owners and I have no idea what they look like. Nor will they influence my decision. I buy stuff all the time on the internet without seeing an actual face or name.

    Branding is important, but doesn't need to be tied to an individual name or picture. There are personal security reasons why you wouldn't want to share personal details. And no, I'm not engaging in anything nefarious. But there are some real sickos out there. My full name is unique enough that you can find out my exact address through an online search (even though I'm not listed--not sure how it happened)

    I guess it's much easier for a man to share is identity than a woman....I'm just saying. Don't judge me for my anonymity.
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    Yeah .... or this handsome, smiling gentleman that a lot of young women trusted because he's such a good looking fellow.
    Is that Ramirez? Too lazy to look it up.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Is that Ramirez? Too lazy to look it up.
      No .. Ted Bunday. Highly intelligent, well spoken, well dressed. A famous crime writer had a job with him and sat beside him for years, never suspecting he was a serial killer.
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  • Profile picture of the author lesterlim85
    Coincidentally, I just put up my avatar few minutes ago after more than a month of joining WF. I tend to agree that putting up real pictures of yourself or not is really up to individuals. They build their reputations by their contribution here.

    But of course if you are having offline business deals with your clients it is always better to show them how you look like in real life, just to give them better sense of security.

    My 2 cents.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Since reading this thread recently, I've paid more attention to avatars. My advice is be very cautious about forming opinions based on avatars.

      I've found quite a few this week where the pretty avatar picture has nothing to do with the person who is using it - but has been taken from another site or photo gallery online. By far the favorite is to use a photo from college online yearbooks.

      So far, have to admit I've seen no one posting a photo of a professor - only seem use pix of young, pretty girls. What a shock.:p I expect it would be a shock to the real person to see their photo used this way, too.

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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Since reading this thread recently, I've paid more attention to avatars. My advice is be very cautious about forming opinions based on avatars.

        I've found quite a few this week where the pretty avatar picture has nothing to do with the person who is using it - but has been taken from another site or photo gallery online. By far the favorite is to use a photo from college online yearbooks.

        So far, have to admit I've seen no one posting a photo of a professor - only seem use pix of young, pretty girls. What a shock.:p I expect it would be a shock to the real person to see their photo used this way, too.

        kay

        Hear hear.

        I saw one lady here, who looked quite attractive.

        On her home page were one or two comments from men saying "oooh your hot" or "your cute" (unknown to me previously, that's apparently how some woman fall in love on forums :confused?):confused: ...there are some sad men in here) Anyway, now the avatars changed and it looks like some kind of male model.

        Point is, this person obviously isn't both and those chaps that did make the lewd comments must be feeling rather sheepish now when a newbie goes to that home page and there's a warrior saying to this male avatar "Ooooh your hot"
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Richard -

          Interesting that when I posted in a thread asking why a photo of a Canadian blond female student was the avatar for a guy from India - my post was deleted.

          Sometimes threads with such avatars are entertaining - some people are dopes (or seriously need a date).:p
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          • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Interesting that when I posted in a thread asking why a photo of a Canadian blond female student was the avatar for a guy from India - my post was deleted.
            LOL, I know exactly which avatar you're talking about. It's as if they think other people have short memories.
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  • Profile picture of the author karlarcher
    I,ll have to put my pic up. I have to agree that being a newbie i think it will help my cause.

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  • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
    Hi WF friends, I started this thread 2-3 days before Christmas, I closed this one by thanking "Crew Chief" on one of the eye opener post he wrote about trusting people/biz on their reputation. Wonder the thread still popped up with replies!

    Now I also thought about this thing. Whether to use your real pic+name or an avatar+penname of something else (picture/logo)

    When I started in IM, I took the path of using my own pic. This lead me to these things,

    #1 Build the reputation as a blogger, freelancer and IM'er
    #2 Build human friends through the net, they contact me even if there is no work
    #3 Make my self a personal brand etc.

    If I were to create myself a mystery man, then I would definitely have the name as a blogger but people would less likely to hire me as a freelance designer. Less people would connect with me as a friend, because at first I have decided to stay behind.

    But if you are a mystery avatar, then the plus point is you can do your IM biz, create niche site anonymously and no one will be able to follow your tracks.

    If I were a mystery man, I would be google-able for only that name/series of avatars and people would hardly find that person -me!

    Some people have said they trust the score and post count here at WF, I agree. But a newbie on WF who has less post count could be a big name in the IM field. What do you think about this?

    My final thoughts on this will be, use your real name and picture. And if you don't want to do it, then don't -it's up to you to decide.

    So far, have to admit I've seen no one posting a photo of a professor - only seem use pix of young, pretty girls. What a shock.:p I expect it would be a shock to the real person to see their photo used this way, too.
    Kay, I have seen this on facebook, they steal pictures of other beautiful girls. So now I advice my friends to keep the photo restricted only to their friends(who you trust)
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  • Profile picture of the author rashlan1982
    Just uploaded my picture..I think it will help me branding my marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author Hank Scott
    Any comments about using a current picture for someone (like myself) who's been around a while, compared with, say, one of myself in those long past glory days of my youth?
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Hank Scott View Post

      Any comments about using a current picture for someone (like myself) who's been around a while, compared with, say, one of myself in those long past glory days of my youth?
      There are an awful lot of people in this world who do not trust the leering faces of snot-nosed children claiming to know the secrets of online business.

      People like you and I are far more likely to have paid our dues in the Real World and learned through the sweat of our brows what really does and doesn't work.

      Not that there aren't some damned smart youngsters out there, but there are a lot of little whippersnappers talking about how to do things they've never done and go places they've never been.
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  • Profile picture of the author luckyshah290
    Yeah >..........

    I Absolutely Agree With You ..........

    I mean We all Are Here To do Business In a 100% Legal Way....

    Not To Scam other.

    Thanks For Sharing Your Experience
    it was helpful

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  • Profile picture of the author plastic
    I think I will add my pic, after I get decent pic of mine...thanks anyway for the tips

    *Edit: Just put my pic
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  • Profile picture of the author Just Lookin
    To be honest I don't realy have a firm oppinion either way.

    I don't believe the debate warrants so much time and effort, if you wish to post a real photo, a photo of one of your neighbours because they are better looking, of a sock puppet (cool avatar btw) or your company brand. Does it really matter??

    I have my skype available on my sites so people can talk or pm me anytime, the fact that I choose not to show my photo for whatever reason is surely my choice, does that mean I am untrustworthy, no certainly not.

    Besides and all that said I have tried so many Bl**^$ times to upload or link my avatar with no joy I give up.

    Life's too damn short


    Yes I resized it btw, still no joy

    Have a nice day
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      THAT would be a cute avatar! Love tree frogs.

      I don't believe the debate warrants so much time and effort, if you wish to post a real photo, a photo of one of your neighbours because they are better looking, of a sock puppet (cool avatar btw) or your company brand. Does it really matter??
      Nothing wrong with an avatar that is fun, meant to brand a name or to create trust and credibility. But not good to use a photo without permission or to present yourself as something (or some gender) you aren't. When people stumble on the truth, you're toast.

      As CD mentioned, if your photo looks like you are 12 - you might want to wait a few years to use it.

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      • Profile picture of the author Just Lookin
        Glad you like him Kay - I use him a lot and have got him in may positions

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          Originally Posted by Just Lookin View Post

          I use him a lot and have got him in may positions
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          • Profile picture of the author Just Lookin
            @DogScout - Now that is what we here in the Uk call a proper moose

            @CDarklock - You kill me, more tea Vicar LOL

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    And could also be a problem for Victorian cross-dressing transvestites?





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    That's a good point. People like to do businesses with who they know...
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    • Profile picture of the author polrbearz
      This is a difficult question to answer with a "one size fits all" judgement. It seems to me that the question of the avatar image overlaps related ones about anonymity, pseudonyms and the like. There has been plenty of good discussion about these matters in other WF threads.

      My own experience is a good example. I came to WF primarily to learn, find resources and engage in stimulating discussion. In this respect I have not been disappointed The use of a virtual identity actually makes this process more relaxed and yet intellectually rich. I think that for a pure exchange of ideas--where we don't become trapped by our own preconceptions of people based on their appearance, age, etc. -- this is a good thing. Without the "shortcut" of relating to people in a more familiar way, one is forced to put 100% into the ideas themselves. Several posters in this thread seem to be coming from the same place.

      If we decide to use our Forum presence more for marketing and JV's, will this limit us ? Possibly. But at least for general broadcast marketing, I don't think so. Look at WF'er The Debt Eliminator as an example. I love his avatar The monkey conveys a sense of studious calculation while at the same time being disarming and amusing. This is all completely consistent with the offering in his sig file. I think that's just good branding. Kool Aid has used the smiling pitcher as an avatar for years. You can come up with countless other effective examples yourself. I get it that is a FORUM for people rather than corporations. But--the question of good branding is still ultimately the same.

      Many people are clearly more comfortable with using THEMSELVES as their branding. That's their right---and I respect them for it. This is certainly simpler to maintain over time. Although risks to privacy and harassment are greater. There's a tradeoff. I notice that some of the most vocal people about using real pics and names are---of course--doing so themselves already. Having already put themselves out there, they have a natural desire to bring everyone else "out of the shadows". For them, the ship has already sailed. There is no going back. And I do think people are creative and flexible--you can make the best of whatever course you're already on, whether your start was by accident or design. But some people, having already committed to a course, decide to fully rationalize it and want to feel righteous or superior--making people who are on another path "evil" or at least shady

      In my view, the desire to connect in a more personal way can still express itself in an environment of avatars and usernames. I've only been here a few months and I've already used my name with several folks in PM's. Folks who, for whatever reasons, I've had enough in-depth interaction with to establish my threshold of trust with. So I think you can have the best of both worlds

      P.S. The OP is right about one thing--our minds will create an image of the person we're interacting with. So whether it's an actual pic or a fun avatar, we'd better be sure that we're projecting an image we can live with.
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      • Profile picture of the author TrekkieGrrrl
        Honestly, my choice of an avatar and my username tell far more about me at first glance than just posting my photo and name ever could.

        Not only that, but there are crazies out there that have nothing better to do than to try and show up on your doorstep.

        Plus one of my niches isn't exactly something I want my mom being about to find out is mine. :rolleyes:

        Plus I like to keep my niches to myself. :p

        So thanks for the advice, but I'll stick to my cartoon-y avatar and my awesome username.
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    How do we know that is really a picture of you?
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      There are many, many things to do with making money online, where showing your face doesn't mean two shakes. There ARE other niches you know.

      But in the spirit of the post I have decided to post my real picture.

      As everyone knows, us Labs are, loyal, friendly good with kids...
      Sooo there you go



      If you are in the IM niche, the mmo niche, it probably helps if you do show your picture.

      Some people in the MMo niche should be hiding them.


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      • Profile picture of the author Rhiannon Beckham
        This is something I've been struggling with doing.. I've been working on the outskirts for some time now, niches and what have you, but now I'm branching in to help beginning marketers so I now have to be a personality on the front lines.
        . .Which leads me to this weird apprehensiveness about using my real name.
        I have no problem using my face though.. Which makes no sense! haha

        The name I've been using is easy enough to notice it's not real, Roxanne Stones (Rocks an' Stones) and obvi random user names at forums and such.
        I'm sure I'll talk some sense into my insecurity soon enough and use the real deal..

        It's not like I have anything to hide!
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        • Profile picture of the author polrbearz
          I still can't get over how often the idea of "not having anything to hide" so often seems to come up as sort an ultimate bottom-line conclusion in this discussion. There are so many other reasons why a person would want to remain anonymous. Loss of privacy and identity theft are certainly on this list. And in the case of a woman, especially, there is the issue of stalkers. TrekkieGrrrl makes a good point about how your choice of online identity can say MORE about who you really are than your real name. This could be lumped in with the idea of "branding" if you wanted to reduce it to business terms (although it is really a much richer idea than that for some people---fortunately).

          Tsgeric started a very lively thread on this topic that might interest some. One of his most compelling points was the worry that an employer or potential employers might not approve of something you say or do online. Granted, a lot of us don't have conventional jobs but it does open up the possibility of pressure and judgement from unexpected sources. One of the posters on tsgeric's thread talked about how he used his real name at first for some kind of simple online venture and ended up getting calls from the university (he was a student) complaining that people were calling from all over the world to verify his student status. Needless to say, he has used an alias ever since.

          All of this is just to make my point---that not everyone who feels more comfortable with a "stage name" is doing so because they have something to hide. There can be all sorts of valid reasons.

          Having said that--I've gleaned from other posters on WF that if you want to use your real name, it CAN work. For instance, one guy googled his own name and came up with THOUSANDS of matches. So if you have a fairly common name--you may be able to be "honest" about who you are and still be pretty safe. It will help if you don't also give out too many other clues such as your location that would let people narrow it down too easily. As far as your pic goes---I won't even go into that. There was some pretty scary stuff out there recently about unintended consequences of facial recognition technology.

          I think that being "yourself" or not out there is a very important basic choice. Most of us underestimate its importance, I think. Whichever path you take has advantages and disadvantages. This is greatly influenced by your particular situation and goals, obviously. Whichever path you take automatically has certain consequences that you can plan for. For instance, if you have a fake name, be prepared for awkward moments when you are ready to partner up with someone to do a public launch--cohost a live event---or even make yourself available for press release followups (This is probably the real reason most of the "big" people in IM are quite public---it would just be too much work and too inhibiting to do otherwise). Similarly, if you decide to be "you"---please take care with how much other personal information can be readily linked to your name. I realize that determined people can usually find much of this out--but if you make it a little less convenient, you can weed out at least most of the crazies, etc. And be open to the possibility at least of using pen names when addressing controversial subjects.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    Good point.

    This is my real name and

    . ....this is my real face.

    Now comon - why would I lie with a face like that?

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    Most successful marketers here on WF and outside are showing their own face, real name and real information.

    Take a look at my pic, my name they are real. That's the real me. Go ahead and click on youtube, you will see me talking; click on facebook: real communication.

    If you are new on the internet, don't hide behind a mystery avatar or a username. Show your real self and share the world who you are and what you got.

    In the early days of IM, the very best thing you can market is your own name. And it will help you up to get new leads, trust from the people around you.
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