Making A CASE For "right" ARTICLE SPINNING - There's No Evil In The Atom... Only Men's Souls

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I just responded to a thread about article spinning
where, as usual, many seem to enjoy rubbishing the
entire concept of article spinning because of those
who are doing it wrongly. I am starting a new thread
to say a little more, than I said in that particular
thread, and to encourage those who are actually
doing article spinning RIGHT to speak up.

Let's make a case for RIGHT article spinning and
show how we actually use it RIGHT to produce
results
. I know I do,

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I have always tried to stay away from the threads about the
seeming evils of article spinning, because obviously the more
people talk about the "evils", the less they do article spinning,
and the MORE those who do it right, like me, make a killing,

But perhaps I shouldn't today. So, here goes...

First - yes, I sell spin ready articles and I own an article
distribution service, but these are not the reasons why I
am posting this. I am posting this to clear some common
misconceptions people have about article spinning.

Article spinning is not evil, as most of us think. It's simply
a way to get the best from article marketing. In a way, it is
simply leveraging your articles to get more results than the
norm. It's no different from any other system or tools of
leverage.

The only problem? People using the system wrongly to
produce junk and rubbish spun articles. It's just as good as
saying a kitchen knife in the hands of a good cook can
be put to "good" use while that same kitchen knife in the
hands of a serial killer can wreak havoc on lives...

... same knife, different users, different results!

Reminds me of a popular statement/quote, which goes...

There is no evil in the atom; only in men's souls. ~Adlai Stevenson

And note, article spinning doesn't have to always mean
using some article spinning software. I have personally
written/rewritten THOUSANDS of 100% manually-done
spin ready (spinnable) articles without using any article
spinning software.
Yes, my University degree in
Communication and love/passion for writing helped here,
but it's easy to do because I now have lots of writers
who I have trained and they do it very easily now.

So, yes, article spinning is not just about using software to
spin rubbish articles.

Some Right Ways Of Doing Article Spinning

Yes, there are right ways. Simply writing an article from
scratch and rewriting the various sentences multiple times and
putting them all together
can produce dozens or even
hundreds of reasonably unique versions. Also writing and
rewriting many multiples of "stand-alone" paragraphs on
a particular topic/niche and expertly putting them all together
can produce very powerfully done hundreds of unique
versions
(this is one of the main ways I do article spinning,
by the way and it's very effective and produce articles
so good that they ARE accepted by EzineArticles all the time, )

Article spinning, when done right, is no different from
writing 100 articles. The only difference is that you make
BETTER USE of the 100 articles and turn them into 1,000
articles instead...

... same time spent in writing 100 articles... but 10 times result!

For those who think article spinning is the answer for their
being lazy, it's really NOT. It's actually MORE DIFFICULT
to prepare 100 very well done spin ready articles than it
is to write 500 articles from scratch
. I know, I have done it
more times than I can count.

NOTE OR WARNING to those who use article spinning wrongly...
you will get MORE results if you actually spend time to do
things right. Instead of just loading an article into an
article spinner and hitting the "automatic synonym replacement"
button, take about an hour or more to rewrite the sentences
multiple times or use the "stand-alone" paragraph system I
have mentioned above, and you will end up with hundreds
of unique versions that YOU and the article directory
owners will be proud of.

I can go on and on (perhaps I should, in a special article
spinning report, ) but I have to stop here.

And by the way, even as an article spinner myself, I have
suffered untold hardship in the hands of those who use
article spinning wrongly. My ArticlesCRUSH.com membership
site had to CLOSE ITS DOORS to new and even existing
customers because many members simply spend most of
their time inundating us with badly spun articles, obviously
from using the many "push-button" article spinners out
there. What we now do at ArticlesCRUSH is to do the
spinning for the members ourselves and submit it to the
article directories on their behalf - until they learn to do
it right, on their own... if they ever, that is.

And yes, I am an article directory owner too, in fact I
am HUNDREDS of article directories owner. Yep, I got
HUNDREDS of article directories since 2008 that I
cherish greatly.
The primary focus of my ArticlesCRUSH
article distribution service was to submit member's articles
to these hundreds of article directories that I own, but
later I added thousands more, owned by other people, to
give the members more leverage.

And finally, for those who think I started this thread to sell
membership to my ArticlesCRUSH article distribution service,
it's important to say here that we have closed the doors
and not accepting members
, no thanks to the junk
synonym replacement article spinners out there!

So, there goes... my HELPFUL rant,

I hope this helps,

For the many out there who use article spinning RIGHT,
please share your experience/techniques/etc, to show how
article spinning can indeed be done right and how/why it's
not evil, as most people think!

Kingsley
#article #atom #case #evil #hearts #making #men #spinning
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

    as usual, many seem to enjoy rubbishing the
    entire concept of article spinning because of those who are doing it wrongly.
    My main problem with spinning isn't actually with those who are doing it wrongly in the sense you describe, at all; it's with those who are doing it for the wrong reasons, i.e. for perceived benefits they could equally easily get without spinning.

    I agree with your points about quality, though, which I appreciate from having done some spinning myself a couple of years ago. Thanks, Kingsley.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      My main problem with spinning isn't actually with those who are doing it wrongly in the sense you describe, at all; it's with those who are doing it for the wrong reasons, i.e. for perceived benefits they could equally easily get without spinning.

      I agree with your points about quality, though, which I appreciate from having done some spinning myself a couple of years ago. Thanks, Kingsley.
      Thanks to you too, Alexa. I am happy someone like you
      who... "writes many things that snap, crackle and pop"
      found my post helpful,

      I enjoy reading your posts, by the way, even though I
      rarely respond. But today is one of those days I just feel
      I gotta say something. And the problem with me is that
      when I start writing... I find it hard to stop. I guess
      writing a complete novel in my teens is to blame ,

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  • Profile picture of the author wtatlas
    Hello,

    An excellent post that defends the rights of article spinners admirably! I used to make a reasonable amount of money from article spinning via jobs I bid for and won on elance.com. The problem with that is few people are willing to pay a reasonable fee for article spinning. They assume that article spinning is all about using software and that it's easy. The articles that I spun were all done by hand and it does take a lot of time to do it correctly and I could never make enough to make it worthwhile.

    I was interested in your mention of writing "stand-alone" paragraphs to make a sort of "mix and match" article. I have never thought of doing this and I wondered if you had a couple of examples of these that you would be willing to share?

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by wtatlas View Post

      Hello,

      An excellent post that defends the rights of article spinners admirably! I used to make a reasonable amount of money from article spinning via jobs I bid for and won on elance.com. The problem with that is few people are willing to pay a reasonable fee for article spinning. They assume that article spinning is all about using software and that it's easy. The articles that I spun were all done by hand and it does take a lot of time to do it correctly and I could never make enough to make it worthwhile.
      Exactly correct. That's why those who are unwilling to either
      pay good money for "rightly" spun articles or unwilling to put in
      the time to really "rightly" spin their articles shouldn't be spinning
      articles. It's people like them that give article spinning a bad
      name.

      Originally Posted by wtatlas View Post

      I was interested in your mention of writing "stand-alone" paragraphs to make a sort of "mix and match" article. I have never thought of doing this and I wondered if you had a couple of examples of these that you would be willing to share?

      Thanks.
      This is actually a SECRET technique I created and used for
      YEARS to produce MANY THOUSANDS of 100% readable and
      reasonably unique articles. Yes, I kept it a secret for years,
      but not anymore. You can see live examples of these articles
      from the 365 that I am offering for 2011,

      If you would rather I say some more about HOW, here goes...

      Write/rewrite as many "stand-alone" paragraphs on any topic,
      niche, etc, then put them together {in|this|format}. And
      that's it. But of course, the devil is in the details,

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  • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
    Thank you, warriorkay, for some refreshingly common sense on this topic.

    It cracks me up when people say "all article spinners are bad, and produce garbage.... blah blah blah".

    They might as well say "all word processors are bad, and produce garbage...".

    Truth is - they are both just tools. Used correctly, they both can produce excellent results. Used poorly, and of course you're going to get garbage.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

      Thank you, warriorkay, for some refreshingly common sense on this topic.

      It cracks me up when people say "all article spinners are bad, and produce garbage.... blah blah blah".

      They might as well say "all word processors are bad, and produce garbage...".

      Truth is - they are both just tools. Used correctly, they both can produce excellent results. Used poorly, and of course you're going to get garbage.
      Well said. Those of us who do it right can decide to
      keep quiet forever and keep "smiling to the bank" with
      the benefits from doing it right, or we can share
      how we really do it right.

      I am now seriously considering writing a comprehensive
      report on how to do article spinning right, and perhaps
      give it away for free. Who knows, I just might!

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      • Profile picture of the author Hackbridge
        Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

        I am now seriously considering writing a comprehensive
        report on how to do article spinning right, and perhaps
        give it away for free. Who knows, I just might!

        Kingsley
        When you do please let us know

        Brian
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        • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
          Originally Posted by Hackbridge View Post

          When you do please let us know

          Brian
          Sure, I will. I love to write so I certainly will do this!

          And, I just answered your PM questions. Glad that this
          thread helped you improve your article spinning,

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          Originally Posted by Hackbridge View Post

          When you do please let us know

          Brian
          And if there are specific things you want to learn,
          PM me, so I can think about including them in the
          report.

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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by Janice Sperry View Post

            I wish people would differentiate what they are talking about when they use the two different terms "spinning" and "re-writing". Right or wrong this is how my mind interprets using a "spinner" versus "re-writing":

            If someone tells me they "spin" an article I picture the nonsense that comes out of the software versions with no human editing. Submitted to directories "as is".
            I really think this is what most people think of when they here "article spinner", and that's why there is so much heat in the subject. If you've ever run an article directory or a site that aggregates content, and had to wade through the slop submitted as "original" articles, you might pick up the same low opinion of spun articles. Passing Copyscape does not make an article "original" just not a duplicate of something the Copyscape site compares it to.

            Originally Posted by Janice Sperry View Post

            If someone tells me they are re-writing an article I picture something completely different. I imagine someone using an article as a basis for research and a foundation for what they want to write. They take time to reword sentences, move paragraphs around, maybe even tweak the thrust of the content. They make the article their own, original. They don't even need to run the new article through CopyScape but they do anyway just to make sure they are not copyright infringing in any way.

            Peace to all!
            Actually, when I hear re-writing, I picture someone grabbing an article from a directory and going through it line by line, changing a few words in order to pass it off as unique in something like Copyscape. No research, no time, no thought. More like the IP version of a chop shop.

            The process is fine if you own the original work. If not, it's still stealing intellectual property, even if some mechanical comparison site tells you that it's xx% unique.

            And I'd much rather see someone take Warriorkay's approach than that kind of lazy re-writing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    I think the one thing you are pointing out which is very critical, and hopefully not overlooked by anyone, is the old saying "Garbage In, Garbage Out" is multiplied dramatically with article spinning.

    If the people reading your post actually follow your suggested method of spinning, and take the time to create great content which will make sense with sentence replacement, and your paragraph technique, are going to have good success. Those people who ignore those important tips are going to create mountains of garbage which no one will finish reading to make it to the important point of CLICK.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

      I think the one thing you are pointing out which is very critical, and hopefully not overlooked by anyone, is the old saying "Garbage In, Garbage Out" is multiplied dramatically with article spinning.

      If the people reading your post actually follow your suggested method of spinning, and take the time to create great content which will make sense with sentence replacement, and your paragraph technique, are going to have good success. Those people who ignore those important tips are going to create mountains of garbage which no one will finish reading to make it to the important point of CLICK.
      Very well said,

      The truth, whether they want to accept it or not,
      is that they WILL actually get better results with
      "right" article spinning, than junk article spinning.

      Of course we are not trying to be saints to advocate
      right article spinning (I, like many, also used such
      crazy automated synonym replacements in the beginning)
      but with the poor results achieved, and the bad taste
      it leaves in everyone's mouth (especially the poor
      article directories bombarded with these junk spun
      articles), it's nothing but BAD KARMA!

      Whether with articles or anything else...

      Put good stuff out there, to get good stuff back!

      It's UNIVERSAL LAW... and it's true!

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      • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
        I've never done article spinning. The only problems I have are:

        a) those who spin someone else's articles and pass them off as their own (and I realise that ISN'T what you are talking about here - but others here admit to doing it). As I've said before, I hate lazy, thieving toe-rags who can't be arsed to write their own stuff.

        If you've written the original (or purchased PLR) - go ahead and spin to your heart's content.

        b) Why? I guess spinning takes time. What do you gain from it? That's a genuine question, as I truly don't understand WHY people spin in the first place.
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        • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
          Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

          I've never done article spinning. The only problems I have are:

          a) those who spin someone else's articles and pass them off as their own (and I realise that ISN'T what you are talking about here - but others here admit to doing it). As I've said before, I hate lazy, thieving toe-rags who can't be arsed to write their own stuff.
          That's ABSOLUTELY wrong and the truth is that it's bad
          karma and will surely come back to bite their behind... someday!
          I was shocked to watch a video one time where the supposed
          "teacher" was advocating this, absentmindedly, of course...

          "to get some seed article, just go to an article directory and
          copy one of the articles you find there, then spin it".

          Crazy and absolutely wrong, but they do it. So, those who
          continue to advocate this or who continue to do this should
          just know that what goes around comes around,


          Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

          If you've written the original (or purchased PLR) - go ahead and spin to your heart's content.

          b) Why? I guess spinning takes time. What do you gain from it? That's a genuine question, as I truly don't understand WHY people spin in the first place.
          "Right" article spinning can turn 100 spin ready articles
          into 300, 3,000 or even 30,000 versions So, instead of
          using 100 articles which can give you 200 backlinks when
          submitted to the article directories, you end up with about
          600, 6,000 or even 60,000 backlinks.
          Admittedly, most of
          these will not stick in the search engines, but MANY will...
          way more than the 200 backlinks from 100 articles !

          So, there goes WHY people like me spin in the first place,

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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    The intent behind the act makes the act.

    It's easy to spot the difference between "evil" and good article spinners. Check out the quality of the word. Take the time to do it the right way as you note to deliver a quality product.

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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      The intent behind the act makes the act.

      It's easy to spot the difference between "evil" and good article spinners. Check out the quality of the word. Take the time to do it the right way as you note to deliver a quality product.

      RB
      Well said,

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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        My problem has never been with spinning articles or article spinners. My problem has been with the crap output lazy/incompetent users put out, and the pure volume software allows them to achieve.

        By your definition, I guess I've been doing a version of manual spinning for years. Write ten related paragraphs and compile them into 4 paragraph articles, and you have over 200 unique combinations.

        As for using spinners, I've long said that if I can't tell, I don't care...
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        • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          By your definition, I guess I've been doing a version of manual spinning for years. Write ten related paragraphs and compile them into 4 paragraph articles, and you have over 200 unique combinations.
          Agree, some have misconceptions about the word, "spinning" as writers have been taught to recycle their own content since...I don't know when....way, way, way back....i.e. it's not a new concept, just a new "spin" to the tune of "recycling," in a word

          When using automated tools for this, though, some human intervention is needed, at least for most of the spinning tools I've run across (as others mention above). And for many a writer, this is just not worth the time and effort. For some, maybe, sure. There are always exceptions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lauryn
    Thanks for the post.

    I've never tried to spin actually. I've done a lot of manual re-writes by hand. However, I agree with those who feel poorly spun articles are bringing the craft of article spinning down. I love and prefer quality, so it would be preferable that those who did spin, took the time to do it right.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by Lauryn View Post

      Thanks for the post.

      I've never tried to spin actually. I've done a lot of manual re-writes by hand. However, I agree with those who feel poorly spun articles are bringing the craft of article spinning down. I love and prefer quality, so it would be preferable that those who did spin, took the time to do it right.
      Manual re-writes by hand, my dear, is the MOST important
      part of "right" article spinning
      . The next thing is to learn how
      to put the "rewritten" parts together to be spun with a good
      article spinning software to produce hundreds of reasonably
      unique versions,

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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Rodman
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    I started spinning/submitting different versions back in 2005. Around 2007, it become REALLY big and tons of spinners hit the market. Back then I tried to convince people there was good and bad spinning. Good=Spinning phrases and extending the article's reach. Bad=Rubbish.

    Now, I don't bother defending either one. Because in my view, good or bad spinning, it's all pretty much worthless. I think the way the web has evolved, it's in your best interest to avoid getting mass links and instead just try to get better links on real websites...and the only way you do that is by writing good content.

    Yeah, I know the argument is that you can outsource the whole thing so it doesn't take any time. But seriously, I think that any money spent on submitting is a total waste. Just my view.
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    This is a great thread :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

      This is a great thread :-)
      Thanks... Perhaps you want to share some of your
      "secrets" to "right" article spinning? As I can see from
      your signature file, you obviously do article spinning...
      the right way or the wrong way? We can all do with some
      learning, so please bring it on,

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      • Profile picture of the author theemperor
        Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

        Thanks... Perhaps you want to share some of your
        "secrets" to "right" article spinning? As I can see from
        your signature file, you obviously do article spinning...
        the right way or the wrong way? We can all do with some
        learning, so please bring it on,

        Kingsley
        Thanks. Well I agree that it is better to produce good quality articles than auto-spun junk. So the right way is to spend time making sure the spins are of good quality. There are a few uses for an article spinner:

        You could create spin-ready plr and sell it. Because multiple people will buy it it increases it's total 'life' value. There are many WSO's based on spin-ready content that can be used this way.

        Another use it to submit the same article (but spun) to the same directory under the same username. This has the advantage of more backlinks, further syndication than is possible without spinning.

        Another use is as a simple rewrite tool - no spinning just coming up with more imaginative synonyms for boring words. Like pixilated instead of drunk for example.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

          Another use it to submit the same article (but spun) to the same directory under the same username. This has the advantage of more backlinks, further syndication than is possible without spinning.
          Can you show us a few spun articles that have subsequently been syndicated, please, Martin? Or are we talking purely in theory, here?
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          • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Can you show us a few spun articles that have subsequently been syndicated, please, Martin? Or are we talking purely in theory, here?
            Ha ha ha, that's Alexa Smith for ya,

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          • Profile picture of the author theemperor
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Can you show us a few spun articles that have subsequently been syndicated, please, Martin? Or are we talking purely in theory, here?
            I can show you one. I did it once as a test, but not followed up in bulk because I've had other things to test and do.

            I'll PM it to Alexa and she can verify. Don't want to link it here. Some ant-spin person might mark it as spam on EZA

            Edit: if people think "oh you got lucky you snuck one in" I am prepared to do a challenge in 2011 to get 10 articles spun 10 times and submitted - or something to that effect. I may succeed or I may fail but it will be fun finding out.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              I'm just confirming that my friend Martin has kindly sent me links privately to two articles both published in the same directory under the same username. He did a little manual editing after the spin, but all-in-all one is a mostly spun version of the other. Thanks - I acknowledge this.

              I didn't express myself too clearly: what I was really asking was whether there's an example of a spun article that's been syndicated by others to their websites (this, for me, is the value of syndication, and is what I'm using article directories for, after all - and is what they exist for, to be fair!).

              "Submission" is not "syndication".

              However, I do accept that you could spin one of your own articles (and maybe manually edit it a little bit) and get it in a directory in which you already have the original version of the article. For myself, the time it takes to spin stuff well enough to do that (and I have tried it myself, albeit a couple of years ago when maybe the spinning software wasn't so good) isn't time well spent; and of course one can also question the value of filling the web with repeated information, though this consideration obviously applies similarly to syndicated articles, too!).

              In short I accept, even without seeing evidence of it, that it's possible for a spun article to be syndicated by someone else from a directory to their website, but I believe that it takes a lot of spinning and some manual editing to achieve that and for myself I'd rather write another article or just paint my nails with that time, so there.

              Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

              I am prepared to do a challenge in 2011 to get 10 articles spun 10 times and submitted - or something to that effect. I may succeed or I may fail but it will be fun finding out.
              Nobody's questioning whether you can get them submitted. I'm challenging you to do it and get them syndicated by others (and ideally, to benefit from it, get traffic and income from their syndication of the spun article, as I do with my unspun ones). That would keep you busy, and I wish you a happy, prosperous and successful 2011, too.
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            • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
              Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

              I can show you one. I did it once as a test, but not followed up in bulk because I've had other things to test and do.

              I'll PM it to Alexa and she can verify. Don't want to link it here. Some ant-spin person might mark it as spam on EZA

              Edit: if people think "oh you got lucky you snuck one in" I am prepared to do a challenge in 2011 to get 10 articles spun 10 times and submitted - or something to that effect. I may succeed or I may fail but it will be fun finding out.
              Good on you. I don't think you need to prove anything
              to anyone, but to yourself. If the challenge will help you,
              why not,

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    Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

    Reminds me of a popular statement/quote, which goes...

    There is no evil in the atom; only in men's souls. ~Adlai Stevenson

    Reminds me of what I read about the Jewish faith...
    Note: The only thing I really know about the Jewish faith is what I have read in books, so forgive me if I tell this wrong.
    It was said that Jews don't perceive the soul of man as either being good or evil, as Christians do, but rather man is simply a man. He is neither good or evil; he just is.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Reminds me of what I read about the Jewish faith...
      Note: The only thing I really know about the Jewish faith is what I have read in books, so forgive me if I tell this wrong.
      It was said that Jews don't perceive the soul of man as either being good or evil, as Christians do, but rather man is simply a man. He is neither good or evil; he just is.
      That's a new one for me,

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      • Profile picture of the author thecableguy
        Totally agree, you don't need the software to produce junk, but in the hands of the right person it can produce a whole lot of crap

        Just because other people haven't had any success with it doesn't mean it doesn't work. Kinda irks me when some asks a question about spinning software or something and they jump in to hijack a thread and turn it into argument about what a dummy you are for spinning articles.

        If you look around you'll find a good number of software and services that do support the spin syntax. I doubt if the developers are dummies and they're being developed for nothing. JMO
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          If you look around you'll find a good number of software and services that do support the spin syntax. I doubt if the developers are dummies and they're being developed for nothing. JMO
          I agree with this. I think they're being developed for good profits, certainly not for nothing. Just imagine: there's a whole IM-niche sub-industry there whose profits might be somewhat threatened, if people really learned the truth of the so-called "duplicate content penalty".
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          • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I agree with this. I think they're being developed for good profits, certainly not for nothing. Just imagine: there's a whole IM-niche sub-industry there whose profits might be somewhat threatened, if people really learned the truth of the so-called "duplicate content penalty".
            Knowing the truth can set them free, you mean?

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        • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
          Originally Posted by alanfukuda View Post

          Totally agree, you don't need the software to produce junk, but in the hands of the right person it can produce a whole lot of crap

          Just because other people haven't had any success with it doesn't mean it doesn't work. Kinda irks me when some asks a question about spinning software or something and they jump in to hijack a thread and turn it into argument about what a dummy you are for spinning articles.

          If you look around you'll find a good number of software and services that do support the spin syntax. I doubt if the developers are dummies and they're being developed for nothing. JMO
          Very well said. The truth is that if people really know how
          and take the time to spin articles "right" and follow a proven
          system of using these rightly spun articles right, they will
          consistently smile to the bank with the profits that will
          accrue from their efforts.

          Again, I said IF... and I also said KNOW HOW...

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  • Profile picture of the author jrichy88
    I am learning a lot about spinning correctly lately and have tried to put it to practice. I have been creating standalone paragraphs, alternating paragraphs and optional paragraphs and sentences to change the shape of the articles for more uniqueness. In order to build up and expand my business as quickly as possible I need to get time consuming tasks outsourced. I read that you successfully outsource this stuff. Firstly, how long does it take to create a spin ready article? How unique do you like to get them? And what kind of people do you look for to outsource this stuff to.. article writers?

    Thanks for the great thread!
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by jrichy88 View Post

      I am learning a lot about spinning correctly lately and have tried to put it to practice. I have been creating standalone paragraphs, alternating paragraphs and optional paragraphs and sentences to change the shape of the articles for more uniqueness. In order to build up and expand my business as quickly as possible I need to get time consuming tasks outsourced. I read that you successfully outsource this stuff. Firstly, how long does it take to create a spin ready article? How unique do you like to get them? And what kind of people do you look for to outsource this stuff to.. article writers?

      Thanks for the great thread!
      Merry Christmas Everybody!
      Very good. Indeed, your system of creating standalone
      paragraphs, alternating paragraphs and optional paragraphs
      and sentences should work very well for you. But yes, the
      time - wish you had 34 hours, right,

      Tell you the truth it's difficult to find people who can, not
      only do this well, but take the time to do this right/well,
      But of course, if you learn the best ways to do it yourself
      and master it, then you can teach it to your staff of writers.

      As for the time it takes to spin an article, it really depends
      on the thoroughness you want to give to the spinning. It
      can take an hour, 2, 4 or as many as 5+ for just one
      article. Yes, it once took me 10+ hours to work on a
      particular spin ready project. But when completed and spun,
      the versions were 80% + unique from the others.

      As for the people who will do this, a good article spinner must
      be a very good article writer. No 2 ways about that,

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  • Profile picture of the author VictorBlack
    I believe the problem is more subtle... It's not just the "right" or "wrong" way to spin articles.

    It's like when TV news was an extremely prestigious thing rather than a circus side-show, because there were only 3 channels. Now there are dozens of 24/7 News channels, all the local shows... Any time someone gets a hold of anything that seems like it may be a story they work it to death, stretch it out desperately, and make complete fools of themselves. The same thing happened when Internet news started getting big, and I know that I have read some of your posts here commenting on the idiocy of some blogs.

    The problem is not whether or not it is done right or wrong. The problem is over-saturation, or over-fishing, or whatever. So much of the same information said in the same way is annoying.

    Think of the more popular magazines out there for example. A great many people will no longer subscribe to them because all of the magazines are writing pretty much the same thing in a 24-month cycle. Who wants to read the same junk over and over again in someone else's words?
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    • Profile picture of the author VictorBlack
      Originally Posted by VictorBlack View Post

      I believe the problem is more subtle... It's not just the "right" or "wrong" way to spin articles.

      It's like when TV news was an extremely prestigious thing rather than a circus side-show, because there were only 3 channels. Now there are dozens of 24/7 News channels, all the local shows... Any time someone gets a hold of anything that seems like it may be a story they work it to death, stretch it out desperately, and make complete fools of themselves. The same thing happened when Internet news started getting big, and I know that I have read some of your posts here commenting on the idiocy of some blogs.

      The problem is not whether or not it is done right or wrong. The problem is over-saturation, or over-fishing, or whatever. So much of the same information said in the same way is annoying.

      Think of the more popular magazines out there for example. A great many people will no longer subscribe to them because all of the magazines are writing pretty much the same thing in a 24-month cycle. Who wants to read the same junk over and over again in someone else's words?


      From 12/23/10...

      I'm going to open up a psychic hotline now.
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  • Profile picture of the author jrichy88
    Well now i'm more confident about the time factor. I have spent hours on an article myself with the motivation that good quality content surrounding a link gives way more weight to a backlink than a garbage article with a link in it. So a few good quality articles and therefore good quality backlinks is better than lots of garbage articles and therefore garbage backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by jrichy88 View Post

      Well now i'm more confident about the time factor. I have spent hours on an article myself with the motivation that good quality content surrounding a link gives way more weight to a backlink than a garbage article with a link in it. So a few good quality articles and therefore good quality backlinks is better than lots of garbage articles and therefore garbage backlinks.
      True. Garbage doesn't help anyone... even the so-called
      junk article spinners themselves... whether they realize this
      or not!

      The truth is - garbage is garbage,

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Cole
    Hi All,

    Great Thread. My technique for spinning is also quite good and probably how many will do it to produce great articles spun and good to read every time. It takes me around 30 mins to do my work and i have many variants of the same article. This in my opinion is time very well spent!!

    I actaully might also do a combination of the both. ie spin at sentance level as well as at paragraph level. Though my favourite is at sentance level. I will re-write each sentance up to five times, then proceed to the next sentance and repeat.

    This leaves me with great articles every time. As an example i would do:

    {Today i am going to go to the zoo with my son|My son and i are going to the zoo today}

    Two sentances both saying the exact same thing, however when you have many sentances like this put together within your article even though they are saying the exact same thing they will do so in many different ways.

    Chris.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by chrisc363 View Post

      Hi All,

      Great Thread. My thechnique for spinning is also quite good and probably how many will do it to produce great articles spun and good to read every time. It takes me around 30 mins to do my work and i have many variants of the same article. This in my opinion is time very well spent!!

      I actaully might also do a combination of the both. ie spin at sentance level as well as at paragraph level. Though my favourite is at sentance level. I will re-write each sentance up to five times, then proceed to the next sentance and repeat.

      This leaves me with great articles every time. As an example i would do:

      {Today i am going to go to the zoo with my son|My son and i are going to the zoo today}

      Two sentances both saying the exact same thing, however when you have many sentances like this put together within your article even though they are saying the exact same thing they will do so in many different ways.

      Chris.
      Thanks for sharing your techniques. But wow... only 30 minutes??!!

      You must be an incredibly fast writer - perhaps even faster than me,
      even though I am yet to see anyone who types faster than me or
      who writes with a pen faster than I can type,

      Anyway, good on you, pal!

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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Cole
        Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

        Thanks for sharing your techniques. But wow... only 30 minutes??!!

        You must be an incredibly fast writer - perhaps even faster than me,
        even though I am yet to see anyone who types faster than me or
        who writes with a pen faster than I can type,

        Anyway, good on you, pal!

        Kingsley
        Hi Again,

        Sorry if i confused you, but this 30 mins is on a re-write only. This is re-writing an already written article. I am simply allowing 30 mins to re-write.

        I am not that fast...LOL

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        • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
          Originally Posted by chrisc363 View Post

          Hi Again,

          Sorry if i confused you, but this 30 mins is on a re-write only. This is re-writing an already written article. I am simply allowing 30 mins to re-write.

          I am not that fast...LOL

          Chris.
          Thanks for clarifying that. I was beginning to dust out
          my Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing (which I used to learn
          how to type many years ago) because I was a bit
          confused there, thinking you meant you could do an
          entire article rewrite (several sentences each) in 30 minutes!

          With my incredibly fast typing skills and awesome love
          and passion for writing, it still takes me HOURS to do
          a well prepared spin ready article!

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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Key,

    I am glad you brought up this subject.

    My overall assessment is that there is an attitude towards article spinning that first needs an adjustment. I'm not talking about those who view it in a negative light, but for those who use it.

    I have seen that many people see it as a short cut to multiply their efforts for content syndication and back links.

    The problem is that those who view spinning as a shortcut rarely put any decent effort or forethought into creating a quality spin. This leads to the push button type of spinning software that spits out crap.

    The other problem I see is the barrier people have who do not command the English language very well, me included. hehe

    Many folks who's second language is English and may not have a good command of it, find it hard enough to create one well written article. The work it takes just to do that leads them down the path to crappy spinning programs, which outputs even further junk. God Bless their souls, I know they are trying but its just a reality they face.

    Hell English is my only language and I do not command it at all! LOL

    Then you just have the spam group and we don't need to analyze them.

    Now....

    Spinning is a tool and how you use the tool will dictate your results.

    My service allows my users to not only spin their text but also images and videos, and they can even build a list with their article by insert their forms.

    Its like pulling teeth to get some members to use the features provided. It can only benefit them. Don't get me wrong, some do take advantage. Most don't!

    I would rather see them use all my features and only produce an article that outputs 50-70 highly unique and quality articles, then an article that they try and get to all 600 of my sites.

    The more sites they try and get their articles on the lower the quality becomes because it takes more effort to keep the output high without compromising the quality.

    I firmly believe spinning is a GREAT tool. If the effort is applied it will produce the results people are looking for.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      Key,

      I am glad you brought up this subject.

      My overall assessment is that there is an attitude towards article spinning that first needs an adjustment. I'm not talking about those who view it in a negative light, but for those who use it.

      I have seen that many people see it as a short cut to multiply their efforts for content syndication and back links.

      The problem is that those who view spinning as a shortcut rarely put any decent effort or forethought into creating a quality spin. This leads to the push button type of spinning software that spits out crap.

      The other problem I see is the barrier people have who do not command the English language very well, me included. hehe

      Many folks who's second language is English and may not have a good command of it, find it hard enough to create one well written article. The work it takes just to do that leads them down the path to crappy spinning programs, which outputs even further junk. God Bless their souls, I know they are trying but its just a reality they face.

      Hell English is my only language and I do not command it at all! LOL

      Then you just have the spam group and we don't need to analyze them.

      Now....

      Spinning is a tool and how you use the tool will dictate your results.

      My service allows my users to not only spin their text but also images and videos, and they can even build a list with their article by insert their forms.

      Its like pulling teeth to get some members to use the features provided. It can only benefit them. Don't get me wrong, some do take advantage. Most don't!

      I would rather see them use all my features and only produce an article that outputs 50-70 highly unique and quality articles, then an article that they try and get to all 600 of my sites.

      The more sites they try and get their articles on the lower the quality becomes because it takes more effort to keep the output high without compromising the quality.

      I firmly believe spinning is a GREAT tool. If the effort is applied it will produce the results people are looking for.

      Thanks for your thoughts, Rus. Glad to see you have updated
      your submission system and moving to make more impact. Your
      doggedness will pay off, I am sure.

      Well done, soldier!

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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        Thanks Kay, my two cents, usually worth about...two cents! LOL Have a Merry Christmas!

        Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

        Thanks for your thoughts, Rus. Glad to see you have updated
        your submission system and moving to make more impact. Your
        doggedness will pay off, I am sure.

        Well done, soldier!

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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    I wish people would differentiate what they are talking about when they use the two different terms "spinning" and "re-writing". Right or wrong this is how my mind interprets using a "spinner" versus "re-writing":

    If someone tells me they "spin" an article I picture the nonsense that comes out of the software versions with no human editing. Submitted to directories "as is".

    If someone tells me they are re-writing an article I picture something completely different. I imagine someone using an article as a basis for research and a foundation for what they want to write. They take time to reword sentences, move paragraphs around, maybe even tweak the thrust of the content. They make the article their own, original. They don't even need to run the new article through CopyScape but they do anyway just to make sure they are not copyright infringing in any way.

    Spinner advocates (by my definition anyway) have to believe the duplicate content myth and they also have to believe the Google algorithm programmers are morons. Do you really think they cannot detect if a page of content is not saturated with significant grammer errors? Grammer checkers have been around for decades and they get better all the time. If Google is not already discounting backlinks from these pages of gibberish I think it is just a matter of time.

    I like the way the OP warriorkay calls it the "RIGHT article spinning". In my view what is described is essentially re-writing.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Spinner advocates (by my definition anyway) have to believe the duplicate content myth and they also have to believe the Google algorithm programmers are morons. Do you really think they cannot detect if a page of content is not saturated with significant grammer errors? Grammer checkers have been around for decades and they get better all the time. If Google is not already discounting backlinks from these pages of gibberish I think it is just a matter of time.
    I advocate spinning, spinning that is not full of grammar errors, and you can comprehend it when its read.

    I also do not believe in the duplicate content myth.

    How do I bring the two to together?

    I can publish 1000 exact copies of an article and no matter what only so many will get indexed, the same goes for a spun article of the same number.

    But...

    If done properly the spun article will have a smaller percentage of articles placed in the supplemental index as opposed to the other article that was simply published on 1000 sites. That article will have many copies relegated to the supplemental index.

    This matters because we want as many copies or versions of the article to show up in the search engine results so people can read them.

    I don't disagree with you about the content that has gross errors in grammar, I think Google has some room to forgive but when it gets as bad as some of the automated spinning outputs that some programs produce, those are getting indexed less and less.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      If done properly the spun article will have a smaller percentage of articles placed in the supplemental index as opposed to the other article that was simply published on 1000 sites.
      Of course it will - you're right.

      But how will that help you?

      You're surely not suggesting that backlinks from the copies in the supplemental index are worth any less than those from the ones in the main index?! :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        Of course not! Back links from content in the supplemental index still count and I aren't less worthy of credit!

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Of course it will - you're right.

        But how will that help you?

        You're surely not suggesting that backlinks from the copies in the supplemental index are worth any less than those from the ones in the main index?! :confused:
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          Of course not! Back links from content in the supplemental index still count and I are non less worthy of credit!
          Agreed.

          Then how does it help you that "if done properly the spun article will have a smaller percentage of articles placed in the supplemental index as opposed to the other article that was simply published on 1000 sites"?

          Where's the advantage in that?
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    Ummm... before any more debates...

    MERRY CHRISTMAS, by the way,

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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I quote myself,

    This matters because we want as many copies or versions of the article to show up in the search engine results so people can read them.
    Did you miss that, or do you think its not a valid point. ???
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      Did you miss that, or do you think its not a valid point. ???
      Both.

      You're suggesting that multiple spun versions which show up in the SERP's (how? You don't do SEO for them all? How well ranked can they be from PR-0, non-context-relevant pages on an article directory?) will all get additional customers and income from them? That wasn't my experience at all (and though I say so myself I'm not a bad writer) and to be honest I have a hard time believing it, but if you can make it work and you're genuinely benefitting from it and can prove that to yourself, then good luck to you. And I apologise for missing your comment in a post above. And Merry Christmas!
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        The topic is moving away from the original subject but I will say that anything without some level of promotion won't rank for long on the first page of Google.

        And,

        Yes I am saying that articles on zero pr sites do show up in the search results on the first page and sometimes even beat articles on more authoritative article directories like EZA. Of course they'd need continual promotion to remain there but that's not a part of the point I was making.

        Now we are getting into competition levels also which is a whole new area, but if your spinning your article well which includes your titles you can have several versions of your article occupy a few spots on the first page of Google.

        I've done this myself and many of my users have done so as well.

        The question is where some one wants to spend their efforts I guess.

        1. You can write an article and promote it using the tactics we all know.

        or

        2. You can write a series of articles so you continually have a presence on the first page of Google as well.

        Merry Christmas to you too!

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Both.

        You're suggesting that multiple spun versions which show up in the SERP's (how? You don't do SEO for them all? How well ranked can they be from PR-0, non-context-relevant pages on an article directory?) will all get additional customers and income from them? That wasn't my experience at all (and though I say so myself I'm not a bad writer) and to be honest I have a hard time believing it, but if you can make it work and you're genuinely benefitting from it and can prove that to yourself, then good luck to you. And I apologise for missing your comment in a post above. And Merry Christmas!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Well, IMO, what you're describing is not spinning. It's just writing variations
      on a particular article, which I have done many times.

      You can dress a pig up in a tux but it's still a pig. Using automated software
      to churn out crap is spinning. Rewriting an article is not.

      Want to call it spinning? Be my guest. But you'll never convince me that's
      what it is.

      I think we all know what we're talking about when we say that spinning is
      evil and should be banished from this planet...and it's not what you're
      describing that people should do.

      So please, let's not try to water down the stigma of true article spinning.

      It is what it is...useless garbage.
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      • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
        Originally Posted by Janice Sperry View Post

        I wish people would differentiate what they are talking about when they use the two different terms "spinning" and "re-writing". Right or wrong this is how my mind interprets using a "spinner" versus "re-writing":

        If someone tells me they "spin" an article I picture the nonsense that comes out of the software versions with no human editing. Submitted to directories "as is".

        If someone tells me they are re-writing an article I picture something completely different. I imagine someone using an article as a basis for research and a foundation for what they want to write. They take time to reword sentences, move paragraphs around, maybe even tweak the thrust of the content. They make the article their own, original. They don't even need to run the new article through CopyScape but they do anyway just to make sure they are not copyright infringing in any way.

        Spinner advocates (by my definition anyway) have to believe the duplicate content myth and they also have to believe the Google algorithm programmers are morons. Do you really think they cannot detect if a page of content is not saturated with significant grammer errors? Grammer checkers have been around for decades and they get better all the time. If Google is not already discounting backlinks from these pages of gibberish I think it is just a matter of time.

        I like the way the OP warriorkay calls it the "RIGHT article spinning". In my view what is described is essentially re-writing.

        Peace to all!


        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Well, IMO, what you're describing is not spinning. It's just writing variations
        on a particular article, which I have done many times.

        You can dress a pig up in a tux but it's still a pig. Using automated software
        to churn out crap is spinning. Rewriting an article is not.

        Want to call it spinning? Be my guest. But you'll never convince me that's
        what it is.

        I think we all know what we're talking about when we say that spinning is
        evil and should be banished from this planet...and it's not what you're
        describing that people should do.

        So please, let's not try to water down the stigma of true article spinning.

        It is what it is...useless garbage.
        No sirS, it's SPINNING. Yes, you rewrite but not just rewriting
        an article but rewriting the sentences or paragraphs several
        different times and several different ways. Like I said, one of
        my techniques is putting together MANY stand-alone
        paragraphs on a particular topic/niche, etc until I have
        several dozens or even hundreds.

        But that's just the beginning. It doesn't end there. At this
        point we call the end result a spin ready article.

        After this, you then put them together using the particular
        spinning synthax that the article spinner you have uses -
        { version 1 | version 2 | version 3 | version 4 | version 5 | etc}
        and spin with the software into several dozens or hundreds of
        reasonably unique versions.

        One well prepared spin ready article can end up giving you many
        dozens or hundreds of reasonable unique versions.

        Yes, it will take you several HOURS to do this, but you end up
        with many more articles than you would have if you wrote
        just "normal" articles.

        This is the "right" way of doing article spinning, unlike just
        loading an article into a spinning software, selecting the
        "automatic synonym replacement" feature and hitting the
        "spin" button. This is the EVIL part that all of us, including you,
        sirS, hate,

        And I did explain the "rewriting" part in the main post.
        Seems some people missed that, so here goes:

        Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post


        Some Right Ways Of Doing Article Spinning

        Yes, there are right ways. Simply writing an article from
        scratch and rewriting the various sentences multiple times and
        putting them all together
        can produce dozens or even
        hundreds of reasonably unique versions. Also writing and
        rewriting many multiples of "stand-alone" paragraphs on
        a particular topic/niche and expertly putting them all together
        can produce very powerfully done hundreds of unique
        versions
        (this is one of the main ways I do article spinning,
        by the way and it's very effective and produce articles
        so good that they ARE accepted by EzineArticles all the time, )

        Article spinning, when done right, is no different from
        writing 100 articles. The only difference is that you make
        BETTER USE of the 100 articles and turn them into 1,000
        articles instead...

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  • Profile picture of the author BelindaMooney
    As someone who earns a part of her living spinning articles I can verify that it can be done correctly and read very well. I also agree with the original author of the thread in that well spun articles actually can take longer than writing a brand new article!

    There are several tips for good spinning and some of it also comes from having a "knack" for it, which I do. Here are some of the things I do that my clients appreciate and I do for myself as well.

    • Rewriting is often key. Rewriting each sentence at least 1x greatly increases your uniqueness.
    • Spin words/phrases inside those sentences and use good grammar.
    • Be willing to spin phrases not included in The Best Spinners synonym files. For example, if your article says, "Three of the best places to go is the beach, the museum and the park. - switch the mutliples around so it looks like this - {the beach, the museum and the park|the museum, the park and the beach} - you get several new combos that way and you can also spin the words inside those phrases
    • Spin contractions
    • You can add html to headings etc - that can help too.
    Hope these tips help!
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
    Many people who make spun articles have a hard time getting a lot of them ranked. Some people get maybe 20% or less ranked if you are submitting them to multiple article directories.

    How to help solve this problem if you are using wordpress is to use a plugin that I use called: "pingback optimizer" and here is what it does:

    Automatically submits your pingback URLs to multiple RSS directories, what this means is that it sends backlinks to your backlinks!

    to put it another way:

    it will link from RSS directories to your articles, therefore helping more of them actually get ranked.

    What I love about it is that I don't have to do ANYTHING, the plugin does it all in the background for me.

    Without it, most of my spins to different directories were not getting indexed, with it, that's all changed.

    to find it, simply do a google search, I highly recommend this for those of you who are wordpress users.

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  • Profile picture of the author rb699
    Thank you for explaining how to do article spinning correctly. This is the only way I think it should be done. You have to put in the time doing it right or shouldn't do it at all. You have given me more insight into what is possible with right article spinning. Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by rb699 View Post

      Thank you for explaining how to do article spinning correctly. This is the only way I think it should be done. You have to put in the time doing it right or shouldn't do it at all. You have given me more insight into what is possible with right article spinning. Thank you.
      Thank you too. I also have to add that you should read
      what others on here have to say. There are a few who
      also shared their tips on how to do it right. Pay attention
      and you will end up churning out more high quality
      articles that you can be proud of,

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    As I look at spinning is, till it doesn't look spam or copied, it is great. The problem comes when spinning is done through some software . Now I guess, we need to give 2 different names to both type of spinning.

    Now no one can term being smart as evil, or can anyone ?
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Originally Posted by akshay7 View Post

      As I look at spinning is, till it doesn't look spam or copied, it is great. The problem comes when spinning is done through some software . Now I guess, we need to give 2 different names to both type of spinning.

      Now no one can term being smart as evil, or can anyone ?
      If you provide no value at all and only make people's blogs
      or article directories look spammy with your spammy articles,
      then it's evil. Article submission shouldn't be just to give us
      the links but also to contribute to the blog or article directory.

      But again, what do I know, right?

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      • Profile picture of the author industrial
        Article spinning is for those who still believe Google wants to see back links in "quantity". If that's your approach then good luck to ya. IMO what G wants is quality and relevancy because that's what their users are seeking when doing a search. I don't care what anyone says, article spinning is nowhere near as effective as putting out unique content. Spinned articles done by ANY software have a short life in Google's index if they ever get indexed at all.
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        • Profile picture of the author W.P. Allen
          For those who think article spinning is the answer for their
          being lazy, it's really NOT. It's actually MORE DIFFICULT
          to prepare 100 very well done spin ready articles than it
          is to write 500 articles from scratch. I know, I have done it
          more times than I can count.
          This is exactly what I found. It seems like it would be beneficial to simply take the time you would have spent "spinning" articles and use it to "write" articles.
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          • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
            Originally Posted by W.P. Allen View Post

            This is exactly what I found. It seems like it would be beneficial to simply take the time you would have spent "spinning" articles and use it to "write" articles.
            Yes, it sure would seem "beneficial to simply take
            time you would have spent spinning articles and use
            it to write articles
            " as you say, but the benefits of
            the same "time" spent when used for RIGHT article
            spinning can be STAGGERING, in terms of backlinks
            that actually stick in the search engines,

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        • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
          Originally Posted by industrial View Post

          Article spinning is for those who still believe Google wants to see back links in "quantity". If that's your approach then good luck to ya. IMO what G wants is qualityandrelevancy because that's what their users are seeking when doing a search. I don't care what anyone says, article spinning is nowhere near as effective as putting out unique content. Spinned articles done by ANY software have a short life in Google's index if they ever get indexed at all.
          Is that so? :rolleyes:

          People doing article spinning "RIGHT" as I explained
          in this thread are getting more backlinks... getting
          more traffic... and making more money, while at the
          same time also providing VALUABLE content that
          Google absolutely, clearly, surely, obviously LOVES,

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  • Profile picture of the author Dynamic Marketer
    I think spinnable articles still have their place but do sentence spinning and not just word replacement - big difference there.
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