Replying To PM's & Membes/Moderators List?

13 years ago

Unfortunately, PMs are sometimes used to spam. Not saying you are doing that, just that it DOES happen. Many folks will ignore anything from someone they don't have a relationship with.

I get that it's a good way to start building that relationship, but it can be difficult to sort out what's real and what's fodder when your PM box is full.

Many Warriors have other contact info on the member page too if you've got a good reason to reach out to build a relationship, etc.

Can't speak to the mods page, etc., sorry.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

My main reason for contacting other members out of the blue is to ask if they would be interested in reviewing something for me.

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lgibbon

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

contacting other members out of the blue is to ask if they would be interested in reviewing something for me.

Most people would regard that as spamming.
No wonder you don't get a reply.
You're more likely to get a ban than a reply.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

Most people would regard that as spamming.
No wonder you don't get a reply.
You're more likely to get a ban than a reply.

Tell me how that is spam!

Tell me how else am I supposed to get reviews.

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lgibbon

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

Tell me how that is spam!

Tell me how else am I supposed to get reviews.

Well, I can't speak for everyone,
But I personally don't want my PM box filled up
with PM's from people I've never heard of, asking me to review their website.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

Well, I can't speak for everyone,
But I personally don't want my PM box filled up
with PM's from people I've never heard of, asking me to review their website.

No where have I stated I was asking anybody to review a website! I am asking members to review a WSO. Normally it would be in their interest to do so as already stated, they get a product for Free just for reviewing a product. They also get more credibility by being a member who ads a review to a WSO thread.

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lgibbon

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

No where have I stated I was asking anybody to review a website! I am asking members to review a WSO. Normally it would be in their interest to do so as already stated, they get a product for Free just for reviewing a product. They also get more credibility by being a member who ads a review to a WSO thread.

That's even worse then.
Reviews should be offered voluntarily by people who have bought
it and think it's worth mentioning it's value.
Soliciting reviews by giving it away reduces the credibility
of the reviewer as they were in effect "paid" to write it.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

That's even worse then.
Reviews should be offered voluntarily by people who have bought
it and think it's worth mentioning it's value.
Soliciting reviews by giving it away reduces the credibility
of the reviewer as they were in effect "paid" to write it.

Yes it is much better if all the reviews were by "paid" customers, but if you have ever sold a WSO or bought a "how to WSO' course, you will know that it is best to have reviews in your WSO thread as soon as it goes live.

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Fabian Fuller 13 years ago

Many request reviews on the main forum. I've done so myself and gotten numerous responses.
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- Mike Baker 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Fabian Fuller
  
  Many request reviews on the main forum. I've done so myself and gotten numerous responses.
  
  I don't want to give any old Tom, Dick, or Harry a review copy. I prefer to contact members I have seen around the forums and who I respect. I also take into account their post count. I'm not giving a review copy to someone who only has a few posts.
  
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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

Tell me how else am I supposed to get reviews.

The way most people get reviews is to post your WSO offer and put in the thread title that you have x amount of review copies available. It shouldn't take long for those interested to take you up on the review copies.

The problem with sending people PM's asking for reviews is that you are not necessarily getting people who are interested in the product you are trying to sell. If you want good reviews then you need people who actually need what it is you are selling. As mentioned, the best way to find those people is to post your WSO and release some review copies inside the thread.

If you are having trouble getting people to take review copies from your WSO then you will have an even harder time trying to get anyone to buy it.

P.S. One reason people may not be responding to your PMs is because your copying and pasting skills are not up to scratch? I just got one from you and you addressed me as 'Kevin'? You probably won't get many replies doing that...

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lgibbon

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

P.S. One reason people may not be responding to your PMs is because your copying and pasting skills are not up to scratch? I just got one from you and you addressed me as 'Kevin'? You probably won't get many replies doing that...

Lol, I rest my case then.
He's spamming.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

The way most people get reviews it to post your WSO offer and put in the thread title that you have x amount of review copies available. It shouldn't take long for those interested to take you up on the review copies.

The problem with sending people PM's asking for reviews is that you are not necessarily getting people who are interested in the product you are trying to sell. If you want good reviews then you need people who actually need what it is you are selling. As mentioned, the best way to find those people is to post your WSO and release some review copies inside the thread.

If you are having trouble getting people to take review copies from your WSO then you will have an even harder time trying to get anyone to buy it.

P.S. One reason people may not be responding to your PMs is because your copying and pasting skills are not up to scratch? I just got one from you and you addressed me as 'Kevin'? You probably won't get many replies doing that...

If I add "5 review copies" in the title, anyone who likes the product will be asking for a review copy. I don't want the WSO thread or my inbox filled up with any old person requesting it. Like I said, I only want members I know and respect to review my products.

Nice of you to address that in front of everybody! That wasn't necessary at all. Now you have embarrassed me and you may have embarrassed Kevin. In future if a typo is going to put you off reviewing something, I won't bother asking in the future. We all make mistakes. That was my first PM to someone with the incorrect name. Again, I apologize for that.

Originally Posted by lgibbon

Lol, I rest my case then.
He's spamming.

OK mate, here is the meaning of the word "forum spam" from wikipedia:

"Forum spam is the creating of messages that are advertisements or otherwise unwanted on Internet forums. It is generally done by automated spambots. Most forum spam consists of links to external sites, with the dual goals of increasing search engine visibility in highly competitive areas such as weight loss, pharmaceuticals, gambling, pornography, real estate or loans, and generating more traffic for these commercial websites. Some of these links contain code to track the spambot's identity if a sale goes through, when the spammer behind the spambot works on commission."

Here is the meaning of "electronic spam":

"Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately. While the most widely recognized form of spam is e-mail spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media..."

I am not doing either of those.

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

Nice of you to address that in front of everybody! That wasn't necessary at all. Now you have embarrassed me and you may have embarrassed Kevin.

Wasn't this thread started because you wanted to know why no one was replying to your PM's? Well, considering the PM I received from you was addressing someone with a completely different name (Kevin), I figured it may have a little bit to do with why no one is responding... and thus worth mentioning.

Originally Posted by mikescos

In future if a typo is going to put you off reviewing something, I won't bother asking in the future.

A typo means spelling a word such as 'table' like this - 'tible'. A typo is not addressing someone by a completely wrong name. And your response was, sorry, I forgot to change the name. So clearly it is just a cut and paste message you are sending out to a whole lot of people. Doesn't make me want to run over and grab a review copy in a hurry. Sorry...

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Wasn't this thread started because you wanted to know why no one was replying to your PM's? Well, considering the PM I received from you was addressing someone with a completely different name (Kevin), I figured it may have a little bit to do with why no one is responding... and thus worth mentioning.

Like I said, you were the only one to receive a PM with the incorrect name in the first line.

A typo means spelling a word such as 'table' like this - 'tible'. A typo is not addressing someone by a completely wrong name. And your response was, sorry, I forgot to change the name. So clearly it is just a cut and paste message you are sending out to a whole lot of people. Doesn't make me want to run over and grab a review copy in a hurry. Sorry...

Actually the meaning of "typo" is:

"a mistake in printed matter resulting from mechanical failures of some kind".

You're on fire!!

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

Actually the meaning of "typo" is:

"a mistake in printed matter resulting from mechanical failures of some kind".

Damn, you love running for your definitions. Unless your brain is somehow mechanical, then I think calling me Kevin instead of Will would not be classified a typo.

Thanks for clearing that up...

YOU'RE on fire!

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Damn, you love running for your definitions. Unless your brain is somehow mechanical, then I think calling me Kevin instead of Will would not be classified a typo.

Thanks for clearing that up...

YOU'RE on fire!

You were the one who said "...typo means...". I just thought I better correct you as your meaning was incorrect. How many dictionaries to you want me to quote for you?!

Originally Posted by abdulquddus

Hi,

If you would have said that you would give them a dollar for that then they would reply you twice

However many think that you are trying to get some traffic to your website and do consider it as spamming

How would asking someone to review a WSO be considered trying to get traffic to a website? I fail to see how anyone would think that.

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CyberSorcerer 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

Tell me how that is spam!

Tell me how else am I supposed to get reviews.

First you would need to understand what spamming is and how your PM could be thought of as spam.

Just PMing someone out of the blue, especially when you don't have a personal relationship with them, is "Unwanted" contact. You are sending me a message to evaluate your site and let you know what I think about it.

Personally, my response to you would be that I charge for reviews. Plan and simple and end of conversation. If you were to answer with no problem I'm willing to pay for a review then you've started a business relationship with me and that changes things now. If you don't want to continue, then I know you just wanted something for nothing and wasted my time that I could have been using to do something productive.

Internet Marketers should be focusing on Productivity and Action if their serious about improving their business. Spending time answering unwanted PM's, email, chat's etc is doing neither of those.

Hope this has shed some light onto how your unsolicited PM's could be considered as spam.
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- CDarklock 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CyberSorcerer
  
  Just PMing someone out of the blue, especially when you don't have a personal relationship with them, is "Unwanted" contact.
  
  But that's entirely up to you, and the person PMing you can't tell.
  
  I get PMs out of the blue all the time, and only a tiny percentage of them are unwanted. I don't think a day goes by that I don't get at least one PM here from someone I don't know. They're not all spam, and I would never call a request to review something spam.
  
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  CyberSorcerer 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  I get PMs out of the blue all the time, and only a tiny percentage of them are unwanted.
  
  You've been here for awhile and I can see why that's true. On forums that I've been on for over a year I get PM's too asking for things. But over time those people have gotten to know me through my posting as have I gotten to know them.
  
  But I don't get PM's to often from new people to the forum. If someone with less than 10 post PM'ed for a review that's when I might get an idea of what type of business person they are.
  
  First impressions mean everything, and if my first impression of you is a PM to me asking for a review? Well!
  
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  CDarklock 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CyberSorcerer
  
  If someone with less than 10 post PM'ed for a review that's when I might get an idea of what type of business person they are.
  
  The type who doesn't post much?
  
  Some people are just plain too busy working to prolifically run off at the keyboard like I do. They might still spend a lot of time reading here.
  
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  Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  The type who doesn't post much?
  
  They might be.
  
  They might also be the type who has come here "in order to sell a WSO".
  
  One can sometimes guess from (a) how long they've been a member, and (b) their number of posts, and (c) the content of their posts, and (d) the site(s) linked to in their sig-file.
  
  One can guess wrongly, too, of course.
  
  And then again, someone who has come here "to try to sell a WSO" might still have a perfectly good and valuable WSO to sell, too.
  
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Mr Squeeze 13 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

Most people would regard that as spamming.
No wonder you don't get a reply.
You're more likely to get a ban than a reply.

I certainly wouldn't regard that as spamming, I mean who would complain about getting something of value for free.

Just my 2c!
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abdulquddus 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

My main reason for contacting other members out of the blue is to ask if they would be interested in reviewing something for me.

Hi,

If you would have said that you would give them a dollar for that then they would reply you twice

However many think that you are trying to get some traffic to your website and do consider it as spamming
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King Shiloh

Banned 13 years ago

PMs work perfectly well here.

For example, I got the one you just sent me a while a go but I will reply you at my own time.

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King Shiloh

Banned 13 years ago

You look so mean. I mean your avatar doesn't look friendly to me at all.

Maybe you have to change it because it could be the "why" nobody has replied your PM.

DISCLAIMER: ...Just a suggestion and I hope you have a sense of humor. Please lighten your mood.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by King Shiloh

You look so mean. I mean your avatar doesn't look friendly to me at all.

Maybe you have to change it because it could be the "why" nobody has replied your PM.

DISCLAIMER: ...Just a suggestion and I hope you have a sense of humor. Please lighten your mood.

I added that avatar because I thought it looked humorous. It was never intended to look mean. I apologize if it offended anyone. I'm in no way a mean guy. The wife get sticking her camera phone in my face so I pulled a weird face. I won't use that Ava again.

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CDarklock 13 years ago

Originally Posted by King Shiloh

Maybe you have to change it because it could be the "why" nobody has replied your PM.

He just recently changed it. The last PM from him that I didn't respond to was under the old avatar.

Mike, I'll just say it flat-out right here.

I get between twenty and thirty requests to review peoples WSOs every week. Some in my PM box, some in my email, some via Skype, some in chat rooms. And the reason I don't review all of them isn't that I don't want to, or that I'm not interested, or that I think the person requesting it is a horrible person who should be strung up by his thumbs.

It's that I tend to do the review on the spot. I say "yes, I'll review it" and then I download and review the product right then and there. Because from experience, I know that if I don't do the review immediately, it's probably not getting done.

In general, when I have the time to do a review, I revisit the most recent review request and say "sure, I'll review that for you." Which basically means that if I haven't agreed to review your product within twelve hours, I'm almost certainly not going to, because by the law of averages you're almost certainly not the most recent request I've gotten anymore.

And like most people, I don't like to PM someone and say "no, I don't want to review your WSO" because they always think that means something it doesn't. What it means is I just don't have time to do it right this second, and if I grabbed a copy to do it later I probably wouldn't do it, so I don't feel right saying "sure I'll take a free copy of your product" when I know I won't be giving you the review you want.
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King Shiloh

Banned 13 years ago

I heard that spam emails are unsolicited emails which means that spam PMs are unsolicited PMs.

By extension, if you send me a PM that I never asked for, you have spammed me.

Who else wants to know what a spam PM means? Or who else wants to define it?

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by King Shiloh

I heard that spam emails are unsolicited emails which means that spam PMs are unsolicited PMs.

By extension, if you send me a PM that I never asked for, you have spammed me.

Who else wants to know what a spam PM means? Or who else wants to define it?

You are missing one important ingredient here. The word "bulk".

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Andy Fletcher

13 years ago

Don't take it personally. When I first started trying to network on the Warrior Forum I got bent out of shape every time someone didn't return my PMs. Now I've been at it for a while I realise people are just busy. The kind of guys you want to connect with are the busiest of all.

I remember promising myself that I'd never reach the point where I let PMs go unanswered but now not a day goes past where someone doesn't send me a review copy or a JV request that I just don't have time to follow up on.

I know I look rude because of it but ultimately there's just not enough hours in the day.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher

Don't take it personally. When I first started trying to network on the Warrior Forum I got bent out of shape every time someone didn't return my PMs. Now I've been at it for a while I realise people are just busy. The kind of guys you want to connect with are the busiest of all.

I remember promising myself that I'd never reach the point where I let PMs go unanswered but now not a day goes past where someone doesn't send me a review copy or a JV request that I just don't have time to follow up on.

I know I look rude because of it but ultimately there's just not enough hours in the day.

Cheers,

Andy

See now that's the kind of attitude I disagree with. You want to be building relationships with people but you can't take 2 minutes out to reply to a PM?! There is always enough hours in the day. It's how you use those hours that matter. I always make it a point to reply to all PM's, email, texts, etc as soon as possible. You nor I like to be left waiting out in the cold, so why do it?! It also shows a sign of respect. Otherwise you give of the impression of ignorance.

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

See now that's the kind of attitude I disagree with. You want to be building relationships with people but you can't take 2 minutes out to reply to a PM?! There is always enough hours in the day. It's how you use those hours that matter. I always make it a point to reply to all PM's, email, texts, etc as soon as possible. You nor I like to be left waiting out in the cold, so why do it?! It also shows a sign of respect. Otherwise you give of the impression of ignorance.

Pot calling the kettle black, much? You didn't take 2 minutes of your time to write any of us personal messages - you just copy and pasted the same standard message to a whole lot of people in the hope you would get some replies. That's showing us respect?

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Brad Gosse

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Pot calling the kettle black, much? You didn't take 2 minutes of your time to write any of us personal messages - you just copy and pasted the same standard message to a whole lot of people in the hope you would get some replies. That's showing us respect?

That's how most of the PM's I get look. It's purely spam without some kind of personalization beyond someones first name.

Dear Brad

Please spend a few hours of YOUR time to review and help ME sell MY Product. Me Me Me, me me me.

I ask everyone to pay my hourly rate. I won't stop my profitable business to review your product on a PM.

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Last time I took a PM offer someone offered to write me some articles. They came back in broken english and when he asked for a review I was honest. He replied telling me to delete the articles and if I used them he would sue me.

Last time I replied to a PM outside of my clients.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

That's how most of the PM's I get look. It's purely spam without some kind of personalization beyond someones first name.

Dear Brad

Please spend a few hours of YOUR time to review and help ME sell MY Product. Me Me Me, me me me.

I ask everyone to pay my hourly rate. I won't stop my profitable business to review your product on a PM.

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Last time I took a PM offer someone offered to write me some articles. They came back in broken english and when he asked for a review I was honest. He replied telling me to delete the articles and if I used them he would sue me.

Last time I replied to a PM outside of my clients.

How do you manage to get reviews from members of this forum before your WSO goes live Brad?

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Brad Gosse

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

How do you manage to get reviews from members of this forum before your WSO goes live Brad?

Mike,

I never do

I prefer to let buyers do my reviews. It makes them real and authentic. Nothing beats: Just Purchased! Followed by THIS IS AWESOME

If you deliver value people will come back and comment because they are truly happy. Somehow solicited reviews seem tacky to me. Chasing people for feedback only to have them not read your stuff and write a quick review.

Hope that helps.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

Mike,

I never do

I prefer to let buyers do my reviews. It makes them real and authentic. Nothing beats: Just Purchased! Followed by THIS IS AWESOME

If you deliver value people will come back and comment because they are truly happy. Somehow solicited reviews seem tacky to me. Chasing people for feedback only to have them not read your stuff and write a quick review.

Hope that helps.

I honestly understand and would like it to be like that in every situation. But how did you go about it when you first started out selling WSO's? Why is all these "how to sell WSO" courses say "you need to have testimonials in your thread when it goes live" to help sell your product? I'm just going by what I have seen and read.

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Brad Gosse

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

I honestly understand and would like it to be like that in every situation. But how did you go about it when you first started out selling WSO's? Why is all these "how to sell WSO" courses say "you need to have testimonials in your thread when it goes live" to help sell your product? I'm just going by what I have seen and read.

I agree that testimonials may help. But there is a big difference between the review testimonials and the sales ones.

My first 2 WSO's were pretty much failures. Then my 3rd struck a chord with people and they couldn't resist.

I will never forget it. I went to a friends house for a few hours and came back to glowing reviews from buyers and tons of sales. I have almost 100 WSO's and each one is a learning experience

If your product doesn't sell itself, the best sales letter/review combo won't help it much.

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lgibbon

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

Why is all these "how to sell WSO" courses say "you need to have testimonials in your thread when it goes live" to help sell your product? I'm just going by what I have seen and read.

That explains it then.
You're not doing a lot of the thinking yourself,
just doing what you were told by one of those courses
that was thrown together as quickly as possible.

Guess they told you to spam by PM too.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

That explains it then.
You're not doing a lot of the thinking yourself,
just doing what you were told by one of those courses
that was thrown together as quickly as possible.

Guess they told you to spam by PM too.

Now you're disrespecting the members who sold those WSO's. I'm not liking your posts in this thread. They haven't been very helpful at all. :confused:

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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Mike,

Now you're disrespecting the members who sold those WSO's. I'm not liking your posts in this thread. They haven't been very helpful at all. :confused:

Les may get cranky sometimes, but he's done more to help the members of this forum than most people will if they're here for 10 years.

You really need to mellow out...

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Andy Fletcher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

See now that's the kind of attitude I disagree with. You want to be building relationships with people but you can't take 2 minutes out to reply to a PM?! There is always enough hours in the day. It's how you use those hours that matter. I always make it a point to reply to all PM's, email, texts, etc as soon as possible. You nor I like to be left waiting out in the cold, so why do it?! It also shows a sign of respect. Otherwise you give of the impression of ignorance.

Oh I see. You're just trolling.

Sorry, my bad. I thought you were after advice.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher

Oh I see. You're just trolling.

Sorry, my bad. I thought you were after advice.

Yes, that's correct. I am after advice. You had the time to answer my question regarding why some members don't answer PM's, but you can't take the time to answer a PM? That's a bit hypocritical don't you think?

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Andy Fletcher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

Yes, that's correct. I am after advice. You had the time to answer my question regarding why some members don't answer PM's, but you can't take the time to answer a PM? That's a bit hypocritical don't you think?

What do you want to hear?

"Yes, all those people not replying are just rude, mean silly pants and it's totally wrong of them not to want to talk to you. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to deal with such a pleasant individual as yourself"

Better? :rolleyes:

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher

What do you want to hear?

"Yes, all those people not replying are just rude, mean silly pants and it's totally wrong of them not to want to talk to you. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to deal with such a pleasant individual as yourself"

Better? :rolleyes:

Well I only have one thing to say about that, and that is I like to live my life by the old saying "treat others as you would like them to treat you". If someone sends me any kind of message, they expect me to reply. It goes both ways.

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WillR 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

I like to live my life by the old saying "treat others as you would like them to treat you".

Did you just give me permission to spam you and call you Kevin?
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King Shiloh

Banned 13 years ago

Andy, you've just nailed it.

Time is, most times, not on our side to satisfy even our very self much less to satisfy someone else.

Time is business...money...and it's not always enough.

All of us have just the same 24 hours of the day. Let's blame nature.

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WillR

13 years ago

This thread has now ended up just as useful as your 'I need someone to show me how to make $20,000 in the next 30 days and I'll give you 10%' thread. You seem to have a knack for this.

1. Drop the attitude. People were calling you out for something you WERE doing. You were in the wrong, not them. Apologise and move on or refrain from posting anything further. All you have ended up doing is looking like a dill.

2. As explained, you give away review copies of your product in the WSO forum like everyone else does. Make it clear as to the number and once all review copies are gone tell people so they will not keep hassling you. If no one takes you up on the review copies then thats a fairly strong indication of how well your WSO is going to sell.

3. Only use a dictionary to back up your arguments when it helps prove your point - not someone elses.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

OK, let me instead pose another question.

If you were selling something in a WSO and you wanted to contact respected members of this community by PM and they didn't respond, how would you feel? It may not be the end of the world, especially for those guys here who run them all the time and are successful at it, but what about the little guys with only a few WSO's up their sleeve or even if this is their first. You want to try and make the best impression as possible, so you want respected members giving reviews as well as paid customers, so when a member who you respect doesn't reply to a 5 line PM that would take 2 minutes, it's pretty damn disappointing wouldn't you say?!

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Andy Fletcher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

OK, let me instead pose another question.

If you were selling something in a WSO and you wanted to contact respected members of this community by PM and they didn't respond, how would you feel? It may not be the end of the world, especially for those guys here who run them all the time and are successful at it, but what about the little guys with only a few WSO's up their sleeve or even if this is their first. You want to try and make the best impression as possible, so you want respected members giving reviews as well as paid customers, so when a member who you respect doesn't reply to a 5 line PM that would take 2 minutes, it's pretty damn disappointing wouldn't you say?!

Entitlement complex much? :rolleyes:

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

If you were selling something in a WSO and you wanted to contact respected members of this community by PM and they didn't respond, how would you feel?

There are a lot of people on this forum whom I do not know directly but I see them adding value to threads on a regular occasion. If they were to PM me out of the blue they would have my attention and I would do my best to help them out. I would recognize their name right away because I see them around the place a lot and value their opinions/insights.

And hopefully the same would happen if it were the other way around.

Unfortunately the only posts I have come across from you on this forum are all about what other people can do for YOU.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

There are a lot of people on this forum whom I do not know directly but I see them adding value to threads on a regular occasion. If they were to PM me out of the blue they would have my attention and I would do my best to help them out. I would recognize their name right away because I see them around the place a lot and value their opinions/insights.

And hopefully the same would happen if it were the other way around.

Unfortunately the only posts I have come across from you on this forum are all about what other people can do for YOU.

That's because I don't have very much of value to add Will. I'm still a newbie in this and would think that when a newbie asks for help around here that they would get it. I'm just trying to sell a product like everyone else did their first few times. When I have a problem/question I ask for people's opinions. Yes, sometimes I don't like/agree with the replies and I'm honest and open about how I feel about them. I'm not a wuss to back of or walk away just because 1 or 2 people don't agree with me or I don't agree with them. I'm just trying to get a general feel from more than a handful of members. The first part of my question is pretty much a forum wide question, so I'm hoping to hear from a few more members to hear their opinions.

By the way, I would still like to know if anybody knows anything about the Members/Moderators List.

Originally Posted by WillR

Did you just give me permission to spam you and call you Kevin?

You can PM as much as you like and call me someone else's name all you want if it tickles your fancy.

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Brad Gosse

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

That's because I don't have very much of value to add Will. I'm still a newbie in this and would think that when a newbie asks for help around here that they would get it. I'm just trying to sell a product like everyone else did their first few times. When I have a problem/question I ask for people's opinions. Yes, sometimes I don't like/agree with the replies and I'm honest and open about how I feel about them. I'm not a wuss to back of or walk away just because 1 or 2 people don't agree with me or I don't agree with them. I'm just trying to get a general feel from more than a handful of members. The first part of my question is pretty much a forum wide question, so I'm hoping to hear from a few more members to hear their opinions.

By the way, I would still like to know if anybody knows anything about the Members/Moderators List.

I have to agree with Will, your threads and replies do tend to have a combative tone which can put people off. When someone PM's me that I know to be positive, and trustworthy I will consider the message.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

I have to agree with Will, your threads and replies do tend to have a combative tone which can put people off. When someone PM's me that I know to be positive, and trustworthy I will consider the message.

Good people skills help online and off

I only go into defense mode when I feel as if I am being attacked, and that's sure how I have felt after a couple of my threads lately.

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Brad Gosse

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

I only go into defense mode when I feel as if I am being attacked, and that's sure how I have felt after a couple of my threads lately.

Funny I feel the same way about a WSO thread of mine you recently set fire to.

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dbarnum

13 years ago

OP, you are not only asking for people to give time to your project work, you expect this, it sounds like. People wear many hats in their businesses, and that's expecting too much to have them do free work. You can ask, and nicely, but then let it go. And I wouldn't ask, either, unless you knew the people already - i.e. you worked projects together or you helped them with something first, etc.

Keep in mind, also, that many people have paid consulting and other programs. Asking them for free work can come across very negative.

You don't want to ask people to do free work. Invite free reviews in a general post or something, but don't ask people one-on-one to give you free time, effort, etc. unless it's a type of JV where they might be listed as a sponsor or something. And even then, ask, then relax and move on, and don't "expect" so much. See Willlie's post and really dig in to how people and their businesses are, a reality check, if you will. It's not a negative mark against you, it's just that people are very busy.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dbarnum

OP, you are not only asking for people to give time to your project work, you expect this, it sounds like. People wear many hats in their businesses, and that's expecting too much to have them do free work. You can ask, and nicely, but then let it go. And I wouldn't ask, either, unless you knew the people already - i.e. you worked projects together or you helped them with something first, etc.

Keep in mind, also, that many people have paid consulting and other programs. Asking them for free work can come across very negative.

You don't want to ask people to do free work. Invite free reviews in a general post or something, but don't ask people one-on-one to give you free time, effort, etc. unless it's a type of JV where they might be listed as a sponsor or something. And even then, ask, then relax and move on, and don't "expect" so much. See Willlie's post and really dig in to how people and their businesses are, a reality check, if you will. It's not a negative mark against you, it's just that people are very busy.

Just my 2-cents

I don't see it as me asking them for free work. They are getting something of value in return. The biggest gripe I have with this right now, is the fact that it would take literally 10 minutes to review this WSO. It's a bunch of html files in the form of a out-of -the-box template package. Simply download 2 MB of zip file, extract contents, open html file and have a quick look over. It's not a product that will require a huge amount of anyone's time. A simple "sorry mate, I'm busy right now" suits me fine, which I have received a few of. I then reply with a "no problem, thanks for considering it" PM. I can give out names of people who have declined and I have replied back to, but that is up to them to say in my opinion.

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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Mike,

Read this entire thread. It will answer a lot of your questions:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-requests.html

One that's not mentioned in there, as far as I can recall: The fact that you send someone a message does not mean they're under any obligation to reply. Acting as if they're somehow being nasty or negligent when they don't is showing signs of an entitlement attitude that's not usually productive.

I'm still a newbie in this and would think that when a newbie asks for help around here that they would get it.

Sort of like that...

You need to mellow out, sir.

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  Let me say a couple of things here...
  
  1. Personally, I don't lend too much credence in testimonials. Why? Because a lot of people get their friends to give them testimonials. I look harder at the "testimonials" in the WSO thread because, for the most part, those are from people who bought the product. How many negative testimonials have you seen in the copy of the WSO?
  
  2. A lot of people don't like to be contacted out of the blue. I don't mind it and I try to answer everyone who contacts me but, then again, I don't have a life.
  
  I want to make something very clear. ANY WSO that offers a very good product will do very well on it's own. Too many people put up WSOs for products that are marginal at best and wonder why they don't sell more.
  
  If you want a recent example, look at Lisa Gerget's WSO for a WP plugin. People bought it and it was a great product. In the thread, purchasers commented on what great things they were able to do with the plugin. THAT is what makes a very successful WSO!
  
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To the OP,

Look man this is a rough crowd! The rocks goes with the farm. Having been a Sales Manager for some 20 plus years I have met all kind of guys and gals. But, here is the deal, if it happened in the past it’s a cancel check. If it happens in the future it’s a promissory note.

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tpw 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

I only go into defense mode when I feel as if I am being attacked, and that's sure how I have felt after a couple of my threads lately.

When people critique your product, that is not personal.

But you do go into defense mode then also.

You are trying to draw distinctions where there are none.
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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

I would still like to know if anybody knows anything about the Members/Moderators List.

The moderators' list is no longer displayed. And a members' list, with over 250,000 members, would be pretty unwieldy, I think, and there might even be some members who wouldn't welcome being included in one. I can see that someone with spammy intentions might like to see one, though.

I do slightly dislike getting PM's from people I've never heard of offering me (usually thinly disguised) a free copy of their product in exchange for a testimonial.

Depending on my mood, I reply either politely declining, or at greater length explaining why I prefer to see testimonials from unincentivised, paying customers, and why I think that might help their sales and their reputation, too (I don't normally hear back from them again after that!).

I know perfectly well that some people see I've made 6,000+ posts and think "Ooh, this chick must be well known and might be good for a testimonial". Some even ask if I'll review a product with absolutely no mention at all of what it is ... like my opinion of a Wordpress plug-in would be relevant or interesting to anyone when I don't even know how to plug one in ... :rolleyes:

I think I do reply to them all, but I certainly don't blame people who don't.

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Andy Fletcher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

The moderators' list is no longer displayed. And a members' list, with over 250,000 members, would be pretty unwieldy, I think, and there might even be some members who wouldn't welcome being included in one. I can see that someone with spammy intentions might like to see one, though.

I do slightly dislike getting PM's from people I've never heard of offering me (usually thinly disguised) a free copy of their product in exchange for a testimonial.

Depending on my mood, I reply either politely declining, or at greater length explaining why I prefer to see testimonials from unincentivised, paying customers, and why I think that might help their sales and their reputation, too (I don't normally hear back from them again after that!).

I know perfectly well that some people see I've made 6,000+ posts and think "Ooh, this chick must be well known and might be good for a testimonial". Some even ask if I'll review a product with absolutely no mention at all of what it is ... like my opinion of a Wordpress plug-in would be relevant or interesting to anyone when I don't even know how to plug one in ... :rolleyes:

I think I do reply to them all, but I certainly don't blame people who don't.

I'll put my hand up to this one. I didn't PM Alexa in this way but I did approach a number of Warriors with a "free gift" and then follow it straight up with a request for a testimonial. Some replied. Some were nice enough to explain why what I was doing was stupid. Other's ignored me.

I learned my lesson and didn't do it again.

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Brad Gosse 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Craig Desorcy

This is why you may not want to run offers trying to teach others the IM
game.

It's a road of frustration for sure.

Just saying,

Craig

Craig

The problem is so many products tell newbies to fake it till they make it and try to join the blind leading the blind game of make money online. Lot's of big names teach you to "position yourself as an expert" when you have no business doing so.

I tell people to go out and make money outside of the IM niche. Then you get your street cred.

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Willie Crawford

13 years ago

Everyone has something of value to add since we all have different
experiences.

Asking for help doesn't mean that you will get, or are entitled to
it. We people are emotional, often irrational bags of chemical
reactions, and one word can set us off in unintended ways, so
while it's good to be honest and not too timid, it can backfire
(or prove non-productive). Personally, I don't think that it's
the best approach on this forum.

The unwritten rule on practically every forum that you
will visit is that you make time to study the culture first
and then you fit in.

Welcome to The Warrior Forum

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Originally Posted by mikescos

That's because I don't have very much of value to add Will. I'm still a newbie in this and would think that when a newbie asks for help around here that they would get it. I'm just trying to sell a product like everyone else did their first few times. When I have a problem/question I ask for people's opinions. Yes, sometimes I don't like/agree with the replies and I'm honest and open about how I feel about them. I'm not a wuss to back of or walk away just because 1 or 2 people don't agree with me or I don't agree with them. I'm just trying to get a general feel from more than a handful of members. The first part of my question is pretty much a forum wide question, so I'm hoping to hear from a few more members to hear their opinions.

By the way, I would still like to know if anybody knows anything about the Members/Moderators List.

You can PM as much as you like and call me someone else's name all you want if it tickles your fancy.

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Martin Luxton 13 years ago

Mike,

You know how they say you should contribute to the forum before expecting back?

Well, how about looking at PM's in the same way?

When I find a link that's not working in a sig file or their site looks weird in IE7 (etc), I PM the member and tell them.

If I'm in a thread and interacting with another member I might PM them with something (like a resource) relevant/specific to them.

People do often respond to PM's like these and they help build a relationship.

The way you have gone about it I suspect makes people feel you are trying to impose a relationship on them which could be why you are getting a poor response to your PM's and adverse reactions in this thread.

Martin

P.S. I don't review WSO's any more because I don't want to be a hostage to fortune.
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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Willie,

The unwritten rule on practically every forum that you will visit is that you make time to study the culture first and then you fit in.

The single best piece of advice in this whole thread.

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Willie Crawford

13 years ago

Many who post their first or even their 100th WSO are disappointed
with the results... if it never takes off. That's just a risk that you
take... and even a characteristic of a VERY busy marketplace often
visited by skeptical, shoppers, often with very little free time,
searching for just the right bargain.

A lot of people that you could PM, have dozens of PM's each time
that they log in. Some have so many that they can't possibly
read and respond to them all... and continue to run a business.

I'll use myself as an example. I attempt to funnel most of my
correspondences thru my helpdesk, where I have a category
set up for personal messages. Others are answered by support
personnel.

On any given day, I am flooded with joint venture offers, AND
offers for 100% free copies of software, courses, ebooks, access
to membership sites, event tickets, audios, videos, etc.

I get these offers on any forum that I visit as well as via email,
voicemail, snail mail, courier, Twitter DM, Facebook DM, Skype,
and even proposals pre-loaded to iPods that are mailed to me

I personally have no problem with someone offering me a review
copy of a product, realizing that I don't consider that obligating
me to provide a positive review. I'd want that review copy WELL
in advance of when you'd need the review, and there's a 90%
chance that I wouldn't be able to fit reviewing it into my
schedule.

I'm sure others with less hectic schedules would welcome review
copies of almost any product.

Incidentally, as a joint venture broker, I advise my clients not
to hesitate to give out review copies. It generally doesn't
lose you any sales. At the same time, not everyone who
accepts a review copy will provide you with feedback... they
get busy

It also comes to you not discounting any member who might
offer a review because they are not as visible on the forum.
You have lots of VERY influential multi-millionaires on this forum
who rarely post for various reasons. So, you often don't really
know who you are dealing with.

This forum is a great place to network... which is why I drop
by often. It's where I make a lot of connections. I've been
doing that for nearly a decade, and spent 4-5 years as a
moderator on this very forum (if memory serves me correctly).
It has it's quirks... as will anything people powered

I do wish you luck. You don't want to torque too many members
off by the tone of your posts... which can be done unintentionally.
We come from so many different cultures and background... and
sometimes you just run into someone who's have a really really
bad day.

Good topic incidentally.

Willie

Originally Posted by mikescos

OK, let me instead pose another question.

If you were selling something in a WSO and you wanted to contact respected members of this community by PM and they didn't respond, how would you feel? It may not be the end of the world, especially for those guys here who run them all the time and are successful at it, but what about the little guys with only a few WSO's up their sleeve or even if this is their first. You want to try and make the best impression as possible, so you want respected members giving reviews as well as paid customers, so when a member who you respect doesn't reply to a 5 line PM that would take 2 minutes, it's pretty damn disappointing wouldn't you say?!

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

Funny I feel the same way about a WSO thread of mine you recently set fire to.

Brad, I was just giving you my honest review of the product I bought from you. I'm sorry if you felt I was attacking you, but I was just trying to get you to see that newbies need a little more information than what you provided in that WSO.

Originally Posted by Craig Desorcy

This is why you may not want to run offers trying to teach others the IM
game.

It's a road of frustration for sure.

Just saying,

Craig

I absolutely agree with, and I'm not at a point yet to do so. If you take a look at my WSO you will see I'm not teaching anything.

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

Many who post their first or even their 100th WSO are disappointed
with the results... if it never takes off. That's just a risk that you
take... and even a characteristic of a VERY busy marketplace often
visited by skeptical, shoppers, often with very little free time,
searching for just the right bargain.

A lot of people that you could PM, have dozens of PM's each time
that they log in. Some have so many that they can't possibly
read and respond to them all... and continue to run a business.

I'll use myself as an example. I attempt to funnel most of my
correspondences thru my helpdesk, where I have a category
set up for personal messages. Others are answered by support
personnel.

On any given day, I am flooded with joint venture offers, AND
offers for 100% free copies of software, courses, ebooks, access
to membership sites, event tickets, audios, videos, etc.

I get these offers on any forum that I visit as well as via email,
voicemail, snail mail, courier, Twitter DM, Facebook DM, Skype,
and even proposals pre-loaded to iPods that are mailed to me

I personally have no problem with someone offering me a review
copy of a product, realizing that I don't consider that obligating
me to provide a positive review. I'd want that review copy WELL
in advance of when you'd need the review, and there's a 90%
chance that I wouldn't be able to fit reviewing it into my
schedule.

I'm sure others with less hectic schedules would welcome review
copies of almost any product.

Incidentally, as a joint venture broker, I advise my clients not
to hesitate to give out review copies. It generally doesn't
lose you any sales. At the same time, not everyone who
accepts a review copy will provide you with feedback... they
get busy

It also comes to you not discounting any member who might
offer a review because they are not as visible on the forum.
You have lots of VERY influential multi-millionaires on this forum
who rarely post for various reasons. So, you often don't really
know who you are dealing with.

This forum is a great place to network... which is why I drop
by often. It's where I make a lot of connections. I've been
doing that for nearly a decade, and spent 4-5 years as a
moderator on this very forum (if memory serves me correctly).
It has it's quirks... as will anything people powered

I do wish you luck. You don't want to torque too many members
off by the tone of your posts... which can be done unintentionally.
We come from so many different cultures and background... and
sometimes you just run into someone who's have a really really
bad day.

Good topic incidentally.

Willie

Thanks for your very well written and polite reply Willie. I have seen your posts around the forum and you have great insight.

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

OK, let me instead pose another question.

If you were selling something in a WSO and you wanted to contact respected members of this community by PM and they didn't respond, how would you feel? It may not be the end of the world, especially for those guys here who run them all the time and are successful at it, but what about the little guys with only a few WSO's up their sleeve or even if this is their first. You want to try and make the best impression as possible, so you want respected members giving reviews as well as paid customers, so when a member who you respect doesn't reply to a 5 line PM that would take 2 minutes, it's pretty damn disappointing wouldn't you say?!

Okay, I was going to stay out of your pissing match, but I am in now.

First to answer your question, when I launched my last WSO, I had 5 reviews ready to go from respected members of the WF.

These are people with whom I had communicated on a personal basis for several months, before I asked them to review my WSO. They were long-standing friends, before I asked them to review my WSO.

The pre-requisite in every case is that I had a real relationship with them that had age and respect built into the relationship, before I ever asked them to do anything for me.

Relationships were built from interaction in the regular forum, then followed with PM's to touch base on a personal level.

The magic is in creating real relationships.

I know that you very much dislike my opinions, because you have said so before. That is your problem not mine.

In regards to unsolicited WSO Review Requests, which is kind of spammy even if it doesn't meet the Wikipedia definition, because there is no prior relationship between the sender and the receiver.

Which of the 28 WSO Review Requests in my PM box should I respond to promptly, if any?

If I buy a WSO, I always review it if I have anything positive to say about it. I know how hard it is to get reviews, so I help the people out. But as was stated previously in this thread, it is better when I am interested in the WSO to begin with, and in these cases I am because I bought the WSO.

The last time you and I crossed paths, you promised me that you would never ask me to review one of your WSO's again. Thank God for small favors.

I told you that I would review your first one. It was pure junk. I did not want to put my name on a positive review for your product, because it was that bad, and my reputation is on the line when I put a positive spin on crap.

Once I was finished reviewing your WSO, I offered to buy it, because I did not want to write a review for it. You declined your first WSO sale. LOL

I offered honest critique to you, and you argued with me about how those things did not matter... Whatever dude... If you want to make money, offer people real value...

Then last week you asked me to review a sales video and another WSO.

And when I disagreed with you on your "$20,000 in 30 days" thread, you said you would never ask me to do another WSO, as if you were somehow taking something of value away from me.

LOL

Not everyone checks there PM's daily or even log into the Warrior Forum daily.

I know when I send a PM, it may or may not get answered someday. Is it the end of the world? No.

The only reason you are offended when people don't respond to you immediately, is because you are in the ME Mindset.

In your world, everything is about ME, ME, ME!!!!

In my world, I help out when I can, but I am generally BUSY, BUSY, BUSY!!!

Those people with whom I have a solid relationship in advance of contact may receive an "I am too busy right now." But they generally already know that. Often, I will respond in time, and they are happy when the response comes, rather than complaining about not being my highest priority at any single time.

In nearly all of your threads here in the forum, you display a sense of entitlement. You are entitled to have other people drop everything just for you.

And in my world, the only thing you are entitled to is a picture of my butt, with an invite to kiss my ass.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Just briefly to take up a couple of Bill's points, without wanting to detract in any way from the rest of his post ...

Originally Posted by tpw

These are people with whom I had communicated on a personal basis for several months, before I asked them to review my WSO. They were long-standing friends, before I asked them to review my WSO.

The pre-requisite in every case is that I had a real relationship with them that had age and respect built into the relationship, before I ever asked them to do anything for me.

This is exactly what I was thinking, when I posted above, but you've put it much more neatly.

Originally Posted by tpw

my reputation is on the line when I put a positive spin on crap.

This, I suspect, is what some people simply don't appreciate at all!

By giving your imprimatur to someone's product/service, you'd be risking your own own potential/future/existing customers thinking less of you if they tried it on your recommendation and found it "wanting". You do attach your own reputation to what you endorse.

A true analogy: there's a well-known medical professor at a London teaching hospital who gives every doctor who has ever worked for him exactly the same glowing recommendation and glowing reference when they leave his employ to apply for their own consultant jobs, and he's devalued the currency, and it's becoming difficult for anyone who's worked for him to get a job elsewhere because nobody can now tell whether his "reference" means anything at all (that's from my mother, who's now reluctant to employ former members of his surgical staff).

I endorse stuff as a paying customer. I endorse KateD's keyword research services, which I bought and were immensely valuable to me. I endorse Sbucciarel's blogs because I bought a couple and she installed them for me (even if I'm not using them yet), and I know and trust both of these people who are well-established Warriors of whom I'm a customer myself. This is very different from taking a freebie product, thinking "Yes, this looks alright, better say nice things about it" with your own name quoted forever as an endoresement. Apologies if this sounds churlish, but it's true!

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Brad Spencer

13 years ago

Mike,

Please don't get offended or bent out of shape about what I'm going to say. I've read this whole conversation and a few of your other posts on this forum.

There's a certain lack of tact in the way you post your threads. It just comes off as "hmmm....something's not right." It's hard to pin down sometimes when you start them but then you get so upset over what people say.

In the IM world...people will say whatever they feel like. Many here are Americans and are COMPLETELY used to speaking their mind whether right, wrong, or otherwise. It's just the way it is.

Pointing things out in the dictionary, fighting back against advice, and just continuously bickering on the same subject is only making you look like a mean-spirited person.

I'm not trying to attack you here...not my intention at all. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt about the past here on this forum and giving you the head's up as a fellow warrior who does care about new people that you're coming across wrong.

Just clean up the way you pose your question. No one owes anyone anything in this life and while you may believe you're right...so does everyone else think that they're right.

That's human nature. We all think we're right.

If the results of whatever you're doing aren't working...then change it....that constant improvement is the million dollar secret.

Please take this advice the right way...I'm in no way calling you out for your past sins perceived or real, or anything.

As a community, we do need to help others but sometimes we must help ourselves.

Have a Very Merry Christmas!

Cheers,

Brad

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Spencer

Mike,

Please don't get offended or bent out of shape about what I'm going to say. I've read this whole conversation and a few of your other posts on this forum.

There's a certain lack of tact in the way you post your threads. It just comes off as "hmmm....something's not right." It's hard to pin down sometimes when you start them but then you get so upset over what people say.

In the IM world...people will say whatever they feel like. Many here are Americans and are COMPLETELY used to speaking their mind whether right, wrong, or otherwise. It's just the way it is.

Pointing things out in the dictionary, fighting back against advice, and just continuously bickering on the same subject is only making you look like a mean-spirited person.

I'm not trying to attack you here...not my intention at all. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt about the past here on this forum and giving you the head's up as a fellow warrior who does care about new people that you're coming across wrong.

Just clean up the way you pose your question. No one owes anyone anything in this life and while you may believe you're right...so does everyone else think that they're right.

That's human nature. We all think we're right.

If the results of whatever you're doing aren't working...then change it....that constant improvement is the million dollar secret.

Please take this advice the right way...I'm in no way calling you out for your past sins perceived or real, or anything.

As a community, we do need to help others but sometimes we must help ourselves.

Have a Very Merry Christmas!

Cheers,

Brad

I have no problem with that, and yes it may seem that way when I start a thread. I'll be honest with you all, and I'm saying this to get any kind of hand outs or anything, just so perhaps you will see where I am coming from.
I suffer from Asperger's Syndrome, Social Anxiety Disorder and Depression. So my way of communicating is not as good as you all would like it to be, and to be honest there is nobody here that hates the way I come of than myself. My aspergers part of me thinks that a lot of things I say and do as logical, but they seem very illogical to other people. That's just how it is with me. It's something I have to deal with every day, and another reason why I don't contribute that much on the forum. You can see how easily it is for people to take me the wrong way. That's not to say that others can be complete jerks in return, but that's them. I'm not making excuses for them and not for myself either. I just hope everyone who reads this understands that my intentions are always good and I never intend on disrespecting anybody. I just have a hard time communicating in a way that you all will understand as being calm.

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Andy Fletcher 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

You can see how easily it is for people to take me the wrong way.

You could view it as other people taking you the wrong way.

Or you presenting yourself in way that is easy to misconstrue.

Same end result. Different way of thinking about it.
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Brad Spencer

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

I have no problem with that, and yes it may seem that way when I start a thread. I'll be honest with you all, and I'm saying this to get any kind of hand outs or anything, just so perhaps you will see where I am coming from.
I suffer from Asperger's Syndrome, Social Anxiety Disorder and Depression. So my way of communicating is not as good as you all would like it to be, and to be honest there is nobody here that hates the way I come of than myself. My aspergers part of me thinks that a lot of things I say and do as logical, but they seem very illogical to other people. That's just how it is with me. It's something I have to deal with every day, and another reason why I don't contribute that much on the forum. You can see how easily it is for people to take me the wrong way. That's not to say that others can be complete jerks in return, but that's them. I'm not making excuses for them and not for myself either. I just hope everyone who reads this understands that my intentions are always good and I never intend on disrespecting anybody. I just have a hard time communicating in a way that you all will understand as being calm.

See we come full circle...this is a fair reasoning. While I do think that the original posts are explained by this...sometimes the combative nature can't be explained by this.

People are brutally honest here sometimes and understanding group dynamics is a huge positive in this business.

I've noticed a lot of VERY well-respected people in this circle (there are many circles of influence in this business) chime in.

Mike, I will say that the people who have responded to you on this forum are those who genuinely do care. I'd also say that with regards to the "dictionary" responses that's getting a bit pedantic.

Personally speaking, that's the part that probably incites a lot of people here. It just looks like you're saying "F*** you" and it sounds like that's not your intention.

I've learned many times on this forum to just breathe, take 5 minutes, walk away, cool off, and be quick to apologize.

There's still a chance to salvage something out of these people. I'd strongly suggest being the big guy and apologizing because this thread got a bit out of hand and in the spirit of Christmas and the holidays (no matter what religion) we should all live and let live.

Just be careful...people are both forgiving and unrelenting depending on what is happening in their life...like Willie said "we're all big bags of chemical reactions" and this is INSANELY true in life.

I've apologized to many people for being sarcastic or an asshole when I was fired up and then realized "probably shouldn't have said that."

Oh well, live, learn, and move on...but I'd strongly suggest apologizing to those people who you have gotten into it with here. It's not the impression you want to leave with people.

Cheers,

Brad

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Kay King 13 years ago

It's true that honest responses can appear rude in writing - but rude responses always appear rude and the OP has made many of those.

On the other side of the coin the OP has multiple locked WSO threads. His response is to launch more WSOs. I'm not surprised by those uninterested in giving reviews - I'm surprised at those willing to put their name on a testimonial.

I'm not making excuses for them and not for myself either.

Yes, you are making excuses. I understand medical problems may cause you to react in an inappropriate way - but as you know what happens I'd think you would be more cautious.

You can't label everyone who disagrees with you or won't give you what you want as a "jerk" and then excuse yourself. Well, you CAN do that - but you don't get far with that entitlement attitude.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Right now it is 1:15 AM on xmas morning, so I am going to bed. I will read replies sometime in the next day or 2.

Thanks everyone for contributing.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikescos

The thing I don't understand that I have only ever noticed here, is some members just don't reply to PM's. I'm wondering why that might be the case?

Many of us get those PMs in our email and read them there. Trouble is, you can't reply to them there. So we say "I'll do that next time I'm on the forum" but somehow just don't get around to it.

There are other reasons, but that's mine.

That brings me to another point. Why is there no Members Page and/or Moderators Page on the site?

Because it's just a handy list of people you can harass and annoy.

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King Shiloh

Banned 13 years ago

OP, copy and paste the following links because you really need to see the threads. Where are they?

Okay here, I think you really need to see this thread:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/305043-little-secret-if-you-want-recommended-here-make-money-here-accepted-here-so.html

...and this:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/305260-testimonials-review-copies-dont-mean-squat-do-you-agree-disagree.html

The latter is more relevant than the former but please read both of them.

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CDarklock 13 years ago

Originally Posted by King Shiloh

OP, copy and paste the following links because you really need to see the threads. Where are they?

In the "main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum" folder you forgot to put in your links.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...d-here-so.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-disagree.html
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Thaddaeus T. Hogg

13 years ago

Howdy mikescos! How in tarnation are you a doin? You an me don't be knowin' each other but I feel like we is 2nd cousins twice removed!

I been readin' yore posts an I just wanna give you some words of advice my old pappy said to me. He said, "Son, don't yew be a drawin' yore guns if yew are only gonna shoot yourself in the foot!"

See, he was a a right smart fellar!

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King Shiloh

Banned 13 years ago

Hey folks,

I think the OP has really got a huge dose of bashing and all that. He really got what he bargained for.

My only worry is that some folks might not have learned from what OP has experienced here because of leaping before looking.

Folks, listen twice as much as you can speak. Look before you leap. Don't jump into hasty conclusions.

Please put the power of your mind and most importantly, your tongue to a very good use because whatever you say can be used against you, not just in a law court but also in WF.

I rest my case.

Hmm...I think this thread deserves to be a sticky. Or what do you think?

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