by smartlazy Banned
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Sometimes I'm wondering if all this Internet marketing stuff is just a scam. I'm confused with all the information around that I don't know which one is legit and which one is fake. I'm trying to connect the dots but I'm getting more confused. I don't know where to start. I don't know which method I should stick to.
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  • Profile picture of the author HelpfulHannah
    I can totally understand where you can come from. There are so many opportunities and to be honest there is no one way to make money online. That's why I like it so much... because there is all these different roads to the same goal.

    Here's my advice.

    1) Don't give up. You can do it. I know people who have been floundering for years and then, it all clicked and it all came together for them and making money was so easy.

    2) Stop buying stuff.

    3) Do what they do not what they sell. This is one of my favorite.

    4) Find a mentor who you know is successful and stick to that plan.

    You can do it.

    I hope that helps,
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    • Profile picture of the author PhotogJohn
      Originally Posted by HelpfulHannah View Post

      I can totally understand where you can come from. There are so many opportunities and to be honest there is no one way to make money online. That's why I like it so much... because there is all these different roads to the same goal.

      Here's my advice.

      1) Don't give up. You can do it. I know people who have been floundering for years and then, it all clicked and it all came together for them and making money was so easy.

      2) Stop buying stuff.

      3) Do what they do not what they sell. This is one of my favorite.

      4) Find a mentor who you know is successful and stick to that plan.

      You can do it.

      I hope that helps,
      What's the best way to find a mentor in your opinion, and how do newbies know that mentor really knows what he/she is talking about?
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      • Profile picture of the author iSoftware
        Originally Posted by PhotogJohn View Post

        What's the best way to find a mentor in your opinion, and how do newbies know that mentor really knows what he/she is talking about?
        Well I think if he or she has had some kind of professional accreditation, corporate experience, education or has written a book that is a good indicator.

        Of course there are people who know there stuff who haven't worked for large companies or have university degrees. The fact is though chances are if you had a successful career OUTSIDE of internet marketing and you willingy went into it (i.e. you left a good career), then you have had success.

        Also though anyone with any kind of mentoring program should have a list of former students who would happily speak with you.

        Hope this provide some insight...
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  • Profile picture of the author GoogleWarrior
    Here's my advice. Try to write your own "How to Make Money Online Ebook" and then sell it on the Warrior Forum and Clickbank. That is how most of the Warrior's start to make money in the beginning.
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

      Here's my advice. Try to write your own "How to Make Money Online Ebook" and then sell it on the Warrior Forum and Clickbank. That is how most of the Warrior's start to make money in the beginning.
      ? what - your joking right ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexandre Valois
      Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

      Here's my advice. Try to write your own "How to Make Money Online Ebook" and then sell it on the Warrior Forum and Clickbank. That is how most of the Warrior's start to make money in the beginning.
      This is Christmas, not April's Fool. I think you're confused.
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

      Here's my advice. Try to write your own "How to Make Money Online Ebook" and then sell it on the Warrior Forum and Clickbank. That is how most of the Warrior's start to make money in the beginning.
      Only problem with what you are saying is that if the OP knows nothing like he implies, how is he going to write his own product? Don't ya think the OP should find a starting point first and learn how it's done first? I think so.

      To the OP: You need to read...a lot! Take the time and go through this forum and read. One thing I will tell you is that you need to find a problem. You need to find someone in a market that has a problem you can solve. When you find a problem that someone is having, look for ways to solve it.

      You can either learn to create your own product that solves the problem or find an affiliate product to promote. (Probably best to start out as an affiliate first though.)

      You can learn everything you need to here in the Warrior Forum. Just pick something and start reading. Good luck to ya!
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      • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
        Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

        Only problem with what you are saying is that if the OP knows nothing like he implies, how is he going to write his own product? Don't ya think the OP should find a starting point first and learn how it's done first? I think so.
        Knowing nothing about a subject doesn't seem to be a problem in most IM ebooks. Buy a PLR product, rewrite and sell. Or just rewrite the same old research keyword -> find product on Clickbank -> write article.

        To the TS:

        Seems like you need a bit of motivation in the form of actually making a few dollars on the internet to make you believe that more can be made. You don't need to buy any courses to do that.

        Search for 'Bum marketing' and 'X-Factor Adsense' on this forum and you will find two easy methods of making your first income.
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        • Profile picture of the author scrofford
          Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

          Knowing nothing about a subject doesn't seem to be a problem in most IM ebooks. Buy a PLR product, rewrite and sell. Or just rewrite the same old research keyword -> find product on Clickbank -> write article.
          Yeah and that's why there is so much crap floating around the IM market. Even if you buy PLR, you should have some kind of knowledge about your market and product.

          If you are going to rewrite something, and you don't want it to be just another pile of s***, you need to know something about it. It's called offering value and quality to your market. This is why so many people think IM is scamming people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Just because it's not working for you doesn't make it a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hydroxide
    I think I see your MAIN problem and I believe all the others can see too. Without any doubt, your LAZINESS is putting things down. I see you have just joined the forum. Stay around a little while more before quitting. If your info really describes yourself as a smart and lazy person, then utilize your smartness. Don't be a lazy person. Check out my post of taking action.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ction-now.html

    90% of people fail in internet marketing because the give up before the even do anything.

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  • Profile picture of the author jasonsluck
    Originally Posted by smartlazy View Post

    Sometimes I'm wondering if all this Internet marketing stuff is just a scam. I'm confused with all the information around that I don't know which one is legit and which one is fake. I'm trying to connect the dots but I'm getting more confused. I don't know where to start. I don't know which method I should stick to.
    The easiest way to see if its real or not is to sign up with a couple networks, find an offer that you know some of your friends would be interested in trying, get a simple wordpress webpage up, put the banner and some content on the site and have your friend complete the offer. If they complete the offer correctly, you should get a lead / commission.

    In my opinion, that would be the least painful way to go. I would say start out with an offer that requires a credit card submission. Sometimes email / zip code submissions are scrubbed but credit card offers usually go through.

    Everyone is trying to make money. Just do your research before you invest alot of time and energy into something.

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author wanna-succeed
      Hydrozide beat me...
      I was going to say the same things to you so i'll simply back them up by saying that it takes grit and extreme hard work at first in order to make it in this bussiness.
      You also said you're trying a bunch of things out and they're not really working out too well.
      Many here have said it and that's how I plan to proceed, focus on one aspect.
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      • Profile picture of the author smartlazy
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        Thanks for all your advices. I'm not yet quitting, and I'll try to work things out one step at a time. I am quite proficient in using the Internet, and in fact I can make my own websites. Maybe I'll try to put my skills to good use.

        And I don't know if GoogleWarrior's advice is real, or just sarcasm.
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  • Profile picture of the author NikkiBanks
    Originally Posted by smartlazy View Post

    Sometimes I'm wondering if all this Internet marketing stuff is just a scam. I'm confused with all the information around that I don't know which one is legit and which one is fake. I'm trying to connect the dots but I'm getting more confused. I don't know where to start. I don't know which method I should stick to.
    The best advice I can give you is to keep learning SKILLS not METHODS. By that I mean the basics - learn how to set up a simple website or blog, how to build traffic- keyword, product, and niche research, gradually building sites in different niches, thinking about writing your own short reports and ebooks.

    The most important thing for any method to succeed is patience. No thread will teach you that...not even a mentor can imbibe that in you.

    Put in your efforts. Keep working, you will get results..sooner or later

    Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    Don't give up hope. Don't buy any more systems, take some time and read this site. There is a whole lot of really good free information here. Enough so that you could start and operate an successful online business. Choose one method, stick with it and make it work. Don't get distracted, get really focused. Write out a step by step plan for yourself and follow it. Remember there is also a lot of free help around here. Just remember, when you become successful to reach back and give others a hand up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve McBride
    I wrote this awhile back after reading a post much like yours. Programming your mind to succeed is the first and most important step at any challenging task. Give it a read, I think it will help a lot:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...-anything.html
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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    I saw this in another thread this evening, it was posted by WendyMay1,this gift of knowledge from her is invaluable, treasure it and use it --

    My advice would be to delete or unsubscribe all unnecessary emails coming into your inbox. Looking at too many emails about different programs can be a time waster. Warriors call this Information Overload.

    1. Concentrate on one program at a time
    2. Follow the acronym E,U,I

    - Education
    - Understanding
    - Implementation

    3. Do you have a Squeeze Page?.A squeeze page will help you draw in customers.
    The key to earning money in IM is to build a list. Long time loyal customers are important for repeat business in any niche.

    4. Do you have a mentor? There are many in this Forum who have programs, Sytems to lead you by the hand. You can virtually watch over there shoulders with there lesson videos of how they do it. Lesson videos work wonders for any newbie.

    5. Traffic, Traffic and more Traffic is the ultimate answer to have a long time internet Marketing Business. No traffic. No Money.

    Things to know

    1. How an autoresponder works
    2. How to create an Optin form for your squeeze page
    3. Adopting the right mindset to make the internet work for you
    4. Know how keywords work
    5. How to create a website within minutes
    6. How to resize images correctly.
    7. How to save files correctly.
    8. Know how to upload your squeeze page(website) to the internet.
    9. How to undo changes when problems occur
    10. How to add an email address to your domain name
    11. Understand FTP(File transfer protocol)
    12. How to create an ebook
    13. How to create a download page.
    14. How To Upload An eBook (or any product) to your Web Host
    15. Write down your goals. A goal not written is only a wish
    16. How to take payments online using paypal
    17. How to be a successful affiliate using Clickbank
    18. How to be a successful publisher
    19. How to zip and unzip files
    20. Learn how to be effective in Forums(traffic Generation)
    21. How to implement 'Joint Venture giveaways'
    22. How Search Engine Optimization works
    23. Learn about Google Adwords and Google Adsense. What is the difference between the two.
    24. How a blog works and why you need one.
    25. How To Embed A Video Into Your Web Page.
    26. How to show the current date on a squeeze page(website)
    27. How To Put Your OWN Personal Video Message On Your Website and why you need one.
    28. How To Insert Computer Code Into Your Webpage"
    (and why you should know this)
    29. How To Get Rid Of 'Clutter' from your pc(increasing space and making it faster)
    30. Licensing For Newcomers -- explained! "
    31. How to use classified ads
    32. How To Clear Your Cache and what this actually means.
    33. How To Save Money On Your Ink Cartridges For Your Printer!
    34. How to be successful with Article Marketing. TRAFFIC GENERATION.
    35. Autoresponder swaps
    36. How To Create And Upload A Zipped Folder Full Of Gifts For Visitors To Your Site.
    37. How To Make Your Website Dazzle And Shine.
    38. Affiliate Marketing - Done correctly

    The list above may seem overwhelming but it gets easier as you implement the actions.

    Here is a list of traffic Strategys you can follow:

    1. Search Engines
    2. Keywords
    3. Content Distribution
    4. Facebook
    5. Classified Ads
    6. Articles
    7. Haro
    8. Social Bookmarking
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  • Profile picture of the author woonkiat
    I would advised going through the warrior forum often as they provide useful advised and information which one of them may click with you to persue.
    Stay at it and good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Nancy Radlinger
      I have to agree with most of the post in here - until you look at what you are doing on here as a business, stay focused and be determined no matter the bumps that you run into - you will start making money. As far as knowing is a program is a scam, Google it or come in here and look it up - you will get honest advice in here from people that have been there did that - it's up to you if you are willing to listen and learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author CaesarSEO
    Maybe you wanna check out my thread. "MY first Clickbank sale" and that came after 1 month with 1 week of working. Now I made 3 sales totalling in $133, don't lose hope man
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinTorrence
    I'd suggest figuring out what direction you want to go with first.

    Help promote other people's products (affiliate marketing) ... create your own product (help solve a simple problem lots of people have ... write it down, format it into a downloadable report, sell it) ... write/provide services for other people ... sell advertising space on your own site .... ???... etc.

    Then start searching through the forums here and finding similar methods/suggestions that keep popping up to help you carrying out the direction you want to go.

    Take notes of the things you keep seeing pop up (writing articles, landing pages, finding "hungry" groups of people, etc). When you see a pattern of people using those things successfully... you'll know they work.

    Then start trying those things out yourself and get going.

    I know that's fairly basic advice ... but it'll help you weed out the flashy junk pretty quick and see the basics that truly work for lots of people. Focus on those things to shorten your learning curve.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hexor
    Why dont you try looking on youtube and search for an onlite website where you can produce money, if it is legit and it you can see also on youtube if there is true proof. I know one, and it is odesk. I assure to you that this site is legit BUT people / some people are scammers. Happy bussiness
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      So what's the question?

      The advice you'll get will be reflective of the quality of your question.

      That said, there's only 2 replies here worth listening to. I suspect the OP is looking for guidance, not suggestions on how to make money. Reading between the lines, he is confused about what works and what doesn't. And frankly, none of us can answer this for him.

      So here's my suggestion:

      Find out what you are good at and stick with it. The biggest mistake you can make is to jump around from method to method.

      Research and see if you can find something that you can handle... learn everything about it and take action.

      Give it time to grow.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Dude its not a scam. I am living proof and before I got it I was in your boat. I thought this stuff was crazy.

    Here is what I do.

    Mimic successful people.

    Make great products.

    Sends lots of traffic.

    Get lots of sales.

    This is simple, yet is is very complex at the same time. Best bet is to get someone that is alot more successful than you are. Once I did that and learnt from them, my profits exploded.
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  • Profile picture of the author goodmast3r
    Hi I just started my own hosting business, and it is hard. I have previously making money with internet marketing about $500 a month. But this new business is always hard to do. I feel the same too like you.

    You just need to keep working, try every method and track the result. The key is KEEP TRYING, no matter what.
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      I have been doing IM seriously for almost exactly 3 years. I'd dabbled before, but only with selling my own beginner's computer course online.

      I'm self-employed doing lots of IT'y things, so IM isn't my full-time occupation - yet.

      This last year I've averaged $500 a month online (which was my goal) and my best month was nearly $700.

      I think I've tried most methods online, and with time have come to know which things work for me. Now I know that I have a much clearer plan for 2011 than I did for 2010.

      Building up a long-term business takes time. It's really easy for people to say things like "you need to do blog commenting" or "you need to do xxxxx" - that's fine if you enjoy xxxxxx. Some tasks in IM take hours and if you don't enjoy them, you won't do them.

      Part of building up your business is working out which bits motivate you and you enjoy, so that you can work on those. I now outsource my seo, but at least I learnt what it was and how to do it before outsourcing. My outsourcer loves it, I find it sooooooo boring!
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  • Profile picture of the author redbearing
    You will not go anywhere with the type of mindset that you have. Stick to one strategy at a time and do it till you're really good at it.

    Maybe start by learning how to website flipping and be an excellent website flipper by the end of 2011. Does that sound like a plan?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Man it took me 7 years to make regular money, its not a scam.

    Write as many articles in a niche as you can.

    Place adsense or affiliate ads

    do a bit of pinging and submit to EZA.

    Do this for 2 months and if you haven't made any money then give up, otherwise keep going.
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  • Profile picture of the author theultimate1
    Originally Posted by smartlazy View Post

    Sometimes I'm wondering if all this Internet marketing stuff is just a scam. I'm confused with all the information around that I don't know which one is legit and which one is fake. I'm trying to connect the dots but I'm getting more confused. I don't know where to start. I don't know which method I should stick to.
    I don't know if you've tried this, but offering content writing services works, and it works great. That is, of course, until you reach a certain income level and then branch out into bigger things online, over time. All The Best
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  • Profile picture of the author sirkaliber
    Don't give up, hang in there!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Giannetti
    I'll give you some advice...stop buying.

    Read forums such as this one and read what people post and how they generate cash online.

    Read and learn from people's experiences rather than the productts they are selling.
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  • Why should you loos hope while the hole universe is filled with opportunities for you? Internet marketing might require your careful search and analysis but all that is said is not a scam even though some programs happen to be pure scams. Here at the Warrior Forum you will see and receive directions for what you should do in order to succeed at your internet marketing efforts. But as for now my advice is for you not to give up hope.
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  • Make a plan and STICK to it... and the easiest way to do that is to find a niche that you are passionate about. That way it doesn't seem like a chore and you'll enjoy doing the work rather than resenting it.
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    • Profile picture of the author morninjoi
      I agree with most of the replies here. There is no scam in it at all. One of the ways to identify a newbie is by this kind of assumption unless you are being lazy about the whole thing.
      Take time and find out what you want to do. You create your site, build content, attach adsense or affiliate adverts and drive as much traffic as you can.
      If nothing happens, return to the forum and ask new questions.
      You also have to remember that there is a learning, implementing,testing before earning angle to all of this.
      Give it your time , patience and effort and you would see the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    In My opinion Stick to what you know,Even a small thing will give you better success
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  • Profile picture of the author brandon2664
    Why would you think internet marketing is scam?

    Im making $7,000 a month! You can do just buy my ebook! You can be a clickbank millionaire!

    Honestly, make your own product. I really don't think your gonna get rich selling ebooks or maybe i'm wrong, but I would never buy one. I took me 6 months to create my website. I learned everything html, css, and photoshop. It seems like everyone is selling gimmics on ugly squeeze pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdWordsAdviser
    One of the biggest mistakes that a lot of online marketeers make is that they buy all the fancy books and formulas, read them from cover to cover and then never put what they teach into action.

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  • Profile picture of the author unikk
    sometimes that happen to me too. :S
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    • Profile picture of the author smartlazy
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      Well... I'm pleasantly surprised by the quality and quantity of the replies to my posts. I would like to thank all those who took their time to give their valuable advice and suggestions. Although I may not be able to reply to each post individually, I'm thankful for all the wonderful replies especially those that encourages me to keep going on.

      Rest assured that I'm not quitting this whole IM thing. I will work harder and smarter to achieve my dreams of succeeding in Internet marketing. Once again, thank you and Merry Christmas!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Tan
    To be honest, I tend to think to myself if IM is a scam as well.
    But deep down inside, I know its not! There are many others including
    myself who are struggling. Do not quit so soon. I believe that we only
    fail when we quit. Follow the advice of the many senior warriors have
    given you and I am sure you will be successful.

    To your success,
    Kevin
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    Originally Posted by smartlazy View Post

    Sometimes I'm wondering if all this Internet marketing stuff is just a scam. I'm confused with all the information around that I don't know which one is legit and which one is fake. I'm trying to connect the dots but I'm getting more confused. I don't know where to start. I don't know which method I should stick to.
    The key here is just focus on one proven model. My suggestion...

    On the main forum, click the "ratings" link at the top of the forum posts. You'll then have all of the 5-star posts. Most of these posts contain content where the author (and contributors) give you their IM methodlogy or playbook to emulate. Just pick the one that looks like a good match for you and then just put the blinders on and take action.
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    Originally Posted by smartlazy View Post

    Sometimes I'm wondering if all this Internet marketing stuff is just a scam. I'm confused with all the information around that I don't know which one is legit and which one is fake. I'm trying to connect the dots but I'm getting more confused. I don't know where to start. I don't know which method I should stick to.
    Internet Marketing is not a scam. After all, the things you have bought on the internet...somebody gets that money right? If someone has sold you something on the internet, it means that internet marketing works! The question is - do "get rich quick schemes work"?
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  • Profile picture of the author ago
    you're suffering from OWTMI syndrome....Overloaded With Too Much Information

    Stop buying and reading too much, start applying what you've learned....and if you happen to fail, try it again, and again.

    Key#1......the so called "get rich quick"...that's a scam
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  • Profile picture of the author iSoftware
    Originally Posted by smartlazy View Post

    Sometimes I'm wondering if all this Internet marketing stuff is just a scam. I'm confused with all the information around that I don't know which one is legit and which one is fake. I'm trying to connect the dots but I'm getting more confused. I don't know where to start. I don't know which method I should stick to.
    This is common. Part of the problem is there aren't any rigidly held standards in the IM industry.


    I'm of the opinion that there needs to be some kind of "IM MBA for Newbies" course.

    The fact of the matter is, if you created a mind map, on the subject, really there are only 3 basic "buckets":

    -Traffic
    -A Product (yours or someone else's)
    -Conversions

    The issue for most people is that they come into the industry and they get deceived into thinking the only thing they really need is MORE TRAFFIC.

    Secondly, no one really spells out of for people how to go about determining WHICH TRAFFIC TECHNIQUE IS RIGHT FOR YOU.

    The biggest "secret" in the industry is that most successful companies and product owners use Affiliates as their no. 1 traffic source.

    Think about it.....

    The next time you get an email about a traffic source, who did it come from? Chances are from AN AFFILIATE.

    So think about those (3) things listed above. Then make a list of everything you know so far about those (3) things. THEN, start asking experienced people "what questions should I be asking about those (3) things..."

    Hope that helps.....
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  • Profile picture of the author kb24
    Do a search in google for "chris farrell membership review" I am not a mamber but I have heard good things about him.
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  • Profile picture of the author LauraJames
    If you let yourself lose hope, you'll quit trying to find a solution to the problems you're currently facing. Please do not allow this to happen. Stop trying to connect so many dots at once. The process takes time. I know from personal experience how difficult the process is, but it is definitely worth the effort. I am able to tell you this only because I did not give up. Don't deny yourself the chance to get to this point as well. Best wishes to you.
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