Is someone teaching Clickbank scams again?

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Everynow and then I get an embaressed email from someone who has tried to "modify" Clickbank sales info (please don't ask me how, because I'd prefer not to spread these dodgy ideas around) so they can "snap up a bargain".

I sell two products from the one Clickbank account - 1 for $147, 1 for $47. Two completely different products.

I've had two people in the last two days buy the cheap product thinking they're getting a cracking deal on the first product. They pay their money, and then sheepishly need to ask for refunds after they buy the wrong product, and find their download is blocked anyway.


I remember a long time ago this method was taught by dodgy people who considered themselves to be brilliant hackers, showing people how to "stick it to the man!"

Basically they're looking to exploit product listings to get the product cheaper.

There's some major flaws in this idea though:

1) When "sticking it to the man", you'll more often than not find yourself "sticking it to some guy who is just trying to make some extra money to help out his family". Most sites are run by sole traders - real people, trying to make some extra cash to support their family. Not faceless corporations, or trillionairs who won't notice the money gone.

2) Systems such as DLGuard protect against this sort of behaviour, blocking your download anyway, and you'll find yourself having to write an embaressing email to the site owner.

3) You can sometimes find yourself buying a totally different product if that vendor sells more than one product from the one Clickbank account, and then you'll find yourself having to write an embaressing email to the site owner.


I don't usually express my opinion on things too strongly, as I believe everyone has the right to their own opinion, but if you're new to all this, and you're following the words of a self-labelled "guru" who is teaching you this method of theft, unsubscribe from their mailing list.

Not only are they teaching you something that would probably be considered fraud/theft, but if they're teaching this method then they obviously don't have the experience to see the issues involved. Ie. You're learning from a beginner.

If you want to create a long term, solid business that will continue to earn for you well into the future, then you need to learn real business practices from real people. Taking shortcuts, using people, and exploiting people is the path to business failure.

On another note, Happy New Year!

cheers
Sam
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetWriter
    Ah I remember this stuff, I was like 12 when it happened.

    I understand BH but this is theft.

    PS. I remember a friend of mine trying this on paypal with a $2k ebook. Well let's just say paypal does not see him anymore
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Colle
    Well put Sam, I totally agree and see your the point in what you are saying. In fact I personally hate such "gurus", so if there is an email(luckily my spam filter hardly fails me) in my inbox that has anything to do with the heading "clickbank" no matter what the content is as far as I am concerned it is good for the trash bin without any hesitation.

    And sure such methods are not just fraud and theft but they are also affecting clickbank very much. If I personally know one of those gurus teaching such methods I will sell them out to the necessary authorities.

    So all you out there be warned maybe your next client will be an FBI agent trying to get proves of your fraudulent activities.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yadira Barbosa
    This not only happens on clickbank.

    I sell my own products via PayPal and I'm using DLGuard for the delivery, and several times somebody make the purchase and immediately make a PayPal complaint, then they try to download the product but DLGuard block it, and then contact me because they can't download!

    They are so dumb! And DLGuard its the best investment I made on the last 3 years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      I don't think Sam wrote this to get people to buy DLGuard, becasue he is not that kind of guy. But I do think he made DLGuard to help vendors prevent this thing from happening.

      DLGuard is a great product and if you sell downloadable things, it is simply one of the best investments you can make.
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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    Hi Michael,

    You're right - I posted this for a couple of reasons:

    1) To air some mild frustrations

    and

    2) To let people know that this kind of practice isn't actually a smart idea.

    It's certainly not unique to IM, but the IM industry does have a vocal minority of people that fully believe that they have the absolute right (and the responsibility) to use other people. The way to the top is to climb upon the corpses of all those who show weakness. Or something like that.

    A minority truely believe that if it's possible to scam, then you should go for it. Just check out some warez/hacking forums if you want to be amazed.

    I've seen discussions where people have outright stated that it's fine to do a 1 cent Paypal scam (ie. where you pay 1 cent for a Paypal product instead of it's labelled price), because you're still paying for it. So it's not theft.

    They're the same people that think it's okay to steal a product from someone's download page because "if they didn't want it stolen they should have protected it".

    That has all the legal and logical brain power behind it that would also dictate: It's okay to smash a shop's front window, and steal the TV, because if they didn't want it stolen they would have installed bars or a security grill.

    And yes, these people are allowed on the internet without mature supervision.


    Scamming Clickbank sales links I'd see as a "lesser crime", but it's still the same mentality: "I should get everything for free, but other people should pay me for my stuff."

    I remember seeing on a warez forum, as I was hunting down some posts about DLGuard, a conversation that sums this mentality up:

    Someone asked for a download link to someone's product (don't remember what it was - some kind of IM ebook from memory).

    Someone replied, posting a pirate download link to this product, and then he wished the first guy the best of luck with his business.

    That's right - they were stealing from other people's businesses, and then wishing each other luck with their own.

    I gave up trying to understand these kinds of people years ago.

    But the biggest lesson here is just not to worry about bottom feeding scum. They're in every industry, in every sector of life. See that rock next to you? Look under it, and you'll find one of them rocking back and forth and snickering to themselves, full of superiority and self congratulation, and self delusion.

    The thing to remember is the far majority of people in this industry and honest people trying to make some extra cash for their families.

    Not only is there are a huge amount of good people, but there are also absolute gems.

    Focus on the good in this industry, and we'll all lead happier lives.

    This post isn't meant to be about complaining about the scum suckers, it's more of a gentle warning to those just starting out:

    The decisions you make early on in your IM career will affect it for years to come. You yourself are a brand, and with each decision you make, you're building that brand.

    How do you want people to view you?

    And is a small slighty dodgy reward now worth deteriorating your brand for the rest of your career?

    cheers
    Sam
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