Massive Forum Profile Spamming Today

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I just further shut down the ability to do anything beneficial link wise when registering on my forums. You will not get a link of any kind, and if you have 0 posts, you will not appear in the member list. Your profile will have to approved by the admin assuming you don't already have your ip or email address blocked. You'll need a good hundred or so posts to think of having a signature link.

Profile spamming is a parasite to the web. There is so much more that is worthwhile one can be doing.

More and more websites will have a structure that grants privileges based on trust, and there will be "profiling" of people with a poor history.
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  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    So your not offering a "Massive Forum Profile Spamming" service?

    Actually, I must say it's really sad to see those un-moderated forums out there that have been overrun with spam, i't like graffiti on top of graffiti.

    Don't some forum operators tolerate insincere profiles just to get a more impressive membership counts?
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    • Profile picture of the author dvduval
      Originally Posted by webapex View Post

      So your not offering a "Massive Forum Profile Spamming" service?

      Actually, I must say it's really sad to see those un-moderated forums out there that have been overrun with spam, i't like graffiti on top of graffiti.

      Don't some forum operators tolerate insincere profiles just to get a more impressive membership counts?
      Nope, more and more I think getting a link on a worthwhile site is a privilege that must be earned. I have about 15 forums (a couple inactive) and not a single one has profile spam or is overrun. More and more link schemes are just going to get shut down, and where there is a scheme, google can easily see that and penalize the sites involved. Already seeing that happening. Google webmaster tools recently started including messages to webmasters about "unnatural" link patterns. Thumbs up on that!
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  • Profile picture of the author philipkwells
    Then again:

    Profile links from non-responsive members increases the member count for a forum.

    When a new visitor sees that a forum has a large member list, is he more likely to join than if he sees a "true quality" forum with only 10 members?

    I will say yes. He is more likely to join.

    Not a bad result for just a bunch of extra zeros and ones stored in a database that cost the forum owner not one penny more.

    Oh but the bandwidth-- some forum owners cry. If you can't handle the extra bandwidth, I say, why run a forum at all?

    Perhaps it would be wise to understand that the web is a large community in which people help each other out best way they can.

    Say, why run an article directory at all? I mean, it's not like any of the articles that get posted are quality literature-- are they? Just a bunch of dribble, right?

    But we do run such things as article directories. And when you need links for your website, you write an article, spin it... and use software to submit.

    It would be nice if we had the time to write 350 versions of an article by hand. And submit it by hand. But who has the time for that.

    Anything that yields links, even commenting on blogs, is an improvement over the old way of link-begging. You know, playing Blanche DuBois and relying on the kindness of strangers by writing to webmasters and "requesting" a link exchange.

    Even Google found that vulgar. They devalued reciprocal links, did they not?

    Just my thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    And then there are members who actually write something worthwhile such as an argument as you just did. I don't agree with it, but at least you made an effort to participate on the forum.

    Those extra profiles often have spam words in the usernames or links, and, at least on my forums, would serve to dissuade new members from joining as well as be bothersome to existing members. I have received complaints in the past.

    Maybe the bandwidth is less of an issue than time wasted by moderators and administrators who have better things to do. In our case there is little or no time wasted because we have shut it down.

    And more than in previous years most quality sites and forums have shut it down too. The remaining sites that are still allowing spam, whether that be purposeful or accidental, are easily spotted by google. Easily acquired links such as these have little or no value with google (increasingly), and are sure to reflect on the reputation of the sites involved over time, making rankings even more of a challenge when spammy link schemes are utilized.
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      time wasted by moderators and administrators who have better things to do. In our case there is little or no time wasted because we have shut it down..
      And that is a song i have been singing for some time, most of the sites being spammed have no idea these snake oil salesman are plastering crap all over the forums, they are charging the blind for posting this crap then the other end gets to clean the crap up.

      it is nearly a full time job just managing this type of spam, the people who peddle this crap should all just .... ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary King
        Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

        And funny thing is... they are mostly selling wonder potion.
        hmmm... cash transactions, no way to request a clickbank refund huh...

        Maybe that could help with the refund scammers, eh?


        Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

        it is nearly a full time job just managing this type of spam, the people who peddle this crap should all just .... ...
        Go ahead Pete, finish your sentence.
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      • Profile picture of the author dvduval
        Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

        And that is a song i have been singing for some time, most of the sites being spammed have no idea these snake oil salesman are plastering crap all over the forums, they are charging the blind for posting this crap then the other end gets to clean the crap up.

        it is nearly a full time job just managing this type of spam, the people who peddle this crap should all just .... ...
        Often the spam is borderline illegal with drugs from Canada to pornography on forums that have minors. There certainly could be cases where a WSO for profile spam is purchased for purpose of disseminating adult material to sites with minors, and kids are clicking on profile links and finding this stuff. It also could bring harm to these sites for linking to adult material or bad neighborhoods without their knowledge. Basically, they are selling links on sites they don't own and for the most part they are secretly adding the links without the permission of the owner. I don't know too many forum owners that would permit the type of profile spamming I've seen on my forums in the past.
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        • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
          Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

          Often the spam is borderline illegal with drugs from Canada to pornography on forums that have minors. There certainly could be cases where a WSO for profile spam is purchased for purpose of disseminating adult material to sites with minors, and kids are clicking on profile links and finding this stuff. .
          I cleaned one out yesterday who posted a heap of posts relating to rape, torture, incest and every other lovely thing you could think of, these were of course all peppered with graphic pictures to go with the titles, and on a open public forum.

          although those are rare in effect as many are just crap link building jobs peddled by snake oil salesman / in all of how clever they get people need to be even more clever to clear them out.

          I see a lot of it popping up here as well but the team here seem at least to be on top of most of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author philipkwells
    Did you happen to read recently that Facebook surpassed Google as the most visited site on the Internet? Maybe it was just a fluke, a once-off thing. But oh the dangers of playing God...

    As I understand it, they lost China, too. Or did they get it back? Tsk, tsk...

    I've often wondered what would happen if Google became the second most popular site on the Internet permanently. It would be kind of like coming in second in the Kentucky Derby, I suspect. An honor, to be sure, yet not quite the stuff headlines are made of.

    The point being that Google needs to spend less energy punishing and more energy on surviving. En guarde, Google!

    Anyhow, nice talking to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gerald Arno
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    I think that people go to crazy with leaving their link in signatures and profiles
    when opening a new account on a forum. To a particular point it´s ok, but when somebody starts opening 10 different account in one single forum and start leaving the same links in just a few day, it´s really massive spamming in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Anything that yields links, even commenting on blogs, is an improvement over the old way of link-begging. You know, playing Blanche DuBois and relying on the kindness of strangers by writing to webmasters and "requesting" a link exchange.

      Even Google found that vulgar. They devalued reciprocal links, did they not?
      I don't believe Google found that vulgar. I believe they devalued reciprocal links for the same reason they will devalue profile spamming forums. It's a gambit to game their system and devalue their results.

      If users find another way to search or another search engine they like better, it won't be because Google is punishing profile spammers. Unless you are buying ads, you have no effect on Google's profitability one way or the other.

      If Google really wanted to eliminate the vulgarity, they'd find a way to eliminate the profile spammers and link whores.
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  • Profile picture of the author howinfo
    Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

    I just further shut down the ability to do anything beneficial link wise when registering on my forums. You will not get a link of any kind.
    I just did the same thing another day. In spite of having thousands of IP addresses banned and many hundred of emails banned the spammers just keep coming. I must say that captcha did cut down over 60 - 70 percent of the spam but I still had to eliminate the signature permissions and private messages and even visitor messages for new members with low post count.

    With that huge volume of users I am very impressed how warrior forum keeps it so nicely under control.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    I don't believe profile spamming does very much at all to help it rankings. I think it is mostly hype. And at least on my forums, it will do absolutely nothing, because it won't be happening.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary King
      Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      I don't believe profile spamming does very much at all to help it rankings. I think it is mostly hype. And at least on my forums, it will do absolutely nothing, because it won't be happening.
      Yeah, but the zillion backlinks packets all say it's the instant way to riches, so it gets rammed down people's throats and they blindly follow the advice.

      Stinks to be the forum owners though.
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      • Profile picture of the author dvduval
        Originally Posted by Gary King View Post

        Yeah, but the zillion backlinks packets all say it's the instant way to riches, so it gets rammed down people's throats and they blindly follow the advice.

        Stinks to be the forum owners though.
        And funny thing is... they are mostly selling wonder potion.

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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    I run a forum as well, vbulletin. What a PITA it is to deal with spammers.

    My moderators get mad at me sometimes, it's like there's really nothing I can do. Well, since I'm using vbulletin I have SOME functionality, but not enough.

    For example, people are allowed to have sigs after they have a few posts, I keep it this way because most spammers, MOST, just sign up and spam away, rather than start posting. It does happen, where people start posting like idiots then put a sig link in, but less do that so it's easier to at least limit the sig file permissions.

    But, I CANT SEEM TO ELIMINATE the option to remove or disallow the 'home page' field in the profile area. Although they can't do the sig spamming, they still throw a link in the homepage field which pisses my moderators off.

    Anyone by any chance, know how to limit the ability to use the home page field in vbulletin profiles?
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    • Profile picture of the author dvduval
      Originally Posted by Adam Roy View Post


      But, I CANT SEEM TO ELIMINATE the option to remove or disallow the 'home page' field in the profile area. Although they can't do the sig spamming, they still throw a link in the homepage field which pisses my moderators off.

      Anyone by any chance, know how to limit the ability to use the home page field in vbulletin profiles?
      If you ask over on the vbulletin forums, I'm sure they will tell you. Seems like that is what I did. I don't remember the code change, but we removed this on some of the forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author coxcox
    Ok. There must have been hundreds of WSO:s teaching "forum profile spamming." And now THIS forum gets a taste of it.

    What's that Alanis Morissette song again? "Isn't it ironic..."
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    OMG A thread which both mentions a song which proves that Alanis Morissette has a terrible understanding of the English language and a song which stands as proof (if, after Wings, any was needed) that someone shot the wrong Beatle.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I sign up for your forum and it crashes a lot I am telling you. This is not good because it reflects badly on your program. It crashes when I hit the purchase button even. Please fix this as it will impact your sales in a very negative manner.
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  • Profile picture of the author fullmatrix
    I never liked profile link building. The footprints is too obvious and it's a waste of resources.
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