Double Optin or Single?

13 years ago

Originally Posted by indihow

Please suggest a free form submission service/script for getting Opt-ins.

If you are planning on having only a small list as a hobby, free might be okay. If you are using WordPress, a quick check there shows 22 plugins for the keyword "optin." And there are a variety of free optin scripts available on the web.

But from the standpoint of building a business, free seems like it would be a *really* expensive way to go for the longer term.

Marvin

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SamirSM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Marvin Johnston

If you are planning on having only a small list as a hobby, free might be okay. If you are using WordPress, a quick check there shows 22 plugins for the keyword "optin." And there are a variety of free optin scripts available on the web.

But from the standpoint of building a business, free seems like it would be a *really* expensive way to go for the longer term.

Marvin

Hi Marvin

I'm building a list of people interested in free SEO products, not necessarily to sell anything.

In that sense any form should do the trick, but I want the opinion of WF members!

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JulianKane

13 years ago

ALWAYS double opt-in for me should the need arise in the future to prove a sign up in a legal arena, lol.

Unless you plan on staying very small, spend the $20/month for a professional auto-responder service.

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SamirSM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dlackner

ALWAYS double opt-in for me should the need arise in the future to prove a sign up in a legal arena, lol.

Unless you plan on staying very small, spend the $20/month for a professional auto-responder service.

Got it. Double.

And please see my post below.

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WillR 13 years ago

Originally Posted by dlackner

ALWAYS double opt-in for me should the need arise in the future to prove a sign up in a legal arena, lol.

With single optin you still should have the I.P address of the person who signed up. You can't be held accountable if others have signed up using other people's email addresses.
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xXfighterXx

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JulianKane

ALWAYS double opt-in for me should the need arise in the future to prove a sign up in a legal arena, lol.

Unless you plan on staying very small, spend the $20/month for a professional auto-responder service.

This is also my opinion, i´ve been using such a service for just 12,99$/month (really cheap for such a great service).

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GarrieWilson

13 years ago

Search the forum. Pages and pages of opinions and stats (some real, some not).

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SamirSM 13 years ago

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

Search the forum. Pages and pages of opinions and stats (some real, some not).

Found one here:
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-downside.html
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buzz4me

13 years ago

i would suggest double opt in.

as of autoresponder service follow my sig.

we offer Free autoresponder

Free For Ever Plan: Up to 500 subscribers. Send up to 3,000 emails a month.

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SamirSM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by buzz4me

i would suggest double opt in.

as of autoresponder service follow my sig.

we offer Free autoresponder

Free For Ever Plan: Up to 500 subscribers. Send up to 3,000 emails a month.

Wow! Your service sounds amazing.

But I'd prefer a script on my own server.

Nothing personal, but I'd rather not leave open the possibility of list-hijack

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buzz4me

13 years ago

As a company with 2 datacenters (each with 300 racks) and over 10000 hosting clients. we have security measures in place for all our clients, partners

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100% safe and with good reputation with major global ISP`s

also if that was the case companies similar to ours and aweber.com and others wouldnt exist

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Originally Posted by indihow

Wow! Your service sounds amazing.

But I'd prefer a script on my own server.

Nothing personal, but I'd rather not leave open the possibility of list-hijack

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SamirSM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by buzz4me

As a company with 2 datacenters (each with 300 racks) and over 10000 hosting clients. we have security measures in place for all our clients, partners

YourNextHost.com - About Us

100% safe and with good reputation with major global ISP`s

also if that was the case companies similar to ours and aweber.com and others wouldnt exist

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Vasilis

Thanks for the facts. I'll go for yours if decide to change from feedburner

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Coby 13 years ago

Originally Posted by indihow

Wow! Your service sounds amazing.

But I'd prefer a script on my own server.

Nothing personal, but I'd rather not leave open the possibility of list-hijack

Your more likely to get "hi-jacked" on your own server as it would be much easier. AR companies rarely get hacked (I think aweber has been hacked twice in all its years). Plus they safe-guard you against Spam complaints. When hosting your own AR your domain can get blacklisted if you get too many people hitting the 'spam' button or if you have too many email bounces (as this looks spammy as well).

However, many people have hosted their own AR with no probs while others have lost servers and domains and more.

I have seen free AR scripts on scripts site before. I found them by searching for them on google. I wish I could remember the site, but they do exist. If you are using WordPress there are plugins that will do this for you also, just search for them within WP.

However, I recommend you get a professional AR, if money is tight check out Imnica, they offer 9 bux a month for up to 5k subscribers. Plus they might still have a WSO that lets you get it for cheaper. I use Imnica and its great. I've also used Aweber and if you have the extra cheddar they are probably the best around, and they integrate with everything.

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JennSpencerIM

13 years ago

I will not use double until I'm forced!!

Plus yeah spend money on autoresponder...best grand we spend every month!!

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SamirSM 13 years ago

Originally Posted by JennSpencerIM

I will not use double until I'm forced!! Plus yeah spend money on autoresponder...best grand we spend every month!!

A GRAND!

Must be a HUGE list

One for Single

btw I'm not really looking at a hard core IM list building, so would stick with a Free one for now.
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navyseal

13 years ago

Anyway, can you give me an Idea or picture out what is double optin...

Is it a pop up from your website then after they click it will open in a new window?

Or unlike ordinary optin it will just show your optin form then after you fill the name and email it will take you to download page? But not open in a new window.

Im a bit confuse.

What's the difference about double optin? Please help me picture out.

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SamirSM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by navyseal

Anyway, can you give me an Idea or picture out what is double optin...

Is it a pop up from your website then after they click it will open in a new window?

Or unlike ordinary optin it will just show your optin form then after you fill the name and email it will take you to download page? But not open in a new window.

Im a bit confuse.

What's the difference about double optin? Please help me picture out.

Thanks! Not everything on this world like me knows everything.

It means the member has confirmed a link in the email you sent to verify his/her email ID.

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gottahave

13 years ago

Originally Posted by indihow

It means the member has confirmed a link in the email you sent to verify his/her email ID.

More importantly, you have a record of the confirmation if you're ever accused of spamming.

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SamirSM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by gottahave

More importantly, you have a record of the confirmation if you're ever accused of spamming.

Neil

Well in that case, if I use a script on my own server, and maintain the list in an SQL file, would I not be able to add/modify the entries at will?

Then is a self-hosted script not a legally valid option?

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gottahave

13 years ago

The problem with a self hosted autoresponder script is that most web hosts restrict you in sending out approx 300 emails per hour. With only a 1000list, that will take over 3 hours without there being any hiccups in the process.

Neil

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buzz4me

13 years ago

if they are AR`s that anyone can buy from the web from $100 and upto $100 yes thats true.

but also there are custom enterprise level MTA`s - AR`s solutions that someone would pay form starting price tag of $20.000 and up based on users, emails per hour, features, add-ons, and if they are cabale to scale to cluster level.

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Originally Posted by gottahave

The problem with a self hosted autoresponder script is that most web hosts restrict you in sending out approx 300 emails per hour. With only a 1000list, that will take over 3 hours without there being any hiccups in the process.

Neil

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SamirSM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by gottahave

The problem with a self hosted autoresponder script is that most web hosts restrict you in sending out approx 300 emails per hour. With only a 1000list, that will take over 3 hours without there being any hiccups in the process.

Neil

Got the point. Thanks.

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Phillip King 13 years ago

I have tried both single and double opt-in and here is what I have found. You can build a larger list faster with single opt in but for me the quality of the list tends to be not as good.

So I guess to answer your question, for me, double opt-in only. And for sure use a reputable professional autoresponder service.

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Keithsco

13 years ago

My own experiences say double = retention and single does not. If they are prepared to confirm then they are more likely to be genuinely wanting whatever it is you got as opposed to tire kickers

same with captcha

interspire has captcha and that stops a LOT of spam

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SamirSM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Keithsco

My own experiences say double = retention and single does not. If they are prepared to confirm then they are more likely to be genuinely wanting whatever it is you got as opposed to tire kickers

same with captcha

interspire has captcha and that stops a LOT of spam

Agreed!

Then I guess feedburner is just fine for me. With Captcha and all.

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Coby

13 years ago

I'm sorry. I forgot to answer the original questions of single vs. double optin.

I use both, but I prefer single opt-in. However sometimes single opt-in is not the best way. For example, I have software I give away and I want to ensure that I have their correct email so I use double confirmation. I don't care if I lose a few subscribers, because they will "lose" the software.

However, for my general IM lists I use single optin because sometime people get jazzed up and sign up for something and don't want to go to their email right away and keep surfing and then they forget and maybe your message goes to spam so they never confirm or look for your email.

However, if you are going to host from your own server then I would suggest you use nothing but DOUBLE opt-in because when you host your own AR you are always at risk.

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alcymart

13 years ago

I suggest you use single opt-in only if you follow the CAN-SPAM rules.

CAN-SPAM Act

Mailings are CAN-SPAM compliant if:

the subject line is not misleading and advertisements are clearly labeled as such;
the email headers, sending email address and other identifiers in
the headers have not been tampered with in order to conceal your
identity;
the body of the email contains a valid physical address for
the sender; and
the email contains a functioning opt-out mechanism, and opt out
requests are honored within 10 business days of receipt of that
request.

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Although more qualified, double opt-ins will yield much less subscribers and sales.

And lastly, PM me and ask me for a free full featured PHP MySQL backend Unlimited Auto-responder/Mailing List script, and you won't have anymore issues with opt-ins.

Oh, It will create the form code to put in your HTML document. Also has broadcast feature and much more...

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SamirSM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by alcymart

I suggest you use single opt-in only if you follow the CAN-SPAM rules.

CAN-SPAM Act

Mailings are CAN-SPAM compliant if:

the subject line is not misleading and advertisements are clearly labeled as such;
the email headers, sending email address and other identifiers in
the headers have not been tampered with in order to conceal your
identity;
the body of the email contains a valid physical address for
the sender; and
the email contains a functioning opt-out mechanism, and opt out
requests are honored within 10 business days of receipt of that
request.

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Although more qualified, double opt-ins will yield much less subscribers and sales.

And lastly, PM me and ask me for a free full featured PHP MySQL backend Unlimited Auto-responder/Mailing List script, and you won't have anymore issues with opt-ins.

Oh, It will create the form code to put in your HTML document. Also has broadcast feature and much more...

Thanks for the offer, but I will stick with Feedburner OR use another remotely hosted AR. Don't wanna take any risks with my domain names / hosting account.

Another question. If I send an email (other than the daily update of blog posts) to my Feedburner subscribers, do I always need to add the unsubscribe link?