Mass Money Makers - Record ClickBank Gravity 1932.06

by Dmaind
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Hello Guys,

Top internet marketers Matt Bacak and Alen Sultanic launched Mass Money Maker on 28th December. In 10 days gravity has grown to 1932.06.

Do you guys think it will reach the 2000 gravity mark?

D Maind
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  • Profile picture of the author The Blueprinter
    WOW! That is fantastic! What is the record on gravity on clickbank? Witch product has the highest gravity in history?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
      Originally Posted by The Blueprinter View Post

      WOW! That is fantastic! What is the record on gravity on clickbank? Witch product has the highest gravity in history?
      I think It was Auto Mass Traffic with 1246 gravity.

      I wonder how these people repeat the success over and over again.


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      • Profile picture of the author foxlobo123
        Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

        I wonder how these people repeat the success over and over again.


        D Maind

        My opinion would be
        " To target Get Rich Quick People, mostly newbies like me - write Super Hypey Push Button get $7,176 a day salesletters "
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        • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
          Originally Posted by foxlobo123 View Post

          My opinion would be
          " To target Get Rich Quick People, mostly newbies like me - write Super Hypey Push Button get $7,176 a day salesletters "
          Ha ha ha... Its not as simple as its sound.
          But on serious note, there is a trend coming in about these 3 step push button software.
          Lately I have seen tons of those in CB marketplace.

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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

            Ha ha ha... Its not as simple as its sound.
            But on serious note, there is a trend coming in about these 3 step push button software.
            Lately I have seen tons of those in CB marketplace.

            D Maind
            I just can't believe that he would stoop to such lows in marketing his latest product. I suppose that the profits are just too attractive to ignore with such a proven formula, and even with the inevitable refund requests that he'll be getting soon, I'm sure his product will be tremendously profitable.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
              Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

              I just can't believe that Matt would stoop to such lows in marketing his latest product. I suppose that the profits are just too attractive to ignore with such a proven formula, and even with the inevitable refund requests that he'll be getting soon, I'm sure his product will be tremendously profitable.
              These people are churning millions. Also these kind of gravity gives us a BIGGER picture of internet marketing. This shows where we are heading in 2011.

              Sad thing is people are ready to buy these money making guides, software, scripts but they are not ready to put it in action.

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              • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

                These people are churning millions. Also these kind of gravity gives us a BIGGER picture of internet marketing. This shows where we are heading in 2011.

                Sad thing is people are ready to buy these money making guides, software, scripts but they are not ready to put it in action.

                D Maind
                True, and it's a sad state of affairs when you see internet marketing headed this way. His product is probably a decent one, but it definitely won't stand up to the ridiculously overhyped claims in the sales copy.

                The end result will be many disgruntled and disillusioned newbies, and it already seems like some are starting to spill into this forum.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
                  Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                  His product is probably a decent one, but it definitely won't stand up to the ridiculously overhyped claims in the sales copy.

                  The end result will be many disgruntled and disillusioned newbies, and it already seems like some are starting to spill into this forum.
                  This is what lead the industry with procrastination and information overload. Due to hype people don't take action and get overwhelmed with information.

                  But this is how the industry is, here we can only sell larger than life pictures.
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                  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                    Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

                    This is what lead the industry with procrastination and information overload. Due to hype people don't take action and get overwhelmed with information.

                    But this is how the industry is, here we can only sell larger than life pictures.
                    There are other things people in the IM niche can sell, and many don't realize that MMO is just a sub-niche within a bigger niche (IM).

                    The Gurus will be peddling this kind of crap until it just doesn't sell anymore, or some rules are set in place expressly prohibiting this type of deceptive marketing.
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              • Profile picture of the author BrandonLee
                Personally I think we are very near the end of a cycle and what we are seeing here is a blow off top, very similar to what happened in the stock market in say 1999 and early 2000 and in real estate around 2004 to 2005.


                Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

                These people are churning millions. Also these kind of gravity gives us a BIGGER picture of internet marketing. This shows where we are heading in 2011.

                Sad thing is people are ready to buy these money making guides, software, scripts but they are not ready to put it in action.

                D Maind
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                • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                  Originally Posted by BrandonLee View Post

                  Personally I think we are very near the end of a cycle and what we are seeing here is a blow off top, very similar to what happened in the stock market in say 1999 and early 2000 and in real estate around 2004 to 2005.
                  We could be very well seeing a bubble here that may burst, so it's always good to diversify and not just remain stuck in the IM niche - there are vast and profitable niches beyond just IM, and some internet marketers have to lose this tunnel vision and see the bigger picture here.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
                  Originally Posted by BrandonLee View Post

                  Personally I think we are very near the end of a cycle and what we are seeing here is a blow off top, very similar to what happened in the stock market in say 1999 and early 2000 and in real estate around 2004 to 2005.
                  I don't see its going any where in this decade atleast. May be the medium is going to change but people are going to buy their dreams.

                  IM industry is a more like a Cinema industry now. Every Friday dozens of big movies enter in a cinema hall and in a week they vanishes.

                  There are good percentage of Internet marketers who buy products to feed their brains with latest industry information and this trend will grow...
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                  • Profile picture of the author BrandonLee
                    It would be an interesting discussion to have, I'm sure it would be a lively debate.

                    I'm not saying that MMO is dead, far from it - and if the government is right with their estimations that it's going to be 4 to 6 years before the economy starts to recover more and more people are going to be looking for a solution to their economic problems. So, MMO is not dead...but the way we are seeing things being promoted now, I suspect we are nearing the end of that. I always reserve the right to be wrong of course...but thats my opinion.

                    Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

                    I don't see its going any where in this decade atleast. May be the medium is going to change but people are going to buy their dreams.

                    IM industry is a more like a Cinema industry now. Every Friday dozens of big movies enter in a cinema hall and in a week they vanishes.

                    There are good percentage of Internet marketers who buy products to feed their brains with latest industry information and this trend will grow...
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
                      Originally Posted by BrandonLee View Post

                      It would be an interesting discussion to have, I'm sure it would be a lively debate.

                      I'm not saying that MMO is dead, far from it - and if the government is right with their estimations that it's going to be 4 to 6 years before the economy starts to recover more and more people are going to be looking for a solution to their economic problems. So, MMO is not dead...but the way we are seeing things being promoted now, I suspect we are nearing the end of that. I always reserve the right to be wrong of course...but thats my opinion.
                      You have a point here, If economy comes on track it will surly affect on MMO niche. May be at that time MMO will have a re-correction about all the major numbers and records.
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                      • Profile picture of the author WillR
                        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                        I just can't believe that Matt would stoop to such lows in marketing his latest product. I suppose that the profits are just too attractive to ignore with such a proven formula, and even with the inevitable refund requests that he'll be getting soon, I'm sure his product will be tremendously profitable.
                        Paulie,

                        Don't forget the number one rule of this forum... no name bashing.

                        The main overriding rule for this forum is this:

                        If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Gary King
                        Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

                        You have a point here, If economy comes on track it will surly affect on MMO niche. May be at that time MMO will have a re-correction about all the major numbers and records.
                        Maybe so, yes... but there will always be a market looking for 1-2-3 or whatever replaces those current trends.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
                          Originally Posted by Gary King View Post

                          Maybe so, yes... but there will always be a market looking for 1-2-3 or whatever replaces those current trends.
                          Agreed! Even I believe that there will be trend for some thing similar after 1 2 3 slows down.

                          Funny thing is I have a product in gaming niche which have a similar 1-2-3 kind of landing page. No doubt it converts like a wild fire!
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          • Profile picture of the author Gary King
            Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

            Ha ha ha... Its not as simple as its sound.
            But on serious note, there is a trend coming in about these 3 step push button software.
            Lately I have seen tons of those in CB marketplace.

            D Maind

            That trend has been around for some time and IMHO isn't going away ANY time soon... people buy the dream... they take the path of least resistance, so a 2-step push button will be more enticing to people than the 3-step push button.

            The ONLY 200 WILL BE SOLD - EVER! trick of false-scarcity has been around for years as well - discussed at great lengths here on the forum.

            Marketers are COUNTING on three things with the scarcity technique:

            1) There's fresh "meat" coming into the market daily that won't know about the fake side of it

            2) There's a group that won't notice the "remaining copies" number or won't care if it's the same when they come back

            3) That the urgent nature of a dwindling number of something is powerful... people want what they can't have, so the thought of "missing out" is a strong motivator, even if in the back of our minds we know it's not real.
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            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by Gary King View Post

              That trend has been around for some time and IMHO isn't going away ANY time soon... people buy the dream... they take the path of least resistance, so a 2-step push button will be more enticing to people than the 3-step push button.

              The ONLY 200 WILL BE SOLD - EVER! trick of false-scarcity has been around for years as well - discussed at great lengths here on the forum.

              Marketers are COUNTING on three things with the scarcity technique:

              1) There's fresh "meat" coming into the market daily that won't know about the fake side of it

              2) There's a group that won't notice the "remaining copies" number or won't care if it's the same when they come back

              3) That the urgent nature of a dwindling number of something is powerful... people want what they can't have, so the thought of "missing out" is a strong motivator, even if in the back of our minds we know it's not real.
              Exactly Gary, this trend seemed to really surface last summer when what seemed like a syndicate of UK marketers started pushing this "1-2-3" pushbutton concept really hard (together with the fake scarcity).

              The really big Gurus have noticed this, and are also jumping on the trend now. I suppose they think there's more than enough fresh newbies just learning about IM who'll snap up this crap, and they may very well be correct about this in today's extended and depressed economy.
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              • Profile picture of the author Gary King
                Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                Exactly Gary, this trend seemed to really surface last summer when what seemed like a syndicate of UK marketers started pushing this "1-2-3" pushbutton concept really hard (together with the fake scarcity).

                The really big Gurus have noticed this, and are also jumping on the trend now. I suppose they think there's more than enough fresh newbies just learning about IM who'll snap up this crap, and they may very well be correct about this in today's extended and depressed economy.
                Yes Paulie, agreed that it's booming, but I can remember way too many years ago with packages that said very, very similar things... I won't name names, because a few of the marketers that sold them are still around (sorta) but lots of money was made selling things that let you push a few buttons and do x - create software, gain traffic, etc.
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                • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                  Originally Posted by Gary King View Post

                  Yes Paulie, agreed that it's booming, but I can remember way too many years ago with packages that said very, very similar things... I won't name names, because a few of the marketers that sold them are still around (sorta) but lots of money was made selling things that let you push a few buttons and do x - create software, gain traffic, etc.
                  Agreed Gary, this deceptive form of marketing has been around in one way or another for a long time now. What I'm specifically referring to is the "1-2-3" pushbutton concept, with 3 little graphic boxes denoting the 3 "simple" steps to make money overnight. This specific form of salesletter seemed to have really taken off last summer when a group of marketers from the UK all started using it with an almost identical structure and format - and now it has spread across the pond over here...lol!

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                  • Profile picture of the author Gary King
                    Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                    Agreed Gary, this deceptive form of marketing has been around in one way or another for a long time now. What I'm specifically referring to is the "1-2-3" pushbutton concept, with 3 little graphic boxes denoting the 3 "simple" steps to make money overnight. This specific form of salesletter seemed to have really taken off last summer when a group of marketers from the UK all started using it with an almost identical structure and format - and now it has spread across the pond over here...lol!

                    Paul
                    Gotcha Paul... similar to more helpful breadcrumb kind of things - add something to your shopping cart at Amazon for example - at the top you'll see "sign-in", "shipping and payment", "gift wrap", "place order"...

                    Leading the herd around by the nose ring... tell them exactly what to do, right?
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                    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                      Originally Posted by Gary King View Post

                      Gotcha Paul... similar to more helpful breadcrumb kind of things - add something to your shopping cart at Amazon for example - at the top you'll see "sign-in", "shipping and payment", "gift wrap", "place order"...

                      Leading the herd around by the nose ring... tell them exactly what to do, right?
                      Those "1-2-3" graphics must really convert well, as it now seems like every marketer and his brother is doing something similar! I guess they're pretty eye-catching and convey how "simple" the method is to use far better than any sales copy ever could. It seems to have spread like wildfire, let's hope the newbies wise up sooner rather than later.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
                        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                        Those "1-2-3" graphics must really convert well, as it now seems like every marketer and his brother is doing something similar! I guess they're pretty eye-catching and convey how "simple" the method is to use far better than any sales copy ever could. It seems to have spread like wildfire, let's hope the newbies wise up sooner rather than later!

                        Paul
                        Once people get bored with these type of graphics soon the copy will stop converting. I think this trend can't last more than 6 months from here.
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                        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                          Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

                          Once people get bored with these type of graphics soon the copy will stop converting. I think this trend can't last more than 6 months from here.
                          Unfortunately, this trend has already lasted longer than that. As I've mentioned earlier, this started early last summer. I don't doubt that it will probably end quite soon, though.
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                            Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                            Unfortunately, this trend has already lasted longer than that. As I've mentioned earlier, this started early last summer. I don't doubt that it will probably end quite soon, though.
                            I said 6 months from here.. But as you said it might go even longer.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
                              Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

                              I said 6 months from here.. But as you said it might go even longer.
                              This "trend" isn't one at all.

                              When I started IM 4 years ago the sales letters looked the same. (and I've seen and heard "Simple as 1-2-3" forever in TV, Print, online...)

                              It won't end because it's based on psychological selling. There are certain aspects of selling that are timeless.

                              One is that people are lazy and want the easiest possible path. You can see this inside the Warrior Forum WSO section.

                              The WSO's that make the most are those that cater specifically to this dream.

                              A WSO that says "I'm going to show you how to take 1 year and build a solid business" won't sell near as well.

                              I've heard people say, in response to the offer above - "Wow, that sales letter is REFRESHING". Problem is, refreshing doesn't sell.


                              Regardless of what you think of Matt's product - people will continue to buy these things because that is what they want. They don't want to work hard or smart. They want a button. Matt and others provide a button.

                              When the button breaks (as it always does), they get angry and feel "scammed".

                              But guess what happens when you approach them and say "ok, well here is a real way to make money - and what it takes - building a business". They turn and say "I don't want a business, I just want to make some money"

                              Sounds like a lesson not learned, eh?


                              My point being - there is no bubble that will crash. The market might shrink as numbers lower, but there will always be those who don't want to work for something and are willing to pay for a button.

                              Rob
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                              • Profile picture of the author Gary King
                                Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                                Agreed Gary, this deceptive form of marketing has been around in one way or another for a long time now. What I'm specifically referring to is the "1-2-3" pushbutton concept, with 3 little graphic boxes denoting the 3 "simple" steps to make money overnight. This specific form of salesletter seemed to have really taken off last summer when a group of marketers from the UK all started using it with an almost identical structure and format - and now it has spread across the pond over here...lol!

                                Paul
                                Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

                                This "trend" isn't one at all.

                                When I started IM 4 years ago the sales letters looked the same. (and I've seen and heard "Simple as 1-2-3" forever in TV, Print, online...)

                                It won't end because it's based on psychological selling. There are certain aspects of selling that are timeless.

                                One is that people are lazy and want the easiest possible path. You can see this inside the Warrior Forum WSO section.

                                The WSO's that make the most are those that cater specifically to this dream.

                                A WSO that says "I'm going to show you how to take 1 year and build a solid business" won't sell near as well.

                                I've heard people say, in response to the offer above - "Wow, that sales letter is REFRESHING". Problem is, refreshing doesn't sell.


                                Regardless of what you think of Matt's product - people will continue to buy these things because that is what they want. They don't want to work hard or smart. They want a button. Matt and others provide a button.

                                When the button breaks (as it always does), they get angry and feel "scammed".

                                But guess what happens when you approach them and say "ok, well here is a real way to make money - and what it takes - building a business". They turn and say "I don't want a business, I just want to make some money"

                                Sounds like a lesson not learned, eh?


                                My point being - there is no bubble that will crash. The market might shrink as numbers lower, but there will always be those who don't want to work for something and are willing to pay for a button.

                                Rob

                                Hey Rob, agreed - folks want the easy path... FWIW, see Paul's post above, he's talking about a very specific model.

                                Solid input from you as always man.
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                          • Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                            Unfortunately, this trend has already lasted longer than that. As I've mentioned earlier, this started early last summer. I don't doubt that it will probably end quite soon, though.
                            It didnt start last summer. I saw it two years ago in forex products.
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    • Profile picture of the author foxlobo123
      It's really amazing! Since day 1, the salesletter said there's only 200 copies!
      Wow ! CLAP CLAP! Congratulations Matt Backak!

      Can 200 copies gave that high of gravity?

      ( is he lying? )
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      • Profile picture of the author Lazy
        Originally Posted by foxlobo123 View Post

        It's really amazing! Since day 1, the salesletter said there's only 200 copies!
        Wow ! CLAP CLAP! Congratulations Matt Backak!

        Can 200 copies gave that high of gravity?

        ( is he lying? )
        Well, gravity is the number of affiliates that have made a sale in the last 60 days. So yes.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
        Originally Posted by foxlobo123 View Post

        It's really amazing! Since day 1, the salesletter said there's only 200 copies!
        Wow ! CLAP CLAP! Congratulations Matt Backak!

        Can 200 copies gave that high of gravity?

        ( is he lying? )
        This particular scarcity technique sounds stupid but it works. Actually it gives us a lesson how to use it effectively.

        D Maind
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        • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
          Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

          This particular scarcity technique sounds stupid but it works. Actually it gives us a lesson how to use it effectively.

          D Maind
          I often see it called a 'scarcity technique', which is fine when it's true, but when it's not true, don't call it scarcity technique, call it what it is, which is 'lying'.

          The best lesson you can get from this is to *not* use it, you do not need to lie to make money, keep your integrity!
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      • Profile picture of the author BrandonLee
        I ordered a CD from Time Life Books the other night about 8 minutes after the commercial was on TV, but they told me I had to act with in five or I wouldn't get the discount. I was still given the discount. Dirty liars!


        Originally Posted by foxlobo123 View Post

        It's really amazing! Since day 1, the salesletter said there's only 200 copies!
        Wow ! CLAP CLAP! Congratulations Matt Backak!

        Can 200 copies gave that high of gravity?

        ( is he lying? )
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          Originally Posted by BrandonLee View Post

          I ordered a CD from Time Life Books the other night about 8 minutes after the commercial was on TV, but they told me I had to act with in five or I wouldn't get the discount. I was still given the discount. Dirty liars!
          Actually, the infomercials normally state, "Order in x minutes and get the discount." They won't say you have to order in 5 minutes. Watch the commercial again to see which one they say.
          Time Life has been at this game for a long time and it seems they would take great care not to say anything that would bring the FTC down on them. When I was in the corporate world, legal had to approve all our ads before we could run them.
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    Just my luck..... I was going to promote them when they first came out but I backed out because I thought it was a bad product lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
      Originally Posted by Amy Garrison View Post

      Just my luck..... I was going to promote them when they first came out but I backed out because I thought it was a bad product lol
      I discussed with my IM friends most of them were saying its converting like crazy. Some of them had got $4 EPC.

      Still its not to late to try your luck, if you have a list then you can taste the water.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lazy
      Originally Posted by Amy Garrison View Post

      Just my luck..... I was going to promote them when they first came out but I backed out because I thought it was a bad product lol
      well we haven't seen the refund rate yet. you may have been right.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Lazy View Post

        well we haven't seen the refund rate yet. you may have been right.
        For individual affiliates it might very well be an issue, but on an overall basis for Matt, I think he'll still end up with a very profitable launch.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Very often, the products that have the highest gravities are the ones with a huge number of affiliates each accredited with a single referred sale. What's normally happened with these products is that they're applicable to existing Clickbank affiliates, who have each bought one copy through their own affiliate link. Nothing (legitimate) inflates the gravity quite like that!

          It's true that a product with a legitimately acquired gravity of 2,000 must have sold at least 2,000 copies, but it isn't necessarily true that it's sold any more than that (though I don't doubt that this product has!).

          Of course, there are also many subfusc-headwear ways of artificially inflating a product's gravity figure in an attempt to attract gullible affiliates who imagine that there's some correlation between a high gravity and the conversion-rate, but we don't discuss those here.
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          • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Very often, the products that have the highest gravities are the ones with a huge number of affiliates each accredited with a single referred sale. What's normally happened with these products is that they're applicable to existing Clickbank affiliates, who have each bought one copy through their own affiliate link. Nothing (legitimate) inflates the gravity quite like that!

            It's true that a product with a legitimately acquired gravity of 2,000 must have sold at least 2,000 copies, but it isn't necessarily true that it's sold any more than that (though I don't doubt that this product has!).

            Of course, there are also many subfusc-headwear ways of artificially inflating a product's gravity figure in an attempt to attract gullible affiliates who imagine that there's some correlation between a high gravity and the conversion-rate, but we don't discuss those here.
            You hit the nail on the head perfectly. Sad to say but Perls of wisdom like this often get ignored by the majority of people, including the majority of the posters in this thread already, and those who will only read the original post and ignore the rest.

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          • Profile picture of the author Jay norestin
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            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Very often, the products that have the highest gravities are the ones with a huge number of affiliates each accredited with a single referred sale. What's normally happened with these products is that they're applicable to existing Clickbank affiliates, who have each bought one copy through their own affiliate link. Nothing (legitimate) inflates the gravity quite like that!

            It's true that a product with a legitimately acquired gravity of 2,000 must have sold at least 2,000 copies, but it isn't necessarily true that it's sold any more than that (though I don't doubt that this product has!).

            Of course, there are also many subfusc-headwear ways of artificially inflating a product's gravity figure in an attempt to attract gullible affiliates who imagine that there's some correlation between a high gravity and the conversion-rate, but we don't discuss those here.
            I dont talk with Matt Bacak but Im cool with alen sultanic they sold over 24k copies so far..
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      • Profile picture of the author JHC81
        Originally Posted by Lazy View Post

        well we haven't seen the refund rate yet. you may have been right.
        True... I guess we'll have to see, if return rate will be low I might have to promote it to my list.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    A while back, I saw a thread, right on this very forum, which told people how you can easily inflate your gravity by simply signing up as your own affiliate over and over again. Ever since then I have paid little attention to the gravity score.

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  • Profile picture of the author MWGrubb58
    Unfortunately, the trend continues... make easy money by pushing a few buttons...

    What bothers me is the point of the copy that says limits to 200 copies, etc. Or sale stops in five minutes.

    One of the nice things here is that when you make a sale via WSO, there are rules you have to follow. Is there hype? Sure. But you don't have the same amount as these guys.

    It's one thing to hook the reader with an effective headline... another to just lie.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I really think it's time Clickbank changed the name of their Gravity score. It should now be known as the Hype Indicator.

    That's all it really is...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    It's at 2013 Gravity now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I'm actually going to make an issue of this on my blog and in my newsletter.

      This bull sh*t has to stop.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Can somebody please point me to the page that says 200 copies only?

        I don't want to have to give them my email address or wade through their
        BS video.

        Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky View Post

          Mass Money Makers

          It says "Next 183 Downloads Available" at the bottom
          That doesn't mean only 200 will be sold. Hell, I don't even know what
          that means.

          It could mean "The next 183 downloads are now available" and then in the
          future, another X number of downloads will be available.

          This is not the same thing as saying "Only 200 of these will be sold...PERIOD."

          So point me to where they specifically say that only X number of copies
          will be sold.
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          • Profile picture of the author Zero
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            That doesn't mean only 200 will be sold. Hell, I don't even know what
            that means.

            It could mean "The next 183 downloads are now available" and then in the
            future, another X number of downloads will be available.

            This is not the same thing as saying "Only 200 of these will be sold...PERIOD."

            So point me to where they specifically say that only X number of copies
            will be sold.
            3 Images.
            1 clearly states Only 200 Copies will be sold
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            Are we honestly meant to believe that he hasn't sold 200 of these since he wrote it in the copy? I'm sure he's selling that many if not more per day easily.

            Next 200 downloads:
            http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3471/200part2.png

            This says it'll be pulled on January 7th 2011 - which of course was yesterday. But don't hold ur breath on the site ever being pulled. It'll be a permenant fixture

            http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/933/200part3.png
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary King
          Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky View Post


          It says "Next 183 Downloads Available" at the bottom

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  • Profile picture of the author jrafique
    Gravity has gone over 2k. Its 2013 now. I was on 48th position on 7 days contest. Made me few thousands dollar.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    Affiliate Marketing has suddenly risen from the dead.

    Interesting! I can't wait to hear the success stories.
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  • Profile picture of the author WilliamLark
    seems to be very hot as an affiliate I have made 24 sales in 5 days. Looks interesting but have not purchased for myself. I f anyone has would be awesome if they would share there results with us warriors
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
    On the JV page, matt said he was going for 20,000 front end units so I imagine that is going to get achieved at some point. That's not counting all the back end sales as well. But be quick, there's only 199 left.....

    The power of hype girls and boys is a wonderful thing if you're on the right side of the fence -

    It has actually gone over 2000 gravity now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zero
    Its disgraceful that someone says Only 200 Copies on their sales page but has sold 1000s. Its an outright lie.
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  • Profile picture of the author blueboy9
    Maybe they're too busy cashing checks to keep the tally graphic updated! Seriously though, there's a lot of moral high ground being represented in this thread, as if psychological marketing techniques are a brand new concept.

    The biggest retailers in the world do "1-Day Only!!!" sales every week but I don't see the moralists boycotting them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zero
      Originally Posted by blueboy9 View Post

      Maybe they're too busy cashing checks to keep the tally graphic updated! Seriously though, there's a lot of moral high ground being represented in this thread, as if psychological marketing techniques are a brand new concept.

      The biggest retailers in the world do "1-Day Only!!!" sales every week but I don't see the moralists boycotting them.
      Yes but those sales only last 1 day. The following day that sale is gone, until maybe the following week.

      Great copywriters like Gary Halbert & co have said time and time again, if you've built in scarcity into your offer - THEN DON'T LIE. If you say 200 copies - then you pull the offer at 200. This is outright lying. Its a matter of principle. If you have no problem using dishonest scarcity tactics - then who knows what else you have no problem doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    hmmm I like what steve is saying
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  • Profile picture of the author blueboy9
    So then the issue is the duration of the lie and not the morality of it? A lie is a lie, the degree of which being only a matter of perspective.

    I'm just shocked to see one campaign being picked apart for a misleading sales image when this kind of salesmanship permeates our everyday lives. The WSO forum is full of blatantly misleading headlines with even worse content. I don't see a thread for each of them arguing the morality.
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