My Attitude to these IM products

by rkcc4
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I am not stupid, I do not expect to rake in millions or even thousands without a little work, but what I really hate is being told the same tripe you would get in any SEO book and being told it is some new amazing secret.

So my attitude is simple, teach me one thing that I did not know before, something I can actually use and not just an affilated product you make money from an I will gladly pay your charge AND may even go for the upsell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bingo123
    Couldn't agree with you more. Personally I only promote internet marketing tools that I actually use myself. As an Amazon affiliate I couldn't possibly use every product first, but I only select products that have good reviews and comments by others.

    But when it comes to internet marketing I find that I am more likely to purchase a product from someone that is recommending it from experience rather than just pitching some sales email they got from the product creator. I apply this to my own IM strategy as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lazy
    I try and stay out of the big clickbank bizopp affiliate products. Even if people think they work, I always feel a little dirty when reading the sales page. They just scream scam.

    I'd rather promote tangible goods, like stuff on amazon, or my own tshirts on zazzle.com
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    Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

    I am not stupid, I do not expect to rake in millions or even thousands without a little work, but what I really hate is being told the same tripe you would get in any SEO book and being told it is some new amazing secret.

    So my attitude is simple, teach me one thing that I did not know before, something I can actually use and not just an affilated product you make money from an I will gladly pay your charge AND may even go for the upsell.
    One man's trash is another man's treasure.

    What may be old for you might be brand new to someone else.


    Finally, if you've been around the block, so to speak, eventually ALL of it is old news. At that point, it's time to stop buying and start doing.

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  • Profile picture of the author mandark
    I agree - I never buy products (ebooks, etc.) if I think I even MIGHT already know the content. I have done my own research into SEO, reading from free ebooks and free websites.. if you want me to buy your SEO ebook, you had better convince me it will change my life using information I genuinely can't find elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

    teach me one thing that I did not know before, something I can actually use
    You, my friend, are wise.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

      So my attitude is simple, teach me one thing that I did not know before, something I can actually use and not just an affilated product you make money from an I will gladly pay your charge AND may even go for the upsell.
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      You, my friend, are wise.
      Just one teensy, tiny little problem I see here...

      How the hell does the product developer know what you already know? How could I even begin to guess which SEO books you may or may not have read?

      Just because you've seen it before doesn't mean everyone else has as well. Like the TV network said about the summer reruns, if you haven't seen it, it's new to you.

      Personally, I see more arrogance than wisdom in this particular post...
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        How the hell does the product developer know what you already know?
        Doesn't matter. That one thing I don't know can be surrounded by five hundred things I do. What I want is the one thing I don't know.

        All the other stuff around it is a form of social proof. I get a lot of review copies for affiliate marketing products. I know pretty much everything in them. When I turn to the chapter on keyword research, I pretty much know how to do keyword research. 90% of this chapter is either going to be stuff I already know, or it's going to be wrong.

        So when the elements of keyword research are being laid out, I'm developing trust in the author. Yep, that's right. That's right, too. So's that. Yep. Yep. Yep.

        And then along comes something I have never seen before.

        Now, because the author has developed my trust by confirming a solid and reliable knowledge of how keyword research works, I'm going to be a lot more likely to use that thing I've never seen.

        But if you just sold me a short report with nothing else in it but that one thing, I've got no reliable basis to believe you did anything except pull it our of your arse.
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        • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          Doesn't matter. That one thing I don't know can be surrounded by five hundred things I do. What I want is the one thing I don't know.

          All the other stuff around it is a form of social proof. I get a lot of review copies for affiliate marketing products. I know pretty much everything in them. When I turn to the chapter on keyword research, I pretty much know how to do keyword research. 90% of this chapter is either going to be stuff I already know, or it's going to be wrong.

          So when the elements of keyword research are being laid out, I'm developing trust in the author. Yep, that's right. That's right, too. So's that. Yep. Yep. Yep.

          And then along comes something I have never seen before.

          Now, because the author has developed my trust by confirming a solid and reliable knowledge of how keyword research works, I'm going to be a lot more likely to use that thing I've never seen.

          But if you just sold me a short report with nothing else in it but that one thing, I've got no reliable basis to believe you did anything except pull it our of your arse.
          But if the product developer has a market for something that offers 500 things that 10,000 people don't know vs. a market for 10 people who are interested in the one solitary 501st thing they don't know, which is going to generate more money?

          (In principle I agree with you, but also understand the idea of appealing to the larger market.)
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

            But if the product developer has a market for something that offers 500 things that 10,000 people don't know vs. a market for 10 people who are interested in the one solitary 501st thing they don't know, which is going to generate more money?
            Adding that 501st thing doesn't dump the 10,000 people you already have in your market, it just adds ten more people. So the 501 tips will generate slightly more money, because it has a slightly larger market.

            Incremental improvements to your product will almost always make incremental improvements in your revenue.
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            • Profile picture of the author ExRat
              Hi CD,

              How would he know?
              He wouldn't.

              I was being cryptic, for good reason.

              He doesn't need to know, that's the whole point.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post


        How the hell does the product developer know what you already know? How could I even begin to guess which SEO books you may or may not have read?
        Hi John,
        Not wishing to put words into the OPs mouth, but I suspect you have missed the point.
        It's not a case of knowing what the customer already knows, it's to do with letting the customer decide by actually telling them what the product is!

        In other words, don't tell me you want $37 (to start with) for your latest push 3 buttons and make 20,000 in 3 hours, tell me you want $37 to tell me how to set up a wordpress blog and use autogenerated content to fill it.

        Or, don't tell me you want $37 for you latest push button project, tell me that you want $37 to show me how to set up facebook ads to generate traffic.

        With this kind of info a potential customer can tell for himself if it's something he already knows.
        It's the blind copy that's the problem.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by The Great Gordino View Post

          Hi John,
          Not wishing to put words into the OPs mouth, but I suspect you have missed the point.
          It's not a case of knowing what the customer already knows, it's to do with letting the customer decide by actually telling them what the product is!

          In other words, don't tell me you want $37 (to start with) for your latest push 3 buttons and make 20,000 in 3 hours, tell me you want $37 to tell me how to set up a wordpress blog and use autogenerated content to fill it.

          Or, don't tell me you want $37 for you latest push button project, tell me that you want $37 to show me how to set up facebook ads to generate traffic.

          With this kind of info a potential customer can tell for himself if it's something he already knows.
          It's the blind copy that's the problem.
          I went back and re-read the original post after reading yours, and it's quite possible you are right. Unless the OP speaks up, we'll never know for sure.

          As I told Shane above, I may have been reacting as much to the accusatory and confrontational tone without trying to discern a deeper message.

          At some point, if you keep buying "new amazing secrets" even though you're pretty sure it's just "the same tripe you would get in any SEO book", some of the onus has to be on you.

          Something I've often said in another context fits here as well...

          "If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it might not actually BE a duck, but that's the smart way to bet."
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      • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Just one teensy, tiny little problem I see here...

        How the hell does the product developer know what you already know? How could I even begin to guess which SEO books you may or may not have read?

        Just because you've seen it before doesn't mean everyone else has as well. Like the TV network said about the summer reruns, if you haven't seen it, it's new to you.

        Personally, I see more arrogance than wisdom in this particular post...
        Don't get me wrong I expect there to be repetition, but I also expect a gem, something unique they have to add, perhaps a different slant.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
    A lot of the $37 products really aren't worth the money so I would advise you to just get as much info out of forums like these or maybe go for higher value/quality products which will give you more info and in greater detail on whatever subject you're looking for.
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  • Profile picture of the author valdanylchuk
    To me, excessive secrecy is a red flag. Don't tell me your know-how in the sales copy, I understand that. But at least give me some idea of what I'm buying. Full disclosure preferred. "The new amazing top secret super success formula?" No thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Rodney
    There is no secret to IM just hard work mainly the willingness to learn and to do what is required to make some money.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Doesn't matter. That one thing I don't know can be surrounded by five hundred things I do. What I want is the one thing I don't know.

      All the other stuff around it is a form of social proof. I get a lot of review copies for affiliate marketing products. I know pretty much everything in them. When I turn to the chapter on keyword research, I pretty much know how to do keyword research. 90% of this chapter is either going to be stuff I already know, or it's going to be wrong.

      So when the elements of keyword research are being laid out, I'm developing trust in the author. Yep, that's right. That's right, too. So's that. Yep. Yep. Yep.

      And then along comes something I have never seen before.

      Now, because the author has developed my trust by confirming a solid and reliable knowledge of how keyword research works, I'm going to be a lot more likely to use that thing I've never seen.

      But if you just sold me a short report with nothing else in it but that one thing, I've got no reliable basis to believe you did anything except pull it our of your arse.
      This I agree with, as it goes along with my own experience.

      It's also a much different story than

      I am not stupid, I do not expect to rake in millions or even thousands without a little work, but what I really hate is being told the same tripe you would get in any SEO book and being told it is some new amazing secret.

      So my attitude is simple, teach me one thing that I did not know before, something I can actually use and not just an affilated product you make money from an I will gladly pay your charge AND may even go for the upsell.
      (Bold mine)

      So the question remains...

      How do I teach you that one thing you don't know and can use, without going over the other stuff, too?
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      • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        How do I teach you that one thing you don't know and can use, without going over the other stuff, too?
        Here's one approach I took: For my product about link-building, I created the main course which was aimed at beginner-to-intermediate marketers (but not complete newbies). Then I added some slightly more advanced info as a set of bonus videos.
        Plus, I created a beginners guide to keyword research and added that as a separate bonus and created a complete-newbie guide to backlinking and added that as a bonus as well.

        Some will start with those, while others will go straight for the main course.

        Another approach I took on a product was to have the conceptual stuff in the main videos plus short "how-to" videos on very specific steps of the process, for those who need them.

        In general, I like to break down my products into small and logical chunks so that more experienced folks can easily see which parts of the product they might want to skip.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by ShaneRQR View Post

          Here's one approach I took: For my product about link-building, I created the main course which was aimed at beginner-to-intermediate marketers (but not complete newbies). Then I added some slightly more advanced info as a set of bonus videos.
          Plus, I created a beginners guide to keyword research and added that as a separate bonus and created a complete-newbie guide to backlinking and added that as a bonus as well.

          Some will start with those, while others will go straight for the main course.

          Another approach I took on a product was to have the conceptual stuff in the main videos plus short "how-to" videos on very specific steps of the process, for those who need them.

          In general, I like to break down my products into small and logical chunks so that more experienced folks can easily see which parts of the product they might want to skip.
          Makes sense...

          I guess I'm just trying to get past the accusatory tone in the OP. Rants about "don't teach me what I already know" don't make sense to me unless it's something like custom, one on one coaching or something.

          Any product aimed at even a niche audience has to cover the most likely bases, which means covering stuff some buyers will already be aware of.

          As a consumer, I do like your approach, although the next rant is "why do you pad your product with some many extra things", I guess. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi rkcc4,

        I am not stupid, I do not expect to rake in millions or even thousands without a little work, but what I really hate is being told the same tripe you would get in any SEO book and being told it is some new amazing secret.

        So my attitude is simple, teach me one thing that I did not know before, something I can actually use and not just an affilated product you make money from an I will gladly pay your charge AND may even go for the upsell.
        (bolded by me for emphasis).

        What if the thing you are seeking (bolded) simply isn't for sale out there?

        What do you do then?

        (PS I know the answer, I'm just trying to help.)
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          What if the thing you are seeking (bolded) simply isn't for sale out there.
          How would he know?

          Most people who are just starting out flounder. There are five thousand things they don't know. They're not looking for specific things. They're looking for things that aren't "impossible" from their viewpoint.

          Newbies are hard to target effectively. You can easily take their money with a dreamy sales pitch and then a say-nothing product that makes them feel like it's their own fault they didn't do it, but that's not effective. (It's also unethical, immoral, and rude.)

          But what you really want... well, what I really want, anyway... is a growing horde of newbies who made their first sale because you taught them. Because newbies are not always newbies. Your goal should be to take the newbie from where he is, to the next level. Make him more than a newbie. And over time, you have a massive following that trusts and respects you because you helped them get there.

          Look at Jason Fladlien. I know a number of people who became successful by using his products. Now he has products all over the price point map, because he's got a massive bunch of successful people buying his high-ticket stuff... and recommending his low-ticket stuff to the newbies that pop up. And that's a good place to be.

          But to do that, you have to bring the newbie something that works for a newbie. Frank Kern is always telling me to drive traffic with PPC, but PPC scares the crap out of me - and I'm not easily scared. So to the average newbie trying to use Frank's stuff, it's just plain not accessible.

          Compare Vanessa Pruitt's affiliate marketing guide, Marketing Leverage. (I got a review copy of this the other day, so it's fresh in my mind.) This comes at it from the same perspective as the average newbie. Everything in it is very accessible and easy to step into. It's got the "you can do this" attitude dripping out of every instruction.

          Which is what the OP was getting at. Frank will blow your mind and give you great ideas, but Vanessa will give you ideas you can go out and use now. I'm sort of over the great idea thing. I have so many great ideas for later when I make shedloads of money, I'll never use them all. I need practical stuff.

          Which is what I mean with the wosdom comment. He understands that the greatest idea in the world isn't worth squat if you can't implement it.
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        • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          Hi rkcc4,

          (bolded by me for emphasis).

          What if the thing you are seeking (bolded) simply isn't for sale out there?

          What do you do then?

          (PS I know the answer, I'm just trying to help.)
          I am not looking for anything, just the benefit of their experience. 90% of them are re-haching the same information and telling you it in a different way.

          Ultimately the most important thing is that they delivery what they promise in the squeeze page, sad sod that I am I print all the ones I buy to a PDF. It drives me nuts if they say it has nothing to do with this and not about that, then you get it and sure enough it is about it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
            Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

            Don't get me wrong I expect there to be repetition, but I also expect a gem, something unique they have to add, perhaps a different slant.
            Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

            I am not looking for anything, just the benefit of their experience. 90% of them are re-haching the same information and telling you it in a different way.
            The benefit of their experience IS the different slant. If they're NOT "telling you it in a different way" then there's a different word for that: plagiarism.

            All the best,
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

              The benefit of their experience IS the different slant.
              I think what he's saying is that he wants them to tell him a different thing, not the same thing with different words.

              Let's say you're looking at stuff about keyword research.

              Alice says "Make sure you search with quotes."

              Bob says "Always use quotes when you search."

              Charles says "All your searches should use quotes."

              Dave says "Search with quotes every time."

              Once you've read one of those, the rest become worthless.
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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                I think what he's saying is that he wants them to tell him a different thing, not the same thing with different words.
                Not according to his quoted posts. Seemed quite clear to me.

                However, in your examples, what if none of the phrases resonates with him except for "Search with quotes every time"? Then he's getting the different slant; the one that finally made more sense.

                That being said, I completely understand what you're saying, but there are exceptions. Sometimes people need to hear the same thing several times, or need ot hear it a certain way before it sinks in. That doesn't take value away from all of the other variants, not as it is, BUT it does affect the value to each specific receiver of it, depending on what resonated with them.

                All the best,
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                • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                  Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                  Not according to his quoted posts. Seemed quite clear to me.
                  I think we're just concentrating on different parts of the sentence.

                  Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

                  Don't get me wrong I expect there to be repetition, but I also expect a gem, something unique they have to add, perhaps a different slant.
                  That strikes me as the important bit - he wants something new and different in every product he buys. And I don't think that's unreasonable.

                  His bearnaise sauce example is a good one. The process of preparing to make a sauce is effectively the same no matter what, and if we assume you know how to make an espagnole, it will all be things you're already familiar with. However, an emulsified sauce is more delicate, so the process will necessarily be different.

                  There is, of course, always the danger that you'll read the preparatory steps and then jump forward - saying "oh, I know this stuff" - to begin preparing a dark roux like you would for an espagnole. That will not end well, and you might very well blame the author... albeit unfairly.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
                    When you go to buy a product all you can really do is guess that the product will have something you want in it. And you can imporve the quality of your guessing by reading the sales letter. You may find some piece of information in some of the "reviews" of IM products online, but the odds are really against that.

                    In order for you to find out if the product will be what you want, you have to buy it. In order to make the decison to buy it you as the reader of the sales letter have to put yourself into the group of people who you decide the product is aimed at.

                    If it turns out you put yourself in the wrong group, that was a decision you made as the buyer. The seller did not make that decision for you. Did they influence you with their words or videos or whatever, sure they did. But you have to go through a number of steps in order to actually purchase the product, and you have to make active decisions along the way.

                    I am not talking here about products where the sellers just lie and don't deliver at all or give you blue when you ordered red. There are some like that, but that isn't what I mean.

                    But mostly marketing materials are a meeting of the minds and if you have one idea of wha the product is supposed to be and it turns out to be another, get a refund and give yourself a pat on the back for knowing a lot of stuff already.
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                    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                      Here's another angle we can look at this from...

                      Whose product did you buy first?

                      Using Caliban's example:
                      Let's say you're looking at stuff about keyword research.

                      Alice says "Make sure you search with quotes."

                      Bob says "Always use quotes when you search."

                      Charles says "All your searches should use quotes."

                      Dave says "Search with quotes every time."
                      If you bought Dave's book first, Alice is the one just repeating what you already know.
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          • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
            Thanks for a great bunch of replies, I'm learning just by reading your comments. Let me try and expain my OP by relating it to a recipe. If I buy a recipe book I expect repetition, but I expect a unique tip or deviation.

            Take a bearnaise sauce, some will teach a classic escoffier method using the right ingredients, others will tell you the benefits of using copper bottomed pans, a few will take it in a totally different direction by adding a new ingredient of their own and yet another will tell you how to rescue it if it curdles.

            I can go and buy an book on this stuff for a few bucks on Amazon and I have. I can get even more free on the internet. So when I pay $37, $67, $97 or $197, I expect something special and unique from the author.

            Some may extol the virtues of using a methodology that includes the use, in a specific order, of web based tools. Others may just point out what may be obvious to veterans, but what I really want is the added value they think they can add.

            I have no doubt that I will do my own product in due course, not that it makes huge financial sense, but because I have learnt things myself along the way, things that others are not telling me...yet.

            Until we have genetic memories we are stuck with learning from trial and error, I would much rather learn from the mistakes of others than make those same mistakes myself and if they can help me in that, I am happy to pay the price of the package.
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            • Profile picture of the author ExRat
              Hi rkcc4,

              Until we have genetic memories we are stuck with learning from trial and error, I would much rather learn from the mistakes of others than make those same mistakes myself and if they can help me in that, I am happy to pay the price of the package.
              Why would you rather learn from the mistakes of others than through your own trial and error, particularly when you are having difficulty in pursuing that path?
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
    Ok, I have to throw in my two cents here. I don't consider myself an IM guru but I do consider myself a guru of teaching newbie's internet marketing. I've been doing it for awhile now.

    First off, I've purchased just about EVERY IM product out there for the last 5 years and pretty much know everything that's been sold lately. But when I talk to someone in the store, at 7-11, in the airport, etc about IM well EVERYTHING I'm saying is new to them.

    So my thought on this matter is. If what I'm showing you isn't new to you, then you've probably been around some already. You've either done some searching on Google, purchased something already (that's taught you what I just showed you), been collecting opt-in ebook giveaways and reading, etc. The point is, you already know stuff so what are you doing with it? The same thing most procrastinating newbie's are doing, NOTHING!

    I'm going to fall back on what I always say in threads similar to these. "Just Do It!", "DO SOMETHING!"
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  • Profile picture of the author VeitSchenk
    Now, on the one hand I agree with you, on the other my question to you would be this:

    if you already know so much stuff, why are you even looking at all the new stuff coming out?

    Jay Abraham's book title pretty much nails is: "Getting everything you can out of all you've got".

    Sounds like you've already got everything you can possibly need, so come up with a plan and then simply fill the gaps in your knowledge by either going out and SEEKING specific information or -- even better -- outsourcing it.

    But then, if you're just venting some anger at some of the s*it that's being put out on e.g. Clickbank, you're spot on (and I'm with ya not because I look at it, but because when you see/hear the attitude of those who put out some of the stuff, well, it ain't pretty.... just get yourself to the bar at any big IM conference or over to the IM-cruise and hang out in the jacuzzi...)

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    Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

    I am not stupid, I do not expect to rake in millions or even thousands without a little work, but what I really hate is being told the same tripe you would get in any SEO book and being told it is some new amazing secret.

    So my attitude is simple, teach me one thing that I did not know before, something I can actually use and not just an affilated product you make money from an I will gladly pay your charge AND may even go for the upsell.
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    • Profile picture of the author peetred
      For me, the important thing to take away from this conversation is that you need to target your buyers effectively. If your product is aimed at newbies or beginners, you need to make that clear in your sales page. If your product is advanced, you need to warn beginners and/or include more beginner information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Meh do what I do and simply dont buy them!

    Don't buy them, don't think about them and you won't give yourself a chance to be disappointed by them.

    I started making money from a blog that had free videos..go figure.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I am not looking for anything, just the benefit of their experience. 90% of them are re-haching the same information and telling you it in a different way.
    Just think of WSO's like a book store. How many diet, self-help and fitness books are rehashing the same information in a new package.

    There are very few revolutionary new ideas for anything, just a fresh new cover on the same 'ol same 'ol.

    p90x isn't new... it's a re-branding and marketing of old fitness concepts.

    Unfortunately you can't browse through a WSO like a book before you buy it.

    Perhaps we cant start a trend of authors releasing more information on their products. Maybe giving away the first chapter or a TOC listing, you know, something like that.

    Rule of thumb, the more vague an author is or the bigger the claims are the more likely it's junk.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

      Don't get me wrong I expect there to be repetition, but I also expect a gem, something unique they have to add, perhaps a different slant.
      And that's a fair expectation. Just because a particular product doesn't provide that for you doesn't make the product garbage and the producer trash. If it's really that bad, refund the purchase and delete the product from your hard drive.

      Once I started getting rid of the useless stuff instead of stewing over it every time I looked in my digital library, my stress level went way down.

      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Rule of thumb, the more vague an author is or the bigger the claims are the more likely it's junk.
      That's a helluva thumb...
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  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
    Hi rkcc4,

    I am not looking for anything, just the benefit of their experience. 90% of them are re-haching the same information and telling you it in a different way.

    Ultimately the most important thing is that they delivery what they promise in the squeeze page, sad sod that I am I print all the ones I buy to a PDF. It drives me nuts if they say it has nothing to do with this and not about that, then you get it and sure enough it is about it.
    Let me rephrase my question to you in a less cryptic manner -

    If, for some imaginary reason, you were not allowed to buy any more products at all, how would you go about doing what you need to do in order to create a successful business? How would you discover important things about other people's successful businesses? How would you find ideas and markets?

    When you've answered those, simply act as if you can't buy any products and do exactly what you have come up with as answers.

    You may then find that you have a distinct lack of concern about the quality of any information products and you may end up wondering why you were ever looking to pay others for 'the benefit of their experience.' You may even start benefitting from your own experiences, too.

    Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I can go and buy an book on this stuff for a few bucks on Amazon and I have. I can get even more free on the internet. So when I pay $37, $67, $97 or $197, I expect something special and unique from the author.
    But isn't that what you're getting with a WSO, a new spin on the same 'ol recipes.

    I'm the biggest negative nancy when it comes to WSO's but that doesn't mean they are all junk.

    A big problem with WSO's is anybody can release one and there is no quality control like you'd have from a legitimate publisher. Publishing houses have editors, copy writers and professionals to make sure their products are top notch. Not to mention they aren't releasing books from just anybody who walks in the door. WSO authors have open office and export as PDF + $40 to be listed. You kinda have to expect that in many cases what you are getting is a mediocre product.

    Stick to the names you know and love and you'll probably get something of value. Figure out who is good at what any buy their products on those topics. Ignore the rest of 'em.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    I am very careful about clickbank products because there is a lot of garbage out there. I only promote things that I currently or would use myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveBagasao
      Originally Posted by sarahberra View Post

      I am very careful about clickbank products because there is a lot of garbage out there. I only promote things that I currently or would use myself.
      Great philosophy! I wish more thought like you.

      Unfortunately, many affiliates don't care what they are promoting, just as long as they can make money.

      I noticed on many of the JV pages, they don't even tell prospective JV partners anything about the product...only how much they are going to make.

      That speaks volumes!
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  • Profile picture of the author coreyjt
    Hey RKCC4. I am interested in the Blueprint Project Black Edition. It seems like this dropshipping formula has been dragged into the ground since Ebay started. I can't seem to believe that one can make money using a list that everyone on the internet has. You mentioned a trial version on another thread. How does one go about getting that? I don't mind paying for high quality content, I just don't want to pay $1500 for something that Market Samurai and these forums have for $100 or less. LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If you are buying one product after another, you are not an IMer but a member of a target market. If your IM purchases are beginning to look "same old" - could be clue you already know enough to stop learning and start doing.

      It's great to buy new IM products if you are testing them and using the methods and applying the "same old" stuff you've learned to date. If you are buying products looking for a perfect gem you are like the dieter who reads many diet books.... while eating a bag of chips.

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  • Profile picture of the author SteveBagasao
    You would think that with all the anti-hype and anti-garbage post I've seen on WF and other forums that the gurus would get a clue.

    Apparently this kind of stuff still makes them money. Fortunately, I believe the trend is moving toward less hype, and more value. At least that's my hope.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArgusTargus
    Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

    So my attitude is simple, teach me one thing that I did not know before, something I can actually use and not just an affilated product you make money from an I will gladly pay your charge AND may even go for the upsell.
    So very true, but the problem with the whole internet marketing thing is that these products are not easy to evaluate until you buy it. Before purchasing it, it is very difficult to make a judgment call, unless it sounds crappy to begin with.

    So, it is important to stay on course and not be too gullible.
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  • Profile picture of the author daangertenaar
    The ''Top secret'' method is outdated. There is no loophole or glitch that will rake you in millions of dollars the next 24 hours, on autopilot.
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