WSO's And The Feedback You Give

12 years ago

Originally Posted by hh66

Hey,

Can I just say something that I *thought* was
patently obvious, but now i'm not so sure.

When you give public feedback on a "Warrior
Special Offer", or anything else for that matter,
you are effectively putting your WF reputation
on the line.

You will, and must be, judged by the comments
you have made. After all, many people may read
what you have said, and make a purchase based
on that.

So please do the right thing, and ensure that your
feedback (on a product or service) is honest and
as good as you can give.

No one likes getting "ripped"...

Cheers,

Yeah you are correct but this is obvious. When I ask a fellow warrior to give me a review on my product I urge them to actually test it fully and give me any feedback good/bad on how I can improve it for the next person.

Most warriors are aware of the fact that when they comment on a product, someone else might buy it only because they trust your opinion. Our reputations are our most lucrative asset and I think what the OP is trying to say is to take extra care before you put your name on a thread endorsing something.

I have put a positive comment on a friends sales thread and a lot of users bought his product because I said it was good. Next day he disappears and I'm left with 50 private messages lol.

So yeah take care warriors!

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sal64

12 years ago

I don't think it's as clear cut as that.

People buy different WSO's mostly on a whim because the price is usually low.

So what appeals to me, may not appeal to you. For example, a person buys my membership manual and leave a comment on how great it is in THEIR opinion. Yet you buy it, but it's not for you.

I might buy your wso and review it positively even though I may not use it. Because on it's merits, it's a great product.

Who's right and who's wrong?

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Social Experts

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

I don't think it's as clear cut as that.

People buy different WSO's mostly on a whim because the price is usually low.

So what appeals to me, may not appeal to you. For example, a person buys my membership manual and leave a comment on how great it is in THEIR opinion. Yet you buy it, but it's not for you.

I might buy your wso and review it positively even though I may not use it. Because on it's merits, it's a great product.

Who's right and who's wrong?

I think what he's really referring to is people who receive review copies in exchange for a review on their WSO thread. Some don't even use/read the product and write a review that is positive for the hell of it.

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hh66

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Minto

I think what he's really referring to is people who receive review copies in exchange for a review on their WSO thread. Some don't even use/read the product and write a review that is positive for the hell of it.

Well said, Matt!

Yes, I am certainly referring to this, at
least in part.

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sal64

12 years ago

Originally Posted by hh66

Well said, Matt!

Yes, I am certainly referring to this, at
least in part.

Regards,

Like I said, it isn't as clear cut as you make it out. Yes, you are referring to specific situations, but how do you judge which feedback is genuine and which isn't?

I agree that you should not give the type of feedback that you refer to. But if you are buying, how do you know if it's false, or if it isn't?

Once again, what's good for the goose may not be good for the gander. Much like going to the movies.

I've been to critically acclaimed movies and walked out or fallen asleep. Then again, I have ranted about a movie and my friends who saw it thought I was an embicile.

Bottom line as someone else pointed out. People have to be accountable for their buying decisions.

If people want to give out reviews willy-nilly, then good luck to them. They too have to be accountable for their actions.

Just wondering...

Did you buy a wso based on a review that you were not happy with?

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hh66

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

Bottom line as someone else pointed out. People have to be accountable for their buying decisions.

Oh yes, I couldn't agree more Sal - caveat emptor,
as always.. ;-)

All I am saying is that people can, and will, be
judged on the text-based reviews and feedback
that they give... It has to be this way, since this
is a text-based forum and the only way people
can find out who another person is (or might be)
is by the comments they make.

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sal64

12 years ago

Originally Posted by hh66

Oh yes, I couldn't agree more Sal - caveat emptor,
as always.. ;-)

All I am saying is that people can, and will, be
judged on the text-based reviews and feedback
that they give... It has to be this way, since this
is a text-based forum and the only way people
can find out who another person is (or might be)
is by the comments they make.

Cheers,

It depends. I'm not sure that you will be judged on your review if a product is bad, to be honest.

There are a lot of fly-by-night operators on here.

If unsure, PM the person who gave the review.

HINT: The only reviews I read are those from more senior members. The rest I take with a grain of salt. If a reviewer has no history, I ignore them.

I have come across too many situations where people are peddling wso's and almost all of their reviews are from users whom have joined after the wso was launched, have no contact info, no profile etc.

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hh66 12 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

HINT: The only reviews I read are those from more senior members. The rest I take with a grain of salt. If a reviewer has no history, I ignore them.

By and large, that's a very good tip...
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hh66

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

I don't think it's as clear cut as that.

People buy different WSO's mostly on a whim because the price is usually low.

So what appeals to me, may not appeal to you. For example, a person buys my membership manual and leave a comment on how great it is in THEIR opinion. Yet you buy it, but it's not for you.

I might buy your wso and review it positively even though I may not use it. Because on it's merits, it's a great product.

Who's right and who's wrong?

Hey Sal,

Forgive me, but I have to disagree with your
comment.

Subjective feedback is just fine, so long as it
is clear it is that. I am referring 'though to
feedback that is "knowingly" incorrect, or else
positive feedback is given on a product/service
where the poster ought to have known differently...

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profitsforall

12 years ago

I think people who buy need to take responsibility for their own decision.

A review is someone elses opinion and as Sal64 says peoples opinions can vary and no one is necessarily right.

However, a large number of revies I discount totally (they are almost formulaic):

Wow - Awseome Product. n pages of fluff free content. I haven't tried it yet but the method should work.

or
OMG!!! This is so awesome, I would have paid ten times the price for this great information. You should pull this off the market immediately so no one else can buy it.

I basically discount these - in the first case, they haven't actually tried to implement what the product is about so have no valid input on whether it actually works.

In the second case, if you really didn't want others to buy the product it would probably have been better to keep your mouth shut, rather than writing such a glowing reference

I'm very suspicious of reviews anyway - I was part of a membership site (which was a great community with lots of valuable information) where they would post that they had a WSO up and ask for comments, and of course loads of people would jump on that WSO talking about how wonderful that person is, how great their products are and how much of a no brainer this WSO is.

Now, these may have been the honest opinions of those involved, but not quite the unsolicited reviews they appear to be.

However, to go back to the Original Post, there are also products I will buy because i trust that person, due to the repuation and the way they behave on this forum.

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Frank Ayres

12 years ago

I dont agree that if i do a review on a product and that person then rips people off, it is not my fault, i can only do a review on the product i see and test not on the honesty of the seller.

A couple of WSOs that i have left good feeback on have gone on to rip people off including me, but i was giving the good feedback when the wso was good, plus i was ripped off as well.

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hh66

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jackettom

I don't think it's as clear cut as that.

I'm still mesmerized by the deeply insightful
reply you made earlier in this thread, but
why don't you "spill the beans" now completely
and let us know more?

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profitsforall

12 years ago

Originally Posted by hh66

I'm still mesmerized by the deeply insightful
reply you made earlier in this thread, but
why don't you "spill the beans" now completely
and let us know more?

You always know you are going to get fantastic information from a post where the sig file is longer than the post itself.

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hh66

12 years ago

Originally Posted by profitsforall

You always know you are going to get fantastic information from a post where the sig file is longer than the post itself.

Wait.. Is that a fellow Nottinghamian I spy in the
midst! ;-) Haha.

But yes, there leaves something to be desired from
a few of the posts on here... On the whole 'though,
I do think the forum is very good.

:-)

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profitsforall

12 years ago

Originally Posted by hh66

Wait.. Is that a fellow Nottinghamian I spy in the
midst! ;-) Haha.

But yes, there leaves something to be desired from
a few of the posts on here... On the whole 'though,
I do think the forum is very good.

:-)

Not a native East Midlander, but lived here for over 10 years now.

And I agree the forum is definitely worth staying on.

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BlogPiG.com 12 years ago

Originally Posted by profitsforall

Not a native East Midlander, but lived here for over 10 years now.

And I agree the forum is definitely worth staying on.

Ha ha, another Midlander here, but 'wesside'. There are a few of us, methinks.

And yes, a very valuable forum for all levels of knowledge and experience.
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Martin Luxton 12 years ago

Even if feedback is genuine it doesn't necessarily help a prospective buyer because you don't know how experienced the other person is.

Most of the reviews I gave when I was a complete newbie I wouldn't write now. But they were, at least, genuine.

If I were looking to buy a WSO now, the first thing I would do is check out the number of shills in the thread. Two or more and I'd be out of there right away.

Martin
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BlogPiG.com 12 years ago

Originally Posted by hh66

I'm still mesmerized by the deeply insightful
reply you made earlier in this thread, but
why don't you "spill the beans" now completely
and let us know more?

LOL! I second your challenge to jackettom. Am sure we will be enlightened duly...

Great post, by the way. I agree people should not make review comments lightly or without foundation. More experienced warriors will know which comments to dismiss but newbies won't understand that straight away and are the ones more likely to part with their cash anyway, without unfounded encouragement.

I saw a post once which had literally hundreds of 'wow, this is going to be great, can't wait to get started' comments and only one solitary person in the whole thread fessed up to actually having implemented the WSO product/system!

Anyway, this rant won't change the behaviour of many but it might serve as a good caution for newer members.

And I like the tip to look at who's making the comments e.g. if it's a more senior member then it likely has more credibility.
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- hh66 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by BlogPiG.com
  
  And I like the tip to look at who's making the comments e.g. if it's a more senior member then it likely has more credibility.
  
  Generally yes, but i've just had about 20 or
  so of my postings deleted by a WF Admin,
  on a thread where I proved that a "senior"
  member was advocating illegal activity in
  his WSO.
  
  Hmmm, I suspect it won't be long before my
  account here is deleted too...
  
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Steve Wise

12 years ago

IMO it's very rare that an actual "review" is given by a person who's actually used the product and can give feedback on results. Comments like this WSO is "straightforward" "no BS" "no fluff" "doable" are commonplace but don't really say anything about whether the product is any good/works or not.

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Lady Carole

12 years ago

I agree that posting reviews should be honest appraisals of the product. Of course any review is only the opinion of the individual reviewer which can vary from one extreme to the other. Buyers should try to discern whether the product is something which would benefit them in their quest for more knowledge of techniques for doing whatever they do.

Outrageous claims usually sound fake and can be discounted. I don't think that a review should be discounted just because the reviewer is new to the forum, for example, me. lol

If you think the product could offer something useful, go for it. It can't hurt since you're not losing an arm or a leg. If it was a total waste, at least you gain the knowledge not to order from that person again.

Best wishes, Carole

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JohnMcCabe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

I have come across too many situations where people are peddling wso's and almost all of their reviews are from users whom have joined after the wso was launched, have no contact info, no profile etc.

Two important points to get from this...

1) Why would you put any weight behind an anonymous ghost with no real contributions, no history, no contact information and a user name that looks Like someone dropped a sandwich on the keyboard?

2) Why would that ghost give a rat's bottom about their reputation?

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