Auto blogs are they a scam?

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A P Geofrey

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Izaya

Auto blogs work, You can get your adsense banned with them. There are auto blog plugins for wordpress available, there not free though. I wouldn't bother with auto blogs if I was you.

Even though they might work, which I personally doubt how well, It does not change the fact that auto blogs are spam and spam as far as I know is generally frown upon by everybody not just google. I am number one, google only comes after me.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by A P Geofrey

Even though they might work, which I personally doubt how well, It does not change the fact that auto blogs are spam and spam as far as I know is generally frown upon by everybody not just google. I am number one, google only comes after me.

This has been addressed a few times throughout this thread...you might want to read the thread to get a better understanding of what many of us who currenetly autoblog think it is evolving into.

As far as how well it works is concerned I assume you would want to qualify that with income or ROI. I don't personally give out that info as I feel it's personal and no one elses business but I do know several autbloggers who make a living with it, especially once you start getting in the 100 to 200 autoblogs range (as long as they have decent traffic, privide quality information to the reader and are set up to convert well).

Autoblogs aren't spam, this is a huge misconception. Think of it this way...

Autoblogging is simply a way to approach IM. It's a tool and like any tool it can be used for good or bad. The sites you refer to as spam are slowly fading out and I believe many more of the higher quality sites are starting to come to the front lines. It is possible to build quality sites with automation...it's all in how an individual uses the tools.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by projectmaster

OK a simple questions but do auto blogs work if I get enough back links ? will google deindex me? especially when they realise I get alot OF ADSENSE clicks from autoblogs?

do any WF members make money from autoblogs i hear alot of mix reviews..some say they only short term?

also what are WF members experience of autoblogs and wordpress autoplugins etc?

This has been asked many times here on the WF (and I actually answered most of these exact questions from you in another thread just a few minutes ago). Just do a search for autoblogging and you will find all the info you could ever need.

There are several WF members who make money with autoblogging or some hybrid of it. It can be a long term business if you approach it that way and build quality sites that are meant to last.

WP and plugins designed for autoblogging go hand in hand, once again...there is a lot of info here about both..spend some time reading and you will learn a lot.

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projectmaster 14 years ago

Thank you for all you informative replies especialy "rsberg" I read both your post very interesting information...I think I will do some experimenting I will give you my results in 2 months ..gonna try to create lots of backlinks to a autosite with out creating any original articles and see would my site and keyword rank ...
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oneplusone

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

This has been asked many times here on the WF (and I actually answered most of these exact questions from you in another thread just a few minutes ago). Just do a search for autoblogging and you will find all the info you could ever need.

There are several WF members who make money with autoblogging or some hybrid of it. It can be a long term business if you approach it that way and build quality sites that are meant to last.

WP and plugins designed for autoblogging go hand in hand, once again...there is a lot of info here about both..spend some time reading and you will learn a lot.

I knew your name would pop up on this thread lol

I don't do autoblogging but don't have any issue with it.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by oneplusone

I knew your name would pop up on this thread lol

I don't do autoblogging but don't have any issue with it.

Is there some problem with my name popping up on this thread...or any for that matter?

I post in threads related to autoblogging because I have experience with them and have found a certain level of success with them. I try to help others better understand what they are and what they are not and give some advice and tips if I can as well.

I kind of thought that's what this whole forum was supposed to be about...

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oneplusone

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

Is there some problem with my name popping up on this thread...or any for that matter?

I post in threads related to autoblogging because I have experience with them and have found a certain level of success with them. I try to help others better understand what they are and what they are not and give some advice and tips if I can as well.

I kind of thought that’s what this whole forum was supposed to be about...

None whatsoever my good friend, I think it's great that you stick up for what you're doing.

I'd do the same thing if someone started attacking list building

It was more to do with me thinking you would have posted on this thread, then I found it very funny when you had

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flavius333

14 years ago

It all depends on your overall strategy..

straight to the point:autoblogs are ok(but some advertising programs forbid them) and yes, they do work at this moment..

just my 2 cents..

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JonWebContent

14 years ago

Could someone tell me what Autoblogging is? I'm just curious.

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projectmaster

14 years ago

SO IS IT OFFICIAL GOOGLE WILL BAND YOU ADSENSE ACCOUNT WITH AUTOBLOGS

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fatboy 14 years ago

Originally Posted by projectmaster

SO IS IT OFFICIAL GOOGLE WILL BAND YOU ADSENSE ACCOUNT WITH AUTOBLOGS

Yes and No. If you have a blog that is creating unique content and looks legit, Google is not going to ban you.

As for the actually question in the OP. I have a question or rather a suggestion for you. Why not just build some quality websites and then work on promoting them?

This is a much better idea then trying to keep up with auto created content that can look spammy and not readable by humans. It is much better to open notepad and reword an article yourself to make it unique then it is to copy and paste an article from somewhere and put it on your website.

If you stick with whitehat legit stuff you don't have to worry about not getting paid and your site getting de indexed. If you are going to put the time into a project, then you should really make it a project that is going to last. You don't want to spend hours on something that 1 month down the road is de indexed and Google does not pay you for your work do you?

As always if you need any help with getting started you can shoot me a pm or read some more on the forum. Good Luck
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Glenn Leader 14 years ago

Originally Posted by projectmaster

SO IS IT OFFICIAL GOOGLE WILL BAND YOU ADSENSE ACCOUNT WITH AUTOBLOGS

No, it's not official that Adsense accounts will get banned
if you use them on autoblogs. It very much depends on
what you post. If you post something that is genuinely
useful, Adsense will approve of what you're doing. I'm
talking from personal experience, based on years of
testing and building.

Originally Posted by daangertenaar

Auto blogs do work, but I wouldn't use them if I were you. Human's still beat robots.

How about humans, assisted by robots robots can
get you fresh, right up to the minute content, and allow
you to review it before your robot posts it.

Originally Posted by Biggy Fat

Don't bother with autoblogs. Just another way of getting you think that autopilot income exists.

Autopilot income does exist, but you need a system to
set it all up. This takes time and resources.

For example, you could pay a ghost writer to create
content for your blogs, and post them for you. Just
provide a keyword list and make sure the writer gets
paid. Looks pretty autopilot to me. Another idea would
be to have several niche experts write for your blog, and
post them as guest authors. They get free exposure,
and you get free content.

Originally Posted by rockfuse

I would avoid them , seems like a waste especially for a long strategy, dont believe the lies

What lies?

Originally Posted by Chris The Traffic Blogger

Don't do it. Just don't, they work and then you get banned and they don't. End of story.

They can work, and can work very well indeed. This is
from my personal experience. Beginning of story.

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trishworks4u

14 years ago

They ARE a scam! Run

There is NO money to be made in autoblogs whatsover

</sarcasm>

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RevenueGal 14 years ago

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Rsberg 14 years ago

Originally Posted by trishworks4u

They ARE a scam! Run

There is NO money to be made in autoblogs whatsover

</sarcasm>

:rolleyes:

I love this....awesome!
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projectmaster

14 years ago

so if the general consensus is yes you can make money with autoblogs why is it a dirty word and people tend to say lots of negative about them...?

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Rsberg 14 years ago

Originally Posted by projectmaster

so if the general consensus is yes you can make money with autoblogs why is it a dirty word and people tend to say lots of negative about them...?

This is partially because of the old stigma that is still associated with autoblogging which is typically that it's thought of as spamming the internet with stolen content. Can this be done....of course, does it have to be that way...not at all.

Often the "dirty word" mentality is perpetuated by those that failed with it and think that because they failed with it that it cant possibly work for anyone else....
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Kezz

14 years ago

Heck no they're not a scam. But there is a catch.

Just because a blog is automated doesn't mean it can get away with being rubbish.

When you create an autoblog you have to think of the site visitors, what they want and how to make them happy.

There are some brilliant autoblogs in the world that are not cheesy, spammy or generally useless to the web.

Focus on creating a quality experience and you'll do just fine. You won't be banned from AdSense of you don't set out to spam, rather you set up to contribute something valuable to readers.

I've had many successful autoblogs, all setup with 100% free WordPress plugins.

I've had autoblogs pulling $20 a day in AdSense within a week of being setup.

And I've had autoblogs reaching ten thousand uniques per day.

But every single autoblog I've ever built has had every bit of thought, care and attention put into it as I would into any other site.

Quality counts, and it pays off.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kezz

But every single autoblog I've ever built has had every bit of thought, care and attention put into it as I would into any other site.

Quality counts, and it pays off.

Very true!

People often forget to use the search function, instead opting to start a new thread about autoblogging, this can be a bit redundant as there are so many threads about it here already. One good thing though...

With each new thread there seems to be a few more people popping up that "get it" and have success with autoblogging.

Always good to see someone new (at least to me) who has figured it out and made it work for them.

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adelainewatson

14 years ago

Autoblog is not a scam, and it works for me. If you're autoblogging, one blog is not enough. You'll need to create and manage a handful of blogs at the same time. Therefore, you need some sort of reseller or VPS (Virtual Private Server) that can handle many domains and individual accounts for each blog.

Next comes the blogging platform. As far as autoblogging goes, nothing comes even close to Wordpress, an open-source blogging software that you can use on your own domains, and modify as you see fit.

One of the most important tools you'll need is an "RSS feed aggregator" like RSS2Blog or other similar software. An aggregator is the key to almost all autoblogging techniques, as most other applications like article posting and data feed posting requires it.

To expand your blog's traffic exponentially, you'll also need a language translator script installed on your autoblogs. Having this script will instantly multiply your traffic and earnings without any extra work on your part.

Lastly, you'll also need a social bookmarking script that automatically submits your new blog posts to social bookmarking sites like Del.icio.us. Submitting you posts to social bookmarking sites is still a good way to get your blogs indexed and ranked in the search engines.

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Drewry_Media

14 years ago

From personal experience, I can say that auto-blogs and using an automated blogging program for blogging is NOT a scam. Just be careful who's content you reproduce. And, always ALWAYS add natural content to the content of the blog posts that are being duplicated, so this way, you're not de-listed and penalized by Google in the future, for the duplicate content penalty. Just trying to help!

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annavera

14 years ago

Originally Posted by projectmaster

OK a simple questions but do auto blogs work if I get enough back links ? will google deindex me? especially when they realise I get alot OF ADSENSE clicks from autoblogs?

I get regular email updates from Google Adsense and today it started with this:

"Fiction: Publishers can put ads on auto-generated pages or other copied content that was not created by them.

Fact: We don't allow sites with auto-generated or otherwise unoriginal content to participate in the AdSense program. This is to ensure that our users are benefiting from a unique online experience and that our advertisers are partnering with useful and relevant sites."

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cooler1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by annavera

I get regular email updates from Google Adsense and today it started with this:

"Fiction: Publishers can put ads on auto-generated pages or other copied content that was not created by them.

Fact: We don’t allow sites with auto-generated or otherwise unoriginal content to participate in the AdSense program. This is to ensure that our users are benefiting from a unique online experience and that our advertisers are partnering with useful and relevant sites."

So all those autoblogs for sale in the Warrior websites for sale forum are in breach of Adsense tos? They say make a full time income, etc... and show Adsense as one of the main monetization methods.

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Glenn Leader

14 years ago

Originally Posted by annavera

I get regular email updates from Google Adsense and today it started with this:

"Fiction: Publishers can put ads on auto-generated pages or other copied content that was not created by them.

Fact: We don't allow sites with auto-generated or otherwise unoriginal content to participate in the AdSense program. This is to ensure that our users are benefiting from a unique online experience and that our advertisers are partnering with useful and relevant sites."

If this is the case, there will be several article
directories heading for trouble. As Google makes
a decent income from these sites, I reckon this
is misdirection.

Glenn

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rockfuse

14 years ago

I would avoid them , seems like a waste especially for a long strategy, dont believe the lies

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edgelance

14 years ago

I would avoid autoblog because it could get my adsense banned. I heard this been happen to others.

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Biggy Fat

14 years ago

Don't bother with autoblogs. Just another way of getting you think that autopilot income exists.

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tat1973

14 years ago

Is Wordpress a autoblog?

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claudemai 14 years ago

Auto blogs is a great tool when it comes to backlinks. Auto blog is not a scam.
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twoblind 14 years ago

Wordpress is a blogging platfrom / Content Management System. With plugins it can be used for autoblogging. But Wordpress is not an autoblog.
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BlogPiG.com 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tat1973

Is Wordpress a autoblog?

No, WordPress is, in their words, a 'blog tool and publishing platform.'

WordPress is one of the platforms (to be fair, the main one) which would enable you to publish your very own blog - from scratch!

You could then use themes and free or paid for 'plugins' to personalise your blog and take it to the next level.

People do build autoblogs on WordPress.
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paulie888

14 years ago

Autoblogs are not a scam, and this topic has already been discussed at length in various threads.

However, they are far from autopilot, and they'll require care and constant maintenance in order to actually attract human visitors who will stay and click on your Adsense and/or product and CPA banners.

If you think you're going to just throw up an autoblog and expect it to automatically take care of itself in automated fashion, then this probably isn't for you.

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quick_silver

14 years ago

Autoblogs are a good thing in my niche,..Web Design and SEO,...aff links,..they really don't perform so well unless you are putting up mass blogs...but with a lightbox pop-up for web design- performs very well.

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arcadiasmith

14 years ago

Auto blogs makes your life easier. You don't need to hire a linkbuilder to build links for your site. Auto blog provides it for you.

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trishworks4u

14 years ago

Well about 1/3 of the posts in here make no sense (no, I'm not going to list which ones).

Honestly, if Google started shutting down Adsense accounts of those who "Aggregated Content", they'd be astounded at the monumental drop in their bottom line - instantly! Just one of the most assinine things to come out of the Big "G" (this week).

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mj9999 14 years ago

I think autoblogs and aggregated content of all kinds are fine. But these sites must be more innovative than just posting only articles that have already been posted a thousand times.

Aggregated content can be better off on a niche site than on the all-purpose article repositories where they are originally posted.

Basically, if you are going to auto post duplicate content, do it in a way that makes sense and offers some value.
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rkcc4

14 years ago

Originally Posted by trishworks4u

Well about 1/3 of the posts in here make no sense (no, I'm not going to list which ones).

Honestly, if Google started shutting down Adsense accounts of those who "Aggregated Content", they'd be astounded at the monumental drop in their bottom line - instantly! Just one of the most assinine things to come out of the Big "G" (this week).

Love your comments and humour, particularly the ASS change which links to the second meaning..Classic!

asinine (comparative more asinine, superlative most asinine)

Failing to exercise intelligence or judgment; ridiculously below average rationality.
Of, pertaining to, or characteristic of donkeys.

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mki

14 years ago

Originally Posted by trishworks4u

Well about 1/3 of the posts in here make no sense (no, I'm not going to list which ones).

Honestly, if Google started shutting down Adsense accounts of those who "Aggregated Content", they'd be astounded at the monumental drop in their bottom line - instantly! Just one of the most assinine things to come out of the Big "G" (this week).

This is completely wrong.

So you're saying by removing garbage from their index, that the money would just disappear? The traffic would just go to legit websites instead and I'm pretty sure there's a lot of site owners like myself who would love some more.

I'm pretty sure people will stop using google if they keep finding these worthless auto blogs instead of legit content, I stopped using lycos, msn, and yahoo when those indexes turned into spam soup and I'll stop using google if they don't continue to scrub the massive tsunami of filth from their index.

Really, do you really want to be a spammer and have to worry about losing accounts or getting removed from serps? Stay away from auto blogs, seriously...

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mki

This is completely wrong.

So you're saying by removing garbage from their index, that the money would just disappear? The traffic would just go to legit websites instead and I'm pretty sure there's a lot of site owners like myself who would love some more.

I'm pretty sure people will stop using google if they keep finding these worthless auto blogs instead of legit content, I stopped using lycos, msn, and yahoo when those indexes turned into spam soup and I'll stop using google if they don't continue to scrub the massive tsunami of filth from their index.

Really, do you really want to be a spammer and have to worry about losing accounts or getting removed from serps? Stay away from auto blogs, seriously...

I think you missed the entire point of Trish's post. You, like many other auto haters, simply came here to talk trash.

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paulie888 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

I think you missed the entire point of Trish's post. You, like many other auto haters, simply came here to talk trash.

This person definitely has no clue what autoblogging is really about. You'll find many haters like this popping up in threads about autoblogging who obviously have no experience or knowledge about the topic.
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  As long as your giving needed information as needed in a convenient (one) place.
  Giving the attributes as appropriate. You are performing a viable service.
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Henri J

14 years ago

I've never liked anything automated, but if you're helping people and providing value, then...

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jabbado

14 years ago

What about a noob like myself thinking of getting into IM. I've looked at a few of the "sites for sale" that are based around autoblogs and some of them are very well done for the asking price. Something that would take me months to setup myself. Would it be a good idea to start with an autoblog just to get something up and going, and gradually increase the self-content? And do autoblogs hurt you when trying to join the majority of affiliate programs?

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daangertenaar

14 years ago

Auto blogs do work, but I wouldn't use them if I were you. Human's still beat robots.

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Chris The Traffic Blogger

14 years ago

Don't do it. Just don't, they work and then you get banned and they don't. End of story.

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KostasPapahatzis 14 years ago

You don't have to go for Auto blogs; spend some time making a few blogs with 20 or so pages that you write yourself and offer some value. You will do much better.
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BlogPiG.com

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris The Traffic Blogger

Don't do it. Just don't, they work and then you get banned and they don't. End of story.

Er, in your opinion or your experience! Others have a very, VERY, different experience. It's perfectly possible to have an autoblog which lasts indefinitely if it's managed properly.

But as others have said, using an autoblog isn't a license to produce spammy rubbish which is of no use to people searching for information or products.

IMHO, autoblogs which do have an element of human intervention are often some of the best blogs out there. Automate every aspect you can (tagging, managing product datafeeds, managing links etc.) and then spend the spare time this buys you adding value in other areas, like content or responding in a valuable way to people generous enough to comment on your blog.

Then you'll have an excellent blog, which offers value to readers and it will better be able to earn you an income!

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trishworks4u

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BlogPiG.com

Er, in your opinion or your experience! Others have a very, VERY, different experience. It's perfectly possible to have an autoblog which lasts indefinitely if it's managed properly.

But as others have said, using an autoblog isn't a license to produce spammy rubbish which is of no use to people searching for information or products.

IMHO, autoblogs which do have an element of human intervention are often some of the best blogs out there. Automate every aspect you can (tagging, managing product datafeeds, managing links etc.) and then spend the spare time this buys you adding value in other areas, like content or responding in a valuable way to people generous enough to comment on your blog.

Then you'll have an excellent blog, which offers value to readers and it will better be able to earn you an income!

Well said.

Glad to see that you are finally out there and advertising your "stuff" more. (b/c it's great). I've had CommentPig on my Mage autoblogs for a very long time because it's a feature that is sorely lacking in that platform (one of the reasons I stopped using it). CommentPig is a great plugin!

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BlogPiG.com

14 years ago

Originally Posted by trishworks4u

Well said.

Glad to see that you are finally out there and advertising your "stuff" more. (b/c it's great). I've had CommentPig on my Mage autoblogs for a very long time because it's a feature that is sorely lacking in that platform (one of the reasons I stopped using it). CommentPig is a great plugin!

Well, we finally have some time and resource to get our heads out of the lab and join the real world again! For a week or so, at any rate! I hope to contribute something helpful in return for all I glean from this forum.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Much appreciated, really.

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paulie888

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris The Traffic Blogger

Don't do it. Just don't, they work and then you get banned and they don't. End of story.

You're sadly mistaken, and obviously don't know how to use an autoblog plugin in the proper manner. Please don't further confuse the issue for many newbies who already have preconceived and mistaken ideas about autoblogging.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by paulie888

Please don't further confuse the issue for many newbies who already have preconceived and mistaken ideas about autoblogging.

These types of posts happen quite often (and not only in AB threads)...I refer to them as doing a "drive by".

Shame it happens as much as it does. It would be totally different if the poster gave some info or evidence to support the post but that rarely happens.

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paulie888

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

These types of posts happen quite often (and not only in AB threads)...I refer to them as doing a "drive by".

Shame it happens as much as it does. It would be totally different if the poster gave some info or evidence to support the post but that rarely happens.

These "drive by" comments are especially annoying when it's just a comment, without any proof or evidence to back up the assertion. This also happens quite a lot with the topic of domain TLDs and how they affect ranking.

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omk

14 years ago

Auto Blogs are not a scam, but they should be used wisely. I would advise you to use them in addition to regular blogging. AB's are just another tool in the IM bag of tricks. If not used wisely and conservatively they may do more harm than good.

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Rsberg 14 years ago

Originally Posted by warteg

Don't opt for autoblogs. They are just a waste of time & will get you ban from adsense & then eventually from search engines.

Another fine example of a drive by post.

No evidence to support the claims made, just a quick blurb about how bad something is and that's it.
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Chris Q

Banned 14 years ago

I do believe autoblogs are not a scam, but they totally SUCK because I don't earn anything from them (not even affiliates, Amazon, etc.) So far this system is already out of my closet.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lamposproject

I do believe autoblogs are not a scam, but they totally SUCK because I don't earn anything from them (not even affiliates, Amazon, etc.) So far this system is already out of my closet.

Sorry to hear they "SUCK" for you, ever stop to think it's something that you are doing wrong?

If this were true of all autoblogs or the method as a whole then it would no longer exist because it would "suck" for everyone and no one would keep doing it...

Something to think about.

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Tony Marriott 14 years ago

Auto Blogs, like pretty much most "internet marketing" concepts do work when impliments properly. The reality is that for any form of internet income you will always get a bunch of people who say "yes" and another bunch who say "no".

The reality is that those saying yes have probably understood and impliment the correct strategy for that particular method. Those that fail cleary didn't.

No-one does everything perfectly and by the very nature of humans some will be better at some things than others. In the real world a plumber might be rubbish at car repair but an expert mechanic can earn a fortune. The same is true on the internet.

If you want to try auto blogs then make sure you understand the good and the bad and use it as one more tool in your internet marketing stategy. Don't hang your hat on it!

Can Google de-index websites? yes of course, can Google ban your Adsense account? without a thought aparently, can copyright owners sue you? - probably. You don't have to have an auto blog to fall foul of these things.

Like everthing in life you should study the task ahead, make sure you undertand it, minimise risk and maximise reward, implement your plan, measure your results, modify yor plan for improvemnet. If it works, great, if it doesn't then take that learned experinece with you and improve your chance of a successful project next time.

Are auto blogs a scam? is like asking do you like cheese?
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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by projectmaster

i hear alot of mix reviews..some say they only short term?

Making money from autoblogs is like making money from sales.

Whether you make money, and for how long, and how much you make, depends a whole hell of a lot on exactly how you are doing it.

There are lots of scummy used car dealers out there who hard-sell everyone and make a commission about two percent of the time.

And then there are guys who work in corporate sales offices making a half dozen three-minute phone calls every week that end in seven-figure sales contracts.

Both of these people are making money from sales.

Which one do you suppose is making more money?

What do you think each of them would tell you about sales as a career choice?

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whiteshadow1890

Banned 14 years ago

From what i know, yes they are a scam, because google doesn't admin duplicate content.

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paulie888 14 years ago

Originally Posted by whiteshadow1890

From what i know, yes they are a scam, because google doesn't admin duplicate content.

Don't go throwing around half-truths and suppositions when you know nothing about this. You really need to educate yourself about duplicate content - if it is really such a bad thing, then why are there huge news aggregator sites like the Huffington Post which exist for the sole reason of propagating duplicate content?
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bouncingboy

14 years ago

As an author with lots of original work monitored by Google Alerts to find scrapers, I do file DMCA complaints with Google on Adsense publishers who steal my stuff. I know how to find the money site too. How many times can you roll the dice and not hit a 7?

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Summer1

14 years ago

I have an autoblog which works well, rank high, in the first page of Google in some countries, and 2nd page sometimes in google.com

Best way to monetize it is with affiliate marketing, and mix your content. This is my autoblog that can earn me money (not alot) with amazon associate, and affiliate marketing: top 10 antivirus.

The best autoblog plugin is wp robot because it mix the content and comments.

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LetsGoViral

14 years ago

Yep, they are scams and you shouldn't make them. I don't need any more competitors.

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Give someone a chunk of wood and a carving knife and what do you get?

> A small percentage will create a work of art.

> A somewhat larger percentage will create a pile of shavings.

> A large percentage will hand you back the wood and the knife, having done nothing with it and claiming that woodcarving is impossible or evil.

> A small percentage will produce a trip to the emergency room, having tried to use the carving knife as a hammer...

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Glenn Leader

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Give someone a chunk of wood and a carving knife and what do you get?

> A small percentage will create a work of art.

> A somewhat larger percentage will create a pile of shavings.

> A large percentage will hand you back the wood and the knife, having done nothing with it and claiming that woodcarving is impossible or evil.

> A small percentage will produce a trip to the emergency room, having tried to use the carving knife as a hammer...

LOL, now that is funny...I still have a smile on my face.

To all the nay sayers, you clearly have no idea about
how to build 'autoblogs' that pass the test of time. I've
been 'autoblogging' since about 2004-2005 on Blogspot
and WordPress (plus a few other platforms), and using
Adsense in many cases. Apart from the ones I dropped
for one reason or another, all of these blogs are still live,
and indexed, and doing the job they were intended for
(for the most part). The secret is to provide the content
that people are actually looking for, not some rubbish
that's barely readable, and posting in a natural organic
pattern.

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Danny McConnell

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Give someone a chunk of wood and a carving knife and what do you get?

> A small percentage will produce a trip to the emergency room, having tried to use the carving knife as a hammer...

Ah... I see someone recognizes me.

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samkak

14 years ago

autoblogs can make money if you know what you are doing.yes they are a nuisance for other,but if its about making money,you can.if not used with caution,your account can be banned.

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Furyx2

14 years ago

I got indexed and ranked on the 1st page within a couple of days before I even started backlinking. You just need the right plugins and the right competition.

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Rsberg 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Furyx2

I got indexed and ranked on the 1st page within a couple of days before I even started backlinking. You just need the right plugins and the right competition.

The things you mention are certianly part of the equation but as you know (or will soon learn) there is so much more to it.

Autoblogging can add value to the net and be done successfully but it does require work. Most importantly, it isn't "if you build it they will come" anymore, it's more like...

Build quality sites and they will come

I'm glad to hear about your success and hope it continues!
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penpal6

14 years ago

auto blogs are certainly not a scam. However, it is very risky to use them with Google Adsense. You can try various other advertising to monetise your blog. Also there are some plug-ins available like snapcontent which promises you to provide unique content.

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Alessandro Zamboni

14 years ago

Hi, the words of Glenn are correct.
Much depends on the way you are doing autoblogging.
My autoblogs are all indexed, and many in first place for the keywords used.

You need to add value and care about the keywords you choose.
All the rest will come automatically, Adsense money included.
Autoblogs and normal blogs have no differences in my income, the unique things it's the time used to add new articles to the normal blogs.

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acedring

14 years ago

don't do it it's not worth it

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Glenn Leader

14 years ago

Originally Posted by acedring

don't do it it's not worth it

It amazes me that with the wealth of evidence provided
in this thread, people still don't bother to read, they simply
come out with blanket statements, with no evidence to
support them.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

It amazes me that with the wealth of evidence provided
in this thread, people still don't bother to read, they simply
come out with blanket statements, with no evidence to
support them.

Glenn

Glenn,

I call that kind of post a "drive by" post and if you start reading the auto related threads you will most certainly see plenty of them by the auto haters. There are one or two individuals that I swear like to stalk me because I do regularly post in autoblogging threads and all they do is try to cause trouble and post things that are complete nonsense.

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Glenn Leader

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

Glenn,

I call that kind of post a "drive by" post and if you start reading the auto related threads you will most certainly see plenty of them by the auto haters. There are one or two individuals that I swear like to stalk me because I do regularly post in autoblogging threads and all they do is try to cause trouble and post things that are complete nonsense.

What a waste of their time posting in the first place.
It shows their ignorance, and this will have an affect
on their public persona. Their comments are the same
as the anti article spinning brigade. Ignorant and groundless.

Glenn

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biscuit85

14 years ago

autoblogs per se is generally ok as long u provide good content. but many many autoblogs just scrap sites

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pethanks

14 years ago

I think it is not because I also using some auto blog software for my site and I find them very helpful.

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Steven Miranda

14 years ago

Anything automatic will have its disadvantages. Do auto-blogging wrong and you won't get very far.

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Rsberg 14 years ago

Originally Posted by imationx

Do auto-blogging wrong and you won't get very far.

Do anything wrong and you wont get very far...

That's not just exclusive to autoblogging like many think.
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Michael Forey

14 years ago

I think the people that have problems with auto blogs, do one of two things wrong.

1. they put a whole bunch of content (posts) on a brand new domain. It must look natureal (random)
2. just throw up content. I have successfully spun content with wpspin using the best spinner API and done fine.

They still work for me!

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mkmossop

14 years ago

I'm almost done setting up 70 wordpress autoblogs. I've put a lot of work into SEO research, and spent time setting them up so they look nice.

My goal is to simply make $0.1 each per blog per day with adsense... so $7 a day. I know that's not much, but if it works I would add many more.

I have absolutely no idea how this is going to work out. The first blog I set up about two weeks ago has a tiny tiny bit of traffic. With a 10% CTR (which seems possible I think) I'd only need maybe 10 visitors a day to make $0.1 per autoblog.

Also, does anyone have any recommendations for what to use for monetary purposes?

I was gonna go with adsense, but don't wanna get my account banned. What about Amazon, Chitika, Clickbank, etc?

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mkmossop

I'm almost done setting up 70 wordpress autoblogs. I've put a lot of work into SEO research, and spent time setting them up so they look nice.

My goal is to simply make $0.1 each per blog per day with adsense... so $7 a day. I know that's not much, but if it works I would add many more.

I have absolutely no idea how this is going to work out. The first blog I set up about two weeks ago has a tiny tiny bit of traffic. With a 10% CTR (which seems possible I think) I'd only need maybe 10 visitors a day to make $0.1 per autoblog.

Also, does anyone have any recommendations for what to use for monetary purposes?

I was gonna go with adsense, but don't wanna get my account banned. What about Amazon, Chitika, Clickbank, etc?

If you've spent the time to build quality sites then the chances of your account being banned is much less. I have had my account running on autoblogs for a while now with no issues. I will say it is not my main method of monetization but it is there. I prefer affiliate products on my sites...CB, CJ...etc etc. Having said that...what will work best for you and your style/approach will only be determined by testing and tweaking...what works for one wont always work for others. You might find you do better with one thing and not another...

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mkmossop

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

If you've spent the time to build quality sites then the chances of your account being banned is much less.

Define quality site, lol.

All of the content is coming from a single source, and is merely translated.

Also, all 70 sites are a sub-niche of one single niche, which is the main domain.

I.e. subniche1.niche.com, subniche2.niche.com, etc.

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Rsberg 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mkmossop

Define quality site, lol.

One that doesnt just look like you threw a bucket load of content at it instantly in the hopes to draw some traffic. One that the content itself is high quality, readable and related to what your readers want to see. One that you took a little bit of time developing initially...just because you use some tools to automate it doesnt mean you cant care about how it is built, especially initially (the automation can help you later but build a good site first).

All of the content is coming from a single source, and is merely translated.

This is fine as long as it is allowed in the TOS from the source you are getting the content from. Many places dont allow for "spinning" the content you post (which is what most of those translation softwares do)...may want to make sure it is allowed first.

Also and very important to your autoblogging success...make sure the spinning doesnt turn it into some unreadable junk. Many people have failed by allowing this type of stuff to be posted to their blogs. If it looks like crap to you then it's going to look that way to everyone.

Also, all 70 sites are a sub-niche of one single niche, which is the main domain.

This is fine...not my preferred approach but I know others who do it this way. Whatever works for you to be honest.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by mkmossop

Also, all 70 sites are a sub-niche of one single niche, which is the main domain.

I.e. subniche1.niche.com, subniche2.niche.com, etc.

any further comments on this. I was thinking of the exact same strategy in order to save money on domain registration fees.

What about this alternative:

niche1.generictitle.com, niche2.generictitle.com, etc.

I'm considering trying out autoblogging, but do not want to be restricted to a single niche.

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Brendan Mace

14 years ago

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by co2

Or do you guys use a separate domain for each autoblog?

I prefer seperate domains for each, overall I think it's just easier to manage and keep track of everything...at least for me.

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mkmossop

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

I prefer seperate domains for each, overall I think it's just easier to manage and keep track of everything...at least for me.

You can install Wordpress on each subdomain and have a separate login for each... if you're using Wordpress that is.

It can save a LOT of money on domains too (only need one as opposed to 100... or however many).

Anyway just my experience.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mkmossop

You can install Wordpress on each subdomain and have a separate login for each... if you're using Wordpress that is.

It can save a LOT of money on domains too (only need one as opposed to 100... or however many).

Anyway just my experience.

To each his/her own...hope it works for you.

I would advise you to get multiple hosting accounts and spread your blogs across them as you start to amass several. You can (depending on their size) have several on one account. There are a few reason for this but one of the main reasons is that it helps you keep the rest of your blogs if one draws unwated attention. If for some reason one of your blogs does something to fall out of grace and gets "slapped" and all of your other blogs are on the same account (or worse yet...subdomains)they can be easily traced and get slapped along with the first one.

Spreading them out avoids this. I haven't had any issues yet but better to be safe than sorry...

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wallstreeterwww 14 years ago

Rsberg, what about using mutiple ip's? Wouldnt this also help keep the sites seperate if they were all hosted under the same hosting account?
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  Rsberg, what about using mutiple ip's? Wouldnt this also help keep the sites seperate if they were all hosted under the same hosting account?
  
  To some degree yes and certainly more than having them on the same IP.
  
  Don't get me wrong, I host 12 or so on the same plan but do prefer to spread them out over different plans. I even have some on different hosts as well....I just prefer to play it safe if I can.
  
  I'm not totally dependent on my autoblogs income but that doesn't mean I want to lose it if something were to happen either.
  
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mki

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

To each his/her own...hope it works for you.

I would advise you to get multiple hosting accounts and spread your blogs across them as you start to amass several. You can (depending on their size) have several on one account. There are a few reason for this but one of the main reasons is that it helps you keep the rest of your blogs if one draws unwated attention. If for some reason one of your blogs does something to fall out of grace and gets "slapped" and all of your other blogs are on the same account (or worse yet...subdomains)they can be easily traced and get slapped along with the first one.

Spreading them out avoids this. I haven't had any issues yet but better to be safe than sorry...

As a former spammer this isn't good enough, you're going to get caught, I did. How do you expect to make money with out drawing attention to what you are doing? You need to setup legit services and outsource the support, get other people using your service, then play it off like it's not your fault when you do get caught, because eventually you will, and there goes your domains and every other site at that hosting account.

Do you really think white hats aren't going to report your trash when it shows up higher in the serps then them? I don't because I have better things to do, but don't think somebody else wouldn't do it even for a second.

There's always two sides to this and I have no idea why people are so quick to assume that spamming SEs is a good way to get started in this business, because it's not. It's an excellent way for newcomers to waste money and time.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mki

As a former spammer this isn't good enough, you're going to get caught, I did. How do you expect to make money with out drawing attention to what you are doing? You need to setup legit services and outsource the support, get other people using your service, then play it off like it's not your fault when you do get caught, because eventually you will, and there goes your domains and every other site at that hosting account.

Do you really think white hats aren't going to report your trash when it shows up higher in the serps then them? I don't because I have better things to do, but don't think somebody else wouldn't do it even for a second.

There's always two sides to this and I have no idea why people are so quick to assume that spamming SEs is a good way to get started in this business, because it's not. It's an excellent way for newcomers to waste money and time.

Once again...nothing but trash talking. You think that simply because you used to be a "spammer" (self admitted) that you can equate what you used to do to autoblogging...sorry, it just isn't the same.

I only offered ways to avoid possible issues but if you note the rest of this thread, many of us suggest building QUALITY sites which wouldnt be considered spammy and do offer value to the net as a whole.

The only one talking about spamming the SE's is you.

BTW..."white hats" don't report my "trash" because I don't build trash. I would imagine that most people who land on my autoblogs wouldn't even recognize them as autoblogs. Sure...the typical IMer might but I doubt even most here would see mine as an autoblog initially. This is because I build quality sites that aren't spammy and they do offer value.

Im going to guess that you hate them so much because you either failed at autoblogging or as you said yourself...got caught building spammy sites and think that just because it happened to you that everyone must be doing the same thing. This is pretty typical when it comes to the vast majority of the auto haters here.

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mkmossop

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

To each his/her own...hope it works for you.

I would advise you to get multiple hosting accounts and spread your blogs across them as you start to amass several. You can (depending on their size) have several on one account. There are a few reason for this but one of the main reasons is that it helps you keep the rest of your blogs if one draws unwated attention. If for some reason one of your blogs does something to fall out of grace and gets "slapped" and all of your other blogs are on the same account (or worse yet...subdomains)they can be easily traced and get slapped along with the first one.

Spreading them out avoids this. I haven't had any issues yet but better to be safe than sorry...

Hmm ok... obviously a lot I still don't know about this. I'll just have to see how these first 70 go and go from there.

Also, do you use WP Syndicate or any other similar plugin or program?

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Rsberg 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mkmossop

Also, do you use WP Syndicate or any other similar plugin or program?

No, I don't use that plugin. I use my own custom software.
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mkmossop

14 years ago

I have it set at two posts throughout the day randomly... and the sites all look clean and have a set of plugins seo pack, ping optimizer, etc).

The content is decent for the most part, but definitely isn't perfect. Translation does mess up some parts of the text so they don't make perfect sense, but it's not "unreadable junk".

How bad is this? If I have 70 blogs I can't check and edit them all every day. How do you get away from this if it's automated? I basically just accepted that it's not gonna be perfect, but if it gets my adsense account banned then that's not good.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mkmossop

The content is decent for the most part, but definitely isn't perfect. Translation does mess up some parts of the text so they don't make perfect sense, but it's not "unreadable junk".

I've used soem of those translation systems before and eventually dumped them for other methods. I just didnt like the low quality of the posts they produced. You may find that you have a different experience. Most importantly I didn't like the ethical questions it raises when useing software that is made for this purpose.

How bad is this? If I have 70 blogs I can't check and edit them all every day. How do you get away from this if it's automated? I basically just accepted that it's not gonna be perfect, but if it gets my adsense account banned then that's not good.

If the software your using has the ability to allow you to check the posts prior to them posting then that would be al alternative. If it gathers the content and puts them in que to drip feed over time then you might be able to spend a little time and check each blogs content for a week in advance of it posting it. Automation can't do everything for you unfortunately, it can make many tasks much easier but in the end you will need to do some things.

Personally I wouldnt use Adsense on sites that this software develops. I would try affiliate offers or use them to give out your own special report to capture email addresses and start building your list or as part of your own link building network...etc etc...there are several different options available.

When it comes to my Adsesne account (and I will admit Adsense is not my speciality) I am a bit more cautous. I do have it on some of my autoblogs but it's on those that I have a good mixture of content from several different sources...including my own unique content mixed in. As I said though, Adsense is not my "speciality" (if you will) so take that advice for what it is worth, others might have better advice when it comes to Adsense.

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mkmossop

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

I've used soem of those translation systems before and eventually dumped them for other methods. I just didnt like the low quality of the posts they produced. You may find that you have a different experience. Most importantly I didn't like the ethical questions it raises when useing software that is made for this purpose.

Can I ask what methods exactly?

Originally Posted by Rsberg

If the software your using has the ability to allow you to check the posts prior to them posting then that would be al alternative. If it gathers the content and puts them in que to drip feed over time then you might be able to spend a little time and check each blogs content for a week in advance of it posting it. Automation can't do everything for you unfortunately, it can make many tasks much easier but in the end you will need to do some things.

Yes this is what it does. Thing is with 70 blogs that would be quite time consuming. I guess maybe I should have started with fewer blogs, lol. I just figured it would be easier to make $0.10 per blogs with lots of blogs, than $1 per blog with fewer blogs.

Actually before I started this whole thing I thought I would post unedited content from other sources, and simply give a link and credit back to the original source... this way no errors or unreadable parts. Then I thought maybe this was a bad idea because Google wouldn't rank my site cause it's duplicate content. However maybe they would rank it if I had a huge number of posts on the subject the site covered and it could be seen as an authority site?

Anyone have any suggestions as which is the better way to go?

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mkmossop

Can I ask what methods exactly?

I won’t name the software but I will tell you that it would allow me to either choose an article to translate or that it would auto translate all content on the site...such as articles, yahoo answers...etc

It would translate from English to a chosen language and then back to English. I think it even had the capability to add in a third language but I never used that.

I also noticed that it sometimes changed the meaning of the content as well...between this and the poor readability of the content after spinning it I decided the quality wasn’t up to my standards. I also took issue with it ethically which was the biggest hurdle I just couldn’t cross personally.

Originally Posted by mkmossop

Yes this is what it does. Thing is with 70 blogs that would be quite time consuming. I guess maybe I should have started with fewer blogs, lol. I just figured it would be easier to make $0.10 per blogs with lots of blogs, than $1 per blog with fewer blogs.

I understand your concerns but it's not as hard as you would think...I do it with several more than you are talking about now. It's really a matter of discipline and getting used to it. One dollar a day (or an average of) really isn’t that difficult either. It will take you some time to figure out what works best for you but I would imagine (if you stick with it) that one day you will make some change somewhere to how you do things or how your sites are set up (and it could be a small change) and then it will "click". Several autobloggers told me that very thing and once they made those discoveries that’s when the steady money started coming in. This happened to me a little over 2 years ago and it was amazong how big a difference such a small change made. I simply rearraged a few ad placements on my sites and changed how the content appeared (as far as order and placement) and all of a sudden my blogs started making money. I'm not saying it is easy...it's not...what I am saying is that the smallest changes can make a very big difference.

Originally Posted by mkmossop

Actually before I started this whole thing I thought I would post unedited content from other sources, and simply give a link and credit back to the original source... this way no errors or unreadable parts. Then I thought maybe this was a bad idea because Google wouldn't rank my site cause it's duplicate content. However maybe they would rank it if I had a huge number of posts on the subject the site covered and it could be seen as an authority site?

Anyone have any suggestions as which is the better way to go?

That is a common misconception across all of IM (not just autoblogging). Duplicate content isn't an issue as you are understanding it. What you need to worry about as far as duplicate content is concerned is having the same piece of content on the same site more than once. If duplicate content were simply republishing content that has already been posted somewhere else on the net then sites like Ezine, Associated Press and even Google itself would be in trouble.

It's best to leave the content as it was originally and always give the links back to the original source if you can. The best thing you can do for your sites performance and its value to the reader is to take a few extra minutes building a quality site with good content that offers value. I know it may take a few more minutes per site initially but trust me...it will make a world of difference in the end.

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mkmossop

14 years ago

Hey... thanks again for the reply... I really appreciate you taking the time to write all of this.

Originally Posted by Rsberg

That is a common misconception across all of IM (not just autoblogging). Duplicate content isn't an issue as you are understanding it. What you need to worry about as far as duplicate content is concerned is having the same piece of content on the same site more than once. If duplicate content were simply republishing content that has already been posted somewhere else on the net then sites like Ezine, Associated Press and even Google itself would be in trouble.

It's best to leave the content as it was originally and always give the links back to the original source if you can. The best thing you can do for your sites performance and its value to the reader is to take a few extra minutes building a quality site with good content that offers value. I know it may take a few more minutes per site initially but trust me...it will make a world of difference in the end.

Well my concern really with the whole "duplicate content" thing was if an article is posted on my site as well as on say ezines, why would Google send traffic to my site as opposed to the original article on ezines? I suppose this would have to do with site quality, backlinks, etc.

Originally Posted by Rsberg

I understand your concerns but it's not as hard as you would think...I do it with several more than you are talking about now. It's really a matter of discipline and getting used to it.

If I were to leave the original content in tact then it doesn't seem like there'd really be any need to edit and clean up the content... other than maybe deleting articles that are just written horribly.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mkmossop

Hey... thanks again for the reply... I really appreciate you taking the time to write all of this.

You're welcome...glad I could offer some help.

Originally Posted by mkmossop

Well my concern really with the whole "duplicate content" thing was if an article is posted on my site as well as on say ezines, why would Google send traffic to my site as opposed to the original article on ezines? I suppose this would have to do with site quality, backlinks, etc.

It has a lot to do with both of those things. Many autobloggers will tell you that they often outrank the original sites that their content comes from. This is very possible and not as difficult to do as you would think. I won't say it happens all of the time or that it is easy because there are a lot of factors involved here - niche, level of competition, backlinks, on and off page SEO...etc etc. The point is that it can be done and all of this is part of the learning phase, testing and tweaking, making changes here and there to improve your sites quality...etc etc

If you rank well for your keyword(s) you will get traffic...regardless of where that content came from originally or where else it's already posted.

Originally Posted by mkmossop

If I were to leave the original content in tact then it doesn't seem like there'd really be any need to edit and clean up the content... other than maybe deleting articles that are just written horribly.

Exactly!

There is some pretty amazing software out there that offers attractive features and make bold promises but that doesn't mean you have to use them. I'm not saying you can't use any automation...not at all...I'm a huge fan of it. All I am saying is that the majority of the successful autobloggers I know who have been around a while (and will most likely still be autoblogging for a long time to come) approach things a bit differently than the rest. Times have changed and qualtiy really does matter. A few years ago people would just build crappy sites full of a ton of content and rank well and make money...those days are fading fast (if they aren't already gone). You can build quality sites that offer value with automation tools if you just pay attention to what is posted to your sites.

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mkmossop

14 years ago

Alright... well I guess I'm off to delete all of the content I posted to the sites, lol.

No big deal though... only posted it all a few days ago. I'm more comfortable with not translating for moral reasons like you said anyway.

Guess I'll have to work on getting some backlinks as well, which will take a while for 70 sites.

Anyway thanks again

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mello87

14 years ago

Autobloggers will come unstuck soon. Google is massively changing its algorithms to throw these out of any sort of ranking strategy. Blog farms will be gone, and any other crappy site with poor content and misinformation that doesnt really help anyone. Its time to diversify and profit. This will happen, and it will be a massive shock to anyone with autoblogs/blog farms.

Chris

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mello87

Autobloggers will come unstuck soon. Google is massively changing its algorithms to throw these out of any sort of ranking strategy. Blog farms will be gone, and any other crappy site with poor content and misinformation that doesnt really help anyone. Its time to diversify and profit. This will happen, and it will be a massive shock to anyone with autoblogs/blog farms.

Chris

Do you have any idea how long auto haters have been saying this?

Any idea how many previous changes made by Google were supposed to "kill autobogs"?

Any idea how many threads there are here already covering your point of view?

When you have something more than just a "drive by" comment to add to the discussion please rejoin us...until then, the haters already have several threads here that I'm sure would welcome your banter.

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stanislavlem

14 years ago

I really don;t believe in autoblog!

If you remeber the main goal of Search Engines is to provide high quality unique results!

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JohnMcCabe 14 years ago

Originally Posted by stanislavlem

I really don;t believe in autoblog!

If you remeber the main goal of Search Engines is to provide high quality unique results!

Stanislav, you almost have that right. The main goal of search engines is not "to provide high quality unique results."

The main goal of the search engines is to provide a high-quality user experience, so that users continue to use their SE and advertisers continue to fill their coffers.

If SEs were purely about unique results, aggregator sites like the Drudge Report would quickly go under. As would most news sites. And most shopping comparison sites. I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

The main reason SEs like Google are coming out against thin sites, spammy sites and poorly done automated sites (not just "autoblogs") is because they create a poor user experience, not because they aren't unique.

Most article spinners are capable of putting out "unique" content, at least as judged by the automated content checkers like Copyscape. That unique content is also often keyword stuffed crapola... and that's what the SEs want to get rid of...
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TZ 14 years ago

Originally Posted by stanislavlem

I really don;t believe in autoblog!

If you remeber the main goal of Search Engines is to provide high quality unique results!

Your right. I don't believe in lousy autoblogs either.

That's why I worked so hard to create an autoblog system that re-writes thoroughly and well.

That's why I have no problem running Adsense on them. Before you configure an autoblog for Adsense you have to understand the Adsense TOS.

Don't forget that the term "autoblog" is the same thing as the term Aggregator.

What is Google or any other search engine doing? THEY ARE SCRAPING OTHER PEOPLE'S CONTENT AND SURROUNDING THAT CONTENT WITH THEIR ADVERTISING. I hate to yell like that, but the "autoblogs is bad" meme is ridiculous.

Love TZ
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penpal6

14 years ago

one thing is for sure. It is very risky to monetise yourauto blog with Google AdSense

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douglas88

14 years ago

51% autoblogs scam / 49% autoblogs work ??? I confused ! does anybody know ? thanks

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TZ 14 years ago

Originally Posted by douglas88

51% autoblogs scam / 49% autoblogs work ??? I confused ! does anybody know ? thanks

I would say that it's more like 80% rubbish and MAYBE 20% create quality.

There is no scam here. Some of the popular autoblog systems produce content that Google can't "stomach" and don't get traffic, and henceforth, don't make money. They don't reproduce content that has anything different or original.

A smart autoblogging package has VARIOUS scripts running in the background to create a professional looking site, with content that has some originality and freshness to it.

Any autoblog system that claims to work STANDALONE is false.

There is allot more to it than just pulling content from feeds and publishing it on your domain. That is an EASY script to write (PHP or ASP). It's a big SO WHAT.

What has to happen is;

- rewritten by phrase
- auto interlinking
- auto tagging
- no duplicate pulling
- proper permalink structure
- optimized theme

....just to mention a small group of variables.

Also you HAVE to know how to choose feeds properly, and choose niches properly.

Just grabbing any autoblogging software or script and pulling feeds randomly is a recipe for failure.

Another thing I don't agree with on the forum sometimes is that running Adsense is such a big risk. SURE - if your autoblog(s) create a garbage site because you don't do it properly.
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Wiggy0618

14 years ago

Ok, so for you folks that *are* using - and succeeding with - autoblogs, can you give a few tips as to what it takes to make them work?

(I ask b/c I'm very seriously considering autoblogging myself - have had WP Magic recommended to me.)

For instance, when you grab the content, why spin it? If you're assuming (just for the sake of discussion if nothing else) that the content you're getting is indeed quality content, why not just leave it as is instead of messing w/it and risk screwing it up? (Of course, leaving the appropriate resource box or whatever to give the original author credit.)

Is it just so that you don't have to post the resource boxes and can therefore keep people on your site (and having them click on your adsense, affiliate ads, etc instead)?

And just what all should be automated? I know grabbing the content should be, as well as posting it (and the posting should be varied). Pinging is a no-brainer, and some automated link-building / content syndication (I've heard some about WP Syndicator, but my buddy and fellow WFer Bill Davis has a great method of integrating RSS, HootSuite, ping.fm, and posterous that's pretty cool). I wanna say there's a WSO for automatic social bookmarking (not sure though) and I know there's also an automatic RSS feed creator/submitter you could install.

Now, I'm not autoblogging expert (know very little, actually), but I can't help but think that if you choose your KWs/niche properly, and setup the above well, that it'd be fairly easy (relatively speaking, of course) to succeed?

Maybe I'm wrong?

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TZ 14 years ago

Everything has to be automated and automated well.

The only thing I don't automate is the synonym phrase list because that should be done as per the specific niche.

You have to rewrite (or spin) the content or you won't capitalize on your autoblog. Each post has to have some originality to it as far the search engines see it.

There are plenty of autoblog systems out there, but most of them are standalone, and you need to be processing your content more that just pulling content.
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Rsberg

14 years ago

I personally don't spin or rewrite any content except for PLR or my own articles.

I know some do and succeed with it but it's not my idea of ethical marketing. Someone else wrote most of the content on my sites and I don't feel as though I have the right to change their work. It wouldn't be on my sites to begin with if I didn't feel it were good enough so why rewrite it? I haven't had issues with ranking by using other peoples content so I see no need to alter it.

I "process" my content by managing what exactly is posted to my sites and grouping it together so it's presented well and contains good information from a wide variety of sources...I feel this offers value to the reader and the net. If it doesn’t meet my standards then it doesn’t get posted.

I focus on building quality sites...this may take me a bit more time initially but in the end it pays off and I feel much better about them because I know I didn't break any ethical or legal rules.

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Jack Clark

14 years ago

Can autoblogging work? Yes. Is it easy? No. You have to have a good strategy otherwise you will find that Google deindexes you very quickly and all the time and money you invested will be for nothing. To succeed with autoblogging, you need to leave few footprints. Search the forum for more info, there is plenty.

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mki

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jack Clark

Can autoblogging work? Yes. Is it easy? No. You have to have a good strategy otherwise you will find that Google deindexes you very quickly and all the time and money you invested will be for nothing. To succeed with autoblogging, you need to leave few footprints. Search the forum for more info, there is plenty.

Or... You could just run legit sites with unique content that you wrote, leave "footprints" everywhere, do your seo completely wrong, build any kind of backlinks you want, and not worry about losing domains.

Seriously, you can make money with 1 blog and 1 page of content, why do people think it's important to have tons of sites and tons of domains filled with snippets of word soup? The time you waste tricking google into thinking there's something of value there you could just create something of value ...

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mki

The time you waste tricking google into thinking there's something of value there you could just create something of value ...

And the time you waste talking trash and spreading your auto hating ways could be spent building something of value as well... or possibly contributing something of value here maybe...something more than simply talking trash.

In 3 posts here all you did was offer your opinion (and a very narrow minded one at that).

If you don't like autoblogging that's fine but if you can't offer something of value to the thread then maybe you should find one that better suits you and is more to your liking.

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mki

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

And the time you waste talking trash and spreading your auto hating ways could be spent building something of value as well... or possibly contributing something of value here maybe...something more than simply talking trash.

In 3 posts here all you did was offer your opinion (and a very narrow minded one at that).

If you don't like autoblogging that's fine but if you can't offer something of value to the thread then maybe you should find one that better suits you and is more to your liking.

Talking trash? Where exactly was I talking trash?

You're discussing how you hide your activities from SEs, I pointed out that you need to do a better job of it. Seems pretty valuable to me, but I'm just a big hater with no experience and I have no clue what I'm talking about right? Pretty sure you've gotten domains de-indexed and so have many other people, so why you're talking trash to me when I'm talking about the dirty truth: it just makes absolutely no sense to me.

Show me an autoblog that isn't liable to being sued for copyright infringement, isn't scraped content, or isn't word soup, you can't because there's no point in autoblogging if that isn't going on. Maybe I am ignorant and you've somehow mastered bonafide legit autoblogging and I'll stand corrected if so. But if not and you're getting paid, somebody can pay a lawyer to hunt you down and they will find you sooner or later, when that happens what are you going to do?

Is autoblogging a scam? Every single time I've ever encountered it, yes 100%. Maybe Rsberg can set the record straight.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mki

Talking trash? Where exactly was I talking trash?

In all 3 of your posts here in this thread...

All of your posts revolve around calling autoblogging spam or some other form of useless content. That may have been what it used to be but not the way I do it or the way many of the people I know do it.

Your posts are pretty typical of many of the auto haters within this forum.

Originally Posted by mki

You're discussing how you hide your activities from SEs, I pointed out that you need to do a better job of it. Seems pretty valuable to me, but I'm just a big hater with no experience and I have no clue what I'm talking about right?

No...I wasnt talking about how to "hide" anything. What I was talking about was how to protect your sites should something happen to one that you dont want happening to the others. If I were trying to "hide" my sites or activity I wouldnt put a lot of the info I do on my sites...sitemaps, about pages, contact info, links to other related sites I own...etc etc

I didn't say you had no experience...what I asid was that many like you often have no experience or are only posting those types of comment based on your own faliures using autoblogging. I have spoken in great lengths with more than a few auto haters and most have a few things in common.:

1. They failed at it so they think no one else can do it
2. They got thier sites deindexed so everyone else has to have also
3. They built spammy sites so surely everyone else is too

Do we see a pattern here???

Originally Posted by mki

Pretty sure you've gotten domains de-indexed and so have many other people, so why you're talking trash to me when I'm talking about the dirty truth: it just makes absolutely no sense to me.

Actually no...I haven't had any sites deindexed. I have had sites do the "dance" that all sites do and many people confuse with deindexing. The difference is that after a short period of time my sites come back and typically rank higher than they did before.

By the way...I know several other autobloggers here on the WF and other forums that havent had any deindexed either.

The thing you fail to see is what those of us who currently have success with autoblogging are doing differently. Not ALL autoblogs are crappy sites or spam...thats the big difference!

Originally Posted by mki

Show me an autoblog that isn't liable to being sued for copyright infringement, isn't scraped content, or isn't word soup, you can't because there's no point in autoblogging if that isn't going on.

As mentioned above...things are done differently now. Maybe in your days of spamming all of these activities were common place but not today. I would also go as far as to say that those were the reasons you had problems with it in the first place.

I dont have a single site that fits any of the things you described above and I would certinaly consider them autoblogs as 90% or more of the work is automated in one way or another.

Originally Posted by mki

Maybe I am ignorant and you've somehow mastered bonafide legit autoblogging and I'll stand corrected if so. But if not and you're getting paid, somebody can pay a lawyer to hunt you down and they will find you sooner or later, when that happens what are you going to do?

In this particular case I wouldnt call you "ignorant", what I would say is that you are blindly applying an old generalization to new techniques and tactics without even giving thought to the possibilities that people are in fact doing things legitimately, ethically and most importantly...legally!

I am not worried about anyone "hunting me down with a lawyer"...no need to worry if you are doing things the right way!

Originally Posted by mki

Is autoblogging a scam? Every single time I've ever encountered it, yes 100%. Maybe Rsberg can set the record straight.

I feel I have (in some small way) "set the record straight".

I've spent many hours talking to other autobloggers (both pros, intermediates and newbies alike) and many of them that I've talked to have either adapted to the changes that times bring or want to change the ways they autoblog. I'm not saying I'm some kind of autoblogging savior...not at all...simply that autoblogging isn't what it used to be.

It really bothers me when someone like you (or the many other auto haters out there) come to threads like this (or start their own) and make the generalizations that you have here. Not ALL autobloging is spam, not ALL autoblogging is a "scam"...the list goes on and on...

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mki

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

It really bothers me when someone like you (or the many other auto haters out there) come to threads like this (or start their own) and make the generalizations that you have here. Not ALL autobloging is spam, not ALL autoblogging is a "scam"...the list goes on and on...

I don't think you understand:

I get trackbacks from 100+ different domains that illegally scrape my content every week. If you've figured out how to do this legit (and you seem smart enough) then that's great for you (I'm being serious.) But, I think you need to move from the "autoblog" business and move to the "content aggregation" business because very simply put: I still don't see how you can autoblog and sleep at night. Are you sure you haven't manipulated good ideas and turned them into "autoblogging" because it sure sounds like it.

Autoblogging Acid Test: Are you legally and ethically using information to create a new source of information that people find valuable : you are a content aggregation service as long as you are not grossly misrepresenting your site, which again, every autoblog I have ever personally seen is either very vague as to what kind of content it's suppose to have ( = spam ) or provides no value to anyone what so ever, since the site owner has to filter and spin the RSS streams very heavily to get SEs to index them.

So why would you want to associate yourself with criminals if you aren't one? The other 99% doesn't seem to care that what they are doing isn't ethical and you choose to associate yourself with it draw out the "haters:" people like me who got sold a bunch of lies and got burned very badly.

The nature of how you promote the site plays a pretty big role in this as well:

Do you use profile backlinks? This isn't ethical sorry, you are manipulating search results by creating accounts in a way that they were not intended to be used. The pattern is pretty easily detectable as well since most of the IMers actually force SEs into indexing their insanely repetitive profiles.

Do you use scrapebox on sites that have not explicitly given you permission to? I'm pretty sure this is criminal in the US although I'm not aware of any precedent set. I have several versions of it and I don't think the tool itself is even licit (it's nothing but a spam bot, sorry, this is the same thing as chatroom/messanger/usenet spamming.) As always it depends on how you use it.

Are you mass creating accounts on social networking sites? Be careful, your actions could be misconstrued as fraud or you could be sued by the network(s) you are abusing.

The business itself just has a bad model, it's not scalable. To avoid getting caught you have to "skirt under the radar" and it's hard to make enough off the sites to justify doing it in the first place. If you blast one domain with 100k+ BLs to get the traffic into decent range the domain poofs out of the index in a few weeks and you're back at square one. If you don't build BLs to the domains they eventually get caught and *can* get de-indexed even if the domains are stagnant. To prevent the domains from poofing you have to spend time building up unique content: which brings me to my main point: why not just run regular blogs? If you get nuked, one email and hopefully you're back, with autoblogs, you just move onto the next domain.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mki

I get trackbacks from 100+ different domains that illegally scrape my content every week. If you've figured out how to do this legit (and you seem smart enough) then that's great for you (I'm being serious.) But, I think you need to move from the "autoblog" business and move to the "content aggregation" business because very simply put: I still don't see how you can autoblog and sleep at night. Are you sure you haven't manipulated good ideas and turned them into "autoblogging" because it sure sounds like it.

I think what we are talking about here is close to the same thing in some respects and way off in others...

In my opinion (and the opinions of many others I know), aggregating quality related content (from multiple sources that allow this) to a single site while adding in a percentage of unique content and presenting it in a way that offers value is autoblogging.

I think what you are referring to (and unfortunately experiencing) is the "autoblogging" of "yesteryear" when people simply scrapped content from anywhere without regard to legalities. As I said in one of my earlier posts...times change, things evolve.

Originally Posted by mki

Autoblogging Acid Test: Are you legally and ethically using information to create a new source of information that people find valuable

Yes I am...completely legally and ethically but I am not using information to create new information. I simply collect it and combine it together with my own content to form unique posts of related quality content.

Originally Posted by mki

you are a content aggregation service as long as you are not grossly misrepresenting your site, which again, every autoblog I have ever personally seen is either very vague as to what kind of content it's suppose to have ( = spam ) or provides no value to anyone what so ever, since the site owner has to filter and spin the RSS streams very heavily to get SEs to index them.

I rarely use RSS feeds (and when I do they link back appropriately), mostly articles from directories (with the links intact), Yahoo Answers, Amazon content, PLR, Unique Articles, YouTube videos...etc etc...all are approved sources for this type of thing. None of my sites are "vague" and IMO I provide value by bringing these quality sources together in one location while adding in my own to the mix. I also provide value in the form of the links to the original authors. I've received more than a few emails from authors thanking me for sending them links and customers...it can be “win win” if done properly.

Originally Posted by mki

So why would you want to associate yourself with criminals if you aren't one? The other 99% doesn't seem to care that what they are doing isn't ethical and you choose to associate yourself with it draw out the "haters:" people like me who got sold a bunch of lies and got burned very badly.

As for associating...like I said, I believe the times are changing for autoblogging and those doing it. If you were to stop and actually look around here (and other forums) you would see posts and threads where autobloggers talk about doing it the right way, ranking well because of this, building a reliable IM business from it and making pretty decent money as well. Like I said...times are changing. The only people who typically won't let go of the past are the ones who somehow got burnt by it and to some extent that is understandable but at some point you have to at least open your eyes to other possibilities and new directions.

Originally Posted by mki

The nature of how you promote the site plays a pretty big role in this as well:

Originally Posted by mki

· Do you use profile backlinks? This isn't ethical sorry, you are manipulating search results by creating accounts in a way that they were not intended to be used. The pattern is pretty easily detectable as well since most of the IMers actually force SEs into indexing their insanely repetitive profiles.

I'm not a big fan of profile linking. Have I done it before...yes, is it one of my main strategies...no. I would however say that this type of linking isn’t only used by autobloggers so trying to directly associate it as “related to” isn’t really fair to be honest. Does that make it ok that "everyone’s doing it"...no but once again, you can’t say it is solely used by autobloggers because it’s used by just about every approach in IM and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Originally Posted by mki

Do you use scrapebox on sites that have not explicitly given you permission to? I'm pretty sure this is criminal in the US although I'm not aware of any precedent set. I have several versions of it and I don't think the tool itself is even licit (it's nothing but a spam bot, sorry, this is the same thing as chatroom/messanger/usenet spamming.) As always it depends on how you use it.

Nope...don’t use scrapebox in that way. As a matter of fact I don't use it to get content at all. As far as content is concerned...like I said before, there are far too many legal ways to get it that using tools in this way just seems like a waste of time to me and I don't do business that way.

Originally Posted by mki

Are you mass creating accounts on social networking sites? Be careful, your actions could be misconstrued as fraud or you could be sued by the network(s) you are abusing.

Once again...nope, I don't do this either. I personally am VERY careful to avoid activities such as this. However, I will say that people who do use social networking sites to drive traffic (if done properly) are well within the typical rules...depending on the network involved.

Originally Posted by mki

The business itself just has a bad model, it's not scalable.

Sorry but we will have to agree to disagree on this point. I know too many people (myself included) who will argue otherwise. I know several people who do it the right way. Some of them I know have 500+ autoblogs, two that have over 800 and one (believe it or not) who has 1200 and countless others who have over 100. By no means do I think I know everyone in the Autoblogging world so there are most likely many others out there that fit this group. I talk to several of them regularly and none have reported any issues that would lend their business models (or individual sites) to your definition.

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To avoid getting caught you have to "skirt under the radar" and it's hard to make enough off the sites to justify doing it in the first place.

I don't feel as though I have to "skirt" anything. I don't "hide" anything or any other adjective you might use to describe avoiding something. As far as the amount is concerned I believe I addressed that above.

Originally Posted by mki

If you blast one domain with 100k+ BLs to get the traffic into decent range the domain poofs out of the index in a few weeks and you're back at square one.

Not true…not even close…I have several sites in the top three for fairly competitive keywords/phrases that get me pretty decent traffic with far less than 100K + BLs. I don’t even think I have any sites with more than 2000 BLs (at least that I created or outsourced). In fact I have a site that is two months old in a fairly competitive niche that only has 40 BLs and its been sitting at number 4 for the last 2 weeks. It bounced around (from day one) on the first page but it has settled nicely now and I will most likely start building more links to it soon.

Originally Posted by mki

If you don't build BLs to the domains they eventually get caught and *can* get de-indexed even if the domains are stagnant.

Sorry, I just haven’t had this issue…so I can’t relate.

Originally Posted by mki

To prevent the domains from poofing you have to spend time building up unique content: which brings me to my main point: why not just run regular blogs? If you get nuked, one email and hopefully you're back, with autoblogs, you just move onto the next domain.

The difference here is that I only add a small amount of unique content to my sites and most of it is outsource more to help with ranking, tie other pieces of content together (and not in an unethical way) and to keep the site going in the direction I want it to. Adding unique content to an autoblog isn’t against the “rules”, especially when the way it is added is through automation.

You ask why not run regular blogs…Autoblogging allows me to be venture into niches I wouldn’t otherwise. Also, I can build an autoblog (the way I do it) and fill it with enough content to drip feed for 4 to 6 weeks in about an hour. I then spend about 20 or 30 minutes every 4 to 6 weeks (per blog) adding more content (sometimes a bit more if I am doing something specific). So you ask me why not build a regular blog and I say I can build and manage over 100 autoblogs in the time most people spend doing just a couple regular blogs. I can tap into several markets at once instead of just one or even two in the same amount of time and because of this I can earn money from several different sources at one time where many regular bloggers cant, at least not in the scale I can.

You need to realize…I consider the blogs I build to be high quality and because of this I feel they offer value to both the reader and the net as a whole. You ask me how I sleep at night building autoblogs…my answer to that is…pretty well actually.

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mki

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

Not true...not even close...I have several sites in the top three for fairly competitive keywords/phrases that get me pretty decent traffic with far less than 100K + BLs. I don't even think I have any sites with more than 2000 BLs (at least that I created or outsourced). In fact I have a site that is two months old in a fairly competitive niche that only has 40 BLs and its been sitting at number 4 for the last 2 weeks. It bounced around (from day one) on the first page but it has settled nicely now and I will most likely start building more links to it soon.

Sorry, I just haven't had this issue...so I can't relate.

The difference here is that I only add a small amount of unique content to my sites and most of it is outsource more to help with ranking, tie other pieces of content together (and not in an unethical way) and to keep the site going in the direction I want it to. Adding unique content to an autoblog isn't against the "rules", especially when the way it is added is through automation.

You ask why not run regular blogs...Autoblogging allows me to be venture into niches I wouldn't otherwise. Also, I can build an autoblog (the way I do it) and fill it with enough content to drip feed for 4 to 6 weeks in about an hour. I then spend about 20 or 30 minutes every 4 to 6 weeks (per blog) adding more content (sometimes a bit more if I am doing something specific). So you ask me why not build a regular blog and I say I can build and manage over 100 autoblogs in the time most people spend doing just a couple regular blogs. I can tap into several markets at once instead of just one or even two in the same amount of time and because of this I can earn money from several different sources at one time where many regular bloggers cant, at least not in the scale I can.

You need to realize...I consider the blogs I build to be high quality and because of this I feel they offer value to both the reader and the net as a whole. You ask me how I sleep at night building autoblogs...my answer to that is...pretty well actually.

No were talking about the same thing, you are a blogger using tools to help you blog. It doesn't sound like there's anything auto about what you do, you are just leveraging the platform and like I said there's nothing wrong with using tools, it's how you use them. Human aggregation is obviously whitehat, if it wasn't you could argue that social networking sites like digg are BH and obviously that's very far from the truth.

Thank you very much for explaining some of the basics of legit auto blogging and sticking with this thread, you definitely need to work on spreading the word though. I assure you, if what you said here is true, then what you do is nothing like what most people are doing. (I have a pile of ebooks preaching skirting techniques and how great 1$ day adsense sites are... Really? This stuff is dated 2010-2011 just so you know...)

Obviously what I said about BLs isn't always true, I have domains listed #1-#3 for KWs I targeted on brand new sites with literally no PR and < 5 authority BLs. I didn't qualify my statement and I apologize for not being clear. My question to you is, why not more BLs? Does it not help you on long tails? I know nothing about your seo strategies and obviously saying X or Y BLs means absolutely nothing since I don't even know how many KWs you are going for and if they are competitive or not. When I talk about scale I mean that I could never easily reproduce success on competitive KWs without getting slapped sooner or later (but again, I am talking about BH here and obviously competitive is relative to the KW.)

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by mki

No were talking about the same thing, you are a blogger using tools to help you blog. It doesn't sound like there's anything auto about what you do, you are just leveraging the platform and like I said there's nothing wrong with using tools, it's how you use them. Human aggregation is obviously whitehat, if it wasn't you could argue that social networking sites like digg are BH and obviously that's very far from the truth.

I think the only thing we really disagree on is the definition of autoblogging. I would agree that what you perceive as autoblogging is what I think used to be considered autoblogging. I know think it is heading more in the direction of what I have described, at least I consider myself an autoblogger because 90+% of what I do is automated. The biggest difference I see is that I spend some time initially sorting and checking content for validity, quality and relevance where some of the old autoblogging systems (and some of the new ones as well) don't do this.

Originally Posted by mki

Thank you very much for explaining some of the basics of legit auto blogging and sticking with this thread, you definitely need to work on spreading the word though. I assure you, if what you said here is true, then what you do is nothing like what most people are doing. (I have a pile of ebooks preaching skirting techniques and how great 1$ day adsense sites are... Really? This stuff is dated 2010-2011 just so you know...)

It's really a shame to hear that people are still preaching/teaching the BH side of this, especially when it's actually pretty easy to do it the way I describe (and I don't aim to build sites that only make $1 a day).

Originally Posted by mki

Obviously what I said about BLs isn't always true, I have domains listed #1-#3 for KWs I targeted on brand new sites with literally no PR and < 5 authority BLs. I didn't qualify my statement and I apologize for not being clear. My question to you is, why not more BLs? Does it not help you on long tails?

I initially build as many BLs as I need to rank well (after a site has aged a bit and has some good content on it). After I have obtained a position I think I can hold without building more BLs (based on competition) then I focus back to quality content and let that sit for a bit. Then I follow it up with what I call "insurance" BLs to further cement my position. I will admit this can be somewhat slow as compared to building them automatically with some of the tools out there but it's also something I have no issues with ethically and I think it helps my sites rank well over the long haul. I do target some higher level competition KWs but overall I would say most of mine are mid level as far as comp. I target multiple KWs for my sites (as most autobloggers do) so I get my traffic by targeting several lower hanging fruits instead of going for the really juicy fruit at the top of the tree. The long tails are really pretty easy to target once you find the right content and get the right links.

Originally Posted by mki

I know nothing about your seo strategies and obviously saying X or Y BLs means absolutely nothing since I don't even know how many KWs you are going for and if they are competitive or not. When I talk about scale I mean that I could never easily reproduce success on competitive KWs without getting slapped sooner or later (but again, I am talking about BH here and obviously competitive is relative to the KW.)

I have been toying with the idea of targeting some seriously competitive KWs like MMO for example but haven't really ventured out there just yet because those I do target have worked quite well for me so far. This might be why I haven't experienced the scale/slap issue you refer to.

I re-read some of our conversation and realized that I may have come off a bit harsh here and there and wanted to apologize for the tone in a few places. I just hear so much of the "hater" mentality and given the fact that I honestly feel what I do is autoblogging it bothers me when I know I don't do the things people generalize about it. I also think that autoblogging in general is changing...slowly, but still changing so hopefully that will start to change peoples perception as time passes as well.

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14 years ago

They are not scams but I would advise you take other paths toward making money online. It will be more fulfilling if you would not do autoblogging.

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DebReset

14 years ago

I am finding that neither side is presenting much evidence. For instance, I saw a comment that they provide backlinks, but it did not say how they do that.

I also wonder if everyone is talking about the same thing. RSS feeds are not what I think of when I hear autoblogging. I bought a pack of 10, called Auto Power Blogger Silver, with a program for putting up coupon sites. They generate all the content, including being set up with clickbank and Amazon banners. It still comes down to putting work into building links and doing SEO to get visitors and in this case finding coupon codes, and discounts. Still very time consuming. I am concerned that the work will not pay off. Hasn't so far.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DebReset

I am finding that neither side is presenting much evidence. For instance, I saw a comment that they provide backlinks, but it did not say how they do that.

This was probably regarding two different types of backlinks...

1. Being sure to leave the links in articles that are posted to sites. This ensures the original autohor gets credit for his work.
2. You can use autoblogs to build backlinks to other sites you own simply by posting articles with your links in them to your autoblogs.

Originally Posted by DebReset

I also wonder if everyone is talking about the same thing. RSS feeds are not what I think of when I hear autoblogging.

RSS feeds are just one of the many content sources when it comes to autoblogging. Some people focus on one or two sources of content and others use many. It really boils down to personal choice.

Originally Posted by DebReset

I bought a pack of 10, called Auto Power Blogger Silver, with a program for putting up coupon sites. They generate all the content, including being set up with clickbank and Amazon banners. It still comes down to putting work into building links and doing SEO to get visitors and in this case finding coupon codes, and discounts. Still very time consuming. I am concerned that the work will not pay off. Hasn't so far.

I am not familiar with that particular program but that doesn't mean it can’t work.

You mention that it's time consuming because you still have to do SEO and drive traffic...you would have to do that with any site you build...auto or otherwise.

If you honestly don't think it will work then don't spend too much time on it. Pick something else and move on. One word of caution though...
Be sure to give it a fair chance, many new IMers bounce around from one method to another and then to another simply because they don't see results quickly. Most IM methods take time and work to see their full potential. I don't know any method that works consistently, overnight and brings in tons of "easy" cash.

Best of luck!
Robert

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budfox

14 years ago

One thing I have learned, and I have been at this a while now, is I usually regret projects that are gimmicky-based. Everything is a lot of work to build any kind of income from. The word 'auto-blog' sounds like not much work but it will be a lot of work to aquire or setup as many as it takes to be worthwhile having them.

And then after all that work, every day you fear waking up and seeing your empire crumbled. Because it isn't really legitimate. I've done most of the old tricks while they worked; craiglist software, myspace spa- I mean, marketing, etc. Eventually everything that was gimmicky and kind of grey-hat stopped working, leaving me with a pile of ashes and needing to find another way to make a living - starting from scratch - again.

At least when you build original content, provide a good user experience, and get good enough at SEO to get the sites ranked, that domain age keeps working for you more and more and you can always change how you monetize the sites. Yeah one day maybe some of your primary money sites get slapped back (especially if you do gimmicky link building). But if the content is original and the user experience is good and the domain is aged well you can get it back with minimal effort and a little time.

When your whole business plan is based on tricks or some trendy gimmick (like mis-spelled domains for example) and it gets slapped back it is usually for good. My advice is not to build castles on sand.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by budfox

When your whole business plan is based on tricks or some trendy gimmick (like mis-spelled domains for example) and it gets slapped back it is usually for good. My advice is not to build castles on sand.

I was going to address each of your points but this last one pretty much covers all of your points...

I agree completely!

WHEN your business is based on tricks or gimmicks this will end badly for sure. I've said it a hundred times (possibly that many in this thread alone) that all autoblogging isnt done this way.

Almost all of the auto haters out there use the example of building something on sand or quick sand to denounce autoblogging...

Thats fine with me...mine are built on solid foundations so I dont have to worry about that. What does bother me though is that you use it to describe ALL autoblogging as if it were a matter of fact or something. Im sorry but that's just not the case.

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davidlieder

14 years ago

A lot of the internet these days is automated, so the issue is not the automation, its the content. If you provide good content, then you are usually OK with Google.

I know someone who currently makes $9,000 a month from his autoblog setup. But it is very technical so maybe someone without the technical interest might want to avoid it.

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Drewry_Media

14 years ago

Autoblogging works, but just be careful who's content you borrow from when autoposting with an autoblogging program

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Rsberg 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Drewry_Media

Autoblogging works, but just be careful who's content you borrow from when autoposting with an autoblogging program

This is one of the most important things to do when building quality autoblogs. Quality means more than just good looking sites with readable content...it also means doing things the right way, legally, ethically...etc. Always be sure to give credit where credit is due and only get content from approved sources.

There are more than enough places to get it legally so trying to get it form places that dont allow for this is pointless. In fact, if you get it from places that allow for this (such as Ezine) then you are also providing valuable links for the original author of the content. It can be a win win if done properly.
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warhammer

14 years ago

I don't like autoblogging at all. Google loves creative and unique content only.

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paulie888 14 years ago

Originally Posted by warhammer

I don't like autoblogging at all. Google loves creative and unique content only.

You obviously don't know anything about the duplicate content myth. Please educate yourself first before making ignorant comments like this.
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- warhammer 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by paulie888
  
  You obviously don't know anything about the duplicate content myth. Please educate yourself first before making ignorant comments like this.
  
  I know that Google hates duplicate content and privileges unique and fresh. I'm willing to change my mind if you show me it's different.
  
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  Rsberg 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by warhammer
  
  I know that Google hates duplicate content and privileges unique and fresh. I'm willing to change my mind if you show me it's different.
  
  Is this why they (along with the other search engines) favor sites like the Associated Press?
  You do know the Associated Press simply aggregates content from sites across the net right?
  
  Ezine Articles...do you think that all of the articles on that site (or any of the other hugely popular article directories) are completely unique and haven't been published anywhere else first? Did you see the thread here on the WF about the Adsense revenue that one such article directory makes each month...it's huge!
  
  These are not the only examples either...there are several others as well. In fact, Google itself posts nothing but republished content (as do all search engines).
  
  It might be time to start thinking about changing your mind now...
  
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  Originally Posted by warhammer
  
  I know that Google hates duplicate content and privileges unique and fresh. I'm willing to change my mind if you show me it's different.
  
  There have already been very good examples quoted by the others that refute this duplicate content "requirement" that you insist is a necessity, but here's one more. Huffington Post, which is basically nothing more than a giant content aggregator site of various sources of online content, was recently bought by AOL for $315 million. If autoblogs (which is what Huffington essentially is) are so bad, why do you think AOL would buy it?
  
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Rsberg 14 years ago

Originally Posted by blogging

You can get banned from google adsense!

More highly exaggerated and greatly misunderstood blather.

Have people lost their account who used it on autoblogs...yes.

Does everyone...no, and there is a reason for this.

If you focus on building quality sites that provide the reader with good content and add value to the net then you are giving the reader what they want and making the SEs happy at the same time.

If you build crappy sites that appear spammy and have more Adsense ads on them than they do valuable content then that will typically get your account banned. In fact, Google refers to this as building "MFA" (made for Adsense) sites, and they frown on that.
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- JohnMcCabe 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by warhammer
  
  I know that Google hates duplicate content and privileges unique and fresh. I'm willing to change my mind if you show me it's different.
  
  Warhammer, you can trace a lot of the things Google supposedly hates and loves back to the beginnings of the Adsense program.
  
  The whole "duplicate content" mess is a result of sites (mostly created with software) that used cloaking and 'doorway pages' to funnel search traffic to a single page of content, which was often intentionally bad in order to encourage a quick exit via one of the Adsense ads.
  
  What the search engine spiders "saw" was hundreds, even thousands, of pages with the exact same content on the same site.
  
  That MFA software would replicate itself under multiple domain names, so that supposedly relevant listings would lead to multiple sites that could not be told apart aside from their domain names.
  
  When Google clamped down on these MFA (Made For Adsense) sites, some very vocal people jumped to the conclusion that "Google hates ALL content that appears on multiple sites" - obviously false, or Google would de-index itself.
  
  This "duplicate content penalty" nonsense was a godsend for the people who sell spinning software and other products/services that provide "unique and original" content. They fear-mongered their way into getting the ignorant (not the same as "stupid", btw) to believe they had to do something to make their content different than anything ever published online, or the Googlebot would smite them with a lightning bolt and they'd die paupers.
  
  I could easily put together 250-500 words that would be both original and unique - and utter crap.
  
  Once you know how some of these myths get started, you can see how they are simply myths.
  
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Rsberg 14 years ago

Originally Posted by fredgarfield

If you remeber the main goal of Search Engines is to provide high quality unique results!

Actually no...That's not correct.

The goal of a search engine is to provide a good user experience that offers searchers quality, relevant and related results to their queries.

I could be wrong here but I don't think any SE has ever been quoted as including "unique" in its mission statement.

If that were true there would be a lot of big name high ranking sites that Google loves feeling a lot of pain and dropping from the SERPS. One of the best examples of this would be some of the more popular news sites that aggregate content from across the net.
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14 years ago

I think the goal of any search engine has been to provide the most relevant content for each search.

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irakly

14 years ago

Making money with autoblogs is possible but it needs to be wery hign quality blog+content.

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14 years ago

@JohnMcCabe

Thank you very much.

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EricShaun

14 years ago

Possible to earn from em but it's not as easy as some make out,

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Glenn Leader 14 years ago
Originally Posted by EricShaun

Possible to earn from em but it's not as easy as some make out,

There's more than one way to profit from autoblogs that simply getting an Adsense click.

You could
1. Build a blog flipping business, and make extra profits by continuing to post fresh content, and charging for it on a monthly basis.
2. Keep slow hand built blogs alive with fresh content.
3. Build a quality blog network to gain backlinks with ease.
4. Create empires in niches you have little knowledge or interest in.
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Demiano

14 years ago

Hi, I want to use autoblogging as an aditional way to keep adding content to my own unique stuff. I read somewhere that it is possible to set up an autoblogging structure without using expensive Plugins like WpRobot, that besides the cost might also leave a footprint. It talked about using rss feeds in conjunction with some sofisticated configuration on Wordpress. Does somebody here know about it?

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The Big Deal

14 years ago

I'm not sure scam is the right word? My opinion is that Autoblogs are generally made of duplicated content, therefore it can be difficult to out rank the original content. Not impossible but it will usually require more work.

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Roaddog 14 years ago

Here is a good story about auto blogs

Guy just started this thread. Five figures a month.
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paulie888

14 years ago

Originally Posted by The Big Deal

I'm not sure scam is the right word? My opinion is that Autoblogs are generally made of duplicated content, therefore it can be difficult to out rank the original content. Not impossible but it will usually require more work.

This is a long-standing myth which has been perpetuated from newbie to newbie. Unless your website is absolutely identical in every way to the site that you're pulling your content from (chances of this happening are near-zero), then you'll certainly not encounter any issues with duplicate content. Unless your mission is to completely duplicate some other site out there on the internet, you most likely won't run into problems.

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Rsberg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by The Big Deal

I'm not sure scam is the right word? My opinion is that Autoblogs are generally made of duplicated content, therefore it can be difficult to out rank the original content. Not impossible but it will usually require more work.

This is another misunderstood concept that has been addressed hundreds (if not more) of times here on the WF alone.

Duplicate content is when you have the same piece of content on the same site more than once.

There is a good post on page 2 of this thread by JohnMcCabe that explains this in more detail (including how it came to be)...certainly worth reading if you want to learn more about "duplicate content".

What you are referring to is actually republished or syndicated content which is posting content to a site that is already posted on other sites across the net. Honestly, it's not nearly as hard as many people think to outrank the original source with syndicated content. I have several sites that do just that and I know many other autobloggers who do this as well.

Take this for example...

Sites A, B and C all have unique articles about "Green Widgets" that are well written, informative and KW optimized. Lets say each site (A, B and C) has 3 or 4 (the number really doesnt matter) of these articles on them and all of the aritlces have a different spin or feel to them because they were written by different people, but they are all informative still the same.

Site D (a well crafted autoblog) has syndicated many (if not all) of the articles from each of the sites above and all of the articles are unique and different from the others. This site now has 10 (or so) different aritlces about Green Widgets and all of the articles are informative and well written.

Now...you go to Google and type in "Green Widgets" in the search box. Who do you think Google will likely list in the SERPS if all other things are equal or close to equal (such as SEO, Backlinks...etc), the 3 individual sites that have 3 or 4 quality Green Widget articles each or the 1 site that has 10 quality Green Widget articles?

I realize I've over simplified this concept quite a bit and have taken some things for granted (such as equality of SEO, Backlinks..etc) but this is still a fairly decent representation as to how it's not that difficult to outrank the original sites and therefore get decent levels of traffic from syndicated content.

OK...let the stone throwing begin...LOL

(Please keep in mind this is just an example for explanation purposes and obviously doesn't apply to all situations)

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