EzineArticles.com - ReSubmit to Other Places?

by momo3
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I have been marketing for years, but find myself asking stupid quesitons because sometimes I feel I am aiming in teh wrong places.

I have hundreds of articles on Ezinearticles.com

I just picked up Article Marketing Robot
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Should I take teh published articles and mass-submit them? Is it worthwhile?
#ezinearticlescom #places #resubmit
  • Profile picture of the author Ben Holmes
    My suggestion - and I'm no expert on the topic... repost 'em to other article directories with two links - "For more information go to mysite.com, for the original article, please see ezinearticles.com/original_article" (Obviously not very polished... you get the idea)

    The idea, of course, is to create backlinks to your EzineArticles' article.
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  • Profile picture of the author LuisHuete
    Hey,

    Khadaji has a great suggestion and i would do that..

    i would also start promoting the articles using socialmarker.com, ping.fm and submitting your rss feeds. I would also create slideshows of the articles and plug them into traffic geyser to get a ton of traffic.

    I would also post the articles on places liek wordpress,tumblr, squidoo, posterous,live journal, blogger, twitter and youtube and use the bestspinner.net *they have a free 7 day trial*.

    Hope that helps

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  • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
    Yes, it's good to submit them again and make sure it's properly spun and there will be no duplicates
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by faceblogger View Post

      Yes, it's good to submit them again and make sure it's properly spun and there will be no duplicates
      Hi Faceblogger,

      So you're recommending the OP takes his original article from EZA and spins it before submitting to any other article directories?

      Is this because you believe in the duplicate content myth that doesn't exist?

      If I publish an article to my site then submit it to EZA, how come that's OK?

      Also why is Buzzle the only article directory that specifically asks for unique content.

      The OP doesn't need to spin anything before he submits it to other directories. This is a myth and has been discussed by many experienced article marketers, right here, very many times.
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      • Profile picture of the author smartdoctor
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Hi Faceblogger,

        So your recommending the OP takes his opriginal article from EZA and spins it before submitting to any other article directories?

        Is this because you believe in the duplicate content myth that doesn't exist?

        If I publish an article to my site then submit it to EZA, how come that's OK?

        Also why is Buzzle the only article directory that specifically asks for unique content.

        The OP doesn't need to spin anything before he submits it to other directories. This is a myth and has been discussed by many experienced article marketers, right here, very many times.
        I am also thnking of doing the same and I believe it is a myth
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      • Profile picture of the author Ben_R
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Hi Faceblogger,

        So your recommending the OP takes his opriginal article from EZA and spins it before submitting to any other article directories?

        Is this because you believe in the duplicate content myth that doesn't exist?

        If I publish an article to my site then submit it to EZA, how come that's OK?

        Also why is Buzzle the only article directory that specifically asks for unique content.

        The OP doesn't need to spin anything before he submits it to other directories. This is a myth and has been discussed by many experienced article marketers, right here, very many times.


        is it worth taking the risk -??

        - from google if it links to your money site r the directories ---

        all that hard work - and spinning takes 3 mins --- and google says it does see and penalize dups

        so i would do the extra 10 % work and get to the top --
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Ben_R View Post

          is it worth taking the risk -??

          - from google if it links to your money site r the directories ---

          all that hard work - and spinning takes 3 mins --- and google says it does see and penalize dups

          so i would do the extra 10 % work and get to the top --

          Ok.

          Please, you need to search this forum and read threads on the matter.

          I'm going by my own extensive experience, highly successful article marketers experience, the TOS of the various article directories and Matt Cutts himself. That's right, Matt Cutts himself.

          Duplicate content is having the same article repeated on the same site.

          How would people sell mass article submitters if everyone got screwed by Google for submitting the same article to multiple directories?

          Think about what you're saying. You put an article on EZA. I'm then free to take that article and put it on my site with a link back to your site. According to you, Google will penalise you for that?

          Surely if you think this is a risk, you'd never even submit anything to an article directory, spun or not! You have no control over others using your content, which you mistakenly think then becomes duplicate content. This is called article syndication, it's what successful article marketers aim for, it's the whole point of article directories.

          How will your extra 10% and spinning help you if I use your article on my site?

          EDIT. Spinning an article properly, to submit to multiple directories, so a human being is able to read it, takes more than three minutes.
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          • For those who feel the need to spin articles and those who consider article marketing as a means to build backlinks more than to funnel more targeted viewers, from article directories and from sites which syndicated their articles, to their sites: Spin to your heart's content, though why not submit each of those 50 or so versions to the top 20 or so article directories, with each version under a particular author name? By "top", I'm referring to article directories with high readership traffic, well aged domain authority, homepage Google PR and high internal page SE rankings, based on tests, even for new pages. Also, this way, in case Google or another popular search engine decides to change their current search engine ranking algorithms in the future to match the 1st contested definition below for the terms "duplicate content" and "duplicate content penalty", you could protect your investment as well as cut down your losses early on.

            Contested Definitions of Terminologies

            "Duplicate Content"
            1st Contested Definition Version. Some above voted: The same exact copy of a content page published on many sites under different domains.
            2nd Contested Definition Version. A few above voted: The same exact copy of a content page published many times on a single site.

            "Google Duplicate Content Penalty"
            1st Contested Definition Version. Some above implied: The reduction of a page and homepage's Google PR as well as sandboxed search engine rankings for a page or homepage because of copies of the exact same content found on the site and other sites.
            2nd Contested Definition Version. What others in this thread did not imply nor vote for, at the time of this posting: Inclusion of a page in the supplemental index because an exact syndicated copy or a closely similar copy with higher Google PR and higher search engine rankings for the exact keyword search is already in the results index. Note: The supplemental index is not the Google Sandbox. Why? Otherwise, it should read: "Google Sandbox" and not "Supplemental Results" as it reads now.

            My problem with the 1st definition versions above, for both terminologies, is:

            What if I programmed software which will work like this:
            1. user enters URLs of competing sites...
            2. user enters site and FTP details of one dummy site he or she owns...
            3. software monitors the activity of the sites each second...
            4. software is alerted when new content is added to any of the competing sites...
            5. software copies the content and publishes it on the dummy site...
            6. software indexes the content on the dummy site by social bookmarking, pinging and posting a comment with a backlink on a dofollow forum or blog regularly SE indexed - Hmmm... Social bookmarking, pinging, forum and blog account details could be entered by user, too...
            I could call this the "Smart Competitor Annihilator v1.0"...

            Additional Info

            1. EZA and other article directories among various content syndication sites, such as press release distribution sites, news sites and so on, could reject content first published and indexed elsewhere, yes, though only if:
            They are uncertain if the person who submitted the content for publication or syndication owns full rights to the content in question or has the permission of the content owner to submit it for publication or syndication.

            2. Number 1 above can be prevented, so you won't have to contact them each time this happens. The ways to prevent this include:

            2.1. Publish new content on your site under one name and have it SE indexed. Then, submit the exact same content using that name for publication or syndication to article directories and other content syndication or distribution sites.

            2.2. Publish and have new content SE indexed on your site where there's another page providing unique content and additional benefits not found on your newly published content page. Afterwards, copy your new content page, include in the copy a link pointing to the other content page mentioned above, then submit the exact same content to article directories and other content syndication or distribution sites.

            Why would these ways prevent publication or syndication rejection? Because these ways are just like giving those article directories and content syndication or distribution sites evidence that you indeed own the content being submitted for publication or syndication.

            P.S. I don't hear any spun songs from artists each time I listen to lots of radio stations. Instead, I hear the same exact songs over and over again, even in different radio stations. I do not know of a "free popular music lyrics sheet" site that spins the lyrics of songs by popular artists nor one that's in the Google Sandbox because they decided not to spin their content.
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          • Profile picture of the author wtatlas
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Ok.

            Please, you need to search this forum and read threads on the matter.

            I'm going by my own extensive experience, highly successful article marketers experience, the TOS of the various article directories and Matt Cutts himself. That's right, Matt Cutts himself.

            Duplicate content is having the same article repeated on the same site.

            How would people sell mass article submitters if everyone got screwed by Google for submitting the same article to multiple directories?

            Think about what you're saying. You put an article on EZA. I'm then free to take that article and put it on my site with a link back to your site. According to you, Google will penalise you for that?

            Surely if you think this is a risk, you'd never even submit anything to an article directory, spun or not! You have no control over others using your content, which you mistakenly think then becomes duplicate content. This is called article syndication, it's what successful article marketers aim for, it's the whole point of article directories.

            How will your extra 10% and spinning help you if I use your article on my site?

            EDIT. Spinning an article properly, to submit to multiple directories, so a human being is able to read it, takes more than three minutes.
            An excellent reply from Richard Van. From my own experience I can vouch for what he says about duplicate content. I recently had the exact same article in the number 1 and 2 positions on the first page of Google. This article was indexed from two separate article directories. It was also published on my own website without any changes being made to it.

            My own view is that duplicate content only comes into the picture if you have the same content on another page of the same website. Even with this there is no "penalty". All that happens is that Google will only index one of the pages and any copies will be ignored. Before anyone asks I know this from my own experience as I have tried it.

            As far as spinning goes there is one advantage to spinning articles that I don't think anyone has mentioned here. This is that some webmasters might not take up your article if they see that there are many copies floating around the web. There's just a possibility that an article might have a better chance of being re-published on more sites if there are different, spun versions around.
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  • Profile picture of the author edgelance
    This is something I want to know too. If I want to republished my article, do I must have to spin the article or just re-use it for other directories? How old is the article that I can use?
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulB1
    interesting
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    • I am am no pro or anything but this is what I do.

      I always submit my articles to 6 others directories with anchor text links back to my original ezine article. On my articles that I have done this on I rank higher than my articles that I have not resubmitted.

      So to answer your question yes I think it is worth doing for the backlinks and to improve rankings especially if you are mass submitting.

      Also try and switch up the anchor text every so often.
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    • Profile picture of the author Az Ozegbe
      Originally Posted by PaulB1 View Post

      interesting
      Of coure,it is!
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Richard Van -

    Submitting to ezine after its been indexed on your site may lead to them not accepting it.

    Also, spinning + submitting (accord to my research) is stronger than not spinning + submitting.

    From what I understand, not spinning is good but many will not show except the most respected (by google) directory. The rest will not show up in google for the terms. They will provide backlinks, however.

    But spinning makes them unique so they will show in the results and therefore rank for a longer spectrum of terms (since they're unique). Also, because they are unique, their backlinks will be stronger.

    But that is just my thoughts, not sure if its true. But I know for certain there is no dupe content penalty.. but I believe its not as potent as unique content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Submitting to ezine after its been indexed on your site may lead to them not accepting it.
      I'm afraid Momo that is completley untrue.

      Nowhere in EZA's terms and conditions does it say that. I have done so and never been turned down.

      Look up Alexa Smith, perhaps the best known article marketer here. This is exactly what she says to do and exactly what she has done for over 1000 articles.

      You specifically want to index the article on your site first.

      Don't take that from me, I just have a lot of experience, take it from Alexa, who is an expert.

      This has been discussed here many times.

      Also, spinning + submitting (accord to my research) is stronger than not spinning + submitting.
      How are you defining stronger? Again, don't take it from me take it from an expert. Again Alexa doesn't spin her articles before she submits them elsewhere.

      But spinning makes them unique so they will show in the results and therefore rank for a longer spectrum of terms (since they're unique). Also, because they are unique, their backlinks will be stronger.
      I'm sorry but this simply isn't true. The PR of the article directory and the "strength" of the backlink isn't based on whatever you submit to them. It makes no difference at all. The "strength" of the link will be the same, "uniquely" spun or not.

      Here's something you can try that's interesting. Google "page rank checker" and enter the URL for EZA. It's high isn't it? Now pick an article on EZA and enter the URL for the page the article is on. When people say the PR of EZA is 6 or 7 or whatever, that doesn't mean the internal pages have anything like the same PR.

      By mass submitting to tons of directories, what you're doing is using article directories to get low quality backlinks. Experienced article marketers want their articles to be syndicated to relevant sites, with lots of interested relevant readers and thus getting a useful and highly relevant backlink. The directory is there for people to find the article and use it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Submitting to ezine after its been indexed on your site may lead to them not accepting it.
      Why, then, does EZA send emails to all newly registered authors opting in for their email series, inviting them to submit there as articles any/all articles previously published on their own sites?

      Why, then, does EZA, on its own blog, invite authors to do the same?

      Why, then, does EZA, in its article marketing course, advise authors to submit there by copying-and-pasting anything they've previously published elsewhere which is of suitable length and complies with EZA's editorial guidelines?

      Why, then, does EZA make available to its authors a special Wordpress plug-in, so that people can publish their articles on their own sites/blogs first, and then submit in identical form for subsequent publication there?

      Here's a thread describing the experiences of someone who recently submitted to EZA ten articles published on her blog a couple of years ago, had them all very quickly accepted and was immediately upgraded to "Platinum", after only a couple of days.

      And here's a longer and outstandingly good thread in which a large group of successful, professional articles marketers explain in detail their reasons for always publishing all their articles on their own sites first, prior to EZA submission.

      For myself, I have over 1,000 articles published on EZA: all of them had previously been published in identical form (apart from the resource-boxes, of course) on my own sites. I've also submitted almost all of them unchanged to a couple of other directories, too - or more.

      To return for a moment to the original question: Buzzle is the only article directory I know of to which one can't submit articles previously published on EZA (there may be one or two others, but they'll be pretty obscure ones, I think).

      In terms of backlinks, there's no conceivable gain in re-writing, amending, editing or "spinning" the articles before doing this. (There may be other benefits, for some people, but the backlinks they get will be identical, whether the article is copy-pasted or completely re-written. If you're going to re-write one, why not make it a new one, and submit the old one as well, doubling your backlinks?).

      Building backlinks to copies of articles published at EZA can, in the long run, be a big, counterproductive mistake.

      This is something I completely avoid.

      I want to build my own sites, not other people's, even if I have my own backlinks on the pages to which I'd be sending traffic and making links.

      With EZA articles, for instance, there can definitely be a short-term traffic advantage to building backlinks to them, but it's the classic case of "the descending ceiling" to do so, and is really short-sighted: it can produce some fast traffic and fast commissions, but every inch you raise yourself up in that way silently lowers the ceiling by three inches and limits the height you can eventually reach. The more you do it, the more certain it becomes that in the long run, you're shooting yourself in the elegantly high-heeled foot and will end up with an article directory permanently outranking your own site for your own keywords (not exactly an ideal way to build a business!).

      Many people do this, because of the potential for a small, fast benefit from it, don't quite appreciate the long-term damage, and end up consigning themselves, almost by force, to a "rinse and repeat" model of article marketing instead of a "building a business" model. At first, there may be a small gain, but in the long run there's a big loss in terms of opportunity-cost. For many people, that's ultimately quite likely to be the difference between making a living and not making a living.

      It's easy to imagine that you're "getting traffic from article directories" when in fact you're actually "sending traffic to article directories" rather than building up your own properties.

      I'm "just saying".
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      • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        For myself, I have over 1,000 articles published on EZA: all of them had previously been published in identical form (apart from the resource-boxes, of course) on my own sites. I've also submitted almost all of them unchanged to a couple of other directories, too - or more.

        To return for a moment to the original question: Buzzle is the only article directory I know of to which one can't submit articles previously published on EZA (there may be one or two others, but they'll be pretty obscure ones, I think).
        Hi Alexa,

        By now I understand you're allowed to submit your articles to your blog first before submitting to EZA. Yet, something that still rises question marks is this; When submitting to other article directories, should I do that at the same time when submitting to EZA (so all at once) or only AFTER my article has been published on EZA?

        Also, aside to Buzzle are there other article directories that only accept unique content? What about Searchwarp, Articlesbase and Helium? I've noticed these rank very well, so I'm interested in submitting to them as well, yet I'm concerned whether they allow duplicate content or not.

        Edit: I understand you don't build backlinks to your articles and don't promote them? May I ask you how exactly do you increase your article views, as you seem to be making a living off article marketing alone?
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      • Profile picture of the author enigmanic
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


        Many people do this, because of the potential for a small, fast benefit from it, don't quite appreciate the long-term damage, and end up consigning themselves, almost by force, to a "rinse and repeat" model of article marketing instead of a "building a business" model. At first, there may be a small gain, but in the long run there's a big loss in terms of opportunity-cost. For many people, that's ultimately quite likely to be the difference between making a living and not making a living.
        I have to admit, I'm one of those people. It's so easy to get EZA ranking high -- often times with only a couple of backlinks. After reading one of your older posts, I have since begun posting the original article on my site first, waiting 4-5 days to ensure it's indexed, then submitting to EZA.

        Some questions for you Alexa:
        1. Do you find it hard to get your original article ranking higher than EZA? That's the trouble I'm running into right now. The article on my site won't even be in the top 100, while the same one on EZA will often be in the first 3 pages of Google.

        2. Do you submit EVERY article on your website to EZA and other directories? Or do you like to mix it up and leave some of your articles "unsyndicated"? The reason I ask is this: wouldn't Google think your site is an "autoblog" if all your content has been posted elsewhere? Or do they somehow know to credit you as the original source?
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          Originally Posted by Devid Farah View Post

          Many of them do not allow content that has already been published elsewhere.
          I know of only one article directory, Devid, that disallows content previously published elsewhere, and that's "Buzzle" (which, like so many professional article marketers, I never use at all for that exact reason).

          Do you know of others? :confused:

          Originally Posted by enigmanic View Post

          Some questions for you Alexa:
          1. Do you find it hard to get your original article ranking higher than EZA? That's the trouble I'm running into right now. The article on my site won't even be in the top 100, while the same one on EZA will often be in the first 3 pages of Google.
          Every time you decide to "boost" the EZA one instead of your own, "because it's so much higher to start with", you're making it a bit harder next time. And the eventual outcome is that the ceiling descends and descends and descends and EZA will always outrank your own site for all your own keywords.

          That ceiling is your potential income.

          It's Catch-22. To stop that from happening, you need a higher-ranking site yourself, to "give EZA a run for their money", but every time you send backlinks to EZA you're helping them, hindering yourself and reducing the chances of ever having that higher-ranking site.

          I do recognise that not everyone agrees, but to me, this is such a black and white issue. I'm in business to develop my own appreciating assets (my niche sites) over the long term, from which I can continue indefinitely to derive increasing, passive income. Sending to EZA the traffic that I produce with my backlinking campaigns would take me in the opposite direction.

          With my new-ish and not-very-high-ranking sites, what will inevitably happen will be that the EZA copy will overtake my copy in the SERP's. This is temporary, and the more often you do it this way, and do all the off-page SEO campaigns for your own site, the briefer the "temporary" bit gradually becomes. Emphasis on the word "gradually": I take a long-term view.

          I don't care what I earn this week and next week from the 6 or 7 articles I submit to EZA this week (though I do, in fact, make some earnings that way, too, I admit): I care what my site's worth, on the basis of the growing residual income it produces, next year and the year after. That's what I'm building a business for.

          I'm posting to EZA primarily for internal EZA-traffic, not for Google-traffic. I want the Google-traffic coming to me, not going to them. The EZA traffic I want comprises other webmasters and ezine/newsletter compilers who syndicate my work to their sites, most of them context-relevant sites and some of them high-PR sites, which bring me good backlinks and good, already-targeted traffic. In other words, I'm using EZA as an article directory in the literal sense, not as a Google-derived-traffic-catcher. It's a different approach, I appreciate.

          Originally Posted by enigmanic View Post

          Do you submit EVERY article on your website to EZA and other directories?
          Most, not quite all. But everything I submit to directories has gone on my own sites first. I do have other site-contents which aren't "articles" which nobody would ever be willing to syndicate, of course, such as product reviews, and I don't submit that anywhere else.

          Originally Posted by enigmanic View Post

          wouldn't Google think your site is an "autoblog" if all your content has been posted elsewhere?
          Nooooo, I don't think they'd imagine that any of my sites are "autoblogs"!!

          Originally Posted by enigmanic View Post

          Or do they somehow know to credit you as the original source?
          Of course ... everything I write is indexed on my own sites before being submitted anywhere else. That may not stop the EZA copies from temporarily overtaking me (especially on my more recent sites - though one of mine - my original one - is PR-5 now, and that doesn't happen any more) but it certainly seems to stop Google from imagining that I'm an "autoblogger"!
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          • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


            I know of only one article directory, Devid, that disallows content previously published elsewhere, and that's "Buzzle" (which, like so many professional article marketers, I never use at all for that exact reason).

            Do you know of others? :confused:

            Hey Alexa,

            you are right.

            Personally, I am also not aware of any other article directory with those limitations outside of Buzzle, but I have not used many other directories besides Ezine.

            Regards,
            Devid
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            For all of you folks desperately spinning articles because you're afraid EZA won't accept them if they aren't "unique"...

            Don't take Alexa's word for it, or Bill's or Richard's or mine. Get it straight from the horse's mouth:

            On this page:

            Why Should You Submit Your Articles To The High-Traffic EzineArticles.com Expert Author Community? Read On To Find Out Why:

            Optimize The Promotional Mileage Out of Your Existing Article Archive:
            If you have already produced a series of quality articles, why not submit them to our expert community to get even more ROI from your efforts?
            From this page:

            Editorial Guidelines For Submitting Quality Articles To EzineArticles.com

            Here are the requirements:

            To Be Qualified For Our Site, Your Article:

            • MUST BE AN ORIGINAL ARTICLE THAT YOU WROTE. If you work for an author as an employee or contractor and are submitting the article, please submit the article as if it was from the original author including his or her email address and name.
            • MUST NOT BE AN ARTICLE YOU RIPPED-OFF FROM THE PUBLIC DOMAIN OR BOUGHT (PLR). If you did hire a ghost writer to write your articles, you MUST have an EXCLUSIVE LICENSE that *only* allows your name to be associated with the articles produced for you. Do not waste your time or ours by buying article packs that have non-exclusive licenses as we reject those articles. Why do we do this? #1) It makes you look like a fraud because you're putting your name on someone else's works that already may have hundreds or thousands of other authors who already put their name on the exact same works and #2) we do not want more than one copy of any article in our directory.
            What may cause some confusion is this, from the same page:

            k. MUST NOT be a submission of the exact same article as one that you already submitted. Some authors have submitted the same article multiple times with only a few words changed in the body -- we reject these and ban authors who engage in this practice.
            What this really says is that if you have submitted an article TO EZA, do not submit the same article TO EZA.

            Spin, don't spin, I just don't give a rat's ass anymore. But make your decision based on facts, not rumors, myths or self-serving assertions.

            [The preceding has used up this poster's "tilting at windmills" quota for today. We now return to your regular programming... :rolleyes:]
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              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              The preceding has used up this poster's "tilting at windmills" quota for today]
              That's a great shame, actually ... these posts are a highlight of my day (must try to get out a bit more).

              Thank you, John, for setting it all out "from the horse's mouth".
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          • Profile picture of the author tsgeric
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Every time you decide to "boost" the EZA one instead of your own, "because it's so much higher to start with", you're making it a bit harder next time. And the eventual outcome is that the ceiling descends and descends and descends and EZA will always outrank your own site for all your own keywords.
            Hi Alexa,
            When you talk about boosting the EZA article, are you referring to the issue of where your original article shows up first (your website vs ezine), or are you referring to the practice of placing backlinks to the article on ezine (which is different than the common recommendation to boost that page as as step in giving greater authority to the link on the ezine page to your own site).
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by tsgeric View Post

              Hi Alexa,
              When you talk about boosting the EZA article, are you referring to the issue of where your original article shows up first (your website vs ezine), or are you referring to the practice of placing backlinks to the article on ezine (which is different than the common recommendation to boost that page as as step in giving greater authority to the link on the ezine page to your own site).
              Hi, sorry for any ambiguity ...

              When I talked about attempts to "boost" the EZA article, I was referring to the widespread, short-sighted and misguided mistake of building backlinks to the EZA copy of the article in an attempt to raise its SERP's position (i.e. rather than building backlinks to the copy of the article on one's own site, and/or to other parts of one's one site, as one should).

              But I'm also slightly confused by your question (sorry!): I'm not quite clear what you mean by "placing backlinks to the article on Ezine". I appreciate that you're differentiating it from "the common recommendation to boost that page as as step in giving greater authority to the link on the ezine page to your own site", and I know exactly what you mean by that (that's the widespread, short-sighted and misguided mistake, clearly!) but I'm not sure exactly what you mean by those words, if it's something different from that.

              Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

              So when is spinning worthwhile (if at all it is worthwhile) because obviously in terms of backlinks it seems there is no difference whether you spin it or not.
              In terms of backlinks, there's clearly no difference. Even the "pro-spinners" are not (usually!) claiming that.

              If you'll excuse the observation, the "Are There Any Of Benefits Of Spinning?" subject is really totally different from the discussion in this thread, and has rather been done to death in other threads? There are clearly great financial benefits to people selling spinning software and various automated services, as well as huge emotional investments involved in it for many others who have bought in to the concept (and the expression of those is what tends to fill forum discussions about it, in my experience), and I concede that some people seem to find it beneficial, albeit apparently for purposes I don't need, in my own business. But the benefits they're getting are clearly unrelated to backlinks, because you can get exactly the same backlinks (and, in fact, sometimes more, and better ones) without it.
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              • Profile picture of the author tsgeric
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                Hi, sorry for any ambiguity ...

                When I talked about attempts to "boost" the EZA article, I was referring to the widespread, short-sighted and misguided mistake of building backlinks to the EZA copy of the article in an attempt to raise its SERP's position (i.e. rather than building backlinks to the copy of the article on one's own site, and/or to other parts of one's one site, as one should).

                But I'm also slightly confused by your question (sorry!): I'm not quite clear what you mean by "placing backlinks to the article on Ezine". I appreciate that you're differentiating it from "the common recommendation to boost that page as as step in giving greater authority to the link on the ezine page to your own site", and I know exactly what you mean by that (that's the widespread, short-sighted and misguided mistake, clearly!) but I'm not sure exactly what you mean by those words, if it's something different from that.

                .
                Hi Alexa,
                thanks for jumping in. So I get that spinning is mostly unnecessary. I get the reasons why it's best to post to your own site first. But the last piece is that it is quite common on this forum for people to recommend that you do something like this:

                1. put article on your own blog
                2. put article on ezine, with link to your site
                3. put article on other article directories, with one of the links pointing to the article on ezine (eg. "view the original article at ..."), and the other pointing to your site. This builds up the ezine page, which transmits greater link juice to your site.

                My question is about #3. It seems to be a common tactic, but if I understand correctly this is not something you would do? Rather, if you had two links per article in all the article directories that are not e-zine, you would point both of those to sites you control directly?
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                  My question is about #3. It seems to be a common tactic, but if I understand correctly this is not something you would do?
                  Absolutely not.

                  It is a common tactic. And a short-sighted one. And some of the people among whom it's a common tactic are the ones who either stop posting here altogether (sometimes because they're "back at work in a job") or start a thread a year later under the title "Article Marketing Doesn't Work Any More".

                  It's "the descending ceiling".

                  Originally Posted by tsgeric View Post

                  Rather, if you had two links per article in all the article directories that are not e-zine, you would point both of those to sites you control directly?

                  Definitely
                  . I'm not in business to build EZA's backlinks for them: I want as much of the traffic and as many of the backlinks for my own business as possible.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                    1. put article on your own blog
                    2. put article on ezine, with link to your site
                    3. put article on other article directories, with one of the links pointing to the article on ezine (eg. "view the original article at ..."), and the other pointing to your site. This builds up the ezine page, which transmits greater link juice to your site.

                    One way to look at this is that the whole point of the article is to get them to your presell page and sell them something.

                    If someone reads an article on Articlebase, what use is it sending them to the same or similar article on EZA? Do they want to read it again? Do they want to read another article?

                    May as well send them to your site thus getting the link and standing far more chance of attaining your main goal which is getting a sale or at the least capturing their details.

                    You've far more chance selling a product on your site than in an article, especially if they've already just read the article.
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  • Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

    I have been marketing for years, but find myself asking stupid quesitons because sometimes I feel I am aiming in teh wrong places. I have hundreds of articles on Ezinearticles.com. I just picked up Article Marketing Robot, Should I take teh published articles and mass-submit them? Is it worthwhile?
    Hi! Hmmm... Google says:
    1. Dofollow homepages share its Google PR to linked internal and external pages... If this were accurate, then:
    Inference: An article submitted to a dofollow article directory, once it has been published and displayed on the article directory homepage as a recently published article, gets some PR juice from the dofollow article directory homepage...

    2. Dofollow pages share its Google PR to linked internal and external pages... If this were accurate, then:
    Inference: The Google PR of a published dofollow article page on a dofollow article directory is shared to internal and external pages...

    3. The number of dofollow backlinks and the Google PR of the pages with those backlinks are included in the search engine ranking algorithms of Google, aside from a lot of factors such as domain age among others... If this were accurate, then:
    Inference: Having a lot of copies of the same exact article published on different article directories under the same author name, called ethical and legal syndication, and again: No duplicate content penalty there, would be beneficial in terms of SEO.

    4. It will be harder for the search engine ranking algorithms of Google to determine how much content did webmasters of a site actually develop themselves for their viewers if --

    a) the site develops content then just syndicates it all over the Internet, or
    b) doesn't develop the content but just legally syndicates content from other sources...

    Based on the results of my tests:
    1. Minimal Google PR improvement for the published article page based on number 1 above, though average to good Google search engine rankings for the keywords targeted by the published article.

    2. Minimal to average Google PR improvement for pages linked by a published article on a dofollow article directory based on number 2 above, though average to good Google search engine rankings for pages linked by the published article on the dofollow article directory after some time, "average to good Google search engine rankings" = particularly for keywords targeted by the published article if those keywords are also targeted by the linked pages...

    3. Good to great Google PR improvement and actual Google search engine rankings for pages with a good number of backlinks on dofollow high Google PR pages under well aged domains, "good to great actual Google search engine rankings" = particularly for keywords targeted by the pages, especially if pages with backlinks target the same keywords -- Noticed a considerable advantage with this "relevance" thing at least on 80% of my test results...

    4. About number 4 above: None of my test results show anything considerably negative, when it comes to Google PR and actual Google search engine rankings of a page linked by a lot of syndicated pages on dofollow sites, and the positive effects in terms of Google PR and actual Google search engine rankings may most likely be caused by numbers 1, 2 and 3 above, though I may not have noticed anything considerably negative because this is probably the pace of the Google PR and actual Google search engine ranking improvement of a page linked by a lot of dofollow sites that published the same syndicated content, but then again: If 2 pages have an equal number of backlinks and the pages with those backlinks also have equal Google PR, domain age and "perceived" domain authority for relevant topics and keywords, I noticed no considerable speed difference of Google PR and Google search engine ranking improvement between a page linked by just a lot of syndicated content on dofollow sites against a page linked by non-syndicated "unique" content published by dofollow sites... By "unique", I'm referring to content found only on a page of a dofollow site...

    These are my tests, results and inferences based on my observations.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
    I find that AMR is most effective for building backlinks, and not really for the traffic aspect of it. If you're wanting to build backlinks to move your sites up in the serps for more traffic, I would absolutely go this route.

    If on the other hand you're looking for more traffic directly from the articles being resubmitted, I'd repost them to hubpages, goarticles, wordpress, blogger and maybe a few other sites as well. For the best impact you should do both.

    The first thing to do is look and see which of your ezine articles are ranked and bringing you traffic. Then you'll know which ones will benefit the most from some extra backlinking.

    Then you can take your article, and put it directly into AMR. There's no need to spin it. When your article is reused on multiple sites it's known as syndication, which is a good thing. It means your content was so stellar that everyone else wants it on thier site too.

    You can write your resource boxes so that you're backlinking just your main site, just your articles, or a mix of the two. You can use spin syntax as well to make it random. If you gather a big list of ALL the sites you want to backlink, you can write one big spun resource box to randomly backlink everything.

    Before you hit the submit button, look and see how many "OK" sites you have. Now divide that by 30. Usually I get a number between 54 to 78. That will be your daily submits in the next step.

    When you hit submit you'll be asked to specify if you want to submit all at once, or over a period of time. Select the number of daily submits from the first drop down menu. The time period is already set to 24. Then hit submit. Tada...slow steady backlinks for a month.

    A lot of people also submit them all at once. If you have literally hundreds of articles this isn't a bad idea. You can do 1 or 2 a day and get lots of backlinks this way too.

    Hopefully that explains what you were looking for.
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  • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
    If I publish an article to my site then submit it to EZA, how come that's OK?
    Who said that's OK?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by faceblogger View Post

      Who said that's OK?
      Alexa Smith
      TPW - Bill Platt
      ME

      Are you serious Faceblogger?

      You actually think you know more than 2 of the most respected and well known article marketers on the forum?

      Here are Alexa's own words...

      Of course, I always publish all my articles on my own sites first and get them indexed there before submitting them to EZA or anywhere else. And it's the copies on my own site which I want to rank well.
      Which you can read in this thread

      I have heard Alexa say this countless times and it's a well known fact, if you are in any way good at article marketing, that you always index the article on your own site first.

      I think the question is Faceblogger - Where exactly and who says, it isn't OK?

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      • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Alexa Smith
        TPW - Bill Platt
        ME

        Are you serious Faceblogger?

        You actually think you know more than 2 of the most respected and well known article marketers on the forum?

        Here are Alexa's own words...


        Which you can read in this thread

        I have heard Alexa say this countless times and it's a well known fact, if you are in any way good at article marketing, that you always index the article on your own site first.

        I think the question is Faceblogger - Where exactly and who says, it isn't OK?

        Thanks for your reply. I'll go through that thread
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Thanks Alexa, and others. I didn't mean to make anyone mad here. I just said the things I THOUGHT.. didn't mean to to spread any misinformation.

    I have close to 700 articles on Ezine. I guess I better transmit these all over the place now to get some more backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichLife
    In regards to spinning and duplicate content, I recently had an offline client ask me to publish a press release on my web site. (He is in a similar niche, and my site is an authority site.)

    He had published this press release several days earlier using PR Web. PR Web ranks well and has large distribution channels, so this release had been distributed far and wide including Google News, etc. There were already hundreds of results on Google for this release.

    I agreed to promote it on my site, but I honestly felt it would be lost in this sea of authority sites that had already published it several days earlier. I made a page on my site, optimized it for SEO, and posted the press release verbatim.

    Without creating a single external link to this page, his press release ranks #1 for the keywords I targeted. The #2 result is the original press release on PRWeb. I just searched today using the exact title of the press release. Google shows 3,050 results. Of the ones I looked at, none of them had been spun or altered in any fashion.

    Granted this is not an extensive long term study. However, based on this experience it appears to me that Google will show the same document hundreds times in their search results, and top ranking does not depend upon where it was published first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Henri J
    I've been doing article marketing for a few years now and I really like some of the ideas here.

    I would definitely spin them, focus on the top 10 article directories, and also leverage web 2.0 property (blogger, wordpress, squidoo...), and create links inbetween them in a linkwheel kind of fashion.

    I also agree with the fact that spinning is not 100% necessary. Get the articles out there and start rockin'!
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  • Profile picture of the author scorpio007
    Hey,
    Does anyone know if you can submit articles to a article directory (or anywhere else ) and that directory will post them on hundreds of other sites for you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Eamon Diamond
    Go take a look at what Alexa is saying, I know she's right, I've been doing exactly what she quotes, If you were to write an article and send it to say ezine articles, other people are allowed to grab this article and place it on there websites or blogs, as long as they keep your links within, now that could be 100's or even 1000's if it's a fine article, so you're already spread throughout the internet for duplicate content.

    Google know this, if they come spidering and see this article keeps popping up on various websites or blogs, they'll obviously know it's of value and take a better look, maybe manually, this can increase your rankings for they begin to see it's value spread out, viral.
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    • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
      Hi Momo,

      It is a very good idea to resubmit them to other article directories and you don't need to spin them.

      However, you should probably check out the terms and conditions first of the directories you are trying to post to.

      Many of them do not allow content that has already been published elsewhere.

      If there is nothing in the terms of service that disallows it, then feel free to repost with a link back to the original Ezine article.

      The backlinks will help your original articles get a better page rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    I think that one of either Squidoo or Hubpages does now not like content already posted elsewhere...? Can anyone confirm or correct me on this?
    I've always believed that neither does?

    (They're not article directories, obviously. I appreciate - of course! - that you're perfectly clear about that, Chris: just clarifying the point for anyone who might not have seen them ).
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  • Profile picture of the author LegionNate
    Yes Chris, I got something kicked back from Hubpages. The reason they said was it was a duplicate, already found on the internet.
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      To answer the original question, yes it is worthwhile. I've been doing that with article marketing robot for over 6 months now and have increased traffic to all of my sites through using it.

      I don't spin the articles and I don't place links to any other websites but my own in the author bio, usually one for the home page and another for an article or product page on my site. I want to get my sites to the top of the search engines not articles on somebody elses site.

      Hubpages and Squidoo aren't on AMR so whether or not they want unique content isn't relevant to the op's question.
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      • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
        Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

        Yeah but it's relevant if you just want to use them like article directories. Shame you can't - they won't be getting any of my content then......
        Nothing wrong with setting pages up and then using the articles for directories later. I built a squidoo last week with an article that I split down into 6 sections and added images and links. The original article will go out to directories soon.
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    I learnt so much just reading these articles.. I'm going to make my target very soon
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    I think that one of either Squidoo or Hubpages does now not like content already posted elsewhere...? Can anyone confirm or correct me on this?
    Don't quote me on this Chris and I'd recommend finding out with them for yourself but I have heard Hubpages only accept original content now.

    I'm quite possibly wrong there and would recommend checking it out yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    Lots of good information in the thread. So when is spinning worthwhile (if at all it is worthwhile) because obviously in terms of backlinks it seems there is no difference whether you spin it or not.

    Would it be accurate to say,

    Benefit from spinning and submitting the articles to UAW directories (100 directories for comparison purposes) < Benefit from submitting the same article via article submission software (100 directories)
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    Alexa, I think the reason why some marketers recommend building backlinks for ezine articles is that for competitive keywords, the time it takes to rank the ezine article higher in the search engines is a lot easier than if you were to try it on your own site. But I understand when you say we end up on the losing side in the long run because if you were to build backlinks over time to your own site, you will have more sales since you have complete control over your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Cole
    Hi All,

    Fantastic thread! I am SOoooo glad i took the time to fully read this thread. I have simply been wasting my time as well as some of my content. I have content which i have published on my websites, that i was going to "spin" and submit. I think i will need to add these to EZA now.. Unspun!

    I did however try to submit to infobarrel recently and was rejected!!

    The following is their email to me:-

    Your article "Tips for XXXXXXXXXXXXXX" has been denied publication on InfoBarrel.com.

    Reason for denial:
    Hello chris,

    Unfortunately we can not publish this article as it has been published elsewhere previously http://www.hubpages/xxxxx
    At Infobarrel.com we only accept unique original articles that have not been published elsewhere. Feel free to contribute content that unique to Infobarrel.com in the future and rest assured it will be approved.

    Thanks
    Please feel free to submit your article again after you have made the appropriate changes.

    Thanks,
    The InfoBarrel Team


    So what do i now do about this?

    The way i NOW see it, is that by submitting the exact same article to other sites is the EXACT same thing as your content being pulled by other webmasters to their sites. The article still shows as a backlink, but is an exact copy of the initial article you submitted to EZA.. So by us submitting the same article without spinning it is in effect replicating this same process.

    One question though, when you submit the article already published on your site on EZA do you point the resource box to the same article on your site or avoid that and point to another article either on same site or elsewhere?

    Chris.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      I did however try to submit to infobarrel recently and was rejected!!
      Yes, indeed. As stated in their terms of service, previously unpublished content only.

      InfoBarrel is not an article directory.

      Originally Posted by chrisc363 View Post

      One question though, when you submit the article already published on your site on EZA do you point the resource box to the same article on your site or avoid that and point to another article either on same site or elsewhere?
      Definitely avoid that! You have to have another copy of that article on your site (the originally published and indexed version, for long-term SEO purposes) but you certainly don't want to show it to anyone who's just read it, otherwise they'll immediately think "Hold on ... what's going on here? I've just read this!" and hit the "back" button or close the window.

      I wouldn't normally link from one article to another, at all.

      The copies of all my articles in article directories link to my landing page.

      Those that have two links will have one to my landing page and another to another page on my site for which I want to do off-page SEO and on which I don't mind people landing, but it won't be an articles page (it might be a product review, or information about a product, or whatever). But whichever page it is, it will definitely contain a prominent, incentivised opt-in offering them something directly relevant to the content of the article they've just read, effectively in exchange for their email address.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt Abel
    I love AMR and have had great success with it - submitting unspun articles that I first posted on my site, and then EZA.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Cole
    Hi All,

    Thank you Alexa for taking the time to answer my query

    I now get it regarding the resource box and where we should aim to send the traffic. We send them to our pre-sell page or to another relevant page we wish to do SEO for.

    Once you have your article on both your site and Ezine, do you then further submit the article to other high traffic places and stop there or also then syndicate the article out to even more sites. Reason i ask is i have Article marketing robot and could also use this with my article for further backlinks and a bit of SEO, albeit low value links.

    Chris.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Once you have your article on both your site and Ezine, do you then further submit the article to other high traffic places and stop there or also then syndicate the article out to even more sites.
      I send them, privately, by email, to people who've syndicated one or more of my articles before (having contacted them previously to arrange to do so, of course) and will give them the articles the day before I submit them to EZA. There's a little bit of "timing" involved in it, from my perspective, because in spite of some people finding EZA slow to approve, I submit my articles in the evening and they're usually live/published when I wake up the following morning (and that's without a "premium account" there - the time difference is effectively in my favour to do it that way, as I'm in the UK).

      I also tend to submit to GoArticles and ArticlesBase as well.

      A year ago I actually submitted to 4 or 5 others, too, but I've gradually cut them down with the increasing realisation that there was no real benefit from it at all.

      I wouldn't want EZA to be the only place I submit them (even though, in my case, it's nearly all of the value), just in case a wheel comes off tomorrow and EZA suddenly closes down (almost inconceivable, I know, but it costs nothing to submit to ArticlesBase and GoArticles as well, just to avoid a big chunk of my business being permanently dependent on one article directory and suffering great inconvenience if that should ever disappear).

      Originally Posted by chrisc363 View Post

      i have Article marketing robot and could also use this with my article for further backlinks and a bit of SEO, albeit low value links.
      Up to you ... they're all non-context-relevant backlinks on PR-0 pages (regardless of the page-rank of the directories' home pages), but it could be argued that even those backlinks are better than none at all. For myself, to be honest, I'd rather use the time spent doing an AMR distribution in finding one or two decent context-relevant blogs on which I might manage to leave a value-adding, constructive comment with a quality backlink which won't be "moderated" (i.e. deleted), or looking through Clickbank's marketplace in search of untouched low-gravity gold-dust.

      One thing I don't deny: there's no likely downside to using AMR for further distribution, other than the time/effort spent on it.
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      • Profile picture of the author mekap04
        Reading through this thread has really changed how I thought about article marketing. Thanks Alexa for sharing your thoughts. I have learned something very valuable once again. Time to get those articles on my blogs to EZA.

        For some odd reason, I thought you couldn't do that but now I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    What ever happened to just writing for the fun of it??!
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    • Profile picture of the author deanmoney
      This has been a very helpful thread but I have a couple of questions about anchor text and linking. Lets say I do all the below things:

      1. I submit my article to my site first and bookmark it.
      2. Around a week later I submit the same article to the top 5 article directories.

      After these steps is where I need more help. Should I change the title of the article to help it show up higher in search results and over other articles? Since I have read that having the long tail anchor text first works better: Ex " Learn to Play Guitar Well - Learn to Play Guitar in No Time". Having my blog post look like this would be odd since I like to have my long tail "learn to play guitar well" mixed into the title.

      Also if I am submitting to 5 different sites should I change the anchor text or leave them the same? Like for ezinearticles would be "learn to play guitar well" for one and my homepage would be "learn how to play guitar". I would rather not link to a product review since that product might disappear and I am looking for long term SEO success. Also some of these article sites you can't edit your article when you submit it. So for example goarticles might be "learn to play guitar well today" and "learn how to play guitar online" and so forth or leave them all the same? I only ask this since once again I hear google likes a variety of anchor text pointing to your site but if it's the same article is the opposite true?

      And one last thing is why is it bad to link back with the long tail to the same article on my site for SEO reasons. Granted its the same article but that's the article I want to outrank all the ones on article sites. Since I will also be offering a free report on that page as well I don't think I will see that big of a bounce rate. But I do see the benefit of having many sites linking with the word I want to rank for outweighing the negatives in the long run.

      My overall goal is to have my articles be first in google plus at least 1 of these other same articles from article directories be on the first page as well but not outrank me.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        What ever happened to just writing for the fun of it??!
        That's a different forum... :p
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        • Profile picture of the author tamarindcandy
          Superb thread. I learned a lot here in a quick read than I did looking up tons of irrelevant claptrap across the web.

          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          That's a different forum... :p
          Right? Who writes SEO articles for fun? :p
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          • Profile picture of the author BellaGrayson
            Just wanted to chime in here and also say that this was very informative. I had been trying to search for a few specific article writing questions, and this thread was able to answer all of them for me. Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author MagicWhisper
        Originally Posted by deanmoney View Post

        After these steps is where I need more help. Should I change the title of the article to help it show up higher in search results and over other articles? Since I have read that having the long tail anchor text first works better: Ex " Learn to Play Guitar Well - Learn to Play Guitar in No Time". Having my blog post look like this would be odd since I like to have my long tail "learn to play guitar well" mixed into the title.
        I would like to know the answer to this too, please.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by deanmoney View Post

          Should I change the title of the article to help it show up higher in search results and over other articles? Since I have read that having the long tail anchor text first works better: Ex " Learn to Play Guitar Well - Learn to Play Guitar in No Time". Having my blog post look like this would be odd since I like to have my long tail "learn to play guitar well" mixed into the title.
          Originally Posted by MagicWhisper View Post

          I would like to know the answer to this too, please.
          Like the article itself, your title has two jobs.

          The primary, over-riding job is to catch the eye of a reader and tempt them to read the article. Without actual human readers, search position is worthless.

          SEO is the secondary job of an article title. You want to work your keyword into the title, but not at the expense of attracting readers.
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          • Profile picture of the author MagicWhisper
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Like the article itself, your title has two jobs.

            The primary, over-riding job is to catch the eye of a reader and tempt them to read the article. Without actual human readers, search position is worthless.

            SEO is the secondary job of an article title. You want to work your keyword into the title, but not at the expense of attracting readers.
            I know what the titles are for, our question do we change up the article title for at every article directory for the same article, or can/should we use the same one.
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by MagicWhisper View Post

              I know what the titles are for, our question do we change up the article title for at every article directory for the same article, or can/should we use the same one.
              Will changing it make it more attractive to readers or give you a SEO benefit?

              If you can change the title to make it more attractive, or you want to test different titles, change it. Otherwise, leave it alone.

              If you want to change the keyword you're emphasizing in the title, change the title. Otherwise, leave it alone.

              There is no reason you can't use the same title. Whether you should or not depends on what you're trying to achieve.

              I wasn't trying to be cryptic...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Falk
    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

    Most, not quite all. But everything I submit to directories has gone on my own sites first. I do have other site-contents which aren't "articles" which nobody would ever be willing to syndicate, of course, such as product reviews, and I don't submit that anywhere else.
    I've been building sites for a few years but actually never got into article marketing which probably has slowed traffic growth. Anyway, I'm about to jump in and glad to have found this thread as It has been very helpful. Here is my question.

    I have a website that is mostly guitar reviews. I pud ads up for the specific guitars and make descent money this way. Reviews seem the way to go as far as converting. In the above statement you said you don't submit product reviews to the article directories. Is there a reason for this like perhaps article directories don't except reviews? Is it just not smart to do it because once they read your review somewhere else they have no reason to continue to your site?

    I guess I wonder on a site like this how could I utilize article marketing? Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Michael Falk View Post

      I've been building sites for a few years but actually never got into article marketing which probably has slowed traffic growth. Anyway, I'm about to jump in and glad to have found this thread as It has been very helpful. Here is my question.

      I have a website that is mostly guitar reviews. I pud ads up for the specific guitars and make descent money this way. Reviews seem the way to go as far as converting. In the above statement you said you don't submit product reviews to the article directories. Is there a reason for this like perhaps article directories don't except reviews? Is it just not smart to do it because once they read your review somewhere else they have no reason to continue to your site?

      I guess I wonder on a site like this how could I utilize article marketing? Thanks
      I won't presume to answer for Alexa, but here's why I don't submit reviews to article directories...

      You've come very close when you say "once they read your review somewhere else they have no reason to continue to your site?" If I write my reviews properly, the next logical step is clicking to someplace the person reading the review can buy it, and that's usually not my site.

      You can utilize article marketing by stepping back and looking at what your prospects are looking for prior to seeking reviews. What do they want to know?

      In your guitar example, it might be something like which type of guitar to buy - electric or acoustic, steel vs. nylon strings, 6 or 12 strings, etc.

      You can also start the pre-selling process by writing about the desirable and undesirable traits in all guitars. Of course, the ones you review on your site and recommend have most of the good traits and few of the bad ones.

      How about different guitars for different styles of music?

      Bottom line, your articles have two jobs to do - put the reader in the mood to buy a guitar, and rely on you for information about which guitar to buy. The 'which to buy' info is in your reviews, on your site, of course...
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Falk
        @JohnMcCabe Thanks, this makes sense especially the part about identifying two jobs to do. I think I've covered suggesting guitars to buy and offering reviews so I think I will cover some secondary topics to help get people in the mood to buy and think about guitars. Thanks much
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyR
    hi I always submit to Ezinearticles after Google has indexed them from my site first and had no problmes getting them accepted.
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  • Profile picture of the author vargasglobal
    I'm loving this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    Yes! I would re-submit them! But spin them first!
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  • Profile picture of the author GregoryD
    Glad i found this thread!

    Of course! Makes perfect sense. It's MY article. I own the rights. My name in the article directories is ... my name... haha. So the heck with it! It's all good. Let's build some backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author sylviad
    I'd be interested to know...

    Is Google going to keep giving you the same quality of link juice for the same article published in 20 different places?

    And if those 20 identical articles target the same keyword, will Google see them as the same thing multiplied over different sites, or as individual articles?

    And will Google pull up all 20 articles when someone searches for that keyword?

    Just asking.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

      Is Google going to keep giving you the same quality of link juice for the same article published in 20 different places?
      The link-juice doesn't relate to the article; it relates to the "place".

      Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

      And if those 20 identical articles target the same keyword, will Google see them as the same thing multiplied over different sites, or as individual articles?
      Again, the link-juice doesn't relate to the article; it relates to the backlink.

      A backlink on a "unique" article isn't worth any more than one on a syndicated article on the same page. People selling spinning software sometimes claim that it is, on their sales pages, of course, and sometimes even in their forum posts, but that doesn't make it true. :p

      Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

      And will Google pull up all 20 articles when someone searches for that keyword?
      In theory not. They try to list only one in SERP's results (they say).

      It seems that about 80% of the time (maybe even a little more?), they manage it, too.

      Multiple copies in the SERP's are less common, but they certainly happen. I've had an article on my own site at number 1 a few times with an identical EZA copy at number 2. (Only temporarily - the EZA copy always disappears from the SERP's some time later).
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