Do you shovel your own snow?

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If you live in an area where it snows, do you go out and shovel your own snow?

It snowed here in New York really bad a couple of weeks ago. So, I grabbed my shovel and went out there in the cold to work. I spent about an hour by myself digging out the cars, clearing the driveway, putting down salt, etc.

Looking back on it, other than getting some exercise, it was a huge waste of time. It's all about opportunity cost. I should have called Alex & Pedro and paid them like $60 to do it instead. If I can make more than $60 in an hour doing something else, it doesn't make sense to spend my time shoveling the snow.

Today, it snowed again and I gladly paid the kids to have it shoveled. I then went to my computer and sent out an email. Within 30 minutes I made much more than the $60 I paid.

The same thing applies to your business in general.

If spending your time on revenue producing activities instead of the daily grunt work will make you much more than you would pay to have someone do that work, you're not making the most of your time.

Time is money. Therefore, if you're doing everything yourself, your income will always be limited by how much time you have.

The secret to achieving wealth is figuring out how to decouple your time from your money. You have to learn how to build assets that produce income for you and how to leverage other people's time profitably.

What do you think about this?

Do you still shovel your own snow (a.k.a. doing customer support, link building, graphics design, coding, writing articles, etc) ?

If those things produce income for you, then great. If not, take a strong look at your opportunity cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author gvannorman
    I read this thinking that there is actually someone who shovels snow. I live in upstate NY, we have lots of snow if any of you guys want some.

    Now, I personally do most of the grunt work myself. I do this because I feel that I can get it done right, and free. Even if it takes me longer than it would. At least I have complete control over all the quality and content.

    There is one thing that I have outsourced in the past. I outsourced setting up a WP blog and installing the plug ins. I have since learned this and now I do it all.

    Still haven't gotten the hang of html but I am working on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
      Originally Posted by gvannorman View Post

      Now, I personally do most of the grunt work myself. I do this because I feel that I can get it done right, and free. Even if it takes me longer than it would. At least I have complete control over all the quality and content.
      It's not free that's the point.

      If you could go and do a job that pays $50 an hour or a job that pays $100 an hour, which would you choose?

      The logic doesn't change why you could pay someone $10 an hour to do something for you while you do something worth $50 an hour. Instead of doing the $10 an hour work for yourself.

      There seem to be a lot of people in this thread paying a heavy price for free.
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      • Profile picture of the author gvannorman
        Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher View Post

        It's not free that's the point.

        If you could go and do a job that pays $50 an hour or a job that pays $100 an hour, which would you choose?

        The logic doesn't change why you could pay someone $10 an hour to do something for you while you do something worth $50 an hour. Instead of doing the $10 an hour work for yourself.

        There seem to be a lot of people in this thread paying a heavy price for free.
        I say this because as of right now, I am not making $50/hour doing anything. In fact I am not even making $10/hour. I am still trying figure this whole thing out.
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  • Profile picture of the author TelexTape
    I shoveled snow away from the chicken coop a little bit ago so they would come out and get some fresh air for a bit, lol, didn't bother with my own sidewalk.

    Watching your video now. My major goal for this year is outsourcing as much as I can.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Hi Ron,
    Once in a blue moon I'll shovel snow but most of the time my wife enjoys doing it.

    I look at it this way, If she likes doing it then why should I deprive her of what makes
    her happy?

    Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmark
    I live in upstate NY, we have lots of snow if any of you guys want some.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I've got a crew of 8 right now that shovels the snow for me, though I do, on occasion, make a snowman.

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  • Profile picture of the author mike-seo
    Well I shovel my own snow as well, ... and that's because of the NST ( not sufficient tools ) in my garage ( read $$$$$ ) .

    Tonight I will watch your video. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author BlondieWrites
    I live in the South and it seldom snows down here anymore. But, if it did, I wouldn't shovel it. I'd be out playing in it and enjoying it, til it melted... which would be only a few hours.

    As for what you really meant in the post... yeah, I do all of my own work. I am what they call a one woman show lol.



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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    I had to shovel it this morning

    Last night we got a lot of snow and early morning, before I got up, they cleared the street... which means the plows pushed a huge pile of snow along the sidewalks, so it was impossible to get out from the garage.
    My wife had to leave early morning (with the car that was in the garage, of course) so at that time I couldn't get anybody to shovel it.

    Oh well, once in a while I can consider it as "exercise"

    P.S. But you are right, Ron! Usually, I avoid this type of work and hire somebody with the money earned on the net.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian Alaway
      Thank God I don't have that problem but point well taken. This realization is particularly hard for those of us who are control freaks but in the end it only makes sense. On the other hand, given the pathetic physical condition of the "information generation" many would be better off getting off their keisters and doing some physical exercise. Just sayin.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        We've actually outsourced all the "grounds" work around our home, though
        lately my wife has gotten a perverse pleasure out of shoveling the snow
        herself. Don't ask me why.

        Ron makes an excellent point. I'd rather pay some kids $60 (normally we
        pay around $50) to shovel the snow, than do it myself. I can also send out
        an email and make ten or twenty times that much in a short time.

        Some things, however, I still prefer to be hands on with, such as article
        writing and product creation. At the risk of sounding stuck up, conceited
        and a total bore, no outsourced source can write articles and create
        products as good as I can, and I don't want to sacrifice the quality of my
        work in exchange for more products and articles.

        I know a lot of people say I am leaving tons of money on the table, and
        that's fine.

        IMO, quality comes before quanitity.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

    It's all about opportunity cost. I should have called Alex & Pedro and paid them like $60 to do it instead. If I can make more than $60 in an hour doing something else, it doesn't make sense to spend my time shoveling the snow.
    Don Lapre drilled this into my head in 1992:

    "Never do anything yourself when someone else can do it for $5 an hour."

    It's important to note that it's CAN do it, not WILL do it. Plenty of people will do a crap job of something for $5 an hour because they want the $5. It's important to understand whether they CAN do it before you hire them.

    And applause for actually saying "opportunity cost" - econ geeks like me all across the forum are dancing in glee.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      And applause for actually saying "opportunity cost" - econ geeks like me all across the forum are dancing in glee.
      He's not wrong. I got a kick out of "Opportunity cost" too
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post


      And applause for actually saying "opportunity cost" - econ geeks like me all across the forum are dancing in glee.
      LOl. I'm an econ geek too. Economics college major, Finance & Investments MBA, Chartered Financial Analyst, 10 years on Wall St, etc. Don't get much more geeky than that .
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

        Don't get much more geeky than that .
        I'm FB friends with Tyler Cowen.

        That may actually out-geek you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    I like the exercise and the quiet in the early morning is a great time to let my mind wander free.

    Simple things in life like breaking a sweat shoveling snow give me pleasure. I sometimes head over early in the morning or even in the middle of the night and secretly shovel our elderly neighbors driveways and walks.

    But I also hire neighborhood kids in the spring/summer/fall to work in the yard and garden so that they can make some cash and so that I can make even more :-)

    And... when you want to head up to the slopes and hit the fresh powder while your automated systems are taking orders and making you money as you snowboard... there is no waiting around for anyone else to shovel for you ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author nomore340
    great thought provoking post. I personally shovel my own snow, but when it comes to spring and summer yard work, I pay someone to do it. I agree with your 'time is money' as long as we don't spend our lives paying someone to live our lives!
    Shoveling snow and working in the yard allows for interaction with real live people and to see the sky once in a while. Although I do pay someone to cut the grass, both here and at my parents house, a total of 12 hours a month which is valuable time being lost on grass!
    When it comes to tasks that can perhaps be completed by someone else affordably, I go for it. Especially if it is someone who needs the work. I pay them fairly, not overseas outsourcing wages. It is a horrible state of mind to be in when you think that someone's time is only worth 5.00.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Ryan
      Another econ major here, so I dig the references. And no I don't shovel my snow, I use a snow blower

      To get to your point, I think many people when first starting out have to "shovel their own snow". Yes, their profits will be limited to what they can get done. However once they get their processes down and have the cash flow, it only makes sense to have someone else "shovel the snow".

      That's when things really start to take off.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Rodman
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      I was thinking about that the other day. For some reason, I have a harder time outsourcing certain things and I think Snowplowing would be one of them. One-time things, like painting, there's no way that I'll ever do. Ditto with plumbing, laying hardwood floors, finishing a basement, etc.

      I'm more than willing to outsource business stuff and things homeowner "one-time" expenses. But things like mowing the lawn and snow shoveling are things I just suck it up and do. Mostly because I'd probably just be sitting around anyways. Maybe it's something to consider though. I don't particularly like it.

      I agree on the opportunity cost argument though. I think most people fail to take that into consideration when they buy new products. They say "Hey, it's $50 and if I get one technique I can use, it pays for itself". But they forget about all the energy/time used to stop, review, read, implement, and then evaluate.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Hey Ron,

    I live in the middle of Saskatchewan it snows a LOT here I do not shovel the snow.
    I hire the town and they bring the bulldozer and bammo it is gone and I am free to get in and out of the driveway.

    summer time I hire them to do the lawns . When I was a kid I would go door to door and make money that way sometimes a couple hundred in a day now I am older and for the time it takes to do it I simply don't consider it worthy of my time.

    That said if I gotta get out and they can't get here in time YUP you got it I gotta shovel the stuff but that is rare.

    Having said that and to answer your questions right now I hire some people to do what I need done but I do lots of my own grunt work online even when I get millionaire status I may still do I enjoy some of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Hey Ron,
    A little Trivia Fact for you:
    Did you know that on Jan. 11, 2011 that 49 of the 50 US. States had snow on the
    ground? The only state that didn't have snow was Florida!

    Gotta love the Global Warming...lol
    Ref: Snow present in 49 of the 50 U.S. states – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

    Have a Great Day!
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    • Profile picture of the author imon32red
      Ron,

      I like your logic but I shovel mine and about 6 other houses consistently all winter long. Sure I could go out and hire the neighborhood kids, but I actually enjoy it. Its kind of like going to the gym. You aren't increasing your portfolio's net worth by going to the gym, but it lets you live life a little more fully and you feel better about yourself. I also run into my neighbors and have a good relationship with them.

      I think it is nice to find reasons to get away from the computer and take a break once in a while.

      I do understand your point though. I can buy an article for $10 for one of my sites that is a hundred times better than anything I could ever come up with, and a similar article would take hours of my time.

      Disclaimer: I don't actually use a shovel. I use a top end Toro snowblower that does almost all of the work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Good analogy, Ron, but I'd like to add a couple points.

    I don't shovel, I take out my "cadillac" of a snow blower and blast the snow 25 feet away!

    Yes, I could pay someone else, but not everything that can be outsourced needs to be outsourced. There can be benefits to doing your own work, at least some of the time.

    I get some of my best ideas while I'm getting the exercise of snow removal.
    Similarly, by doing your own "grunt work" some of the time you can get better ideas about your whole operation. For example, you may have trained someone to do something a certain way. If you do it yourself now and then you may discover a better way of doing it that will save your outsourcer time and you money.

    I often stay at home for days at a time, so getting some FRESH air while snow blowing is good.
    We can get into a rut doing the creative, money making things. Breaking the routine can refresh our enthusiasm and give us new ideas.

    Good post, dude.
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    • Profile picture of the author imon32red
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


      I don't shovel, I take out my "cadillac" of a snow blower and blast the snow 25 feet away!

      I get some of my best ideas while I'm getting the exercise of snow removal.
      Similarly, by doing your own "grunt work" some of the time you can get better ideas about your whole operation. For example, you may have trained someone to do something a certain way. If you do it yourself now and then you may discover a better way of doing it that will save your outsourcer time and you money.
      Dennis you beat me to it. A high end snowblower makes all the difference in the world.

      I also get many great ideas while I am snowblowing in the winter, and mowing the lawn in warm weather. In fact it seems that most of my best ideas come when I am not at the computer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by nomore340 View Post

        I agree with your 'time is money' as long as we don't spend our lives paying someone to live our lives!
        ^^^^^Well said!^^^^^

        Ron, of course you're right about the grunt work. It's nearly always more cost-effective to focus your attention on the main revenue-generating areas of your business.

        But if you were to assess every activity purely in terms of its hourly monetary value, you'd be missing the big picture, IMO.

        Like Josh, Dennis and others in this thread, I enjoy getting out of the house when it snows (we don't get so much of it here, so it's still a novelty), but I also enjoy just spending time away from the computer, often in the most non productive of activities.

        I don't stress about the potential wasted revenue, because a) life's too short, and b) most of my sites are set up to earn income without needing my constant attention.

        If we can't waste a bit of time doing nothing but quietly contemplating every now and then, what's the point of it all?


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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Well, sometimes you have to shovel your own snow.

          I'm in the hills right now and while someone plows the main road which is pretty full, there are no kids around the block to come over and shovel my snow. LOL, and down the way I'm sure the parents who have kids are making them go out and shovel their snow.

          I do need to drop a few pounds so it may not be such a bad thing for me right now.

          What I am doing is multitasking. I have on some wireless headphones which work outside of the house and I am listening to some marketing while I do it.

          In my business, I still shovel a lot of my own snow as well. I have control issues letting others do some things - but that is another story.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          Like Josh, Dennis and others in this thread, I enjoy getting out of the house when it snows (we don't get so much of it here, so it's still a novelty), but I also enjoy just spending time away from the computer, often in the most non productive of activities.

          Frank
          Shoveling was just an analogy for time spent doing certain manual tasks. If you enjoy it, then it's time well spent.
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        • Profile picture of the author Palusko
          <metaphor>
          I shovel my snow. For now I use a snow shovel. But everytime it is not snowing, I am working towards buying a snowblower. And once I buy it, I will start working towards hiring someone else with a snowblower. Or maybe even someone with a snowplow. Mr.Plow maybe :-)
          Everything needs to be done in its own time.
          Plus, it is good to know how to shovel the snow. In case the snowblower breaks or the guy with snowplow moves away.
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

            Hey Ron,
            A little Trivia Fact for you:
            Did you know that on Jan. 11, 2011 that 49 of the 50 US. States had snow on the
            ground? The only state that didn't have snow was Florida!

            Gotta love the Global Warming...lol
            Ref: Snow present in 49 of the 50 U.S. states - This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

            Have a Great Day!
            Michael
            Yup, I avoided the decision altogether by moving where it doesn't snow. The wind chill index was supposed to dip under 40, though, so we did have wind chill warnings... :p

            Ron, joking aside, I do get your point. I may not have to worry about shoveling snow, but I haven't mowed my own grass in five years, either. Don't own a lawnmower, high end or otherwise, either...
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            • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
              I pay to have my walkway and drive ways and those of my tenants plowed/shoveled.
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  • Really depends, when I'm lazy or just don't feel like it, I pay someone to do it. If I actually want to get some fresh air, exercise and just away from my computers to clear my mind again, I'll happily do it. Good metaphor you put there though
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  • Profile picture of the author webcosmo
    since this morning I did twice. i still have the sidewalk and parking to cover!

    man wish i bought a machine.
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  • I don't shovel my snow. I wait until it melts... (Serious) Snow melts faster when spread out than when it is piled together.

    But that's actually an interesting point of view you put out. I've actually heard this being said by many marketers time and time again... But I have never really agreed with it.

    The reason being that it only takes into consideration the opportunity cost from a financial point of view. How about the physical, mental and emotional opportunity cost of paying someone to shovel rather than doing it yourself?

    By sitting in front of a computer and earning some money rather than going out and shoveling the snow, you have lost the opportunity to exercise your body, to get some fresh air, to walk through the driveway and enjoy the scenery, and to say hi to the neighbor shoveling his driveway next door.

    In other words, it does help you to build financial wealth, but in exchange you lose physical, mental and emotional wealth. It leads to an imbalanced lifestyle and sometimes deterioration of other life skills.

    For example, if I taught my son to pay someone to clean up the driveway instead of learning how to do it himself, he'd grow up to be a scrawny and weak kid who doesn't know how to do anything except earning money.

    Well, like I said, I think life balance is important. Sometimes it's good to shovel the snow yourself, sometimes it's good to pay others to do it so that you can relax after a tiring day of jogging through the hills.

    But let's take into consideration what happens when you shovel the snow yourself. Every time you shovel the snow yourself, you get more proficient at it. You get stronger, and over time you start to be able to do it faster and faster.

    Meaning that, initially, there is some opportunity cost to shoveling the snow, but over time that cost grows less and less as you do it more often and you become better and better at it. When it reaches such a stage, you lose more by not shoveling the snow than by shoveling the snow.

    You become stronger and faster. Your healthy body leads to a healthy mind, and as a result of shoveling the snow everyday, you become more productive in all aspects of your business.

    It's important to invest time in your business, but more important than that, I think it's vital to invest time in yourself as well.

    Cheers,
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    P.S. After you become an expert at shoveling the snow, your neighbor sees how amazing you are and asks you to teach him how you do it. You release an eBook about How to Shovel the Snow in 5 minutes or Less, and the rest is history... In the end, not only can shoveling the snow benefit you physically, mentally, and emotionally, but it can benefit you financially as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Great thought-provoking post, Ron. I'm an econ geek like you, and absolutely love calculating and hypothesizing about the opportunity costs of doing certain tasks.

    While opportunity cost is a very valid way of looking at things, it's also important to determine if your time can be utilized in a higher-value manner at that particular point in time. For example, if one of your high value activities is consulting with clients and you find that you need to be shoveling snow out of your driveway at 7 am when there is no one to talk to, then the opportunity cost of shoveling snow at that point in time is really nothing of consequence, because in this case you do not have a vastly higher-value activity to participate in.

    When it's snowy and dreary like it is at this time of the year, let's not forget that it's important to get some exercise too. Clearing your head and getting out of the house will do you some good - a change of pace and environment can help spark new creativity, and the exercise doesn't hurt either.

    As they say, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, and by trying to outsource everything you may end up working too much on your business, to the point where it yields diminishing returns.

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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Hmmmm... Opportunity Cost.

      Now there is a profound concept seldom discussed.

      Everything we do in life has opportunity cost attached to it. Every move you make in your business and every action you take has opporunity cost attached.

      And that cost can compound at an exponential rate either good or bad. So think long and hard before making those decisions that not only impact you now.. but will also have long term repercussions.

      In think the real question should be: Do you write your own name in the snow??

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  • Profile picture of the author smartalex4
    I can't remember the last time I shoveled snow...don't remember it being much fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Lianelli
    Ron, I don't have to shovel snow - I live in an apartment.

    As for the metaphor, yes I do customer support. But I don't do SEO, link building and all those other (for me) useless tasks. They don't make me money and I rather become an authority site by word of mouth than from being in Google for some obscure keywords - thanks to my link being spammed across the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author SusanPoole
    INTRIGUING... 3 of my compadres live the 4-hour work week by outsourcing just as you have described here - the idea was incubated in best-seller "The 4-HOUR Work Week" by Timothy Ferris. You are correct - assess what you can make per hour versus what it would cost to pay someone less to do menial up to general business tasks. SusanPoole
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  • Profile picture of the author gekko2.0
    I actually like shoveling, it's great exercise and is often a much needed break from the computer
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  • Profile picture of the author BlogPiG.com
    Learned the hard way that outsourcing snow-shovelling is the way to go.

    At first the labourers might not work as fast as you would. They might not do as tidy or thorough a job as you would. They might actually slow you down at times or interrupt you with questions in the early days (do you want to snow moved to here, to or here?).

    But if you persist then your time can be freed up to do the really valuable tasks or the tasks which only you will ever have the exact skill set to deliver.
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    No, I have 50 cent to do it for me:
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