FireFox VS IE (Both Stink In My Opinion)

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Well, I've been using Firefox for some time now, having finally gotten away
from IE, which gave me all kinds of problems.

But lately, I am finding things about Firefox that I like even less. I'd like to
say it has something to do with having installed Kaspersky (problems started
right after that) but honestly I don't know since these problems are not
showing up in IE.

So you know what versions I'm using, Firefox 2 and IE 6.

Here is the problem I am experiencing.

I'll go to a site in Firefox, it will start to load and then suddenly it will just
stop loading. Sometimes it will finish (usually a couple of minutes later) but
sometimes I have to hit the refresh button.

If I go to the same site in IE, it loads right away. No lag time. And I'm on
a high speed connection in case anybody is asking.

This problem doesn't happen on all sites, but it does seem to happen on
sites that are either forum based, retail based or multimedia based. In
other words, where a lot of resources would be used. Blogs, things like
that, no problem.

If it was Kaspersky, wouldn't it affect IE as well?

If it was my connection, wouldn't it affect IE as well?

The other day, I went to a site to watch a video in Firefox. The page just
wouldn't finish loading. I finally closed it up, brought up IE and the page
loaded in literally 5 seconds.

This is becoming very frustrating, especially here at this forum as threads
are taking 30 to 60 seconds to load. In IE, no wait time.

I don't want to go back to IE 6. One of the things that I DO love about
Firefox is the ctrl t function for opening up a tab in the same window. IE
6 doesn't support this function and there is no way I am going to IE 7 with
all the problems that monster has.

I know you're going to say to check and see what plugins I have for
Firefox. Well, I don't know how to do that (I looked through tools and can't
find anything) and besides, the only plugin I think I have is for Stumbleupon,
though I am not sure.

If anybody has any idea why I am suddenly having this problem since
installing Kaspersky (may or may not be the cause) I'm all ears. I have
even tried disabling Kaspersky so that it doesn't scan for viruses when
going to web pages, but it didn't solve the problem.

All I know is that before I got Kaspersky, I didn't have this problem. And
when I read many reviews about it slowing up your PC considerably, I was
concerned, though most people here assured me it wouldn't happen. Well,
now I'm not so sure. And yet, why is IE fine? Doesn't make sense.

Anyway, any help you can give me will be appreciated because I am
actually ready to go back to IE.
#firefox #opinion #stink
  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Hmm...that is odd to say the least. You may want to try Opera Opera Browser | Faster & safer Internet | Free Download VERY fast. Haven't had an issue with it yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    If your instincts are telling you that the problem started with Kaspersky, have you tried uninstalling Kaspersky and using AVG8 or Avast instead to see what happens?

    You could also try updating FF. I use v3
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hi,

    Personally I could never figure out what's the big deal with firefox. I guess it's a techie thing.

    Sad to me is the fact that I have a lot of friends who blindly say "I use firefox because 'they' say it's better."

    The anon "they" creeps into yet another herd.

    Anyway, I've never had problems with IE. Then again not being a techie I probably wouldn't recognize a problem if it bit me.

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    • Profile picture of the author tomw
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Hi,

      Personally I could never figure out what's the big deal with firefox. I guess it's a techie thing.

      Sad to me is the fact that I have a lot of friends who blindly say "I use firefox because 'they' say it's better."

      The anon "they" creeps into yet another herd.

      Anyway, I've never had problems with IE. Then again not being a techie I probably wouldn't recognize a problem if it bit me.

      George Wright
      Many techies use Firefox because of its extensible functionality through plugins, especially for development and SEO activities. Many non-techies in the IM business seem to have switched over to;

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    • Profile picture of the author dmderoeck
      IE is ridiculous! It's full of security holes, it's not IM friendly and... and it's Microsoft

      Firefox is soo much better in all areas! It's faster, you can customize it - the add-on's alone are worth using.

      I also agree with Rosetrees, AVG and Avast (I use the latter) is a great antivirus software, and best of all it's free!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    How about Google Chrome - Download a new browser

    I literally just installed it, so I can't give a detailed review yet, but after using it for 5 minutes, I'm loving it...

    UPDATE: One big thing I noticed right off was that you gain over an inch of screen vertically... it's almost like surfing in 'full screen' mode..., since the tabs are at the very top... very cool

    Anyone else here use google chrome? your opinions?

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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Thanks for the reminder. I totally forgot about this.

      George Wright

      Originally Posted by webdesignhq View Post

      How about Google Chrome - Download a new browser

      I literally just installed it, so I can't give a detailed review yet, but after using it for 5 minutes, I'm loving it...

      Anyone else here use google chrome? your opinions?

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    • Profile picture of the author schabotte
      Firefox in its early releases was a real stable platform for me. I still use it but with each new release, little problems creep into it. Most are just occasional minor annoyances - not enough to make me switch to another browser - but once in a while I do need to switch to IE to work with a particular web page which is frustrating.

      At this point, I find the add-ons to the browser more useful than the occasional problems I have with it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
          For all those having problems with firefox there is an open source community willing to take your problems seriously and fix it.

          I personally have never had a problem with firefox, but I would try and figure out a way to inform the thousands of developers to help fix any glitches that might arise. It helps everyone.
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          • Profile picture of the author writergirlk
            Where do you find the open source community?

            I am having an odd glitch with Firefox too, even though I love it. If there is an update alert and it happens when I am running the browser, the browser will stop loading pages. The thing is, I'll never know that it is in the process of cratching because of the pending updates - I don't get a notification. I only know after I shut down firefox and then load it again.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    I'm on firefox, Chrome, Flock,

    And I have Safari, Opera for testing..

    But usually I stick with Chrome and Firefox

    Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Giannetti
    I never had a problem with IE
    I cannot figure out why people have so much problems.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Markets
    Firefox was great, until about 2 weeks ago. Now it fails to load at times. Having installed the latest version, the problem doesn't seem to be going away. I figured it's another case where the more popular something gets, the less efficient it becomes.

    -WM
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  • Profile picture of the author Ivancho
    to be honest with you i never have any trouble with FF
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    • Profile picture of the author jinmin
      Firefox works fine for me. Anyway, I am using both Firefox and IE to test my website and blogs. The Add-on in Firefox is fantastic !

      Overall I give FF 4 out of 5 stars, and IE 2 out of 5 stars.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Steve,

      One reason websites can choke when loading is that the graphics on the page are not sized correctly for the space they take up.

      It is very common for a website builder to get lazy and just try to cram a 400 X 300 px image into a 300 X 220 px space, as an example. Your browser will eventually figure it out, but sometimes it stumbles for a while. Once you cache the page the problem may resolve faster.

      I'm not saying that this is the sole source of your angst, but how about calling a little muster on those lazy website builders. They are the ones causing you as much grief as your browsers.

      As the guy with the deep voice says, "In A World..."

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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Steven

      You know the disclaimer

      "different people will have different results depending on skill, effort . . .etc etc".

      Just substitute the word "computer" for "people".

      I think we're getting into HAL (2001: A Space Odyssey) territory.

      Every computer is different.

      Think of them as being like people. We all have a unique character formed by our genetics (for computers read hardware) and our life experiences (for computers read installations, downloads, plugins, etc).

      A few times I have had problems with my computer that have stumped technical support
      ("Are you sure you did XYZ because I cannot reproduce the error")

      On one computer IE7 destroyed my registry. On another, I haven't had a single problem.

      What was the difference? Both computers had the same setup.

      Maybe the first computer had a weak immune system and depression because I didn't talk to it as much as its colleague. Who knows? A computer that is one year old is already different from every other computer in a million different ways.

      I love Firefox and never had a problem until I installed Last FM radio plugin.
      My wife's computer has no problem with the same plugin (a music-loving computer?).

      Don't sweat it. What works, works and what doesn't work might work after your computer has had a holiday.

      Have a nice cup of tea and watch Return To The Forbidden Planet (The Musical).

      Martin
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        It sounds like you could have a virus of some kind.

        Might want to get a computer techhie to look at your computer or test it with a different computer to see if you have the same problem.

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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          I just tried a test with some very interesting results here at this forum.

          This with Firefox.

          If I hit the refresh icon (the curved arrow) the browser hangs and takes a
          long time to refresh the page.

          But...

          If I hit the little right arrow to the right of the URL (serves same function
          as reloading when you think about it) the page loads instantly.

          I'm no techie, but could this be a bug in the reload function?

          I have tested this numerous times and each time I got the same results.
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          • Profile picture of the author Eric Reimers
            Have you tried using the Firefox Support Forum?

            Your answer could be right under your nose.


            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            I just tried a test with some very interesting results here at this forum.

            This with Firefox.

            If I hit the refresh icon (the curved arrow) the browser hangs and takes a
            long time to refresh the page.

            But...

            If I hit the little right arrow to the right of the URL (serves same function
            as reloading when you think about it) the page loads instantly.

            I'm no techie, but could this be a bug in the reload function?

            I have tested this numerous times and each time I got the same results.
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            • Profile picture of the author Omar Khafagy
              I personally think you've gotta have 'em all.

              If you're using Firefox to the exclusion of Internet Explorer, you are ignoring a freaking HUGE market. So get IE. I'm on a mac, but I still run windows just to make sure stuff looks right in IE.

              But Firefox is great for all the plugins it offers. There are also a whole lotta tweaks for Firefox... I personally have more than one Firefox installation, each with unique icons and interface, and each for a specific purpose. I use Safari as well... especially useful to see how your site will look for iPhone users, since the iPhone uses a variation of Safari.

              Get 'em all, imo. I'm right now in Firefox with roughly 30 tabs opened in just this window. I've got Windows running I.E., and I've got Safari open as well.

              (btw, the different instances of Firefox also come in handy if you set it up so that Google and other sites view each browser as belonging to different countries... this is useful when you want NON-LOCAL search results... I live in Canada, and like to see what Americans see when they google things..)
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  • Profile picture of the author ChristianM
    To be honest, if you're not a techie etc then it could be one of a number of things - I'm using either flock or ff on the wf and never have a problem so it is not a general problem with firefox. Your problem could just as easily be a virus or slight configuration error all I can say is that you should try uninstalling kaspersky and reinstalling and see what happens.

    Also to check addons it is Tools>Add-ons from the top menu bar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bishop81
    The first thing I would say is to upgrade to the latest version of Firefox. You can also try out IE8 beta and see how things go with that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lee MacRae
      I've had nothing but problems with Firefox with the last 2 upgrades. I've had problems loading pages and downloading files. I switched to Flock for downloading and used it for some other things but I keep going back to Firefox because of the plugins I use.
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        I use both browsers, Firefox and IE7, a lot and generally have both open with multiple tabs.

        I had some loading problems with Firefox at one point like you described. The problem was with the Java version I had installed. Updating it seemed to lessen the problem significantly. I still get occasional lock-ups because of heavy memory usage (why can't I have 50 tabs open?).

        IE6 is a security disaster and I recommend going to IE7 as long as your system is stable and spyware free. Upgrading when you have spyware and some other problematic software can cause problems with the upgrade but with a stable system I've not seen any problems with over 250 upgrades.
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  • Profile picture of the author Desmon G
    I have always been a firefox fan. Never had any problems after a year of use.
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  • Profile picture of the author ecis36
    Hello Steven,

    You can try uninstalling, and then reinstalling FF to try and clear up any bugs it may have. FF is such a great browser, I couldn't imagine giving it up. I've tried Chrome, and it's pretty smooth but it just doesn't allow for the customization the FF does with all the available plugins.
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  • Profile picture of the author e-mail2u
    Steve,

    I would say your problem is with Kaspersky and not firefox. The problem started when you installed Kaspersky, so before that i am going to assume firefox was running/loading correctly.

    I would also consider upgrading to firefox v3.
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    • Profile picture of the author W.P. Allen
      I use FF for the SEO plugin.

      Thinking of switching to Chrome for the cross-browser compatibility...

      And I use Kaspersky and have similar problems. Sometimes it won't let me log into sites like Clickbank and Shareasale (they won't load) so I have to turn it off first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stallion
    I don't like IE because every time I use it I end up getting spyware. Started using Firefox, never had that problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author LivingCovers
    I have IE7, Firefox and Google Chrome and i love firefox
    best. I have Avast installed and non has given any problems
    whatsoever.
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  • Profile picture of the author e-mail2u
    Steve,

    quick tech question how much ram has your P.C got. I looked into Kaspersky and it is a big ram eater. The reason i say this is because i took advantage of black Friday and upgraded my ram.

    apart from the whole vista design layout changing, the warrior forum loads (50x) faster than before.

    The whole point is if Kaspersky is draining your ram it will slow down how applications work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by e-mail2u View Post

      Steve,

      quick tech question how much ram has your P.C got. I looked into Kaspersky and it is a big ram eater. The reason i say this is because i took advantage of black Friday and upgraded my ram.

      apart from the whole vista design layout changing, the warrior forum loads (50x) faster than before.

      The whole point is if Kaspersky is draining your ram it will slow down how applications work.
      I have 3 gig of ram. I'm not a techie. but I think that should be enough
      considering that Kaspersky is probably the most resource intensive
      app I got going.

      I went to task man and right now my available ram is like 2.5 gig, so I
      really don't think memory is my problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    a) update FF. FF2.0 is OLD.

    I got FF3.04

    I know about this "suddenly stops" issue...and it was related to an add-on i had "fasterfox". When i set fasterfox to "turbo" eg. on ebay it could happen it just stopped loading.

    I dont have problems with it now...IE i only use for testing compability...i use FF exclusively.

    add: I got kaspersky too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      a) update FF. FF2.0 is OLD.

      I got FF3.04

      I know about this "suddenly stops" issue...and it was related to an add-on i had "fasterfox". When i set fasterfox to "turbo" eg. on ebay it could happen it just stopped loading.

      I dont have problems with it now...IE i only use for testing compability...i use FF exclusively.

      add: I got kaspersky too.
      George, the only addons I have are:

      Roboform
      Stumbleupon
      Talkback.

      That's it. I'm not a big addon freak.
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  • Profile picture of the author e-mail2u
    Steve,

    The reason i asked about memory is because it can use a lot up if you only had 512mb then ram could have been your problem.

    I was also looking at the reviews on download.com and they seem very mixed a lot of people complaining about how it slowed the P.C down including internet connection. In some cases making cable/dsl feel like dial up.

    This may or may not be your case. I don't use Kaspersky so i cannot really know your situation. Maybe another warrior who uses it could be of more help. I've never really trusted all in one applications, if one goes down it could effect the rest thats my view on them.

    Regards,
    Geoff
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by e-mail2u View Post

      Steve,

      The reason i asked about memory is because it can use a lot up if you only had 512mb then ram could have been your problem.

      I was also looking at the reviews on download.com and they seem very mixed a lot of people complaining about how it slowed the P.C down including internet connection. In some cases making cable/dsl feel like dial up.

      This may or may not be your case. I don't use Kaspersky so i cannot really know your situation. Maybe another warrior who uses it could be of more help. I've never really trusted all in one applications, if one goes down it could effect the rest thats my view on them.

      Regards,
      Geoff

      I thought it was an Internet slow down problem too, but it only happens
      with Firefox. IE loads like lightning on all sites no matter how loaded they
      are. So the problem is definitely something with Firefox.
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  • Profile picture of the author e-mail2u
    Steve,

    This May be of some help, it's from the Mozilla firefox support.

    Mozilla Support
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