Where are the BIG money discussions?

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Not to offend the smaller players, because I've been a small fish before.

But where are the big money discussions that dont revolve around selling courses or affiliate marketing?

For example, I spend about $600-$1000 a day on PPC. I have a local service company in New York and our average job is about $500, some lower some higher, but Average being the keyword. We do about 5-6 jobs a day from google and thats how the money flows.

For all you IM'ers, where is the big money? Stable and consistent large amounts of revenue.

Business is not rocket science, I can tell you first hand, majority of my competitors and friends in varying industries within new york who are far more successful than I am are not that savvy. They understand the scale of their business and they know how to turn a buck in that industry, thats all. Not to mention they understand the power of advertising.

Not to make this post too long, but I have seen those who understood the power of Google before their competitors and built companies in 2 years that took other companies 20 years to build with the yellow pages. For those of you who don't know, it used to cost $100K to run a full page color ad in YellowPages in NYC Metro, and that's just the start.

More specifically, where are the discussions about building companies that generate $20k+ a month consistently, solid companies.

Please, I hope this is not offending anyone, just wondering....
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    I'd like to see more of those discussions as well. It seems like they used to be more frequent here years ago.

    I guess the topics are a general reflection of the members on an open public forum. There are some big earners here but most of the members are still trying to figure out how to make enough to quit their job.

    However, you can find some really good posts if you sort the different forums by views and replies.

    Here's one I did back in 2008 when I had first crossed a million dollars with my Internet business: The Warrior Forum - Warrior Makes a Million Dollars

    Here's some other good ones:


    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...blueprint.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ures-like.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...you-doing.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ite-ideas.html
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

      I guess the topics are a general reflection of the members on an open public forum.
      That's it right there.

      Get yourself onto a closed, pay-for-play forum like Dennis Becker's "Earn 1K a Day" or Willie Crawfords "Internet Marketing Inner Circle," and you'll find a lot more of these discussions.

      Basic rule of thumb? Nobody pays $97 a month to be a jerk, and most people won't pay anything. After all, you can troll free forums all day long.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrrichsin
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        That's it right there.

        Get yourself onto a closed, pay-for-play forum like Dennis Becker's "Earn 1K a Day" or Willie Crawfords "Internet Marketing Inner Circle," and you'll find a lot more of these discussions.

        Basic rule of thumb? Nobody pays $97 a month to be a jerk, and most people won't pay anything. After all, you can troll free forums all day long.
        Hey, thanks, I didn't even know about these forums. Really appreciate that.
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      • Profile picture of the author theemperor
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        That's it right there.

        Get yourself onto a closed, pay-for-play forum like Dennis Becker's "Earn 1K a Day" or Willie Crawfords "Internet Marketing Inner Circle," and you'll find a lot more of these discussions.

        Basic rule of thumb? Nobody pays $97 a month to be a jerk, and most people won't pay anything. After all, you can troll free forums all day long.
        True!

        I'm in a monthly paid group and the kind of discussion over there is very different to Warrior in general. More action oriented, although people aren't talking $ amounts so much either. However being a private group I would feel more comfortable there saying I just did X and made $Y on it.

        I guess once you make a lot of money you don't need the Warrior Forum so much. I am glad there are some great alumni that come back to post though
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        • Profile picture of the author Bingo123
          Very interesting post. You know I'd never even really thought about a 'big money discussion' type post. I just kinda accepted what we get here on the warrior forum. I like your style. Thinking BIG! One of the keys to online success.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

      I'd like to see more of those discussions as well. It seems like they used to be more frequent here years ago.

      I guess the topics are a general reflection of the members on an open public forum. There are some big earners here but most of the members are still trying to figure out how to make enough to quit their job.

      However, you can find some really good posts if you sort the different forums by views and replies.

      Here's one I did back in 2008 when I had first crossed a million dollars with my Internet business: The Warrior Forum - Warrior Makes a Million Dollars

      Here's some other good ones:


      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...blueprint.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ures-like.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...you-doing.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ite-ideas.html
      These are all awesome threads. I remember all of them from the first time around except the first and I challenge anyone not to get a huge amount from them.

      As a side note. For anyone new to the forum (or even quite old for that matter) the old forum The Warrior Forum has a wealth of knowledge from some of the biggest names out there. That forum was from a time when guys like Mike Filsaime and John Reese were just regular players. You can learn a ton from reading the threads that got posted back then.

      The kind of discussion that happened back then was an order of magnitude more profitable than the stuff we get now.

      Sure I know it's "easier" to learn simple backlinking to rank long tail and bank off some cheap affiliate products. But if you want to really make it then you've got to go a step beyond that. The old forum was focused on creating a product and selling but that's not the only option. If you want to stick with stuff like SEO for Amazon there's still a wealth of advice just sitting there waiting for you to discover how to really scale up your business.

      The difference isn't in the exact route to wealth. The difference is in the mindset it engenders.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrrichsin
    Well, I must say, I am flattered to have you respond to my thread.

    Thanks, good reads there.

    I think there are some holes to the fundamentals of doing business in many of the threads. After reading your posts, it is clear to see the difference in approach.

    The get rich quick threads should be put into a different section because it dilutes the quality of many of the threads and warriors out here.

    That being said, I'm willing to put some advice out there that works for me. I am not a millionaire but I can see how to get there clearly in 6 months with my industry.

    So first of all, lets talk local.

    Most local businesses want phone calls, which take priority over email leads.
    (When you get a potential customer on the phone, you book 90% of them - the ones that dont book are usually just budget shoppers which doesn't hurt as bad)

    Where do these leads come from?

    PPC, Organic, Google Maps, Local Listings. This is 90% of your business here online. (The directories like citysearch and yelp don't bring in as much business as direct from google, not even close).

    Want to make money locally?

    Set up a website (some websites work better than others, drastically sometimes too)
    Start listing yourself to be found by how people search (Computer repair winter park or Computer Repair 33025).

    Little Money? No Problem.
    Just get it out there. Let it start building steam. Write some articles or do whatever you can do to juice it up.

    Focus on one type of service, set up a couple keywords, try to get your quality score high enough to show in the top 5. and set aside a monthly budget that you can afford to withstand.

    If you spend $800 a month, which is about 8 clicks at $5 a pop, 20 days a month. Thats approx 160 clicks.

    Lets say you do really mediocre, borderline horrible and get only 8 jobs, 1 job for every 20 clicks. And you make a modest $100 per sale and break even.

    Failure right? WRONG.

    You have 8 clients, who know you, who you can upsell, maintain, upgrade, etc etc et. (again this is for computer repair).

    Ok so its not this cut and dry, some areas are not as busy as others, but this can work for anything. Understand the basics of your business. Don't be scared to ask for money and don't be scared to spend it.

    Forget the 0-$10,000 in a week type of deals, yes, they may be floating around, but living your life as the exception and not the rule is stagnant. Live as the rule and make yourself the exception.

    Just trying to give back with the little that I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek S
    Heya CDarklock thanks for the post,

    I have been wishing for years that there was a forum for just successful marketers to get together. A Place where the forum has to actually look into your bank account or something lol

    When I have a question dealing with thousands of dollars on the line the last thing I want is a noob to just regurgitate what they think they heard, once some time ago, from a marketer... they cant remember the name of right now LOL

    Or get a response back that only slightly helps but is conveniently followed by a signature link pointing to a WSO that just so happens to provide the exact answer to the question you asked in the forum LOL

    Somedays I feel like there are only two types of people at this forum.

    1. People just trying to make their first buck

    and

    2. People just trying to advertise to the people wanting to make their first buck

    That is why I think it is important to find a internet marketing mastermind in your local area and actually meet up with people once a month.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Derek S View Post

      Somedays I feel like there are only two types of people at this forum.
      So do I, but I see it as "people trying to make a buck" and "people trying to make a difference." The former are just louder than the latter.
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      • Profile picture of the author freemen14
        I like the concept of a pay to discuss forum for more advanced discussions. I belong to a private weekend chat format which kind of has this model.

        One idea is for Allen to start some kind of private forum here on WF where you have to apply and be accepted in order to take part. Just a thought.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
          Some may simply not want to divulge their earnings or indeed how they go about earning it. However, I find that any discussion about big money ideas or businesses is generally good as it inspires ideas and action in people.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by freemen14 View Post

          I like the concept of a pay to discuss forum for more advanced discussions. I belong to a private weekend chat format which kind of has this model.

          One idea is for Allen to start some kind of private forum here on WF where you have to apply and be accepted in order to take part. Just a thought.
          If you read through the older posts, that was the original concept behind the War Room. Threads were moderated before they went live (still are, I believe).

          Then someone had the bright idea that, since their original post was mainly the content of their WSO, they'd give WR members access to the WSO. Made sense, saved bandwidth.

          Of course, no good deed goes unpunished. Someone else had the idea to put a squeeze page between the WR and the download. Soon, you had people throwing up crap created just for list-building in the War Room.

          Allen put the kibosh on that, but the emphasis on giving content away stayed and the discussions pretty much vanished. A typical thread now is an original post with a description and download link, followed by a bunch of 'thanks for the download' posts.

          As much as I appreciate the downloads when they relate to something I need, I miss the in-depth discussions in the older threads...
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Rodman
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      Originally Posted by Derek S View Post

      I have been wishing for years that there was a forum for just successful marketers to get together. A Place where the forum has to actually look into your bank account or something lol
      There are places like that. Perry Marshall's roundtable, Dan Kennedy's group, etc. When Stompernet was $800/month, you had people in there that participated in the forums that ran multi-million dollar businesses. A lot of e-commerce, but affiliate/CPA/info-products/service businesses...you name it.

      You gotta pay though. No need to look at the bank account.
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  • Profile picture of the author butch04
    There are people on here I'm sure with solid businesses. They might just not like to talk about it. Some do some don't.

    Like everyone else said though if you pay for something your more likely to find what your looking for in your case talks about some people doing some major business.
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  • Profile picture of the author lisaann
    I'd really like to know the answer to this question myself. Does Dennis Becker's "Earn 1K a Day" really have people who make 1K a day in it or is it just mostly people who want to earn that much? My guess is it's the latter.

    Would love to be involved in a membership with successful people helping each other get more successful. I've never found anything like this. It's usually people hoping to make their first $ because that's where the money in this business seems to be.

    Lisa
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by lisaann View Post

      Does Dennis Becker's "Earn 1K a Day" really have people who make 1K a day in it or is it just mostly people who want to earn that much?
      Yes and yes.

      Most people don't earn $1k a day. E1KaD is composed of people who want to. And many of them have succeeded, at least once or twice, some of them consistently.

      But you're right, most of the people there don't make over $365,000 a year. And if that's a good enough reason for you to snort and turn up your nose and walk away,

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      • Profile picture of the author lisaann
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Yes and yes.

        Most people don't earn $1k a day. E1KaD is composed of people who want to. And many of them have succeeded, at least once or twice, some of them consistently.

        But you're right, most of the people there don't make over $365,000 a year. And if that's a good enough reason for you to snort and turn up your nose and walk away,

        Sure didn't mean to offend you.

        The title of this post is 'where are the BIG money discussions?'.

        There's a big difference between the discussions covered by people who WANT to make money and those who already DO. This may offend you again, but I do try to help out in threads as best I can and have even started a few trying to outline my strategies. Many have found them at least a little helpful so I like doing it.

        But it would be nice to find a group of people like the original poster mentioned who have established businesses with a higher monthly revenue. It's only smart when you start reaching a higher level of success that you surround yourself with similar people because they'll help you grow.

        I've looked into Perry Marshall and Dan Kennedy's stuff before, but the travel doesn't work for me. But the ideas are great and thanks to the OP for starting the thread.

        All the best,

        Lisa
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by lisaann View Post

          There's a big difference between the discussions covered by people who WANT to make money and those who already DO.
          That also depends on your audience.

          When you're in a room full of IM gurus, you say something like "just ran green knight to squeeze and intro'd a JV for 78/12 conversion." And they go "Awesome, good job."

          You're wondering WTF that means, aren't you?

          When you're talking to someone who might not be familiar with these terms, you go slower.

          You say things like "There's a report out there called the Green Knight report - look it up, it's free - that explains how you can get more clicks on a PPC campaign by using a specific ad layout. I just ran a campaign with these layouts myself, and directed the traffic to a squeeze page - which converted at 78% - to get them on my list... and in the first email, I promoted a link to one of my joint ventures, which converted 12% of the new subscribers into customers."

          It's just like a seminar. You want the audience to greatly outnumber the speakers, and the speakers to be well ahead of the audience.

          And yeah, I got a little defensive. I love E1KaD. All of my success in IM has been a direct result of the relationships I've formed, and the earliest of those relationships were at E1KaD. It's only been in the last six months or so that I've cemented lasting, productive relationships here at WaFo, because it takes a long time to establish a reputation people actually respect.

          On E1KaD, I was family the moment I signed up. That's the difference in a paid forum. You've already proven that you care enough to pull out your wallet, at least, and that's more than most people. Even here, War Room membership is just a one-time payment, but handing over that $37 changes people's opinion of you entirely.
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        • Profile picture of the author REHughes
          Originally Posted by lisaann View Post

          Sure didn't mean to offend you.

          The title of this post is 'where are the BIG money discussions?'.

          There's a big difference between the discussions covered by people who WANT to make money and those who already DO. This may offend you again, but I do try to help out in threads as best I can and have even started a few trying to outline my strategies. Many have found them at least a little helpful so I like doing it.
          No offense here, Lisa
          And I apologize if I seemed to hijack the o/p's thread. It just seems that there are a few who think that if you are new you do not belong - that your posts are worthless and only take up valuable space that could otherwise be used by veterans having deeper discussions about how to go from say 500K to 1M per year.
          But, yet, I just left another thread with something like 60 posts at the moment of leaving that consisted of nothing but VETERAN forum members arguing over something not even marketing related.
          Just saying, it isn't always the newbies that cause the problems.
          For the most part, I enjoy my time in here and gain much insight from most of you. And I do see the ones that truly try to help, even in their own humorous ways!
          And I try to be of help if I am able.
          I just sometimes take offense at being LABELED!


          Originally Posted by lisaann View Post

          But it would be nice to find a group of people like the original poster mentioned who have established businesses with a higher monthly revenue. It's only smart when you start reaching a higher level of success that you surround yourself with similar people because they'll help you grow.

          All the best,

          Lisa

          Likewise. My main purpose for being here - to be around people with a higher level of learning. That is why I listen much more than I speak.

          Again, I apologize if I disrupted this thread.

          Robert
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        Oh my that's funny
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    Im confused?

    Jobs doing what?
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    As it was mentioned several times lately: this (main) forum became a kind of general technical support forum for all the web-illiterate ignorants.

    Partly, I blame ourselves for it - we should not answer those questions ever.
    Stop answering those questions, report those threads (hopefully, the mods would delete them) and we may end up with threads that are really about making money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Rodman
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    Originally Posted by mrrichsin View Post

    Not to offend the smaller players, because I've been a small fish before.

    But where are the big money discussions that dont revolve around selling courses or affiliate marketing?

    For example, I spend about $600-$1000 a day on PPC. I have a local service company in New York and our average job is about $500, some lower some higher, but Average being the keyword. We do about 5-6 jobs a day from google and thats how the money flows.

    For all you IM'ers, where is the big money? Stable and consistent large amounts of revenue.

    Business is not rocket science, I can tell you first hand, majority of my competitors and friends in varying industries within new york who are far more successful than I am are not that savvy. They understand the scale of their business and they know how to turn a buck in that industry, thats all. Not to mention they understand the power of advertising.

    Not to make this post too long, but I have seen those who understood the power of Google before their competitors and built companies in 2 years that took other companies 20 years to build with the yellow pages. For those of you who don't know, it used to cost $100K to run a full page color ad in YellowPages in NYC Metro, and that's just the start.

    More specifically, where are the discussions about building companies that generate $20k+ a month consistently, solid companies.

    Please, I hope this is not offending anyone, just wondering....
    Like others have said, it's in your best interest to get involved with mastermind groups with a higher entry fee. Perry Marshall's roundtable is one example...that costs around $6500.

    One of the issues with an forum like this is that people don't see the big picture. They view the internet as their business. People like yourself see the internet as another medium to get more business. That's why groups like Perry Marshall's might be helpful. They look at the entire sales funnel and how to optimize it.
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    • Profile picture of the author REHughes
      To some, I may seem IGNORANT!

      To some I may seem ILLITERATE! (although I can read and write)

      To others, I may just seem like someone who desires to do better for myself, and have fortunately found myself among a group of individuals, as varied as their skills as well as their characters may be, with a degree of knowledge far greater than mine, of whom I can call on for assistance from time to time, and in short order, I can honestly believe that one, if not many, of them will be there to cheerfully guide me along.

      In the words of the notable and distinguished pastor and writer Zig Ziglar( I think I read somewhere he was famous:rolleyes :

      You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want.

      Hmmmm...
      Guess my fate is in the hands of the jury on this one.

      Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
    Originally Posted by mrrichsin View Post

    More specifically, where are the discussions about building companies that generate $20k+ a month consistently, solid companies.

    Please, I hope this is not offending anyone, just wondering....
    I just unsubscribed and took a break from StomperNet ($200.00/mo). In comparing the two, there is a MUCH higher signal to noise ratio there ... to the point that I'm not sure that there is any noise there.

    That said, I'm finding value here, but it is a lot harder to find. My thought is it is a matter of mindset. Until someone has made $20K+/month and had to work through the problems of getting there, gut level understanding is just not there.

    Gary Halbert made a great point when someone was talking about how his boat looked really fast. He took this person out on the boat, had them crouch down, hold on, get ready to scream, and then opened the throttle. The boat was in the air as much as it was in the water .

    His passenger held on for dear life. Gary's comment ... NOW, you know.

    Talk will never take the place of experience.

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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    There are a few private forums that people pay to be part of - I've been a member and owner of these in the past.

    Once you get your business sorted and know who you can trust you end up just talking direct to the people you know rather than via the forums.

    When other people control the forum or who can join the group - you almost always get people who you don't trust so I no longer take part in any of these.

    You do actually get big money advice here but it's lost in the noise and when you tell it to people with limited mindsets they ignore it to follow 'free' methods anyway.

    Like anything - demand affects supply and most people that come here want everything for free so that determines what dominates the threads.

    As the OP said - even if you started a thread for this it would quickly fill with people BSing, posturing and saying what they heard rather than just actual experience based responses.

    Welcome to the forum though - it's nice to see someone thinking big.

    Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Many successful marketers use the Warrior Forum to further their success. It is a recruitment station for them... a great place to find new customers that are in search of basic IM training.

    I often get emails asking the same as the OP and am happy to recommend places like the ones that CD shared. I always thought that a thread like this would be zapped if it were posted here. I'm glad to see that this survived... so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Flipfilter
    I'm a member at Experienced People and whilst the community is small, it's generally the kind of discussion I think you're looking for.

    It's mostly focussed on buying and selling internet businesses, but It's a free forum that's heavily moderated to keep out spammers and idiots, and many of the members have run successful offline businesses, in addition to their current online ones.

    Hope this helps

    Justin
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