Would You Pay Frank Kern $8K For 8 Weeks Of Coaching?

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Hey there guys,

I just got off the phone with one of Franks buddies who was giving me a free strategy session for my online business and how to scale things up. He delivered some awesome, meaty value and really gave me some good insights.

But obviously there was a sales pitch at the end, which was incredibly low pressure, where he asked if I wanted to pay $8,000 for an 8 week group coaching session where he would personally help me scale my business up.

Honestly, I was very intrigued with this offer because the chance to work with Frank Kern is always rock solid but first off I really didn't like the idea of the group coaching session. I would want some 1 on 1 for $8K, ya know? And second, I just flat out don't have $8K I can drop on something like that.

So, my question to everyone is "What Would You Do?" Would you take the offer and join the coaching group or would you pass like I did?

Lemme know your thoughts...

Talk soon,
Matthew Neer
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  • Profile picture of the author Headfirst
    Its all about what you're going to get out of it. I think Dan Kennedy charges $8k for one day of coaching.
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  • Profile picture of the author daangertenaar
    I wouldn't do it, just because it's Frank, doesn't mean you cannot learn it? I mean, Frank is big, but not because he bought 8k $ courses.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeromyS
      Originally Posted by daangertenaar View Post

      I wouldn't do it, just because it's Frank, doesn't mean you cannot learn it? I mean, Frank is big, but not because he bought 8k $ courses.
      I would agree with this. Guys like Frank Kern make their fortune, in a large part, by selling these 'exclusive' courses and training promises. Truth is you probably will find much of what is learned, can be done so right here on this forum!

      Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
        Originally Posted by JeromyS View Post

        Truth is you probably will find much of what is learned, can be done so right here on this forum!
        That statement is mind boggling with how wrong it is.

        Something that might help better explain my comment is to take a look at one of Gary Halbert's newsletters:

        Go Do What I Teach And Get Rich!

        Here's a little story that illustrates the difference between "intellectual" knowing and knowing knowing. A few days ago I got a call from Ben Suarez and it reminded me of what happened once when he was visiting me in L.A. We were in my boat in Marina Del Rey and slowly making our way out to the open ocean. The boat was a 23 foot center console Mako with two 115 horsepower Evinrudes clamped to the stern. Anyway, as we were sedately chugging along, Ben remarked he "knew" this boat was fast. I challenged him on that. I told him he only had a bull**** intellectual idea the boat was fast, that he really didn't know it at all. Ben said he didn't understand. I told him not to worry, soon enough I would make my point.

        Well, we get about a mile out into the Pacific Ocean and I stop the boat. "Hang on to the rail by the console," I tell Ben. "And bend your knees. And open your mouth as though you were getting ready to scream."

        He was getting ready to scream, he just didn't know it yet. So... I looked over at Ben to make sure he was all set and then I floored that sucker. Wheoo! That boat leaped forward like a big-assed bird trying to outrace a shotgun blast. We ploughed through the waves like a freight train gone wild. The wind from the slip stream tightened back the skin on our faces and made our eyeballs bulge. The ocean spray lashed out at us like a spurned lover from hell. Part of the time we were actually airborne, clear out of the water! We were slamming, sloughing, leaping and Bengieballs was screaming for all he was worth...

        "Oh Lord! Oh Jesus! Oh ****!
        Holy Mary! Oh My God!
        Oh My God! Oh My God...
        This Boat Is Fast!"

        And then he knew. Really knew.

        And it's that difference, the difference between "intellectually" knowing and really knowing that can save your life... or make you rich.


        Marvin
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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by Marvin Johnston View Post

          Something that might help better explain my comment is to take a look at one of Gary Halbert's newsletters:

          Go Do What I Teach And Get Rich!

          Marvin
          I heard the exact same story the other day from a tv celebrity - I guess several people have done the same thing with their speed boats

          Seriously though - Frank's now dropped by and said what the situation is so I'm not sure why people are still talking like we don't know if it's him or not delivering the coaching.

          This stuff should be really simple.

          Value is in the eye of the beholder. Whatever Frank, Kevin or anyone else shows you, tells you or provides you - it's still YOUR responsibility to make your success a reality.

          If you know your main hurdle to moving forward is something Frank or Kevin can help with then paying $8k is like saying "do you want to swap $8k now for $500k longer term?" - it's like PPC, sure spending $8k on PPC might sound like a lot - but if you knew you could make $5 for every $1 spend then it just becomes a no-brainer.

          If you don't actually have a business and want to start one by trying to buy Franks list then maybe you'll be disappointed in having him give you business advice.

          The point is - it's not his job to make you successful and different people will get different value from coaching by different people.

          I don't think anyone here is naive enough to think that working with a successful person wouldn't be useful to most people, but if you've never made any real money and don't have a business to speak of then this is all an unknown quantity and you'd be crazy to spend money you don't have on something you don't understand or know will make a difference.

          There are plenty of things anyone can do to help their business today for free regardless of their business, so the only reason to go elsewhere for help is when you know what type of help will make the difference.

          Way too many IMers expect others to make them successful - even to tell them what their business should be.

          For me you could replace Frank's name with anyone on the planet and it wouldn't make any difference. If I thought a particular offer from someone would make a huge difference to me then I'd take it - the only thing to stop me would be if I didn't respect/trust the person, which is not the case with Frank.

          It's a personal choice and only YOU know whether it makes sense to you or not. It's irrelevant if/why someone else would not do it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    $8000 is incredibly cheap for 8 weeks, considering what and who would you have access to...
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    • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

      $8000 is incredibly cheap for 8 weeks, considering what and who would you have access to...
      So Steve, post your phone number so Frank's "buddy" can give you a call. Then report back to us when you've spent the $8 grand.
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  • Profile picture of the author wanna-succeed
    For 8k $ the only coaching I would take would be from god himself.
    I don't meant to be rude or dismissive of Frank Kern or anyone else at that matter, I just know there are countless success stories of people starting from scratch. If you spend 8k, who is to say this program works for you?
    You might find it different than what you expected, or worse, not live up to your expectations.
    That's just me. Maybe it's because I am taking a free course that has really taught my a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author NateRivers
      Originally Posted by wanna-succeed View Post

      For 8k $ the only coaching I would take would be from god himself.
      I don't meant to be rude or dismissive of Frank Kern or anyone else at that matter, I just know there are countless success stories of people starting from scratch. If you spend 8k, who is to say this program works for you?
      You might find it different than what you expected, or worse, not live up to your expectations.
      That's just me. Maybe it's because I am taking a free course that has really taught my a lot.
      I tend to agree with this guy.

      But... it really depends on what you have going. If, from the advice they already gave you, you could see it being actually worth more than $8,000.... hand them your money.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by NateRivers View Post

        I tend to agree with this guy.

        But... it really depends on what you have going. If, from the advice they already gave you, you could see it being actually worth more than $8,000.... hand them your money.
        Exactly, you have to be a right fit for the coaching program and be in a position to actually benefit from it. This is not a "one size fits all" type of program, and it is tailored for a very specific type of person. You're either right for it or you aren't - there's not going to be any ambiguity here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
    Those things generally work for people who can afford it.

    What if the coaching session makes it clear you need to spend $20K a month on adverstising to take your business to the level you want, as an example.

    What then?

    Here's an idea...keep your credit card in your wallet until you can afford to pay cash for the coaching out of the earnings you make online.

    ~Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author paul wolfe
    You answered your own question - you don't have 8K to drop, therefore don't stretch yourself for something that may or may not pay back the investment.

    Plus 8K for Group Coaching is a big price - if you're in a group dynamic how could you guarantee that you were all on the same page and therefore all benefitted equally? So the coaching is likely to be generic - if you are going to lay out that sum on coaching my advice would be to find someone who's willing to take some time and invest in learning about you and applying strategies that are specifically tailored to your situation and your success.

    I'd say thanks, but no thanks.


    Paul
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    • Yip, unless you are really well off, I'd just keep prodding along and try to learn it myself. There are guides on this site for free in the War room that will get you to where you want to go if you give it enough time.
      8K for an 8 week GROUP session!!! I wonder where the majority of these online gurus income comes from? Online activity or offline coaching?
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    It would really depend on the information I would be given access to
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  • Profile picture of the author TelexTape
    These are the questions running though my head:

    How much actual time do you get for the 8K? 1 hr a week?
    Is his coaching going to make you get off your ass and actually do something?
    How quickly could you recoup the 8K?
    How many others are in the group? A small amount not be too bad but I'm thinking more than 3 or 4 and you won't get enough personal attention.

    To answer your question, no I wouldn't coz I'm a tightwad and I'm just not at that stage yet where I could handle what I was taught.
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  • Profile picture of the author SirHarrrison
    Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

    Hey there guys,

    I just got off the phone with one of Franks buddies who was giving me a free strategy session for my online business and how to scale things up. He delivered some awesome, meaty value and really gave me some good insights.

    But obviously there was a sales pitch at the end, which was incredibly low pressure, where he asked if I wanted to pay $8,000 for an 8 week group coaching session where he would personally help me scale my business up.

    Honestly, I was very intrigued with this offer because the chance to work with Frank Kern is always rock solid but first off I really didn't like the idea of the group coaching session. I would want some 1 on 1 for $8K, ya know? And second, I just flat out don't have $8K I can drop on something like that.

    So, my question to everyone is "What Would You Do?" Would you take the offer and join the coaching group or would you pass like I did?

    Lemme know your thoughts...

    Talk soon,
    Matthew Neer
    I would never invest that much money on intellectual property.
    It seems outrageous and how do you know he is giving you everything of value and how do you know it will work for you?
    The course might not be "for you"

    You need something that tailors to your way of learning and selling.
    Don't leap to "buy his ****" that is what he says alot.
    I watched one of his videos and he gives you nothing but bull.

    do some serious research and then maybe go get a loan for 8 grande if you really love Frank Kern.
    It's not like he is going to be over your shoulder the whole time either. if you get stuck you are ****ed out of 8K.

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
      Originally Posted by SirHarrrison View Post

      I would never invest that much money on intellectual property.
      It seems outrageous and how do you know he is giving you everything of value and how do you know it will work for you?
      The course might not be "for you"

      You need something that tailors to your way of learning and selling.
      Don't leap to "buy his ****" that is what he says alot.
      I watched one of his videos and he gives you nothing but bull.

      do some serious research and then maybe go get a loan for 8 grande if you really love Frank Kern.
      It's not like he is going to be over your shoulder the whole time either. if you get stuck you are ****ed out of 8K.
      Wow, so much wrong with this post from a business perspective .

      But it all boils down to some basic business principles. This includes doing something as a hobby or a business. If doing it as a business, the decision comes down to deciding if the information will help build the business.

      If a hobby, ... well, then your post is appropriate.

      Marvin

      PS - You seem to be defining IP as education, and as such, college would be a waste of time?
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      • Profile picture of the author SirHarrrison
        Originally Posted by Marvin Johnston View Post

        Wow, so much wrong with this post from a business perspective .

        But it all boils down to some basic business principles. This includes doing something as a hobby or a business. If doing it as a business, the decision comes down to deciding if the information will help build the business.

        If a hobby, ... well, then your post is appropriate.

        Marvin

        PS - You seem to be defining IP as education, and as such, college would be a waste of time?
        I don't consider IM my business. I call it a part time job though. It pays the bills and covers my expenses.
        I think people like Frank Kern are a waste of time and money that's all.

        And as far as your PS I don't understand what you mean.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
          Originally Posted by SirHarrrison View Post

          I don't consider IM my business. I call it a part time job though. It pays the bills and covers my expenses.
          I think people like Frank Kern are a waste of time and money that's all.

          And as far as your PS I don't understand what you mean.
          My point in the first place was that in deciding to buy anything with respect to a business, it needs to be justified rather than just brushed aside.

          Frank Kern could well be a waste of your time depending on your business. For people in the IM field wanting to go up to the next levels, his coaching could be invaluable.

          The poster I was responding to said that he would never spend that much ($8K) on intellectual property (IP.) The PS merely states using the logic of defining education as IP (as he seems to be doing), and since college is basically education, college is a waste of money. I disagree .

          Marvin
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Matthew,

        First off, (according to what you wrote) it's not coaching from Frank Kern - it's his buddy.

        How successful is his buddy at IM? Can he show you his websites (and prove they are his)?

        How generic was his "awesome" advice? In a couple of days I could train a halfway intelligent person to give "awesome" generic advice on a targeted topic.

        How was the figure of $8k arrived at? Was that quoted upfront or did the guy do some fishing about your financial situation before he quoted you?

        I'm not saying don't do it ($8k for really good business coaching is cheap), I just think you should consider what I've written and, if you have any misgivings, give it a miss.


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    • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
      Originally Posted by SirHarrrison View Post

      I would never invest that much money on intellectual property.
      In 1993 I paid $8,000 (including travel and hotel) to attend a Jay Abraham 3-day bootcamp and get some 70+ hours of audio cassette tapes - 30 hours of the bootcamp itself and 40 hours of his protege course.

      It has been the single best thing I ever did for my business during the 40 years I have been self-employed. What I learned there paid me back that $8,000+ in extra sales every few weeks for the past 18 years!

      Sometimes you have to bite the bullet to get the real, useful, information.

      That $8,000 in today's dollars would be almost $20,000.

      :-Don
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  • Profile picture of the author PHPGator
    Frank Kern is a guru, he knows his stuff. But honestly, I think you can just read and test some avenues out and the education you would get from trial and error with the 8K price tag would probably be far more beneficial.
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    • Profile picture of the author SirHarrrison
      Originally Posted by PHPGator View Post

      Frank Kern is a guru, he knows his stuff. But honestly, I think you can just read and test some avenues out and the education you would get from trial and error with the 8K price tag would probably be far more beneficial.
      I don't trust the word "guru"

      I can say i'm a guru at making pasta does that mean you should pay me 8k to make you a bowl of spaghetti? probably not.

      Frank Kern is a rich piece of ****. He over rates his information and makes bank off it. sure it might work in some manner, but to what degree and what type of methods does he use.
      I'm not asking for his secrets here, There are only two methods for marketing basically... Organic and paid.
      Then what does he do when it comes to the landing page and such?
      It isn't difficult to develop a effective landing page.

      Google that ****. it's trial and error. Frank Kern is like 30yrs old or something how do you think he got where he is... trial and error. It probably took some time for him to get there too. Just try different stuff.

      Don't take His stuff as a promise that it will work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
    I personally wouldn't spend $8k on coaching from Frank Kern.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    If I would have personal access to Frank and could afford that amount to invest in coaching, then hell yes I would.
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    I wouldn't pay anyone like that to mow my lawn or wash my car, let alone what was offered the OP.
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  • I think it depends on if Frank Kern knows what you want to learn, and if Frank Kern is living the life you would like to live.

    Well, people pay $40,000 for college for their children and they don't learn much there... Compared to that, $8,000 is nothing special...
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    my strategy..Pay half you earn to learn.. Enjoy life with the other half
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
    No. Effing. Way.

    Go buy a copy of The Millionaire Fastlane instead. Everything you need to know is in that book.
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      Is "Frank's buddy" essentially just a glorified telemarketer making $10/hr working out of some dodgy call center?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think there's a chance you were talking to a telemarketing group that calls buyers after a sale and offer them a "special coaching" program. They use the marketer's name because that's where they get your info and the marketer gets a percentage of any sales they make.

      Did they specifically and clearly state you would be personally coached BY Frank - or did they use the word "he"? Did you call them - or did they call you?

      If you don't have a spare $8k to toss - don't even think about it. If you are seriously considering spending that much money - make certain you aren't "assuming" what the person means.

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      • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
        I'm a fan of good coaching programs and have been in some excellent ones. Do this every year to help get to new levels - with biz and personal life issues

        As others have said: see what's involved. Get a proposal or agenda that lists what and who you get: resources / tools, etc. And seek a trial period and / or payments, if that makes you more comfortable, to make sure you like what you get and also find it beneficial.

        Some issues to watch:

        - who the coach is, as Kay mentioned.

        - how you are coached (i.e. some tech platforms are excellent; others are awful).

        - access to resources / tools (similar to the above: some places offer super long videos you can't download or pause / stop, and who has time for that?)

        - goals: set some goals for yourself first (what do you want to get out of the program?) This would be an investment, so what ROI would you like? How would you evaluate your work together to make sure you were getting value? Ask yourself things like this.

        - milestones (be proactive & set up check points each week to make sure you print out any materials you can and place them in a 3-ring binder, use them, meet your goals, etc.)

        - compare other coaching programs with what's offered here. Example: some that go for $10,000 - $25,000 include tickets at Internet marketing events, networking and JVs with people who are already making 6-figures, a package of print materials, DVDs of past events, etc.

        - coaching testimonials / experience in what you want to learn - are there testimonials from others who have been in the coaching program before, learning what you'd like to learn? Don't be afraid to ask for references.

        - what are alternative packages available? There may be other options that fit your plans, time and budget now. Then consider this later.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Did they specifically and clearly state you would be personally coached BY Frank - or did they use the word "he"? Did you call them - or did they call you?
        Sounds like it might be this mob here: » Jeremy Johnson iWorks Frank Kern

        Then again it could be legit.
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    • Profile picture of the author sonic74
      It's not about a guru, a big name in IM,that will teach some technicques !

      I think it's about how much you trust this guy.

      Do you bought any product of this guy in the past, and help you with your business ?

      Will you personally help you to build a list or create your product ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I think in your position I would have done what you did.

    There are many types of coaching and I think the details of what's being offered/promised and what is the realistic outcome would make all the difference to the true value.

    Just saying would I pay $8k for some group time with someone doesn't really mean anything. I'm sure there are some Frank worshippers who would pay that just to spend time with him (if that was offered).

    I've met him and he's just a normal guy - the value is completely dependant on how the details of the offer relate to you and your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Norton
    The main thing you have to look at is the connections you get for 8k!

    In this business (and loads of others) the connections are what make or break you, ok you can go at it alone but if your chasing that big money and want the big paychecks you need the help and support of others. Be it just in the form of encouragement and someone to turn to if you need help or advice, or on the other end of things for them to put out a promotion for you and earn you some money.

    So in this case your getting the help and they will remember who you are and unless your already one of their bigger affiliates who have earnt then some nice money it really is going to be this that makes that difference.

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  • Profile picture of the author Palusko
    8K - that's a lot of outsourced articles, bookmarking, backlinks etc. you could use to scale up your business...
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    • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
      Originally Posted by Palusko View Post

      8K - that's a lot of outsourced articles, bookmarking, backlinks etc. you could use to scale up your business...
      I agree exactly. Want to ramp up, upgrade your content and seo.
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      • Profile picture of the author HammerFist
        Nope.

        As above: If you haven't been able to prove positive ROI out of a cheap purchase/expenditure and you're going to miss the money if you don't make it back, then don't spend it on this.
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        • Profile picture of the author balara
          Assuming that the offer is genuine, before you accept it, you need to define what your expectations are from this group coaching. For example, do you expect to learn something that will help you make money from your internet business?
          Are you going to be taught anything? Or are you going to be listening to vague ideas about how the "guru" made his fortune, ideas which may not be relevant in 2011.

          There is a HUGE difference between coaching and teaching. Unless the "coach" knows how to teach and is prepared to put the effort into teaching you what you need to know, there's a pretty good chance that you would be throwing $8K away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Rodman
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    If you haven't bought Mass Control, implemented it, and made money then I think that's your answer right there.

    Most people think that to get to the next level, they just need to buy something expensive. When in reality, if you can't make a positive ROI on a $97 product, you're not ready for anything more expensive.
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    I thought it would be useful for you to read through this thread before making a decision. At the end of the day, no one except you can make a wise, informed decision because no one will know about you and your business better than yourself.


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  • Profile picture of the author espresso
    No
    Mainly cause i dont have 8k

    I wouldnt pay over 500 for any training over the internet
    I can get a HND in online marketing for 2.000€
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  • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
    I'm sure he has great things to say, but by the same token I'm guessing there will be a lot more than $8k associated with this venture because if Frank is giving you his real strategies, they sure as hell aren't all going to be free. This is sort of "go big or go home" where just scraping together the 8K probably won't get you a whole lot.

    I know others here disagree, but I wouldn't pay that much for coaching personally, I think if you have the mindset to succeed in IM then you also can teach yourself most of what you need to know without dropping thousands of dollars.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
      Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

      I know others here disagree, but I wouldn't pay that much for coaching personally, I think if you have the mindset to succeed in IM then you also can teach yourself most of what you need to know without dropping thousands of dollars.
      I think it is more a matter of you don't know what you don't know (royal "you".) And having someone who has been there, done that, provide their experience to shave years off of ours.

      BTW, for the few people who consider Frank Kern a spammer and therefore not worth the time of day, Allen Says, owner of WF, has said somewhere that he first promoted the WF by spamming. He also says he wouldn't do that again .

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  • Profile picture of the author John Alves
    I don't think I would. I like the advice and content that he has put out in the marketplace. However, his free content is valuable enough. Take advantage of what he has already given out.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Have heard people say they are successful today because of what they learned from Perry Marshall, Glenn Livingston, Terry Dean, Paul Myers, Brad Grosse, Andy Henry & many others, just to name a few... (many in this very forum!) I may live in a cave, he is obviously very successful, however, for some reason I have never heard anyone tout his teaching abilities. So I guess that means, I have no idea. Lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
    For $8K, I would definitely pass. You could buy a heck of a lot of training courses (and coaching with extremely successful, but less well-known Internet marketers) for that amount of cash.

    Seriously... what kind of "secrets" is he going let you in on? That you should build a list or create your own info products?

    The big secret is that there are no secrets.

    You owe me 8 grand.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
    Anyone who is worried about 8K is not the target audience for this offer. Plain and simple.

    Frank is more concerned with helping people make 6, 7 and 8 figures a year with this program, not those who are trying to justify whether or not they can afford $8000, or those still trying to flip ebooks for $27.

    The people who take this program often already have businesses that are killing it. To them, getting a slight increase in profits is worth way more than the entry fee.

    I've personally met many of his private mastermind folks and they are people who are CRUSHING it. $8000 is not even an issue to the majority of these people.

    Here's a better question to ask...

    "Would you trade $8,000 for $80,000?"
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

      I've personally met many of his private mastermind folks and they are people who are CRUSHING it. $8000 is not even an issue to the majority of these people.

      Here's a better question to ask...

      "Would you trade $8,000 for $80,000?"
      Jamo is a great example of Frank's work. I remember Jamo when he got started. He got in with the 30 day challenge and worked his butt off.

      He stuck to Frank like a leach.

      And today, Jason lives the kind of life he wants.

      Jason doesn't like working hard - just enough. He's smart as heck.

      And one of the smartest things he did was hang with Frank.

      8K to work with Frank?

      Well, people paid 10K to attend his Serializer seminar.

      I didn't hear any complaints back then.

      If you don't have the money - fine. But don't put down the people who do.

      Kern is a very sharp guy.

      If you've got the bucks, do it.

      Peace,

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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
        Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

        Jamo is a great example of Frank's work. I remember Jamo when he got started. He got in with the 30 day challenge and worked his butt off.

        He stuck to Frank like a leach.

        And today, Jason lives the kind of life he wants.

        Jason doesn't like working hard - just enough. He's smart as heck.

        And one of the smartest things he did was hang with Frank.

        8K to work with Frank?

        Well, people paid 10K to attend his Serializer seminar.

        I didn't hear any complaints back then.

        If you don't have the money - fine. But don't put down the people who do.

        Kern is a very sharp guy.

        If you've got the bucks, do it.

        Peace,

        Harlan

        I owe a whole lot of my success to Frank. And I'm eternally grateful for his generosity and friendship. I've definitely had a HUGE advantage by having him by my side.

        However, something that not many people know is that I sent Ed well over $25,000 my first year in IM while most of the Underachievers were only paying $300 a month. Do you think just maybe that had something to do with my accelerated success in IM?

        If I had to turn back the clock, I'd do it all over again.

        Those investments set me up for life.
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        • Profile picture of the author Harlan
          Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

          However, something that not many people know is that I sent Ed well over $25,000 my first year in IM while most of the Underachievers were only paying $300 a month. Do you think just maybe that had something to do with my accelerated success in IM?

          If I had to turn back the clock, I'd do it all over again.

          Those investments set me up for life.
          I did not know that.

          Good for you.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

          I owe a whole lot of my success to Frank.
          I owe a whole lot of mine to him, too... and I've barely paid him anything.

          I've discussed this with another well-known Warrior (whom I won't name) who says he'll never buy any of Frank Kern's products, because Frank gives away all his best stuff for free.

          I sort of look at this and imagine only ever buying "Greatest Hits" albums.

          Some of my favourite songs aren't on the greatest hits. If all I got was greatest hits albums, I'd never hear those songs.

          I'm really very glad Frank gives all his best stuff away for free. But by definition, your best stuff is a tiny minority of all your stuff.

          $8k seems like it's a pretty small investment to get more of that stuff.
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          • Profile picture of the author goindeep
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            I owe a whole lot of mine to him, too... and I've barely paid him anything.

            I've discussed this with another well-known Warrior (whom I won't name) who says he'll never buy any of Frank Kern's products, because Frank gives away all his best stuff for free.
            This is exactly what i mean!

            Just copy them. Its easy. its called modelling or some bull**** like that, but the main thing is that it works.
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            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

              This is exactly what i mean!

              Just copy them. Its easy. its called modelling or some bull**** like that, but the main thing is that it works.
              Exactly, you can learn a lot from a person by observing what he says and does, the best marketers will do this anyway - they practice what they preach, and Frank certainly does that!

              So just by observing what he does on product launches and paying attention to the stuff he gives away for free, you could derive a lot of value from just that alone.

              Whether or not you spring for a mastermind/coaching sessions is entirely going to depend on where you currently are in your business, and whether you're positioned correctly to be able to benefit from such coaching. I really like the fact that Frank doesn't just sign up any average Joe who wants to get in on one of his high-level programs, it seems that he thoroughly vets and analyzes everyone before approving them.

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      • Profile picture of the author Donna Hamer
        The question really is - can you afford it and are you prepared to do whatever he shares with you to implement it? If you are spending that kind of money you would definitely want to take immediate action.

        And yes, Jason Moffat is a classic example of someone who followed his process and reaped the rewards, oh and don't forget his cousin Trey - both those guys are making their marks on the internet.

        Frank has an explosive personality and I am sure that does make a huge difference to his success, but if everyone was the same as Frank Kern - it would be a boring world wouldn't it!!

        Only you can decide if its right for you or not - but if you want to get in his good books I know he really likes Tim Tams and Berocca's.
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      • Profile picture of the author docmatt
        $8,000 for 8 weeks with Frank in a group setting? Not a bad idea, but how about you counter-offer with Dan Kennedy style-rates-

        Offer $8,000 for 1 day with Frank-

        And then, Pick the living pus out of his brain for 8 hours; buy him whatever the hell he wants to eat and drink, no matter how repugnant, foreign, or against your normal American sense of decency it is; rent him whatever frickin movies he has an itchin to expose himself to, no matter how sordid, tame, or lame; take him to a Padres game and you better as hell make sure there aren't any posts, poles, or exceptionally large people blocking his view; hell, take him back to Nazawa in L.A. and let him start a food fight in the Nazi's lair if that's what he wants! (I have been there and I pissed off the Nazi by asking for Tako when it wasn't on the menu!) Criminy, if nothing else, take him to get his hair cut if he wants to (hell even pay for a perm if that's what he wants!) Just get access to him!!

        And then, after your day is over, promise to never bother him about anything again-

        THAT is the way to do it my friend- ;^)


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      • Profile picture of the author LCNSac
        I had the same call today, lasted an hour, and the pitchman was the best I've ever heard. It's easy to get mesmerized with the smooth patter until you realize that the one hour call is exactly what the course intends to teach you-- how to sell big ticket items to quality prospects.

        I passed on it, because I'm not ready. I'm still very new and learning how to market my specialized services online to a very longtail niche. When I get that down I might be ready for a course like this. Regardless, I learned a lot from the call. There are free nuggets all over and as one who has been at sales and marketing for close to four decades, not much except the media has changed, and most of these gurus are expert at recycling proven concepts into a revised metric and calling it revolutionary.

        Kern is a good marketer and for one for whom the fit is right, I'm sure much could be gained from the course. For now I'm enjoying WF and have learned much from just lurking and reading. Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Jeffels
        "Would you trade $8,000 for $80,000?"

        My point exactly.


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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by Bill Jeffels View Post

          "Would you trade $8,000 for $80,000?"

          My point exactly.


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          Exactly, instead of focusing on the cost, focus on the ROI instead. Furthermore, it has been stressed again and again that this coaching program isn't for the average Joe; having an online business that is already somewhat successful is one of the prerequisites to joining this program.
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      • Profile picture of the author CASNET
        Seems like a nice enough guy. But I wouldn't do it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevinnations
          Wow!

          As someone who has stayed profitably under the radar for several years, I can attest that if one just reads this post from beginning to end, that in itself will be a huge revelation into the mindset of a great cross-section of the market.

          Frank has already weighed in on the offer itself, but I wanted to offer my thanks to each and to all of you who responded to this post. It was incredibly eye-opening to me.

          And if you are debating something, let this thread be a reminder that whether you decide to move forward or pull back on any opportunity, you're gonna have lots of support AND lots of resistance.

          This thread was one of the greatest research tools I've read in months..

          Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author TrekkieGrrrl
        At this point in my business, no, I would not invest that kind of money in a coaching program.

        Why? Well, because I feel I have a ways to go before I am at the level where I could fully benefit from that level of training/coaching.

        I am still at the point where buying $20 books from Barnes and Noble or a $37 WSO gives me more information than I can possibly implement without some learning curves. I buy something, implement it, get comfortable with it, and then might look for a way to make it better/learn more.

        For me, taking an $8000 course would be like giving a Ferrari to a toddler. Yeah, the kid might think it's awesome, but there's no way he'd be able to get his money's worth from it. He hasn't even mastered a tricycle yet.

        And that is JMHO. YMMV.

        And I am quite open to hearing opposing views. I am a novice. I could very easily be wrong. It happens.
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        • Profile picture of the author Talha Ahmed
          Originally Posted by TrekkieGrrrl View Post

          At this point in my business, no, I would not invest that kind of money in a coaching program.

          Why? Well, because I feel I have a ways to go before I am at the level where I could fully benefit from that level of training/coaching.

          I am still at the point where buying $20 books from Barnes and Noble or a $37 WSO gives me more information than I can possibly implement without some learning curves. I buy something, implement it, get comfortable with it, and then might look for a way to make it better/learn more.

          For me, taking an $8000 course would be like giving a Ferrari to a toddler. Yeah, the kid might think it's awesome, but there's no way he'd be able to get his money's worth from it. He hasn't even mastered a tricycle yet.

          And that is JMHO. YMMV.

          And I am quite open to hearing opposing views. I am a novice. I could very easily be wrong. It happens.
          I appreciate your way of thinking
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
    Don't get me wrong -- I like Frank. I really do.

    But I've always felt that his greatest asset is his charisma. And I'm not sure you can teach that.

    And I say this despite the fact that Frank and I are close personal friends.

    Well... OK... I've never actually met him, but he sent me a letter with money ($1) stapled to the top of it. So he MUST consider me to be a good friend, right?

    I mean, it's not as if he's gonna send money to THOUSANDS of strangers or something.

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    • Profile picture of the author The Bad Blogger
      Well, if I have the money, I would ask what sort of coaching is that... I mean izzit for beginner, advance or professional players... I mean I doesn't want to go there... learning along side people who are in a different stage because since it's just a small group of people...
      And I want to know what's the end result after the coaching... it doesn't mean, there's Frank Kern, it might be good... because what if... it's good but not suited to ur way.... guess what? You might be upset after the coaching...
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    • Profile picture of the author Giani
      It is definitely worth if it is Frank Kern.
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  • Profile picture of the author fated82
    There is alot of factors going into this thought process. The most immediate one would be, are you sure you are going to follow every single thing that is taught to you? Are you ready to take your biz to the next level? (surprisingly, most aren't) and are you sure you have learnt everything you ought to learn and about IM?

    I would spend the $8k somewhere else....either producing more products to sell or buying more ads to generate more leads....at least, i have a clearer ROI...
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Harvey
    'Would I pay some dude who makes a tonne of money to coach me for 8 weeks. And pay $8000?'

    Simple answer: no.

    If you posted a thread and even considered it then you have the money to spend or at least can find the funding to do so in some way or another. Therefore the answer you were looking for is 'yes.'

    It doesn't take a psychologist to figure out you have already been sold on the idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

    Hey there guys,

    I just got off the phone with one of Franks buddies who was giving me a free strategy session for my online business and how to scale things up. He delivered some awesome, meaty value and really gave me some good insights.

    But obviously there was a sales pitch at the end, which was incredibly low pressure, where he asked if I wanted to pay $8,000 for an 8 week group coaching session where he would personally help me scale my business up.

    Honestly, I was very intrigued with this offer because the chance to work with Frank Kern is always rock solid but first off I really didn't like the idea of the group coaching session. I would want some 1 on 1 for $8K, ya know? And second, I just flat out don't have $8K I can drop on something like that.

    So, my question to everyone is "What Would You Do?" Would you take the offer and join the coaching group or would you pass like I did?

    Lemme know your thoughts...

    Talk soon,
    Matthew Neer
    Most of Frank's stuff is free if you know what you're looking at. The emails before launch, the giveaways, the sales process, etc. - 90% of it stares you in the face. Put the $8K toward traffic once you've got a sales funnel setup, ready for testing...

    Same concept for a Guru in any niche. Opt-in to the competitors, study their sales process - autoresponder followup - language - products - etc. and mimic it.
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

    So, my question to everyone is "What Would You Do?" Would you take the offer and join the coaching group or would you pass like I did?

    Lemme know your thoughts...

    Talk soon,
    Matthew Neer
    I'll start with some disclaimers.

    I have not spent ONE CENT on Frank Kern's products or programs.
    (I did get one lesson of his as a bonus from another purchase)

    I also have a STRONG bias against high-priced products packaged
    as 'big box' courses... and have ranted about them many times.

    BUT - in those rants, I've also said something else. The ONLY
    reason I would justify a high-priced purchase would be if it
    involved PERSONAL coaching by a proven expert.

    Rewind to 2003. I had a very successful product launch. At
    that exact moment, quite by coincidence, an email landed in my
    inbox. It offered a 26-week mentorship (group coaching delivered
    as a teleseminar phone call series, with optional one-on-one
    sessions as needed) with THREE experts - Jay Abraham, Stephen
    Pierce and Rich Schefren.

    At that time, I had heard of Stephen, knew Jay was a world-famous
    business coach, and had never heard of Rich!

    I asked people for advice. Was given conflicting opinions. In
    the end, what settled the choice for me was that:

    a. I had the cash to spare on the program ($5,000)
    b. I knew at least one of the experts by reputation, and the
    other from a previous purchase of his products
    c. I was guaranteed personal coaching DIRECTLY by the experts

    So I signed up. Not without some hesitation and doubt, I'll add.

    The teleseminars were delivered on schedule. Jay Abraham's
    grounding material that came as a bonus was alone worth more
    than the asking price to my business. And I received so many
    revelations that showed areas where I could expand and grow
    that it kept me busy for the next 3 YEARS... with each change
    adding value and profit to my bottomline.

    And there was work involved. HARD work. Many others on the
    program didn't put it in - and benefited less. I know for a
    fact that a couple of other Warriors were on the same program.
    Both are very successful today.

    All this being a long way to say:

    * If you're stuck at a level and want a breakthrough to the
    next level, a mentor who is at that level and KNOWS TO TEACH
    the system to get there can be worth gold

    * If you're getting PERSONAL training from an expert, be
    ready to pay high prices for that privilege

    * If you cannot afford the cost, or are not at the level at
    which you'll benefit from the program, the BEST teacher or
    course will NOT benefit you

    Beyond this, it's a personal choice - one only YOU can make
    for yourself.

    Hope this helps.

    All success
    Dr.Mani

    P.S. - Not every high-priced program is top-quality. Not
    every low ticket product is worthless. Spending a lot of
    money learning a business is no guarantee that you'll be
    successful.

    And by no stretch of imagination is spending a lot of money
    a REQUIREMENT for being successful! (Don't get brainwashed
    into believing that myth!)



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  • Profile picture of the author alcymart
    Heck, I charge nothing! My system may take more time to reach high income levels, but my lessons, and support is free!

    Take care,

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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    $8000? Nah, I think I'll pass on that one. For 8 grand, I would want to be able to double my money in 14 days with absolutely no work involved whatsoever on my part and a lifetime money back guarantee. A silver bullet if you like.
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    • Profile picture of the author frank-kern
      First of all, thanks for the kind words Matthew. I'm very glad to hear you got value and good content from your session and that you did NOT experience a high pressure douchey pitch.

      I hate that crap.

      We go through constant training to make sure our team (a whopping team of three people) gives good value and actually helps people.

      Glad it's working. I even made the team sign a contract promising to give value, never make income claims, and never misrepresent anything. (I'm super weird when it comes to phone room stuff. I think it's best to be obnoxiously compliant with all regulations.)

      Anyway - to answer the question of whether someone should pay for the coaching, it depends on each person ...it's definitely NOT a good fit for many.

      Especially general IM people. (Nothing against them ...this is simply designed for a different market.)

      I don't offer any "magic" solution. This is a very specialized program and it's suitable only for very specific types of businesses, mainly service businesses, high-value info marketers, and consultants.

      It is by NO means a form of business opportunity or anything even remotely like that.

      In fact, let's just say that nobody reading this should buy it from me (or anything else for that matter). This way, we can keep the mods from thinking this is a disguised promo.

      Now - most importantly, please let me clear up some potential misconceptions:

      1. The coaching is led by me and my partner, Kevin Nations. There are NO other instructors. Each class is small ...around 50 people (max). There is also a live event at the end. (Again, just Kevin and I teaching. No guests or any "seminar" crap.)

      If you don't know who Kevin is, Google him.

      2. We do NOT farm out our telephone work to lame 3rd party boiler rooms. I have three people who work for me specifically ...and all they do is conduct these consultations on the phone.

      They all earned multiple six figures in their previous careers prior to working with me and are REAL people with real knowledge and real expertise.

      (But again ...to be clear ...they do not teach my classes. Their sole function is to conduct the strategy sessions ...which are free.. and help people determine if our program is a fit for them.)

      I HATE those lame sales teams that use high pressure to sell "coaching" for a ton of money ...and the "coaches" are $10/hour kids with no experience.

      We do NOT do that. Ever.

      I work out of the same office where many of the strategy sessions are held each day. I teach the classes personally. I answer the questions every week ...personally ...live and on the phone with the class.

      3. NO TELEMARKETING: In order for someone to even get on the phone with my office, they have to specifically request a call, schedule it with our director of operations, and then they will receive a consultation.

      In other words, we are in NO WAY running an outbound call center. People have to deliberately ask us to contact them.

      4: Sharing customer data: I do not EVER share customer data except to give affiliates lists of people they need to provide bonuses for.

      I do not ever give my customer names or contact info to 3rd party sales floors.

      OK that's about it.

      I don't care if anyone from WF ever buys the program or not ...this reply isn't intended to be a pitch for it.

      My primary motivation is to make it absolutely clear that we don't do any of the things I just mentioned.

      I hate those types of operations and want no part of them.

      Rant over. Thanks for listening.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Well, we've heard from the man himself. Not much more to be added. I'll just toss out an anecdote as an illustration of what I consider the main reason someone should take Frank up on this...

    A few years ago I was all tangled up trying to decide if I wanted to spend about $15,000 on a bunch of new computers and other equipment for the business I owned at the time. I was making a comfortable living so I didn't really have to buy any of it. That's what was holding me up. Then my wife and business partner said something that made me realize how silly I was being.

    She said, "You're thinking of it as $15,000 spent. It's really $15,000 invested." Ding ding ding. Lightbulb moment. Of course, that's correct. It was clear I was going to recoup that money (and then some) because the whole point of buying the stuff was to expand my business.

    So, assuming you have $8K to invest in this, think of it as an expansion. You're very likely to learn some actionable things from a guy like Frank - things you're not currently doing to make you money. As long as you take action on what he teaches, that $8K quickly becomes an investment, not an expense.

    IMHO.

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    • Profile picture of the author frank-kern
      Thanks John.

      This is going really make the naysayers happier than ever:

      The program is actually $12K.

      Matthew was offered a scholarship discount of $4K if he made a decision to enroll while on his session.

      He did not enroll, which is fine. As he will tell you, we don't use high pressure ...and if someone doesn't want to enroll that's totally OK.

      But the Scholarship window is closed. If he chose to enroll at this point, it would have to be at the $12k price point.
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    ...and there was silence for a while after that.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
    I will say this, I don't know Frank at all, but after spending a few years in sales myself and being around it my entire life, it is essential for someone that gets into sales to go through some extensive training.

    Fortunately for me, I didn't have to pay any money because my dad has been a successful salesman for 30+ years. I got free on the job training and mentoring from him before I started to sell on my own. I have a friend that is a sales trainer. I think he charges a few thousand for his sessions. He's very good at what he does.

    The problem people have is closing a sale. It seems so easy to those that have never sold, but this is something you don't just learn on your own. Asking for the sale isn't easy. You might know everything there is to know about your product and can convey that message to a lead, but if you don't have the balls to ask for the sale, somebody else will.

    If you have the money to pay a great trainer, do it. I have a friend that is a great talker and thinks he that alone will get him sales. He's finding out right now it's not as simple as that. When I have the time, I've been sitting next to him when he makes sales calls and will critique him. To be honest, he's horrible at it. He puckers up when it comes time to ask for the sale. If I had more time to devote to training him, I would. But at this point, he couldn't close a deal if his life depended on it.

    If you find yourself selling a product that can realistically generate $100k or more per year if you're good at sales, why not spend a few thousand bucks hire someone that can teach you how to reach those income levels?

    Not pimping Frank here, but just saying that you really do need good sales training to succeed in sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
    You guys serious about this. Being a successful Internet Marketer myself I would gladly spend that for 8 weeks with Frank. Not sure I would learn much, after all I've been doing this 15 years, but spending 8 weeks with him psychoanalyzing him and picking his brain for 8 weeks would be great.

    Besides I've spent 6K on a custom suit, so 8k for 8 weeks surely isn't that big of a deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeromyS
      Originally Posted by CyberSorcerer View Post

      You guys serious about this. Being a successful Internet Marketer myself I would gladly spend that for 8 weeks with Frank. Not sure I would learn much, after all I've been doing this 15 years, but spending 8 weeks with him psychoanalyzing him and picking his brain for 8 weeks would be great.

      Besides I've spent 6K on a custom suit, so 8k for 8 weeks surely isn't that big of a deal.
      That is true, but I am guessing this doesn't mean one on one personal coaching. Frank Kern wouldn't personally coach someone for 8 weeks for only 8k! Is this perhaps a group of other people teaching/mentoring on Frank's behalf?
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      • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
        Originally Posted by JeromyS View Post

        That is true, but I am guessing this doesn't mean one on one personal coaching. Frank Kern wouldn't personally coach someone for 8 weeks for only 8k! Is this perhaps a group of other people teaching/mentoring on Frank's behalf?
        Yes true. If it's not Frank personally, then NO DEAL!

        If it was some of Franks staff, prior students, etc, then there would absolutely be no way I would learn anything from them. And picking their brain probably wouldn't be worth that either.

        Beside, if that's the model Frank would use then I surely would loose a lot of respect for him. Using just his name to garner 8k from people on the belief their going to get 8 full weeks with him.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by JeromyS View Post

        That is true, but I am guessing this doesn't mean one on one personal coaching. Frank Kern wouldn't personally coach someone for 8 weeks for only 8k! Is this perhaps a group of other people teaching/mentoring on Frank's behalf?
        If you read Frank's post above, this is a very close-knit coaching group conducted only by Frank and his partner, Kevin Nations. And this does come with a live seminar at the end where you get to spend time with Frank and his partner, so you will get a lot of high-level access to Frank with this coaching program.

        This is not some lame business in a box being handed to you on a silver platter, but it'll be incredibly lucrative for the right people who are in the right position to be helped by it. You will still have to work at implementing this, and Frank's perfectly clear in his post above and also in his consultations about what this can and cannot accomplish.
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  • Profile picture of the author upgradereality
    Put 8k into PPC and you can probably build a targeted list of 6000-8000 people. If you have reasonable marketing skills you can make that $8k back easily from a 6-8k list
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Nope no way. Do you know how much money $8,000 is, for god sake. And it's a big hell no especially for newbies. They would do much better buying $8,000 worth of articles or something else atleast they would be making money not losing $8,000.

    I guess people who have a lot of money in the first place or are hitting a plateau may find it useful but definitely not for the struggling or newbie marketer.

    What they need is a kick up the ass and do some work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mission0ps
    No - Thats a game that only "the too much money than sense" pay
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Rey
    people would pay 8k to just hang out with frank lol

    Get all the info first before diving in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tiratore
    It's worth it. He often guarantees results if you do exactly what he says. If he didn't get results for people, you'd hear about it. I know many people personally whom pay 100K/year for mastermind groups with limited access to the person running them. That is investment money which gets you out of your current mindset, inside the network of the big money makers and off your tush.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    I wouldn't! For $8,000, just like you, I would want 1-on-1 coaching. Otherwise you may miss some vital information if the majority of the rest of the group already understands it.
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

    Hey there guys,

    I just got off the phone with one of Franks buddies who was giving me a free strategy session for my online business and how to scale things up. He delivered some awesome, meaty value and really gave me some good insights.

    But obviously there was a sales pitch at the end, which was incredibly low pressure, where he asked if I wanted to pay $8,000 for an 8 week group coaching session where he would personally help me scale my business up.

    Honestly, I was very intrigued with this offer because the chance to work with Frank Kern is always rock solid but first off I really didn't like the idea of the group coaching session. I would want some 1 on 1 for $8K, ya know? And second, I just flat out don't have $8K I can drop on something like that.

    So, my question to everyone is "What Would You Do?" Would you take the offer and join the coaching group or would you pass like I did?

    Lemme know your thoughts...

    Talk soon,
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  • Profile picture of the author unbrokenspirit
    make a group, delegate one trusted person to attend, pay his fee. then do the task as obtained on the course. might be it's just my stupid suggestion :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay norestin
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    Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

    Hey there guys,

    I just got off the phone with one of Franks buddies who was giving me a free strategy session for my online business and how to scale things up. He delivered some awesome, meaty value and really gave me some good insights.

    But obviously there was a sales pitch at the end, which was incredibly low pressure, where he asked if I wanted to pay $8,000 for an 8 week group coaching session where he would personally help me scale my business up.

    Honestly, I was very intrigued with this offer because the chance to work with Frank Kern is always rock solid but first off I really didn't like the idea of the group coaching session. I would want some 1 on 1 for $8K, ya know? And second, I just flat out don't have $8K I can drop on something like that.

    So, my question to everyone is "What Would You Do?" Would you take the offer and join the coaching group or would you pass like I did?

    Lemme know your thoughts...

    Talk soon,
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    Frank Charges 100k for 1 on 1 coaching and youre getting more... since kevin will be apart of it as well.. if you have 8k go for it..
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    • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
      Originally Posted by Jay norestin View Post

      Frank Charges 100k for 1 on 1 coaching and youre getting more... since kevin will be apart of it as well.. if you have 8k go for it..
      I'd never heard of Kevin until I read this thread last night
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    People like Frank Kern made money from selling the cult of personality. Watch his courses and jot down the real money maker points. There are not actually that many and all are usually obvious. More broadly, even the best sales coaches can only go over ground that's been gone over for 100 years with different approaches.

    Its all about the actions you take. You cannot teach personality or charisma, nor can you teach someone to get lucky with the buddies they pick up.

    I once worked with one of the UK's leading motivational speakers, Nigel Risner. His rate for 3 hours was £3000 (about $5000) and that was "mates rates".

    Was he good, hell yes. Was he great, certainly. Was he inspiring, yep. Did he make wonderful points. Oh yes. Did I gain motivation in the short term, a more positive outlook and some ideas to follow up on. Without a doubt.

    Was he worth the money in terms of increased profit. No.


    Of course it could just be that I am a muppet, but the main point I am making is that although the appeal of rubbing shoulders with the "big guns" is huge, the sad fact is that in most cases very little rubs off permanently.
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  • Profile picture of the author smartlazy
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    I heard that Frank Kern is one of the most respected Internet marketers around. So I believe that $8,000 is worth the cost if you get direct coaching from Frank himself.

    If you think that this coaching will make you several times more money than the cost of the course, then go for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by smartlazy View Post

      I heard that Frank Kern is one of the most respected Internet marketers around. So I believe that $8,000 is worth the cost if you get direct coaching from Frank himself.

      If you think that this coaching will make you several times more money than the cost of the course, then go for it.
      As has been mentioned in this thread numerous times, Frank is very selective with the students/clients that he admits into his coaching and mastermind sessions, and it's very likely he won't even admit you if he feels you're not a good fit and won't benefit from his services - even if you have the money and wave it in his face!
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    lol.... the cynics are out in full force.

    to the OP, i think you answered your own question... it seems like its a lil steep for you.... i dont think this offer was intended for ya.

    it's an investment.

    if investing 8k is a big dealio for you, then this is not for you.

    if you refuse to get off your rear end and work this isnt for you.

    Frank or anyone thats made it can show you the way, but you gotta roll up your sleeves and get to work.

    IF you're just expecting him to pull a million dollar launch out of his rear end and you just make a ton of money out of thin air... then you're probably not thinking rationally.

    if you're balking on the 8k you arent who the offer is for.... you are weeding yourself out.

    oh and guys if it was that easy to make all this money like you guys all claim.... how many of you are pullin' 7 figures a year???

    thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      Frank or anyone thats made it can show you the way, but you gotta roll up your sleeves and get to work.

      IF you're just expecting him to pull a million dollar launch out of his rear end and you just make a ton of money out of thin air... then you're probably not thinking rationally.

      if you're balking on the 8k you arent who the offer is for.... you are weeding yourself out.

      oh and guys if it was that easy to make all this money like you guys all claim.... how many of you are pullin' 7 figures a year???

      thank you.
      I find this to be a stumbling block for many people considering coaching programs - many are somehow under the mistaken impression that everything is going to be done for them, and their hands will be held every step of the way, i.e. they think they're assured of automatic success just by joining, and there's no way they can fail.

      Nothing could be further from the truth. Look at Tiger Woods, he has a coach that he pays an obscene amount. Does he still have to work on his golf swing and spend countless hours on the green hitting and putting balls? Who's putting in most of the effort, Tiger or his coach?

      Coaching is not a panacea for hard work or creative thinking, and if you're not willing to put in the effort you might as well not even get coached.
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      • Profile picture of the author JeromyS
        Originally Posted by Marvin Johnston View Post

        That statement is mind boggling with how wrong it is.
        What I mean is that much of the strategies are well known and shared within this forum. Ultimately it takes action, Frank is one of the industries most respected and successful marketers, IMO. If you have the money, do it. If its a stretch, I think Frank himself would say, maybe this isn't for you right now and point you to something, someone, somewhere, that will be helpful, such as the Warrior Forums.

        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post


        Seriously though - Frank's now dropped by and said what the situation is so I'm not sure why people are still talking like we don't know if it's him or not delivering the coaching.

        The point is - it's not his job to make you successful and different people will get different value from coaching by different people.

        I don't think anyone here is naive enough to think that working with a successful person wouldn't be useful to most people, but if you've never made any real money and don't have a business to speak of then this is all an unknown quantity and you'd be crazy to spend money you don't have on something you don't understand or know will make a difference.

        There are plenty of things anyone can do to help their business today for free regardless of their business, so the only reason to go elsewhere for help is when you know what type of help will make the difference.

        Way too many IMers expect others to make them successful - even to tell them what their business should be.

        For me you could replace Frank's name with anyone on the planet and it wouldn't make any difference. If I thought a particular offer from someone would make a huge difference to me then I'd take it - the only thing to stop me would be if I didn't respect/trust the person, which is not the case with Frank.

        Andy
        Agreed.

        Originally Posted by Tiratore View Post

        It's worth it. He often guarantees results if you do exactly what he says. If he didn't get results for people, you'd hear about it. I know many people personally whom pay 100K/year for mastermind groups with limited access to the person running them. That is investment money which gets you out of your current mindset, inside the network of the big money makers and off your tush.
        He isn't going to take anyones money and run. He stands by his work and I am sure would refund a person that was unhappy with their purchase.

        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        If you read Frank's post above, this is a very close-knit coaching group conducted only by Frank and his partner, Kevin Nations. And this does come with a live seminar at the end where you get to spend time with Frank and his partner, so you will get a lot of high-level access to Frank with this coaching program.

        This is not some lame business in a box being handed to you on a silver platter, but it'll be incredibly lucrative for the right people who are in the right position to be helped by it. You will still have to work at implementing this, and Frank's perfectly clear in his post above and also in his consultations about what this can and cannot accomplish.
        I missed his post, but will look for it. If this is the case, it is most certainly worth it for the right people. I thought that it might have been another one of those coaching systems that some of the other Guru's outsource. Coaching by Frank himself is a amazing opportunity, for the right people.

        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        Exactly, you can learn a lot from a person by observing what he says and does, the best marketers will do this anyway - they practice what they preach, and Frank certainly does that!

        So just by observing what he does on product launches and paying attention to the stuff he gives away for free, you could derive a lot of value from just that alone.

        Whether or not you spring for a mastermind/coaching sessions is entirely going to depend on where you currently are in your business, and whether you're positioned correctly to be able to benefit from such coaching. I really like the fact that Frank doesn't just sign up any average Joe who wants to get in on one of his high-level programs, it seems that he thoroughly vets and analyzes everyone before approving them.

        Paul
        Very true.

        Originally Posted by smartlazy View Post

        I heard that Frank Kern is one of the most respected Internet marketers around. So I believe that $8,000 is worth the cost if you get direct coaching from Frank himself.

        If you think that this coaching will make you several times more money than the cost of the course, then go for it.
        Agreed!

        Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

        lol.... the cynics are out in full force.

        to the OP, i think you answered your own question... it seems like its a lil steep for you.... i dont think this offer was intended for ya.

        it's an investment.

        if investing 8k is a big dealio for you, then this is not for you.

        if you refuse to get off your rear end and work this isnt for you.

        Frank or anyone thats made it can show you the way, but you gotta roll up your sleeves and get to work.

        IF you're just expecting him to pull a million dollar launch out of his rear end and you just make a ton of money out of thin air... then you're probably not thinking rationally.

        if you're balking on the 8k you arent who the offer is for.... you are weeding yourself out.

        oh and guys if it was that easy to make all this money like you guys all claim.... how many of you are pullin' 7 figures a year???

        thank you.
        Agreed. I think a lot of us probably have components of the knowledge to be successful online, but it takes actions, the right actions, done well. Frank (and many other people) can teach this, and can motivate. But at the end of the day, it boils down to the individual.

        I really like Frank. I don't know him, he doesn't know me. But I have seen his launches, I have seen others analyze and teach based on his launches. He is Good, very Good. Myself, I don't have that kind of money at my disposal, but I would absolutely love to be mentored by Frank Kern. Perhaps it is my 'fear' to commit these kinda expenditures that keep me from my 7 figure income
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  • Profile picture of the author EvcRo
    That's why america is no2 now, because they pay 10x what is worth. Short answer, no.
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  • Profile picture of the author HotDamnShortSales
    I have to add my ..02, here goes. A year ago we had a "coaching program" it was real estate specific to short sales strategy. People in the city saw us closing deals making alot of money and wanted to know how. So, being the capitalistic entrepreneur I am, I created a program. People lined up to give us 4k for about 6 weeks of training. we had classes twice a week for about 6 weeks. small group of 6 teams of 2. we gave them EVERYTHING, all of our documents, contracts,scripts,websites I use,CONTACTS, and knowledge and education of the process from start to freaking finish.

    Now, heres my point. I offered up our home office any day all day for "students" to come over and hang out with me and my wife. take notes, ask questions, get on the phones with us, listen to conversations with banks and sellers and investors. go with us to real estate showings and properties. The whole deal. I did weekly trainings and updates, motivational emails and videos, gave them books and magazines to read. basically everything we did for 3 years to build our business from scratch.

    well, guess what....after a few months, everyone disappeared! I would ask for weekly reports of their progress, what they did to grow their business, relationships the built,marketing they sent out, ads they created, and i would get NOTHING back from them.

    I couldn't do it. That was the last of our coaching programs. Now, heres my point.

    We could have cranked up the marketing and advertising for "elite short sales coaching program" and I could have MADE A KILLING! taking peoples money. why? because I had the reputation and the checks and proof to back it up. BUT WE DIDN'T. I saw that there are those out there I call "professional learners", they spend all their money on boot camps,books, tapes, coaching, etc. they have money to blow, SOME do not. And for those that do not, I cant in good concious take their money, because its just human nature. life happens, things come up, people move on or change to promoting energy drinks or something.

    so, SAVE YOUR MONEY DUDE. 8 grand is alot. use that to build your OWN business and find someone that is willing to grow with you. maybe offer to pay them some incentive or as a consultant or someone to partner on something with you.

    I took what we did in person here with our short sales program, and created it ONLINE. I didn't (and still dont') know the world of internet marketing, but I'll say this IT AINT CHEAP TO DO IT RIGHT! We just launched last week on 1-11. we had a few sales come in, but that's it. It is going to take weeks and weeks of marketing, advertising,SEO etc to get even the most kick ass design and copy sales letter to really kick in. weeks and months dude! so use those weeks and months to spend hours and hours and hours on this forum, watching videos, asking for help, studying, maybe buy a few courses (but don't go crazy like I did) just find someone who knows your world of what you want to do with IM and get working on it.

    take your time, work hard though and diligent every day and seek out relationships of people you "click" with (haha get it, pun intended)


    ok, so my vote is: KEEP YOUR 8 GRAND! you are in a desperate kind of mindset and thats when bad decisions are made. because all that will happen is you spend 8k, and 8 weeks go by, then 9, then 10 and you give up or move on to something else and frank kern (as awesome as he is) is long gone and on to his next set of "students" who just paid him 8 grand. see how that works?

    good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Talha Ahmed
    I forgot the name who said that people success from scratch, If you come to know that a year before I was sleeping on roads and didn't have a roof to hide me self and was eating food which people left in there plats after taking there meal then all of you will be surprised. Only in a year struggled hard and worked about 22 hours in a day. A year before I didn't even knew how to install windows. But today it is a different story. I have SEO certification and I am in top 20 people in a freelancer market and running a small software house now.

    Reason of telling all this is, there is a sentence in english "Practice makes man perfect" or some thing like that. If you spend this 8K in experiments, I give you 200% guarantee that you will learn many new things then getting coaching of any one.
    It's my own thinking may be I am wrong but it works for me and I am stick with it. I am moving to IM now with full passion and knowledge of SEO. I will succeed one day with the help of God and His mercy and one day I will also post a thread here story of my success.
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    • Profile picture of the author TrekkieGrrrl
      Okay, I've read through all of the responses and I will chime in again.

      I'm not saying that spending thousands of dollars on coaching isn't a good investment. Depending on the offer, it could be a fantastic investment.

      But if someone is still shaky on the basics of a particular business model (whatever model the coaching teaches), then you can't reap the full benefit of advanced training.

      You don't even know enough to ask questions about what you don't know.

      Again, JMHO. YMMV.
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  • Profile picture of the author claytonkeirns
    If I had the money, I think I definitely would.

    You have to think about the ROI.. Dude if you get trained like that personally from him, your business will skyrocket
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  • Profile picture of the author Rhys Davies
    I would. Purchased all of his programs and watched his Millionaire Marketing Formula seminar and I haven't walked away from one thinking "that was a waste of money."

    Infact, 8k is a little low if you ask me. I would double that and still feel comfortable paying him.

    Although if you don't have 8k... your business isn't at the level that Frank is looking for. So in your case, I would stay out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnclave
    its depend on how smart you are and use your smartness and earn money.
    sometime investment is give their value.
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  • Profile picture of the author imagene
    If you've got endless supply of benjamins clogging up your drainage go hard!!.. but the reality is not many people have that much to invest. The one's that do...all power to you! I bought Corey Rudl's Insider Secrets course way back when, and if I had the chance I would have happily dropped whatever the asking price was to have him be my personal mentor. I don't know anything about Frank Kern, but if he's as good as his reviews say he is then go for it! Just make sure there's a MBG
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  • Profile picture of the author Vasuu
    8kUSD? Lot of money, I would only invest if i am going to make it back in 3 months.
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  • Profile picture of the author tedwood
    How about -
    1 - Outsource Your Content
    2 - Outsource An Information Or Software Product
    3 - Advertise Using Solo + Google Ads
    4 - Build A Large List

    You'll see that $8k back in no time!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Yes, it would be definitely worth it if you have a high caliber business. That is the type of coaching that makes people into Internet Superstars.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Fonda
    Personally I have to say I wouldn't pay $8k for group coaching. It's simply not worth it in my humble opinion - sorry.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
    Only if he taught me how to grow a beard and surf.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
    At this point in my business, no, I wouldn't pay $8K for a coaching program. But that doesn't mean I don't think it's a fantastic deal for people who are in the right position to take advantage of the offer.

    I'm a big believer in learning from people who are a level or two above you, because they're still able to relate to the problems and challenges you're facing without being so far removed from those things themselves. The level that Frank Kern is at and the level that I'm at are so different that, at this point, I don't think his coaching program would be the most efficient use of either of our times.

    Maybe, when my business is more sophisticated, it'd be something I'd consider, but for now, I'll stick with less expensive teachers who are closer to my level.
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    • Profile picture of the author Buford Mobley
      I would definitely pay if I was at the level a couple of notches below Frank Kern. When I first started, I was clueless until I bit the bullet, sacrificed my weekly golf game with the buddies, and joined a coaching program, which at the time for me felt like 8k. Best decision I've made so far.
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