Its all about what you're going to get out of it. I think Dan Kennedy charges $8k for one day of coaching.

I wouldn't do it, just because it's Frank, doesn't mean you cannot learn it? I mean, Frank is big, but not because he bought 8k $ courses.

$8000 is incredibly cheap for 8 weeks, considering what and who would you have access to...

For 8k $ the only coaching I would take would be from god himself.
I don't meant to be rude or dismissive of Frank Kern or anyone else at that matter, I just know there are countless success stories of people starting from scratch. If you spend 8k, who is to say this program works for you?
You might find it different than what you expected, or worse, not live up to your expectations.
That's just me. Maybe it's because I am taking a free course that has really taught my a lot.

Those things generally work for people who can afford it.

What if the coaching session makes it clear you need to spend $20K a month on adverstising to take your business to the level you want, as an example.

What then?

Here's an idea...keep your credit card in your wallet until you can afford to pay cash for the coaching out of the earnings you make online.

~Bill

You answered your own question - you don't have 8K to drop, therefore don't stretch yourself for something that may or may not pay back the investment.

Plus 8K for Group Coaching is a big price - if you're in a group dynamic how could you guarantee that you were all on the same page and therefore all benefitted equally? So the coaching is likely to be generic - if you are going to lay out that sum on coaching my advice would be to find someone who's willing to take some time and invest in learning about you and applying strategies that are specifically tailored to your situation and your success.

I'd say thanks, but no thanks.


Paul

It would really depend on the information I would be given access to

These are the questions running though my head:

How much actual time do you get for the 8K? 1 hr a week?
Is his coaching going to make you get off your ass and actually do something?
How quickly could you recoup the 8K?
How many others are in the group? A small amount not be too bad but I'm thinking more than 3 or 4 and you won't get enough personal attention.

To answer your question, no I wouldn't coz I'm a tightwad and I'm just not at that stage yet where I could handle what I was taught.

I would never invest that much money on intellectual property.
It seems outrageous and how do you know he is giving you everything of value and how do you know it will work for you?
The course might not be "for you"

You need something that tailors to your way of learning and selling.
Don't leap to "buy his ****" that is what he says alot.
I watched one of his videos and he gives you nothing but bull.

do some serious research and then maybe go get a loan for 8 grande if you really love Frank Kern.
It's not like he is going to be over your shoulder the whole time either. if you get stuck you are ****ed out of 8K.

Good luck

Frank Kern is a guru, he knows his stuff. But honestly, I think you can just read and test some avenues out and the education you would get from trial and error with the 8K price tag would probably be far more beneficial.

I personally wouldn't spend $8k on coaching from Frank Kern.

If I would have personal access to Frank and could afford that amount to invest in coaching, then hell yes I would.

I wouldn't pay anyone like that to mow my lawn or wash my car, let alone what was offered the OP.

I think it depends on if Frank Kern knows what you want to learn, and if Frank Kern is living the life you would like to live.

Well, people pay $40,000 for college for their children and they don't learn much there... Compared to that, $8,000 is nothing special...

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No. Effing. Way.

Go buy a copy of The Millionaire Fastlane instead. Everything you need to know is in that book.

I think in your position I would have done what you did.

There are many types of coaching and I think the details of what's being offered/promised and what is the realistic outcome would make all the difference to the true value.

Just saying would I pay $8k for some group time with someone doesn't really mean anything. I'm sure there are some Frank worshippers who would pay that just to spend time with him (if that was offered).

I've met him and he's just a normal guy - the value is completely dependant on how the details of the offer relate to you and your business.

The main thing you have to look at is the connections you get for 8k!

In this business (and loads of others) the connections are what make or break you, ok you can go at it alone but if your chasing that big money and want the big paychecks you need the help and support of others. Be it just in the form of encouragement and someone to turn to if you need help or advice, or on the other end of things for them to put out a promotion for you and earn you some money.

So in this case your getting the help and they will remember who you are and unless your already one of their bigger affiliates who have earnt then some nice money it really is going to be this that makes that difference.

Tim

8K - that's a lot of outsourced articles, bookmarking, backlinks etc. you could use to scale up your business...

If you haven't bought Mass Control, implemented it, and made money then I think that's your answer right there.

Most people think that to get to the next level, they just need to buy something expensive. When in reality, if you can't make a positive ROI on a $97 product, you're not ready for anything more expensive.

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I thought it would be useful for you to read through this thread before making a decision. At the end of the day, no one except you can make a wise, informed decision because no one will know about you and your business better than yourself.


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No
Mainly cause i dont have 8k

I wouldnt pay over 500 for any training over the internet
I can get a HND in online marketing for 2.000€

I'm sure he has great things to say, but by the same token I'm guessing there will be a lot more than $8k associated with this venture because if Frank is giving you his real strategies, they sure as hell aren't all going to be free. This is sort of "go big or go home" where just scraping together the 8K probably won't get you a whole lot.

I know others here disagree, but I wouldn't pay that much for coaching personally, I think if you have the mindset to succeed in IM then you also can teach yourself most of what you need to know without dropping thousands of dollars.

I don't think I would. I like the advice and content that he has put out in the marketplace. However, his free content is valuable enough. Take advantage of what he has already given out.

Have heard people say they are successful today because of what they learned from Perry Marshall, Glenn Livingston, Terry Dean, Paul Myers, Brad Grosse, Andy Henry & many others, just to name a few... (many in this very forum!) I may live in a cave, he is obviously very successful, however, for some reason I have never heard anyone tout his teaching abilities. So I guess that means, I have no idea. Lol.

For $8K, I would definitely pass. You could buy a heck of a lot of training courses (and coaching with extremely successful, but less well-known Internet marketers) for that amount of cash.

Seriously... what kind of "secrets" is he going let you in on? That you should build a list or create your own info products?

The big secret is that there are no secrets.

You owe me 8 grand.

John

Anyone who is worried about 8K is not the target audience for this offer. Plain and simple.

Frank is more concerned with helping people make 6, 7 and 8 figures a year with this program, not those who are trying to justify whether or not they can afford $8000, or those still trying to flip ebooks for $27.

The people who take this program often already have businesses that are killing it. To them, getting a slight increase in profits is worth way more than the entry fee.

I've personally met many of his private mastermind folks and they are people who are CRUSHING it. $8000 is not even an issue to the majority of these people.

Here's a better question to ask...

"Would you trade $8,000 for $80,000?"

Don't get me wrong -- I like Frank. I really do.

But I've always felt that his greatest asset is his charisma. And I'm not sure you can teach that.

And I say this despite the fact that Frank and I are close personal friends.

Well... OK... I've never actually met him, but he sent me a letter with money ($1) stapled to the top of it. So he MUST consider me to be a good friend, right?

I mean, it's not as if he's gonna send money to THOUSANDS of strangers or something.

John

There is alot of factors going into this thought process. The most immediate one would be, are you sure you are going to follow every single thing that is taught to you? Are you ready to take your biz to the next level? (surprisingly, most aren't) and are you sure you have learnt everything you ought to learn and about IM?

I would spend the $8k somewhere else....either producing more products to sell or buying more ads to generate more leads....at least, i have a clearer ROI...

'Would I pay some dude who makes a tonne of money to coach me for 8 weeks. And pay $8000?'

Simple answer: no.

If you posted a thread and even considered it then you have the money to spend or at least can find the funding to do so in some way or another. Therefore the answer you were looking for is 'yes.'

It doesn't take a psychologist to figure out you have already been sold on the idea.

Most of Frank's stuff is free if you know what you're looking at. The emails before launch, the giveaways, the sales process, etc. - 90% of it stares you in the face. Put the $8K toward traffic once you've got a sales funnel setup, ready for testing...

Same concept for a Guru in any niche. Opt-in to the competitors, study their sales process - autoresponder followup - language - products - etc. and mimic it.

I'll start with some disclaimers.

I have not spent ONE CENT on Frank Kern's products or programs.
(I did get one lesson of his as a bonus from another purchase)

I also have a STRONG bias against high-priced products packaged
as 'big box' courses... and have ranted about them many times.

BUT - in those rants, I've also said something else. The ONLY
reason I would justify a high-priced purchase would be if it
involved PERSONAL coaching by a proven expert.

Rewind to 2003. I had a very successful product launch. At
that exact moment, quite by coincidence, an email landed in my
inbox. It offered a 26-week mentorship (group coaching delivered
as a teleseminar phone call series, with optional one-on-one
sessions as needed) with THREE experts - Jay Abraham, Stephen
Pierce and Rich Schefren.

At that time, I had heard of Stephen, knew Jay was a world-famous
business coach, and had never heard of Rich!

I asked people for advice. Was given conflicting opinions. In
the end, what settled the choice for me was that:

a. I had the cash to spare on the program ($5,000)
b. I knew at least one of the experts by reputation, and the
other from a previous purchase of his products
c. I was guaranteed personal coaching DIRECTLY by the experts

So I signed up. Not without some hesitation and doubt, I'll add.

The teleseminars were delivered on schedule. Jay Abraham's
grounding material that came as a bonus was alone worth more
than the asking price to my business. And I received so many
revelations that showed areas where I could expand and grow
that it kept me busy for the next 3 YEARS... with each change
adding value and profit to my bottomline.

And there was work involved. HARD work. Many others on the
program didn't put it in - and benefited less. I know for a
fact that a couple of other Warriors were on the same program.
Both are very successful today.

All this being a long way to say:

* If you're stuck at a level and want a breakthrough to the
next level, a mentor who is at that level and KNOWS TO TEACH
the system to get there can be worth gold

* If you're getting PERSONAL training from an expert, be
ready to pay high prices for that privilege

* If you cannot afford the cost, or are not at the level at
which you'll benefit from the program, the BEST teacher or
course will NOT benefit you

Beyond this, it's a personal choice - one only YOU can make
for yourself.

Hope this helps.

All success
Dr.Mani

P.S. - Not every high-priced program is top-quality. Not
every low ticket product is worthless. Spending a lot of
money learning a business is no guarantee that you'll be
successful.

And by no stretch of imagination is spending a lot of money
a REQUIREMENT for being successful! (Don't get brainwashed
into believing that myth!)


.

Heck, I charge nothing! My system may take more time to reach high income levels, but my lessons, and support is free!

Take care,

Bernard St-Pierre
Marketing Consultant
Copywriter/Teacher

$8000? Nah, I think I'll pass on that one. For 8 grand, I would want to be able to double my money in 14 days with absolutely no work involved whatsoever on my part and a lifetime money back guarantee. A silver bullet if you like.

Well, we've heard from the man himself. Not much more to be added. I'll just toss out an anecdote as an illustration of what I consider the main reason someone should take Frank up on this...

A few years ago I was all tangled up trying to decide if I wanted to spend about $15,000 on a bunch of new computers and other equipment for the business I owned at the time. I was making a comfortable living so I didn't really have to buy any of it. That's what was holding me up. Then my wife and business partner said something that made me realize how silly I was being.

She said, "You're thinking of it as $15,000 spent. It's really $15,000 invested." Ding ding ding. Lightbulb moment. Of course, that's correct. It was clear I was going to recoup that money (and then some) because the whole point of buying the stuff was to expand my business.

So, assuming you have $8K to invest in this, think of it as an expansion. You're very likely to learn some actionable things from a guy like Frank - things you're not currently doing to make you money. As long as you take action on what he teaches, that $8K quickly becomes an investment, not an expense.

IMHO.

John

...and there was silence for a while after that.

I will say this, I don't know Frank at all, but after spending a few years in sales myself and being around it my entire life, it is essential for someone that gets into sales to go through some extensive training.

Fortunately for me, I didn't have to pay any money because my dad has been a successful salesman for 30+ years. I got free on the job training and mentoring from him before I started to sell on my own. I have a friend that is a sales trainer. I think he charges a few thousand for his sessions. He's very good at what he does.

The problem people have is closing a sale. It seems so easy to those that have never sold, but this is something you don't just learn on your own. Asking for the sale isn't easy. You might know everything there is to know about your product and can convey that message to a lead, but if you don't have the balls to ask for the sale, somebody else will.

If you have the money to pay a great trainer, do it. I have a friend that is a great talker and thinks he that alone will get him sales. He's finding out right now it's not as simple as that. When I have the time, I've been sitting next to him when he makes sales calls and will critique him. To be honest, he's horrible at it. He puckers up when it comes time to ask for the sale. If I had more time to devote to training him, I would. But at this point, he couldn't close a deal if his life depended on it.

If you find yourself selling a product that can realistically generate $100k or more per year if you're good at sales, why not spend a few thousand bucks hire someone that can teach you how to reach those income levels?

Not pimping Frank here, but just saying that you really do need good sales training to succeed in sales.

You guys serious about this. Being a successful Internet Marketer myself I would gladly spend that for 8 weeks with Frank. Not sure I would learn much, after all I've been doing this 15 years, but spending 8 weeks with him psychoanalyzing him and picking his brain for 8 weeks would be great.

Besides I've spent 6K on a custom suit, so 8k for 8 weeks surely isn't that big of a deal.

Only if it was 1 on 1 live in person and for at least 4 hours a day!

Put 8k into PPC and you can probably build a targeted list of 6000-8000 people. If you have reasonable marketing skills you can make that $8k back easily from a 6-8k list

Nope no way. Do you know how much money $8,000 is, for god sake. And it's a big hell no especially for newbies. They would do much better buying $8,000 worth of articles or something else atleast they would be making money not losing $8,000.

I guess people who have a lot of money in the first place or are hitting a plateau may find it useful but definitely not for the struggling or newbie marketer.

What they need is a kick up the ass and do some work.

No - Thats a game that only "the too much money than sense" pay

people would pay 8k to just hang out with frank lol

Get all the info first before diving in.

It's worth it. He often guarantees results if you do exactly what he says. If he didn't get results for people, you'd hear about it. I know many people personally whom pay 100K/year for mastermind groups with limited access to the person running them. That is investment money which gets you out of your current mindset, inside the network of the big money makers and off your tush.

I wouldn't! For $8,000, just like you, I would want 1-on-1 coaching. Otherwise you may miss some vital information if the majority of the rest of the group already understands it.

Do what they do, not what they say.

Woops i forgot, you asked a question.

HELL NO !!!!!

Do you know how many hamburgers you can get for 8 G's!

make a group, delegate one trusted person to attend, pay his fee. then do the task as obtained on the course. might be it's just my stupid suggestion :p

Frank Charges 100k for 1 on 1 coaching and youre getting more... since kevin will be apart of it as well.. if you have 8k go for it..

People like Frank Kern made money from selling the cult of personality. Watch his courses and jot down the real money maker points. There are not actually that many and all are usually obvious. More broadly, even the best sales coaches can only go over ground that's been gone over for 100 years with different approaches.

Its all about the actions you take. You cannot teach personality or charisma, nor can you teach someone to get lucky with the buddies they pick up.

I once worked with one of the UK's leading motivational speakers, Nigel Risner. His rate for 3 hours was £3000 (about $5000) and that was "mates rates".

Was he good, hell yes. Was he great, certainly. Was he inspiring, yep. Did he make wonderful points. Oh yes. Did I gain motivation in the short term, a more positive outlook and some ideas to follow up on. Without a doubt.

Was he worth the money in terms of increased profit. No.


Of course it could just be that I am a muppet, but the main point I am making is that although the appeal of rubbing shoulders with the "big guns" is huge, the sad fact is that in most cases very little rubs off permanently.

I heard that Frank Kern is one of the most respected Internet marketers around. So I believe that $8,000 is worth the cost if you get direct coaching from Frank himself.

If you think that this coaching will make you several times more money than the cost of the course, then go for it.

lol.... the cynics are out in full force.

to the OP, i think you answered your own question... it seems like its a lil steep for you.... i dont think this offer was intended for ya.

it's an investment.

if investing 8k is a big dealio for you, then this is not for you.

if you refuse to get off your rear end and work this isnt for you.

Frank or anyone thats made it can show you the way, but you gotta roll up your sleeves and get to work.

IF you're just expecting him to pull a million dollar launch out of his rear end and you just make a ton of money out of thin air... then you're probably not thinking rationally.

if you're balking on the 8k you arent who the offer is for.... you are weeding yourself out.

oh and guys if it was that easy to make all this money like you guys all claim.... how many of you are pullin' 7 figures a year???

thank you.

That's why america is no2 now, because they pay 10x what is worth. Short answer, no.

I have to add my ..02, here goes. A year ago we had a "coaching program" it was real estate specific to short sales strategy. People in the city saw us closing deals making alot of money and wanted to know how. So, being the capitalistic entrepreneur I am, I created a program. People lined up to give us 4k for about 6 weeks of training. we had classes twice a week for about 6 weeks. small group of 6 teams of 2. we gave them EVERYTHING, all of our documents, contracts,scripts,websites I use,CONTACTS, and knowledge and education of the process from start to freaking finish.

Now, heres my point. I offered up our home office any day all day for "students" to come over and hang out with me and my wife. take notes, ask questions, get on the phones with us, listen to conversations with banks and sellers and investors. go with us to real estate showings and properties. The whole deal. I did weekly trainings and updates, motivational emails and videos, gave them books and magazines to read. basically everything we did for 3 years to build our business from scratch.

well, guess what....after a few months, everyone disappeared! I would ask for weekly reports of their progress, what they did to grow their business, relationships the built,marketing they sent out, ads they created, and i would get NOTHING back from them.

I couldn't do it. That was the last of our coaching programs. Now, heres my point.

We could have cranked up the marketing and advertising for "elite short sales coaching program" and I could have MADE A KILLING! taking peoples money. why? because I had the reputation and the checks and proof to back it up. BUT WE DIDN'T. I saw that there are those out there I call "professional learners", they spend all their money on boot camps,books, tapes, coaching, etc. they have money to blow, SOME do not. And for those that do not, I cant in good concious take their money, because its just human nature. life happens, things come up, people move on or change to promoting energy drinks or something.

so, SAVE YOUR MONEY DUDE. 8 grand is alot. use that to build your OWN business and find someone that is willing to grow with you. maybe offer to pay them some incentive or as a consultant or someone to partner on something with you.

I took what we did in person here with our short sales program, and created it ONLINE. I didn't (and still dont') know the world of internet marketing, but I'll say this IT AINT CHEAP TO DO IT RIGHT! We just launched last week on 1-11. we had a few sales come in, but that's it. It is going to take weeks and weeks of marketing, advertising,SEO etc to get even the most kick ass design and copy sales letter to really kick in. weeks and months dude! so use those weeks and months to spend hours and hours and hours on this forum, watching videos, asking for help, studying, maybe buy a few courses (but don't go crazy like I did) just find someone who knows your world of what you want to do with IM and get working on it.

take your time, work hard though and diligent every day and seek out relationships of people you "click" with (haha get it, pun intended)


ok, so my vote is: KEEP YOUR 8 GRAND! you are in a desperate kind of mindset and thats when bad decisions are made. because all that will happen is you spend 8k, and 8 weeks go by, then 9, then 10 and you give up or move on to something else and frank kern (as awesome as he is) is long gone and on to his next set of "students" who just paid him 8 grand. see how that works?

good luck

I forgot the name who said that people success from scratch, If you come to know that a year before I was sleeping on roads and didn't have a roof to hide me self and was eating food which people left in there plats after taking there meal then all of you will be surprised. Only in a year struggled hard and worked about 22 hours in a day. A year before I didn't even knew how to install windows. But today it is a different story. I have SEO certification and I am in top 20 people in a freelancer market and running a small software house now.

Reason of telling all this is, there is a sentence in english "Practice makes man perfect" or some thing like that. If you spend this 8K in experiments, I give you 200% guarantee that you will learn many new things then getting coaching of any one.
It's my own thinking may be I am wrong but it works for me and I am stick with it. I am moving to IM now with full passion and knowledge of SEO. I will succeed one day with the help of God and His mercy and one day I will also post a thread here story of my success.

hell yeah wouldnt hesitate for a second

If I had the money, I think I definitely would.

You have to think about the ROI.. Dude if you get trained like that personally from him, your business will skyrocket

I would. Purchased all of his programs and watched his Millionaire Marketing Formula seminar and I haven't walked away from one thinking "that was a waste of money."

Infact, 8k is a little low if you ask me. I would double that and still feel comfortable paying him.

Although if you don't have 8k... your business isn't at the level that Frank is looking for. So in your case, I would stay out.

its depend on how smart you are and use your smartness and earn money.
sometime investment is give their value.

If you've got endless supply of benjamins clogging up your drainage go hard!!.. but the reality is not many people have that much to invest. The one's that do...all power to you! I bought Corey Rudl's Insider Secrets course way back when, and if I had the chance I would have happily dropped whatever the asking price was to have him be my personal mentor. I don't know anything about Frank Kern, but if he's as good as his reviews say he is then go for it! Just make sure there's a MBG

8kUSD? Lot of money, I would only invest if i am going to make it back in 3 months.

How about -
1 - Outsource Your Content
2 - Outsource An Information Or Software Product
3 - Advertise Using Solo + Google Ads
4 - Build A Large List

You'll see that $8k back in no time!

Yes, it would be definitely worth it if you have a high caliber business. That is the type of coaching that makes people into Internet Superstars.

Personally I have to say I wouldn't pay $8k for group coaching. It's simply not worth it in my humble opinion - sorry.

Only if he taught me how to grow a beard and surf.

At this point in my business, no, I wouldn't pay $8K for a coaching program. But that doesn't mean I don't think it's a fantastic deal for people who are in the right position to take advantage of the offer.

I'm a big believer in learning from people who are a level or two above you, because they're still able to relate to the problems and challenges you're facing without being so far removed from those things themselves. The level that Frank Kern is at and the level that I'm at are so different that, at this point, I don't think his coaching program would be the most efficient use of either of our times.

Maybe, when my business is more sophisticated, it'd be something I'd consider, but for now, I'll stick with less expensive teachers who are closer to my level.