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Spun article uniqueness

by Battra
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Right now it seems that SpinnerChief is the only one that can calculate uniqueness between spun articles. It makes sense, but how important is it?

I spent 2 days rewriting an article including putting in spinnable syntax and for the life of me I can't get acceptable uniqueness between the results when spinning using SC. I have spent another 2 days just tweaking and hitting the spin button and banging my head on the wall.

Should I go on ahead and submit the articles, or keep trying with SC? If I submit these articles, does it mean if someone from an article directory check it through copyscape find that it's a duplicate?

I'm pretty new to IM and frankly I'm starting to lose momentum because of this Sorry for the rant .. I really want to make it work but feel stuck at the moment.
#article #spun #uniqueness
  • Profile picture of the author PhoebeSmellyCat
    Wouldn't it have been more productive to spend those two days just writing your own unique articles?

    I don't know, but I'm not in the 'article spinners' club so someone who has experience with them could give you a better answer. I tried a spinner once and it shot back some really funky worded articles so I never tried it again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Battra
      Phoebe,
      I already have a unique article that I will put on my website, and I need several to be submitted to article directories. Are you saying that I should write unique article for each directory? Because I get the impression from learning about article marketing that I can spin that 1 unique article to get some variations to build backlinks. Is that right?

      Btw I'm writing the spin syntax manually and not just relying on the software to choose the synonyms. But somehow I can't make them unique enough.
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      • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
        Originally Posted by Battra View Post

        Phoebe,
        I already have a unique article that I will put on my website, and I need several to be submitted to article directories. Are you saying that I should write unique article for each directory? Because I get the impression from learning about article marketing that I can spin that 1 unique article to get some variations to build backlinks. Is that right?

        Btw I'm writing the spin syntax manually and not just relying on the software to choose the synonyms. But somehow I can't make them unique enough.
        No you don't need to write a unique article for each directory. Just go ahead and submit the same one, that's called article syndication, but make sure it gets indexed on your site first. What Phoebe meant was write more different articles instead of spending time trying to spin them. Hope you get your momentum back.

        I'm not in the 'article spinning club' either having been on the receiving end of many poor attempts. I just don't believe there is any need for spinning and that most methods do not produce good articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Originally Posted by Battra View Post

    Should I go on ahead and submit the articles, or keep trying with SC? If I submit these articles, does it mean if someone from an article directory check it through copyscape find that it's a duplicate?
    Battra:

    Even if you submitted articles as-is (i.e. unspun, non-unique) to multiple directories, what makes you think they'd care about that?

    EzineArticles, for one, actually encourage people to submit non-unique content to them. They invite people to submit blog posts, articles and so on, that have already been published and indexed on their own sites. Their only requirement is that the content be submitted under an identical author / pen-name as was used elsewhere, for copyright reasons.

    The only widely-known directory that specifically prohibits the submitting of non-unique content is Buzzle. But they're just one directory - so skip them.

    Pretty much every other article directory you can think of does not request unique content, and they don't prohibit non-unique content.

    And if you're submitting to multiple directories mostly for backlinks, there's no benefit to spinning your articles, anyway; backlinks from syndicated articles (i.e. identical articles submitted to multiple sites/directories) count just fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author mlmguru
      [QUOTE=DireStraits;3244913]Battra:

      Even if you submitted articles as-is (i.e. unspun, non-unique) to multiple directories, what makes you think they'd care about that?

      EzineArticles, for one, actually encourage people to submit non-unique content to them. They invite people to submit blog posts, articles and so on, that have already been published and indexed on their own sites. Their only requirement is that the content be submitted under an identical author / pen-name as was used elsewhere, for copyright reasons.

      The only widely-known directory that specifically prohibits the submitting of non-unique content is Buzzle. But they're just one directory - so skip them.

      Pretty much every other article directory you can think of does not request unique content, and they don't prohibit non-unique content.

      Is submitting my blog post to ezinearticles really a good idea? I would hate for the search engines to rank higher for the article over my blog post. Also I would hate for another website to publish my article, and also rank higher than me and get the search engine traffic over my original blog post.

      Is this a reasonable concern, or am I over thinking it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Battra
        Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

        And if you're submitting to multiple directories mostly for backlinks, there's no benefit to spinning your articles, anyway; backlinks from syndicated articles (i.e. identical articles submitted to multiple sites/directories) count just fine.
        In that case, why do people spinning articles? I believe they submit these articles using the same pen name everywhere so what's the benefit of spinning?

        Originally Posted by PatriciaJ View Post

        What Phoebe meant was write more different articles instead of spending time trying to spin them. Hope you get your momentum back.
        Ah I see So you just submit the same article to all the directories?

        And thanks for your encouragement, I have just posted 1 new article on my site today. Hope I can do this every day, at least more than once a week
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        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
          Originally Posted by mlmguru View Post

          Is this a reasonable concern, or am I over thinking it?
          It's a reasonable concern, in some cases, yes. How much of one depends largely on how much "authority" your own site has, and whether your site (and this specific post-page) has enough backlinks pointing to it.

          So long as you're building up your own site, and backlink only to the copies of your articles on your own sites, you shouldn't have a problem with article directories (or any sites republishing your articles from them) outranking you for your own keywords, using your own article.

          Originally Posted by Battra View Post

          In that case, why do people spinning articles? I believe they submit these articles using the same pen name everywhere so what's the benefit of spinning?
          For many reasons - many of which are the result of peoples misguided beliefs.

          The two "main" reasons:

          1) Fear of the "duplicate content penalty" ... which actually doesn't exist. Publishing the same article on multiple sites is content syndication - not content duplication.

          2) People believe that backlinks coming from identical articles count for less than backlinks coming from unique articles. This is also untrue.

          One "genuine" reason for spinning articles in order to make them unique, is for the purpose of trying to fill multiple ranking positions in the SERPs for the same keyword.

          This is harder to do when you're using the same, identical article on multiple sites, because Google likes to present diversity in its search-results: they're not too keen on displaying pages upon pages of the same, or very similar results. This isn't a good experience for the user.

          So people trying to do this usually need to use unique articles ... and spinning is the "easiest" way for them to accomplish this, without manually rewriting each new instance of the article by hand.

          Of course, assuming the original article was of high-quality, the spun versions will usually be less so. And in cases when a "super high-quality spin" is achieved, it probably would've taken the same or a lesser amout of time to have rewritten the article manually, anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Originally Posted by Battra View Post

    Right now it seems that SpinnerChief is the only one that can calculate uniqueness between spun articles. It makes sense, but how important is it?

    I spent 2 days rewriting an article including putting in spinnable syntax and for the life of me I can't get acceptable uniqueness between the results when spinning using SC. I have spent another 2 days just tweaking and hitting the spin button and banging my head on the wall.

    Should I go on ahead and submit the articles, or keep trying with SC? If I submit these articles, does it mean if someone from an article directory check it through copyscape find that it's a duplicate?

    I'm pretty new to IM and frankly I'm starting to lose momentum because of this Sorry for the rant .. I really want to make it work but feel stuck at the moment.
    You can use Dupe Free Pro to calculate uniqueness between any two articles.

    Two days? Not sure what you mean in terms of acceptable uniqueness, though.

    It is easily possible to get uniqueness in the 70% range, and it really should not
    take anything like two days. But you're new, and things are slower when you're
    new.

    If you want to use spun articles, then I suggest you investigate with doing more
    than just merely replacing a couple synonyms in each sentence. Know what I mean?
    What other elements in an article are there? Paragraphs and sentences...

    People do things for their own reasons, and that is their business - as well as yours.

    It seems to me, and it is an assumption, that people who choose to use spun
    content are well aware that 100% home brewed articles based on research at a
    world class university library is the best way to go.


    Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author aj113
    Originally Posted by Battra View Post

    Right now it seems that SpinnerChief is the only one that can calculate uniqueness between spun articles. It makes sense, but how important is it?
    As has been said, it depends on your intended purpose. If you want your articles to appear in the SERPS then clearly that is not going to happen if they are all duplicated.

    People say that there is no duplicate content penalty. It's a matter of semantics. The facts are - no duplicate content appears in SERPS. Try it and check for yourself. Now, call that whatever you want - penalty, supplemantal results - whatever. The fact is that Google actively filters out duplicate content in the SERPS because they (quite rightly) want their users' experience to be of some value. After all, what use is a search that produces 10 pages of exactly the same content?

    I spent 2 days rewriting an article including putting in spinnable syntax and for the life of me I can't get acceptable uniqueness between the results when spinning using SC. I have spent another 2 days just tweaking and hitting the spin button and banging my head on the wall.

    .....
    Now you see how difficult it really is to produce 'multiple unique articles' from the same source. The SC similarity check tells users what they don't want to know - that their articles will NOT be unique from each other if they go ahead and publish them. In fact there are usually a limited number of times that an article can spun so that ALL copies remain unique FROM EACH OTHER.

    So - assuming you have added as many synonyms as possible - continue decreasing the number of copies that you are spinning until you begin to see those percentages drop, you will then be at the maximum level of unique spins for that specific article with those specific synonyms. To give you an idea: if every fourth word in the article has 5 synonyms entered, then probably the maximum number of truly unique copies that can be produced (to pass copyscape) is 5. Selecting 'spin orderly' will ensure this, as it will assign unique synonyms to each article.

    Another way of doing it is to spin only one article per submission. Now this may seem like a lengthy process but if you use SpinnerChief to get your articles, and rewrite them using SC's Reciprocal Super Replace system you can have everything done (scrape/rewrite/submit) in 15 minutes, all from within SC PRO. Not bad, you should be able to churn out 10 articles per day like that - all completely unique.
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    If your time is not worth that much keep doing what your doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Battra
      Thanks everyone for replying. This may sound silly but I sent email to SC support and it turns out that I press the wrong button! Apparently there are 2 ways of calculating uniqueness and I didn't see there's another button and even if I did, I didn't know what it was for. Now I get below 50% for all articles

      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      One "genuine" reason for spinning articles in order to make them unique, is for the purpose of trying to fill multiple ranking positions in the SERPs for the same keyword.

      This is harder to do when you're using the same, identical article on multiple sites, because Google likes to present diversity in its search-results: they're not too keen on displaying pages upon pages of the same, or very similar results. This isn't a good experience for the user.
      That makes sense actually.

      And in cases when a "super high-quality spin" is achieved, it probably would've taken the same or a lesser amout of time to have rewritten the article manually, anyway.
      Two days? Not sure what you mean in terms of acceptable uniqueness, though.
      Writing is not one of my strong suit and it's hard enough for me to re-write it once. Well it took 2 days because I can only work at night after all the kids are in bed, kitchen sink is empty and laundry folded :p So probably 1 - 2 hours per day.

      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

      You can use Dupe Free Pro to calculate uniqueness between any two articles.
      If I spin 10 articles, what SC does is to compare article 1 to 2, 1 to 3, ... 2 to 3, 2 to 4, etc. I can do it manually with DFP but it's a lot of copy paste.

      If you want to use spun articles, then I suggest you investigate with doing more than just merely replacing a couple synonyms in each sentence. Know what I mean? What other elements in an article are there? Paragraphs and sentences...
      That's what I did actually. I first rewrite the sentences 2 - 3 times, and then using few synonyms for the words. I didn't use SC's thesaurus much and definitely didn't use automatic spinning. That's why I got a bit frustrated why I can't get below 50%. But it's sorted now.


      Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

      People say that there is no duplicate content penalty. It's a matter of semantics. The facts are - no duplicate content appears in SERPS. Try it and check for yourself.
      Yep, DireStraits explained the same thing. But there were many times when I search for something and half of Google's first page contained the same article. Not sure why, probably there were not many results for that keywords but I remember thinking "geez, aren't there unique articles on the net nowadays?"

      In fact there are usually a limited number of times that an article can spun so that ALL copies remain unique FROM EACH OTHER.
      That's why I only attempt to spin 20 articles at most, not 100s.

      So - assuming you have added as many synonyms as possible - continue decreasing the number of copies that you are spinning until you begin to see those percentages drop, you will then be at the maximum level of unique spins for that specific article with those specific synonyms.
      When I was still using the wrong button to calculate uniqueness, I couldn't even get good result when spinning only 5 articles. But like I said, Adrian replied to my email and now it's all good.

      using SC's Reciprocal Super Replace system you can have everything done (scrape/rewrite/submit) in 15 minutes, all from within SC PRO. Not bad, you should be able to churn out 10 articles per day like that - all completely unique.
      I haven't tried the SC Pro, maybe I should :-)

      Thanks again everyone!!
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