Insane Month I am Outraged

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I have been building a site of mine for the past year or so. My traffic has continued to increase every single month since I actually started to buckle down and get some work done. The site is now getting over 3000 new visitors a month and will continue to climb.

Now what gets to me though is the site was converting at about 1 for every 200 or so visitors. Yet this month that one site has only made one single sale. That one sale is from about 3000 visitors so far this month. What the heck is going on.

I understand that there are going to be down days and that the market is going to fluctuate. I could see if the site was only getting a few visitors but my god this month has been brutal for all of my sites. Did the economy crash entirely again and I just didn't know. This is normally the time I get the bulk of my sales because of tax returns.

I could also see if only a handful of those visitors where going to my sales page. However out of the 400 some pages this site has indexed. The home page still got over 800 visitors. I could also see if the page didn't convert as well as it was before. But 800 visitors to the main sales page and one single sale just doesn't seem right to me.

It makes me think that clickbank is puling their tricks again. However I did check all of my links and they are all working. I am pretty lost now this site has never had this bad of a month. It really wouldnt be to bad if my others where still making their sales as well. However those have also stopped. Could this be clickbanks playing games again. What are your thoughts.

Sorry about using this as pretty much a ----- fest. I just don't know what to do at the moment. Luckly my adsense isn't doing to bad.
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  • there are many factors, and if we all knew the answers we'd be much better off.

    don't forget too the time of year it is, just after christmas, some of my sites are slower than normal

    i appreciate people are holidaying, people have spent money on christmas presents etc.

    don't give up, just have faith you've got a sale right around the corner.

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    • Profile picture of the author petevamp
      Originally Posted by 60MinuteAffiliate View Post

      there are many factors, and if we all knew the answers we'd be much better off.

      don't forget too the time of year it is, just after christmas, some of my sites are slower than normal

      i appreciate people are holidaying, people have spent money on christmas presents etc.

      don't give up, just have faith you've got a sale right around the corner.

      regards

      colleen
      Oh I took that into consideration as well. However as I stated this site actually makes more sales around this time of year. Simply because it can help them get a better income tax return. Now this time last year the site was only getting maybe 5 visitors a day. Simply because I didn't have time to promote it. Also note that this time last year with those 5 visitors a day it would still have had about 2 sales for the month. Yet from this time last year to now. Both my sales and traffic have been steadily increasing but then it throws me this whopper. I do not expect a few of my sites to pick up for another couple of months yet since they are seasonal sites. But to see almost all of my sales for all of my sites simply stop practically 100%. Thats just crazy if you ask me.
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      • Profile picture of the author iobeek
        Originally Posted by petevamp View Post

        Oh I took that into consideration as well. However as I stated this site actually makes more sales around this time of year.

        Also note that this time last year with those 5 visitors a day it would still have had about 2 sales for the month. Yet from this time last year to now. Both my sales and traffic have been steadily increasing but then it throws me this whopper.
        I have a problem with this.

        Making conclusions with such a tiny amount of data - 2 sales in a month ; 5 visitors a day is not possible.

        Try finding equivalent product somewhere else and you'll see what is going on.
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        • Profile picture of the author petevamp
          Originally Posted by iobeek View Post

          I have a problem with this.

          Making conclusions with such a tiny amount of data - 2 sales in a month ; 5 visitors a day is not possible.

          Try finding equivalent product somewhere else and you'll see what is going on.
          I did not make a conclusing. I am simply stating that this time last year I was only getting 5 visitors a day and made 2 sales in january. Now explain this to me then on how the very next month yes I had a spike in traffic but that same site same product made 20 sales. The traffic though was only strong for about 4 days. Then it was back down to the 5 or so a day.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by petevamp View Post

            I did not make a conclusing. I am simply stating that this time last year I was only getting 5 visitors a day and made 2 sales in january. Now explain this to me then on how the very next month yes I had a spike in traffic but that same site same product made 20 sales. The traffic though was only strong for about 4 days. Then it was back down to the 5 or so a day.
            January could just be a crazy month. Since you really don't have any comparable statistics for this month last year, you should just wait and see how things play out in February.

            Is this massive surge in traffic that you're sending to your site pretty targeted, or does it come from a different source than what you had before?
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  • Profile picture of the author petevamp
    Here is some crazy numbers to think about. This is from the clickbank account I use to promote this site.

    hops 529
    hop form imp 28
    order submits 3
    sales 1

    Now tell me there isnt something going on there. Keep in mind too that those 529 hops are from my 800 homepage visitors. So my site it self is actually converting far better then expected. I think my only other thing to do is quit sending them to the vendors sales page and just send them direct to the orderform. That also means going through and redoing alot of work. Not to mention I know it can be done but I do not know how to create the link to send them direct to the orderform. I have an understanding of how it is done. I just never actually did it my self.
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  • Profile picture of the author bay37
    Seriously could just be a bad month... Trust me - it happens. I'm not saying that there absolutely is nothing wrong - there very well could be - but more likely than not you're just having a bad month.

    I said this before and I'll say it again; if affiliate websites + SEO is your main source of income (or your primary hobby) - make sure you have more than one website and work on multiple websites at all times. Or else you'll go insane when **** like this happens (and it does happen - trust me).
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    • Profile picture of the author petevamp
      Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

      Seriously could just be a bad month... Trust me - it happens. I'm not saying that there absolutely is nothing wrong - there very well could be - but more likely than not you're just having a bad month.

      I said this before and I'll say it again; if affiliate websites + SEO is your main source of income (or your primary hobby) - make sure you have more than one website and work on multiple websites at all times. Or else you'll go insane when **** like this happens (and it does happen - trust me).
      Oh I do I run several websites. But not all of them are affiliate sites. One is a mix affiliate site with one offer but its main goal is adsense. Then I also have amazon sites. All in all I have about 13 sites. The only ones even producing at the moment are the adsense sites. So I am doing good in that department. But everything I was selling physical and or digi has completely stopped selling this month. I have never seen a month like this. Guess the only thing left to do is diversify even more and start building cpa sites/redirects.
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      • Profile picture of the author bay37
        Originally Posted by petevamp View Post

        I have never seen a month like this. Guess the only thing left to do is diversify even more and start building cpa sites/redirects.
        If you were getting regular sales through your other websites - keep building backlinks, etc until you hit positions 1-3 for ALL target keywords. Sales will pick up again. January can be a **** month for sales...

        Good luck!
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        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
          Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

          January can be a **** month for sales...
          I echo that comment.

          This month, so far, has been utterly crap for me.

          Hoping things will pick up, and I don't see any reason why they shouldn't (my income is spread out over a good number of sites, too).

          I suppose it's often the case that January is crap, but I'm wondering if other stuff, like the recent VAT rise, etc, is contributing to this a little, too (a lot of my traffic is from the UK, you see).

          That and I read that the UK economy has contracted by 0.5% over the last quarter, despite economists' predictions it'd have grown by approximately the same figure.

          Who knows. I suppose all of these things play a role to some degree.

          Keep working, and things will (hopefully) pick up. We can't really do anything else, can we?
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        • Profile picture of the author petevamp
          Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

          If you were getting regular sales through your other websites - keep building backlinks, etc until you hit positions 1-3 for ALL target keywords. Sales will pick up again. January can be a **** month for sales...

          Good luck!
          Thats what I have been doing for the most part. But not getting the sales I was getting makes me not want to do anything at all. We will see if things pick up next month. Like I said luckily my adsense really hasnt dropped off any it has actually picked up on several sites this month.

          I still think I am going to work on one cpa though. It would only give me more leverage in the long run. Especially if I can set it up as a redirect and write a ton of articles to submit to eza and the other key players. Just dont want to make any drastic moves until I know I can pay my bills next month which is starting to look grim.

          Its been so bad I was basically forced to go put a job in here at the forum. That didnt go as well as expected either. But what can you do but bust your --- and keep plugin away.
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    • Profile picture of the author suemax
      I agree - don't be too reliant on CB.

      I have a question (apologies if my migraine is affecting my understanding!). You show us the clicks on the Clickbank stats. Sales are very low. For me, it has GOTTA be something affecting the actual sales page. You are getting a higher CTR, but they are NOT buying! Must be either a change in the sales page or some negative criticism of the ultimate vendor. I'd say look at that.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by suemax View Post

        I agree - don't be too reliant on CB.

        I have a question (apologies if my migraine is affecting my understanding!). You show us the clicks on the Clickbank stats. Sales are very low. For me, it has GOTTA be something affecting the actual sales page. You are getting a higher CTR, but they are NOT buying! Must be either a change in the sales page or some negative criticism of the ultimate vendor. I'd say look at that.
        A consistent (or higher) CTR but with less sales isn't necessarily an indication of any changes to the sales-page or the vendor's reputation, suemax. It could be that people just aren't in a buying - only a browsing - mindset.

        Depends on which CTR you're referring to, though. I expect the order-page CTR (and conversion, of course) will be lower if people are less intent on making a purchase right now, but a CTR from your affiliate site to the sales-page won't necessarily drop. People still like to browse and make decisions, even if they're not in a position to act on them right away.

        Being short of cash doesn't stop me from browsing and researching all the stuff I want/need to buy, but it sure as heck stops me from proceeding with the purchase.

        Case in point: My AdSense CTR is only marginally lower than normal, but the average EPC is much lower, which explains my reduced earnings. There's a reason advertisers are bidding/paying less, I expect, and that's probably because their own conversion rates have dropped. They (or Google, on their behalf) have had to adjust the CPCs accordingly to counter this effect and maintain a good ROI.

        This is all just speculation, of course.
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        • Profile picture of the author suemax
          For sure it's just speculation, BUT this is a sudden change to an existing scenario. Population of eyeballs that view it cannot surely change that quickly from buyers to only-browsers.
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        • Profile picture of the author petevamp
          Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post


          Case in point: My AdSense CTR is only marginally lower than normal, but the average EPC is much lower, which explains my reduced earnings. There's a reason advertisers are bidding/paying less, I expect, and that's probably because their own conversion rates have dropped. They (or Google, on their behalf) have had to adjust the CPCs accordingly to counter this effect and maintain a good ROI.

          This is all just speculation, of course.
          No I have been noticing that too for the most part. My ctr has jumped conciderably on my adsense sites but the actual payouts on those clicks have also falling off pretty well too. Sites that normally bring me in 3-4 clicks are only bringing in maybe 1 clicks. But I have managed to increase both my ctr and the amount earned despite the drop in payouts for those clicks.
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        • Profile picture of the author bay37
          Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

          A consistent (or higher) CTR but with less sales isn't necessarily an indication of any changes to the sales-page or the vendor's reputation, suemax. It could be that people just aren't in a buying - only a browsing - mindset.
          My thoughts exactly. This is why petevamp isn't seeing a big drop in his Adsense earnings. People are in a browsing mindset. Clicking on Adsense ads - browsing. Purchasing stuff from Amazon or CB - now that's spending actual $$.

          Your Amazon/CB earnings depend entirely on the number of items sold.

          Depending on what niches you're in with your Adsense websites you could see a slight dip or even an increase in your EPCs and CTRs...
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      • Profile picture of the author petevamp
        Originally Posted by suemax View Post

        I agree - don't be too reliant on CB.

        I have a question (apologies if my migraine is affecting my understanding!). You show us the clicks on the Clickbank stats. Sales are very low. For me, it has GOTTA be something affecting the actual sales page. You are getting a higher CTR, but they are NOT buying! Must be either a change in the sales page or some negative criticism of the ultimate vendor. I'd say look at that.
        I actually split tested the heck out of the different vendors more that niche product. It was the only one that was converting like crazy from adwords. I think I went through 6 or seven different products. Wound up buying just about all of them just to see the difference of them. Then built my page around that information. I then took it a little bit further and choose to take the lower priced of the top converting pages and maid it my top product. Which in turn was also the best converting page. So it stuck since then. Thanks to google though we can no longer promote affiliate sites through adwords. Atleast I have not been able to for the past couple of years or so now. Just ccan not figure out their new system to get my pages to list on them.

        I tried with an amazon site I built. I also tried with a affiliate review site. The only ones I can keep and hold my spots for are with my adsense sites and that there just aint gonna happen. I refuse to promote an adsense site through adwords. I would lose more than I would get back month after month after month if I did that.
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  • Profile picture of the author wanna-succeed
    Originally Posted by petevamp View Post

    It makes me think that clickbank is puling their tricks again. Could this be clickbanks playing games again. What are your thoughts.

    What is that about?
    Sorry to be asking a something that seems to be common knowledge to everyone but, what kind of games does Clickbank play?:confused:
    I recently placed my first CB product on my site, should I be worried about something?
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    • Profile picture of the author petevamp
      Originally Posted by wanna-succeed View Post

      What is that about?
      Sorry to be asking a something that seems to be common knowledge to everyone but, what kind of games does Clickbank play?:confused:
      I recently placed my first CB product on my site, should I be worried about something?
      Every now and again clickbank removes the affiliates ids. It is not a huge number of people they do this with. If you are just starting out with clickbank then you should not have any problems. Its normally not until you start getting a good number of sales that they start doing this. I only notice my self every now and again. But the last time they did it to me I went 3 months without a sale. Luckly all my other sites where selling at that time. I can not say for sure that they do this entirely but it has been said and rumored that they do it quite often. If I didn't like their service so well I might actually switch to another vender.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    i share your frustration. i set up 2 sites a couple of weeks ago, performed some SEO and got a couple of sales. since then I've massively upscaled my efforts, getting more targeted traffic, and I haven't had a sale in about 9 days.

    Buying trends are so unpredictable.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Well if it helps, my december/january sales were horrible also. For years we already have that debate whether CB plays some kind of tricks or whether there are technical issues at play - problem only, we will hardly ever know. I *personally* dont believe there are such issues...its really just bad luck, people being broke after xmas, new year new bills etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author petevamp
    LOL just noticed one of my main adsense sites is doing the google dance now. It went from the number one spot for its main keyword term to off the map. LOL thats alright it will be back for the peak of its season.

    Edited: WOW Really Fell Off its sitting on page 7 now for the exact term.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bannaz
    January is a funny month. You mention that you have been building your site for a year or so - do you have results for last Jan to compare conversions?
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    • Profile picture of the author petevamp
      Originally Posted by Bannaz View Post

      January is a funny month. You mention that you have been building your site for a year or so - do you have results for last Jan to compare conversions?
      Not really cause at this time last year the site was only getting a tops of 5 visitors a day. I drove the site from 5 a day to over 100 a day. Thats a pretty steady number considering saterday is actually the slowest day because of all the drinkers recovering. But the numbers are steady and continue to increase month after month.

      So no i do not have any real numbers to go by from last year because the traffic to this site where very very dismal. I did have a really good month from it in febuary though. I think it netted 20 or so sales for the month of febuary. Those sales also came from a press release that I never submitted. Someone actually picked up one of my articles and submitted it to prudent press agency. So their was actually a big spike in visitors at that time too.

      However the sales did stick for months to come. Those 2o sales where also for one product alone. As is the stats I pasted above.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Harvey
    Well if it's any consolation...finding jobs in this month is just as tough.

    I think a lot of businesses online an offline are suffering this month.
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  • Profile picture of the author ajetayo
    Seriously, it could be a bad month as some warriors are pointing. For instance, I sold a heck of amazon products last month - there was a day I sold 7 items. December really rocked with sales but I have only sold 6 items this month with an average of 40 refferals every day. Don't sweat it....it'll pick up

    That's why it's always good to have multiple streams, u said yourself that your adsense isn't doing too bad
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
      You gotta try and get on the cpa trail as a way of diversifying your earnings. Being able to make money be not even 'selling' things is a great way to supplement yourself during tough months. Do some content lockdown type sites and find some risk free trial offers to easily rank for on google and you can start seeing the money flow in real quick. Clickbank products can at times have awful conversion rates but your stats are strange. It it continues then I'd definitely say they're up to their tricks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TPFLegionaire
    I have read somewhere that sometime, established CB accounts stop converting , whether or not this is due to CB playing games , we'll never know, but the solution proposed was to create a new CB account, might be worth a shot and is not too onerous to implement if you only have one site.
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    • Profile picture of the author petevamp
      Originally Posted by TPFLegionaire View Post

      I have read somewhere that sometime, established CB accounts stop converting , whether or not this is due to CB playing games , we'll never know, but the solution proposed was to create a new CB account, might be worth a shot and is not too onerous to implement if you only have one site.
      I have actually been thinging about doing that. The only thing that stops me from doing so is I like the direct deposit. SO by creating a new account again I would have to wait till I get a few checks under my belt before I could have it set back up that way. I am thinking about it though just to see if this may be a factor.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by petevamp View Post

        I have actually been thinging about doing that. The only thing that stops me from doing so is I like the direct deposit. SO by creating a new account again I would have to wait till I get a few checks under my belt before I could have it set back up that way. I am thinking about it though just to see if this may be a factor.
        Which do you prefer more, having the ability to accept direct deposit, or selling stuff? If your current account has been corrupted for some reason and isn't making sales, there isn't going to be anything to direct deposit. All you have to do is change it for a few days to see if it makes a difference. If it doesn't, switch back. If it does, and sales pick up...well, it's a no-brainer.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          Which do you prefer more, having the ability to accept direct deposit, or selling stuff? If your current account has been corrupted for some reason and isn't making sales, there isn't going to be anything to direct deposit. All you have to do is change it for a few days to see if it makes a difference. If it doesn't, switch back. If it does, and sales pick up...well, it's a no-brainer.
          This.

          Plus, how hard is it really to make 5 or 6 sales? Just direct some traffic from another site to that hoplink too and get the initial requirements met. If you were just starting out or something like that, I could see why it might be a concern, but from your posts, it seems like you're doing alright.
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          • Profile picture of the author petevamp
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            This.

            Plus, how hard is it really to make 5 or 6 sales? Just direct some traffic from another site to that hoplink too and get the initial requirements met. If you were just starting out or something like that, I could see why it might be a concern, but from your posts, it seems like you're doing alright.
            I am not saying that I wil not do this I am just saying that I prefer the direct diposit. I have actually set up a new account to use as a test to see if this is the case. But before I convert the thousands of links to this new account I want to make sure that this is in fact the case. So you can say it really is not the problem of direct deposit but all the extra work it will cause me to switch out ids.

            Plus I never really used the old method to create the ids I always used their new linking structure. So this would take me hours to fix if it is in fact the case. But I have set up a new cb account to use as a test and have the first post with these new links going live in a few short hours from now. Plus I am going to convert a few of the eza article links to this new affiliate.

            I do not think I am going to switch my home page at this time though. Who knows though I may start switching them one at a time when I have the extra time available.
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  • Profile picture of the author alcymart
    When I was a Clickbank affiliate, and had those very bad months, I knew something was wrong and started investigating. Turns out, my sales were being stolen by a hacker. I don't know if Clickbank fixed some things since then, I hope so for you.....

    There are criminals out there. I would investigate that bad month you had deeper to find the real cause. It looks very suspicious.

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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Could be time of year (though weight loss and other products which could be new year's resolutions work well this time of year!), could be many things.

    Are you do any split-testing and trying a different but similar product to see if it's just your affiliate product that's not converting? Try and see if you can test a different offer to see if it starts converting better.

    That's one thing you could do, anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Pete, something you said early on caught my eye. You said something about sales being related to tax refunds...

      If so, January is likely to be a crap month for you. Most people haven't even received W2 forms, much less filed returns. If memory serves, US companies have until sometime in February to distribute W2s, and many wait until late January.

      I wouldn't worry too much, much less get "outraged", unless things fail to pick up again in February and especially March. That's when the tax refund season seems to get into full swing...
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Plus, think of all the people getting their credit card bills right now and saying

    "OMG I spent that much money in December?!"

    I know I did when my wife told me our credit card bill :-/
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  • Profile picture of the author eshber
    I think it may just be because everyone has spent so much money during Christmas and the New Year sales. Maybe you'll start seeing your results at the end of this month, beginning of next?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ian Varnava
    This is how you can link directly to a CB vendor's order page:

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    http://clickbank.net/sell.cgi?YOUR-AFF-ID_MERCHANT-ID/ProductNumber/ProductName
    Obviously you wanna test it out to make sure it's working properly and showing your name as the affiliate on the bottom of the order page.
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  • Profile picture of the author NateRivers
    Kind of like when they found out of bunch of Full Tilt employees were playing with customers and they could see everyone's cards.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrsparrow
    I've been having similar issues.

    I have a site promoting a clickbank product and over the last year my conversion rate was roughly 1%. But as of December the conversion rate plummeted. Now I've had about 1000 hop clicks and not even one measly sale...dude wtf?

    I'm seriously considering staying away from clickbank...amazon, adsense or other affiliate networks seem to be a much safer source of income.
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  • Profile picture of the author homeworkin
    I make a significant portion of my money from my retail sites. January is usually a better month in the niche I am in, since my products are not so much gift ideas as necessities. December is usually not great, January is usually a nice pick-up in sales. So far, this year is not following the trend - and I am hearing the same from others in my niche. Also seeing sales down in other sites.

    So, I would test the new CB account but also consider that this month is not going as well for many as they had hoped.
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  • Profile picture of the author linklover
    The recession is NOT over.
    Google is dancing all over the place these past few weeks.
    Last night my sites disappeared off the map.
    Go figure.
    Link building continues...
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  • Profile picture of the author darkwizgemz
    A friend of mine have experienced the same thing and yeah once again as what we've think, they're playing tricks.
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      • Profile picture of the author alfrescoid
        Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

        That is an amazing detailed and well explained contribution thank you so much.
        Heh, you are right, Norb...puts your ill-thought-out and shallow comments to shame
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          • Profile picture of the author alfrescoid
            Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

            Feel free to go back a page, guess you like sig bait. I agree I can be tough but also admit when wrong have a read at my recent posts and feel free to reach out to the dude I offended recently ask him what I did for him behind the scenes...

            Anyway I read and absorbed, thx.
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            I think you misunderstood...my comment was *sarcasm*.

            The almost entirely meaningless comment made by the poster following your detailed and knowledgeable post was almost comical.

            I was complimenting you!

            Regards,
            Mike
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    Solution: Have your own product
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Ross
    I would send Clickbank an email today explaining what's going on.

    I had a problem where I wasn't getting any sales for weeks so I sent them an email and within a few hours a sale pops up.

    Their tracking is far from perfect but I always get the feeling something else might be going on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    If you have any doubts about clickbank, then:

    sell your own products

    on your own site

    with your own merchant account.


    Then you can't blame anyone else except yourself etc.

    Also you won't hold back on your marketing as you won't have nagging doubts about whether clickbank are kicking you in the @%*! or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    Clickbank?

    Set up a new clickbank account, and switch out affiliate links.

    See what that does and report back here.

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  • Profile picture of the author vrobinson57
    Keep reviewing and update site with new features and do more keyword research. Perhaps the visitors are not getting what they are looking for.
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  • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
    My 2 cents on it is this: do you really want to use Clickbank? I am not hating or saying anything negative it is just that some sites "click" with some and some don't. You have to go with your vibe on it.

    i.e. some love Paypal others love powerpay....tomato tomahto
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

      My 2 cents on it is this: do you really want to use Clickbank? I am not hating or saying anything negative it is just that some sites "click" with some and some don't. You have to go with your vibe on it.

      i.e. some love Paypal others love powerpay....tomato tomahto
      I don't really understand this.

      Whether your site "converts" and makes sales has everything to do with your traffic, your pre-selling strategy/effectiveness and the sales-page of the product you're promoting - as well as the product itself, obviously.

      Clickbank is just a retailer - a middle man - and doesn't really have any bearing on anything (unless some of your potential customers are prejudiced towards them, and object to buying through them - which I think would be unlikely?).

      So, barring any technical (i.e. tracking) issues, I don't see how whether you "use Clickbank" or anyone else can really make a difference, if you'd be promoting the same product(s)?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
        Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

        I don't really understand this.

        Whether your site "converts" and makes sales has everything to do with your traffic, your pre-selling strategy/effectiveness and the sales-page of the product you're promoting - as well as the product itself, obviously.

        Clickbank is just a retailer - a middle man - and doesn't really have any bearing on anything (unless some of your potential customers are prejudiced towards them, and object to buying through them - which I think would be unlikely?).

        So, barring any technical (i.e. tracking) issues, I don't see how whether you "use Clickbank" or anyone else can really make a difference, if you'd be promoting the same product(s)?

        Oh it can make a HUGE difference.

        Example: If your demographic is people over 50, then taking orders over the phone can have a dramatic upswing in sales.

        If you are a war room member, go read E. Brian Rose's 10 page, 1/2 million dollar business. He mentions taking phone orders because that is the demographic.


        Certain demographics are trained to use certain check out methods. WSO's and IM niche is an example: Paypal is king.

        I've done a few experiments and cutting paypal lost me 30% total sales. That sucks in the long run.


        So yes, the checkout method, the middle man can make a HUGE difference.

        Rob
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