When Can Honesty in Marketing Get in the Way?

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Hey Warriors!

Yesterday a couple of people contacted me about 2 different situations so I wanted to share a little discussion about when being honest can hurt your income.

And before I start, let's say I'm not endorsing LYING, either. Just what you advertise up front is the issue...

1.) Health issues - unless it's a firesale for a WSO where people are raising money for a catastrophic illness, it's sometimes best NOT to talk about this up front - especially if you're a service provider.

Saying you have surgeries, are in and out of the hospital, etc., won't make a business owner hire you in MOST situations - it'll make them worry that you might miss deadlines or give them excuses since even health service providers sometimes USE those excuses over and over again when they lie about their late deliverables.

So instead of saying in your ad anything about doing this service because of this and that health problem, think of what the customer wants to know - things like:

-how long have you been doing this?
-how good at it are you?
-what niches do you specialize in?
-why is your price better in terms of value than your competitors?

2.) Country of origin/1st language - another person from India contacted me saying they're certainly not ashamed of where they're from, but hesitate in advertising that they're from there - because many marketers would probably try to get them to charge less. He's probably right!

And right or wrong, it's something we see a lot - so why put it in your bid? If they ask, fine! I wouldn't hide it, but wouldn't advertise it, either. No need to give them a reason to try to get you to lower your bid.

He also worried about English not being his native language. And let me tell you this person's language was FAR superior to mine. VERY fluent. VERY upscale. So why disclose it? If the marketer specifically said "English as a 1st language," then I would recommend just posting a bid saying that although you know 3 languages, you're proficient/fluent in English and post samples so that you put their mind at ease that your writing will result in major revisions.

I guess I'm skeptical. I remember transcribing a seminar for a top marketer and hearing him teach everyone the tactics he used to get me to whittle my prices. Now, I try to help everyone recognize the elements that might give them ammunition against them.

Again, don't lie - just maybe don't put certain things in the original bid/ad. If asked, always be honest and if, for instance, they say something like, "shouldn't your rates be lower since you're from India?" respond with something like, "Ghostwriting is a global service now, so the rates don't vary for top quality across the board much - only in the level of expertise that you invest in."

Tiff
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Hi Tiff,

    Excellent points.

    I like to call it "relevant honesty". For example, disclosing your health up front probably isn't relevant, but if you are suddenly stricken with something that will delay delivery, then it becomes relevant and should be disclosed.

    And, just like you, I'm not saying people should lie, but rather to make sure that their "honesty" is relevant to the situation.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author JesseGuthrie
    Tiffany - In only hopes that people are honest and upfront, the marketing world has started to shift, and I only hope that it gets better! I always am upfront, and want to keep it that way. Again, my parents always told me honesty is the best policy.!!
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  • Profile picture of the author 2ndopkate
    Hey Tiff

    I recently had someone tell me that they couldn't do something because of a personal issue. They were late to do some work on my home and I called to see what the problem was. That's when they told me they had a problem. I was totally bugged. If they had called and told me in advance that they had a problem, then I would have only been half-bugged. I know this isn't the exact same issue you are describing, but when in business, you have to present a confident front. Your buyer has to believe you'll do the job. As for the person from India. This is a stall. Get out there and put your price down. Set up a website and show examples of your work. Get on Odesk, Elance,etc and start bidding. In the past I've had awful content come back to me from India, the Philippines and the US. I also had a wonderful writer from India. There's lots of work out there, set yourself up to get good pay for good work.

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    Kater
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Tiff, the thing that keeps coming to mind on this isn't really a matter of honesty, it's a matter of relevance.

      Like the casual acquaintance that insists on sharing graphic details of their love life - during lunch.

      It's TMI - Too Much Information...

      As for your contact from India, I apply the same approach that I do to spun articles. If someone takes enough time and care that I can't tell the spun article from the original, I don't care if it's spun. So don't tell me...
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    If you suck as a writer, and you are honest about it, who is gonna pay you for writing?

    LOL

    All information should be offered on a need-to-know basis.

    For example, if the guy from India put up a dot com, instead of a dot co dot in website, and presented his skills as someone able to write for an American audience, and his website represented that fact, then it does not matter if he is from India or not. His work speaks for itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      If you suck as a writer, and you are honest about it, who is gonna pay you for writing?

      LOL

      All information should be offered on a need-to-know basis.

      For example, if the guy from India put up a dot com, instead of a dot co dot in website, and presented his skills as someone able to write for an American audience, and his website represented that fact, then it does not matter if he is from India or not. His work speaks for itself.
      Ditto Bill and LOL at his point about sucky writers. There really are some atrocious writers out there that are from the US. I come across them every day in my line of work. As long as you are capable of doing the work, are fluent and grammatically correct, you shouldn't have to disclose your language or country of origin. It's like saying I can't write for an American audience because I'm from the UK and don't know about correct usage, grammar and spelling. Ridiculous. Sell yourself and your talents. No one should be coercing you into lower rates because you don't speak and write like an Oxford scholar.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        India is a pretty big place with a lot of different cultural groups living there. In some parts of India, peoplelearn English as their first language. And in lots of parts of india, folks speak two or threee languages, just because that is how it is. But none of those languages are American English.

        Sometimes this might make a difference and sometimes not so much.

        I'm thinking that a bid that offers a sample is a good idea. Admittedly, my own personal ideas about deciding that a person should be treated a certain way based on where they live is extremely unappealing to me.

        What I mean is that just becasue someone is from "India" they should be expected to work for less than someone from "Massachusetts" or "Queensland" is an idea that is ugly at best and at worst, the most obnoxious kind of prejudice.

        I think Tiffany and others are correct in saying (paraphrasing here) that enough honesty up front is good, an overabundance of honesty often does help make the sale so much.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      If you suck as a writer, and you are honest about it, who is gonna pay you for writing?
      Dang it. I was going to write that.

      Pleez hyer meez ta du yer ryttin fer u. Me ain't tooz gud but me iz cheepy cheepy like. K?
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