You fail at IM for the same reason you do in World of Warcraft...lol

by CatherineC Banned
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No laughing, but when I think about the ways IM registers in my brain it really does trigger a lot of the same risk/reward/satisfaction/frustration that playing World of Warcraft does.

You start out in both as a very low-level noob, who has to flood the available message boards and chat channels with idiotic and inane questions that when you look back later on are embarrassed that you didn't know the answers to...

Once you have a basic handle on the challenge, you develop your plan, which in WoW's case is your "build", i.e. your skill trees, your specific version of how you want to succeed as you rise.

In IM your build is your Sales Funnel.

You map out every little detail, even though you're still low-level and haven't really mastered everything yet, but you've read enough strategy guides (WSOs) and board posts from high level veterans (gurus) that you've gained a ton of knowledge.

Your build (sales funnel) is set, your leveling plan is in place (marketing method), and you have visions of all that sweet sweet sweet Epic armor and gear (Mercedes, House Payment, etc) that you just know your unique and special billy-badass build (sales-funnel) will get you once you work your way up to a high-level player (guru).

So you log in to the game and start playing (marketing), and are beset by setbacks early on like:
- Getting killed fast because you attacked an area that was too tough for your inexperienced character (PPC).

- Not leveling up as fast as you'd like, along with confusion about leveling in general (SEO).

- Not being able to do the high-level raids you'd like to because you're too low level, but where you know the REAL success takes place (LIVE IM SEMINARS).

- And worst of all, second-guessing your build because of your lack of perceived speedy leveling (second-guessing your marketing method).

This of course leads to you thinking "well I'd be doing better if I had a different build, I bet I'd be level 60 by now...I'm going to read another strategy guide and start-over"...

Which of course is the same as giving in to the devil and heading back to the WSO section of the board looking for that magic bullet.

Now after you do this around a half-dozen times (starting-over due to not believing what you're doing will get you to your goal fast enough) you finally have the awakening:

- There is no effortless fast way to get to level 80 (famous IM guru), where the sweet gear ($$$) can be found.

Instead you realize it is one big, giant, constant, endless GRIND.

A "grind" in WoW is basically killing endless boring creatures in the game hundreds of thousands of times to get your character higher in level. It is awful and boring 90% of the time, but unavoidable for the most part.

In IM a grind is whatever your marketing method is, whether it's articles, blogs, software, facebook, whatever.

And holy $%#* what a grind both of them are, regardless of it's WoW or IM!!

And that's why so many people give up and quit...at both.

Ironically, in WoW you wind up wishing you could just afford to give this grinding task to a Chinese gold-farmer to speed up your pace...which of course is the same in IM as we often wish we had the funds to give to someone to make hundreds of blogs or articles or whatever for via outsourcing, lol.

In reality both are cheats, not in the game, but to your own development or knowledge. If you don't grind at the beginning you won't have the knowledge when you need it most, once you DO have a little success.

Anyway, the point of this long post is that until you're willing to:

1. Pick your preferred marketing method

and

2. Commit to sticking with it for enough time that you not only master it but have given it a chance to succeed, you're not going to ever get to that high level glory you seek.

Just get in the game, get to work, and stop reading the message boards. Stop buying strategy guides that promise a faster way.

Just figure out a tried-and-true marketing method that has worked for years, test it until it has a little success, then expand.

That's it really.

Oh and PS: Uninstall World of Warcraft from your PC. Because there are only 24 hours in the day and you can't do both!
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  • Profile picture of the author JanG
    That is indeed a perfect analogy. Thank you for writing this down, it was a very entertaining and insightful read.
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    • I think there is one huge difference though. It is much more rewarding in the beginning to play WOW

      Otherwise we would have millions upon millions of successful internet marketers which in itself actually is impossible. (Yeah I know internet is huge but a limit does exist anyway)
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      • Profile picture of the author CatherineC
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        Originally Posted by Andre Hegge View Post

        I think there is one huge difference though. It is much more rewarding in the beginning to play WOW
        Haha true.

        The real mentally tough part of WoW doesn't hit you until you're around level 15-20...when you realize just how far away you are from level 60+, and how much time it's going to take to get there!

        I think Blizzard has said previously that's where most players who quit as first-timers are located. Similar to the end of your first month in IM.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          I'm playing a similar game, Sorcery Quest, and it's taken me over 6 months
          to get my characters to level 400 plus.

          The parallels to IM are numerous to say the least. In short, I took my time,
          took on the easy creatures and didn't move on until I knew I had a good
          chance to tackle the big guns. When I would suffer a setback (creatures
          too tough) I'd simply fall back to the easier level and keep building my
          party.

          Eventually, I'll be able to conquer the whole kingdom.

          It will just take time.

          FYI - yours was my favorite post here in quite some time. Thanks for
          what I consider a great analogy.
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          • Profile picture of the author CatherineC
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            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            The parallels to IM are numerous to say the least. In short, I took my time,
            took on the easy creatures and didn't move on until I knew I had a good
            chance to tackle the big guns. When I would suffer a setback (creatures
            too tough) I'd simply fall back to the easier level and keep building my
            party.
            That says it all, well put!
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            In short, I took my time, took on the easy creatures and didn't move on until I knew I had a good chance to tackle the big guns.
            My strategy is more like racing immediately into the dragon's treasure chamber and leaping on its back with a poisoned dagger - hoping for the one-in-a-million combination of surprise, critical hit, and a missed saving throw.

            Of course, more often than not, I just die and have to start over.

            But when it happens... MAN! What a story! I'll be a legend! Nobody will remember "He jumped from the ledge, fell on his face, and the beast et him." They'll forget all about that. They'll just remember the GOOD story.

            "Without a thought for his own safety, he raced headlong into the cave and leapt upon the mighty wyrm's back - expertly plunging his tiny blade through its armour to insinuate the deadly poison directly into its black and wicked heart! It gave a mighty roar, and thrashed madly as it fell..."
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            • Profile picture of the author CatherineC
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              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              But when it happens... MAN! What a story! I'll be a legend! Nobody will remember "He jumped from the ledge, fell on his face, and the beast et him." They'll forget all about that. They'll just remember the GOOD story.
              ...but you may wind up as the Leeroy Jenkins type of legend (google it)
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              • Profile picture of the author Jelle Kaldenbach
                First of all: thanks for this amazing thread and thanks for the giggle .

                Second of all: Am I the only one who screamed "LEEEROOOOOOOY JEEENKIIIINS" in my head while reading his name here?

                Originally Posted by CatherineC View Post

                ...but you may wind up as the Leeroy Jenkins type of legend (google it)
                May just be me....

                ~Jelle
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                • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                  Hi Catherine C,

                  Some of us have known this for a while.

                  I gave up wasting money on fruit machines as a youngster by realising that I simply enjoyed trying to beat 'the machine.'

                  I switched that instinct over to playing computer games for a while. Then I realised that paying to challenge the machine as well as wasting time challenging the machine for virtual (non-physical) reward is part of the progression towards getting paid to beat the machine.

                  The next step is to monetise others who enjoy trying to beat my machine.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            I'm playing a similar game, Sorcery Quest, and it's taken me over 6 months
            to get my characters to level 400 plus.
            Steven,

            I don't know how you do it. I went and checked out that Sorcery Quest game and the graphics was horrendous. I hate flash games.

            Check out Everquest 2, they are letting people basically play the game for FREE up to their latest release.

            EverQuest II Free-to-Play - Official Fantasy MMORPG Website

            You start playing Everquest 2 and you will forget about Sorcery Quest.

            Later,
            Terry
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    • Profile picture of the author suemax
      Originally Posted by JanG View Post

      That is indeed a perfect analogy. Thank you for writing this down, it was a very entertaining and insightful read.
      I agree presactly, even though I've never tried WoW!

      You are soooo right - especially the "starting again" with another strategy.

      But I have a question! What's the way to decipher the difference between following the wrong path... and in following the right path? How can you tell wrong from right, whilst you are still en route to the finish line?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    This sat well with the gamer in me.

    Thanks!

    Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author daangertenaar
    Games like WOW are definitely good trainers, I used to play RS for 5 years, but I did achieve my long term goals with up's and down's!

    What I want to say is, if you really want to achieve something, you'll reach it.. and no it's not easy on a game either.
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  • Profile picture of the author CatherineC
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    Maybe we should write an eBook:

    "Everything I ever needed to learn about life...or Internet Marketing...I learned from World of Warcraft".
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    • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
      LOL! I enjoyed reading this. Very creative. Thank you...
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  • Profile picture of the author Orator
    Catherine it alarms me that this post was written not by a smelly 21 year college geek.. but by you. It's also quite frankly one of the coolest things I've read all month, and that is saying something.

    Your correct of course to about the grind.. it really is just a grind. The end result though is a lot more impressive then a level 40 paladin.
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  • Profile picture of the author NateRivers
    Good analogy.

    When I read this, the thing that comes to mind is the idea that a person can get very good at something very quickly if they do it everyday.

    Learning to play a complex video game like WOW or COD is actually pretty hard, but people get good very quickly because they put in a few hours a day....

    If most newbies simply replaced their gaming/tv/inane activities with a few hours of pure work everyday, they would get good at this pretty quick...
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    • Profile picture of the author CatherineC
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      Originally Posted by NateRivers View Post

      Good analogy.

      When I read this, the thing that comes to mind is the idea that a person can get very good at something very quickly if they do it everyday.

      Learning to play a complex video game like WOW or COD is actually pretty hard, but people get good very quickly because they put in a few hours a day....

      If most newbies simply replaced their gaming/tv/inane activities with a few hours of pure work everyday, they would get good at this pretty quick...
      Reminds me of the "10,000 hours" quote we're hearing a lot, which I think came from the Outliers book...which basically says if you put 10,000 hours into anything you'll become an expert at it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Welsh Warrior
        Originally Posted by CatherineC View Post

        Reminds me of the "10,000 hours" quote we're hearing a lot, which I think came from the Outliers book...which basically says if you put 10,000 hours into anything you'll become an expert at it.
        You should read a book called 'The Talent Code' which challenges that, by showing how 'deep training' can dramatically shorten the time to learn new skills. It probably agrees with most principles of the 10,000 hours concept though.

        A fascinating book I would recommend to anyone. I got lucky as I picked up from a charity shop when I was in NZ and my Kindle broke!
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    • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
      Originally Posted by NateRivers View Post

      Good analogy.

      When I read this, the thing that comes to mind is the idea that a person can get very good at something very quickly if they do it everyday.

      Learning to play a complex video game like WOW or COD is actually pretty hard, but people get good very quickly because they put in a few hours a day....

      If most newbies simply replaced their gaming/tv/inane activities with a few hours of pure work everyday, they would get good at this pretty quick...
      This is very true, 3 hours a day on something and over a year you've put in 1,095 hours.

      Even if you only improve 1% a day, you'll be over 37 times better in one year because of the compounding effect (1.01^365 = 37.78)
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  • Profile picture of the author daangertenaar
    Well, your right I play a tactical race game on the xbox 360 a few hours each day, and I win 9 times out of 10. It makes me feel that I can achieve things if I really want to, it's just a game but it's very good for training.
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  • Profile picture of the author TPFLegionaire
    Reminds me that one of the reason I do IM is that I will have enough money and income available to play Diablo 3 when it comes out!

    Disclaimer:This statement has not been read or approved by she who must be obeyed...
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    • Profile picture of the author CatherineC
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      Originally Posted by TPFLegionaire View Post

      Reminds me that one of the reason I do IM is that I will have enough money and income available to play Diablo 3 when it comes out!
      So true!!!

      Hopefully it will hit the market this year, I've had a Diablo III desktop shot for 2 years now! :p
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  • Profile picture of the author CatherineC
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    God I hope it's on track, I'll be depressed if Diablo 3 is delayed...I wants my precious!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Miles Kral
    IM is the same as any other business. Anyone trying to start a business and expecting instant results (gratification) will be very disappointed. I have started three companies in the past 15 years and I have never seen instant success, I wish I had, I would be living on some tropical island by now.

    Here's a little analogy I like for those of you who are fellow parents. Having your own business is like having the neediest most frustrating child ever and it will never grow up. But you love it anyway.

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    This is full of win.
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    • Profile picture of the author marcuslim
      Though I haven't played WOW myself, I can see that in both IM and gaming, it takes time to master something. The dog-headed persistence in seeing something through over the long haul is a key attribute to success in both. We live in an age where instant gratification is king, but the real winners are those who are able to see things through to the end.
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      • Profile picture of the author alg
        Nice analogy. And makes one to think.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Catherine, the only thing I know about WoW (besides the acronym), is that Mr. T is just as ugly as a game character as he is as an actor or infomercial pitchman...

        But even I followed your analogy. Good job.

        But most of the rest of this thread might as well be in Martian. :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    dang! that bold is like seeing two old ladies walk down the street with purple and pink hair.

    Stands out like dogs B**** lol.

    and that font....eerrkkkk!
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  • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
    Fantastic analogy Catherine, very creative. As a Wow (ex?) player I see a lot of similarities, real and imagined, between the game and life. I'm pretty sure my Wow journey has reached it's end though as I can't bring myself to log in and haven't for 3 or 4 weeks now. It's like I've squeezed all the fun out of the game and life has become much more colourful again despite it's ups-and-downs. I can't wait to see what the next big MMO will be post-Wow. I'm kind of hoping for something Bladerunner-style.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    Well, I need a be honest… I was going to come in here and make fun of you :-)

    But, he made some very great points.

    It was a great read and I can definitely see the parallels. Now, if I could just take some of my skill sets from Call of Duty Black Ops I would be able to get rid of spammers pretty easily.

    Talk soon,

    Shannon Herod
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  • Profile picture of the author marketguy
    Great post!

    I have been thinking about the analogy for awhile now (i am a gamer) and was contemplating taking this a step further.

    What if there was a game (i.e. like wow), that would teach people how to succeed in IM?

    I am open for a JV on this one.
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  • Profile picture of the author notionphil
    if you haven't yet done it, you should make that into an article. you'd get massive numbers of backlinks...that was awesome. thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geraldm
    oh it's true! it's just so true!!! LOL great analogy!
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Luis
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    I don't play World of Warcraft (but I have played Warcraft III before offline) but I understood everything. Fantastic post! I just hope that those hardcore gamers don't read your post or else they will be going into IM and give us more competition. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    I have several friends who live for WoW....will be sending this to them. Thanks for the giggle!
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  • Profile picture of the author ATH
    dearest catherine,

    im stealing your idea and you're never getting it back

    -adam
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammed Hammad2
    WOW that is a great comparison but it is totally right though!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jealee
    Haha! Yes you're right. I leveled my mage for 2 months while doing IM at the same time. At the end of the day, you're just not doing any IM work but browsing for what item should i get next? Still remember the glory when I killed all the alliance in BG.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Ditfort
    This does remind me of some games lol, but I prefer Elder Scrolls over WOW
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  • Profile picture of the author azizkasam
    I am agree with you
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Wilson
    (if I take this literally)I'm one of those that thinks that WOW is somehow a waste of time. But all that knowledge can be useful for building an awesome guide site. WOW guides are still selling very good at CB.

    I totally agree about quitting. But playing games is a lot more fun than creating a 1000 word article
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  • Profile picture of the author winsenken
    This is a great example for gamers!!! Hahaha
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    It is not very often that I like seeing a dead thread randomly brought back to life; but this one struck me. Now I am no WOW expert (LOTRO was my thing for just a little bit) but the whole grinding to level concept is one that a lot of people are familiar with.

    ...As a matter of fact, this has just given me a great idea for a new project to work on. Someone mentioned this above too. Why not take a certain aspect of IM and make it more like a "game" where you level and what not? It will be more mindset than anything but I think it can help. Off to brainstorm!
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  • Profile picture of the author eightofnine
    This thread made my day. I was explaining this concept to a fellow wower friend of mine. There is a lot of truth to this....I dont know how many boars I have killed leveling up low level "toons"
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    • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
      Now:

      1. just do a little keyword research,

      2. rearrange your thread title with the World of Warcraft keywords as the first few words and spell out Internet Marketing in your article title (may want to substitute relevant higher search volume keywords as long as they are still relevant

      3. write a compelling resource box on how to succeed in WoW and/or IM with a

      4. link to an offer containing how lucrative the WoW gaming niche is, niche keywords file, review site template with top rated WoW strategy guides for your customers to upload and market with their aff links, a guide on how to successfully market it, build a list in the niche for future related high converting offers promotion, limit reseller licenses for scarcity/urgency/preserve value, offer as business in a box, etc.

      5. submit to blog and ping, bookmark, etc.

      6. submit to article directories

      7. profit or fail fast and learn from the experience

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  • Profile picture of the author dcristo
    It's a bit like grinding in poker. It's unavoidable but a requirement if you want to make money playing the "game". You also learn a heck of a lot more about yourself playing poker then what you do playing WOW let me tell you. I know this thread was just trying to be funny but realistically I don't think WOW will make you a better IM'er at all, compulsive gaming just makes you a lazy bum.
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  • Profile picture of the author zackick
    that is what the way it should be. get stick at only 1 - clickbank/amazon/cpa. find 1 marketing method that best suit you. build strong relationship with people and not robot or software.

    By the way, did anyone realize that lately it hard to do keyword and competition research? how to check website backlink, usually I can check on yahoo but now it all gone?

    Anyone have any idea about it?
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    Anyway, thanks for bumping this thread because I missed it. Easily the best thing iv'e read here in a LONG time.

    edit: wow that was removed FAST, good job mods
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  • Profile picture of the author Prashant_W
    I used to play Age of Empires II as a kid.

    When you start off broke, you have to struggle your ass off with whatever minimal manpower you have - a few measly villages to stock up on resources, a tiny number of soldiers who do nothing but defend, and a scout who runs around like a mad man.

    But very soon, your enemies (it's like they all have cheats or something) level up and start sending waves of attacks.

    I was still running on minimum wage at this point, so I had to take a risk. I created as many weak soldiers as possible, tied my bandanna, and screamed "come at me bro!".

    Power in numbers, as opposed to individual strength. Not the best of choices. But it worked.

    I resisted the attacks, had enough wood, stone, gold and food to create powerful legions, and raised hell.

    In relation to internet marketing?

    You're not going to end up with an authority site immediately. But, to get things moving, you can start off with a number of other things.

    For instance: A high volume of Adsense sites. 1 may not bring you much... But 50? 100?

    Loved the post, Catherine.
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  • Profile picture of the author IulianP
    Everything in real life can be seen as a game as you want show it.

    But some errors in real life can have big consequences on you, your family etc. While, an error in WoW can get you kicked out from a guild or it can make you respawn 30 seconds away from where you died.
    Real life is real life while a game is a game. In a game you can make stupid things just to see what happens while in real life you always think twice.
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  • Profile picture of the author JerrickYeoh
    Great description . But it can apply in most of game because every game do need plan and strategies to be victory . Just the process is different and methods will be different.
    The funny part is the 1st one which describe ppc , too early to go with high experience area and might get kill easily.
    but in business , high risk high return . That is what hero farming doing which they farm their experience with high experience enemies to get level up faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
    I'm a League of Legends player. WOW is for noobs
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  • Profile picture of the author apollo rala
    I can't help but to laugh at this post while reading! for someone to compare this one to warccraft! makes sense and has really information that will make you continue to read!
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