10,000th post ... again

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Well, I've been here before. Several times, in fact. Once when I hit the real 10,000th post, which included the stuff from the original forum, back in the Uni-Sol days. I have no clue when that happened. Then when I hit 10,000 including the posts in offtopic. Then when the "official" count here went over 10,000 the first time, before 700 or so of them got deleted. (Lots of outdated mod stuff being cleared out.)

So, this is the 4th time I've hit 10,000 posts as a Warrior. This time it may stick, unless someone decides to delete a thread I was in or something. In keeping with the tradition, I'd like to give something back. But not the usual "Here's a discount" stuff.

I would like to make a suggestion.

We see all sorts of posts griping about this and that and how thus-and-such makes us unsubscribe and how this-other is annoying and how something-else inspires projectile vomiting. All manner of "Things that make you go YUCK!" Sometimes the posts make a valid point. Sometimes they're due to inexperience. Occasionally they're idiotic. And sometimes they're just frustration poking its head up.

The one thing that almost all of these threads have in common is that they achieve nothing positive. They attract people who just want to complain, and add to the mistaken impression that everyone in the industry is a scumbag.

Sure, we have our share of them. Every industry does. Complaining alone never did much about it, in any industry.

So, here's my suggestion: If you find something distasteful or annoying, post alternative ways you think a person could get the same result without being what you see as a schmuck. Start the threads with a special beginning:

A better way to...?

So, it might be "A better way to get your subscribers' attention?," rather than just complaining about subject lines. I think you get the gist of the thing.

The idea is to first get the thought of the poster away from the nasty aspect of what's bothering them without pretending they don't have a valid objection. Then to focus the replies on a more constructive path.

Phrasing it in the form of a question should get people's minds going on alternatives, rather than looking for more ways to sound the same.

Let's face it: Complaining here isn't likely to get too many people to change what they're doing. It never has to any large degree, and it probably never will. What you can do with a more constructive approach is help the people who don't see the better alternatives to avoid the same bad habits for themselves in the future.

Not to mention that it would turn the b__chfests into brainstorms, which are much more profitable for everyone involved.

And it will help the newer folks to understand what creativity on the bright side of the line is all about. That you don't have to do something sketchy or flat out unethical or annoy your customers to get the results you want.

That would be a good and useful thing for everyone, I think.


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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Morgan
    Congratulations on your 10,000th post.

    The old forum, I remember that, and there are still some members here from that old one.

    You have provided lots to this board, keep up the good work.


    Congrats again.


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      Congrats Paul, i'm sure you have got nothing to do except posting
      Again, Well done.
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    Congrats... your like some ancient sage... kind of magical.... full of wisdom.... PAUL MYERS IS MERLIN!
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Matt,

      Thanks. Let's see if anyone does anything with the idea.

      Orator,
      PAUL MYERS IS MERLIN!
      Only in the sense of being an old guy with a white beard who lives backwards.


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      • Profile picture of the author PhoebeSmellyCat
        Originally Posted by Orator View Post

        PAUL MYERS IS MERLIN!
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


        Orator,Only in the sense of being an old guy with a white beard who lives backwards.

        Paul
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        Congrats! May I live long enough to make my 10,000th post.
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        • Profile picture of the author terryrayburn
          Like the Redwoods to California, like Mt. Rushmore to South Dakota, like the Everglades to Florida, like such is Paul Myers to Erie, P....I mean to the Warrior Forum...worth visiting for that alone!

          Congratulations, Paul, and thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Fantastic idea and I truly hopes it catches on. That would truly add value to the forum instead of useless complaints and whining, which is generally where those threads head.

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      Originally Posted by Orator View Post

      Congrats... PAUL MYERS IS MERLIN!
      No he's not. He is the Masked Mod.

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    Congrats Paul,

    At this rate, When you get to 20k posts I'll be too old to post (probably won't remember what a post is) so a big congrats on your 20k post also.

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    Congrats!

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      Mike,
      Thanks. You been dipping into Roger's stash o' smileys?


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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Orator,

        I'd rather get toasted at a steakhouse, instead.

        Jim,

        Is that anything like "Bushmill stoned?"


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    Boy that is alot of posts. Do you have calluses on your fingers?

    Congratulations Paul. It's a great site.
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    George,

    Love what you've done with the hat, but I promise you... no-one wants to see me in spandex!


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    Donnan,

    No callouses on my fingers from it, no. That's only an average of about 3 posts per day. I've been at this a long time.

    As far as the site... that's all on the members. Only about one post in every 262 is mine. The rest... From you.


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      Wow, 40,000 posts.

      I'm impressed.
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        Bill,
        Wow, 40,000 posts.
        Have I told you today? No?

        Consider yourself told.


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          Matt,

          I have two words for you...

          splorf! and... Suhhhwipe!


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          • Profile picture of the author Paul_Short
            Paul,

            Thank you, sir, for everything you've taught me in those 10k posts over the years. I look forward to the wisdom you bestow upon us in the next 10k

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            • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
              Originally Posted by Paul_Short View Post

              Thank you, sir, for everything you've taught me in those 10k posts over the years.
              You've read EVERY SINGLE ONE?
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                Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

                You've read EVERY SINGLE ONE?
                And more. I was lucky enough to read quite a few of the ones that got deleted or went missing

                Paul
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Kingsley,

              I doubt the PMs even come close to that. For a long time we didn't have them. And for a longer time most people didn't use them. It's interesting, though. I just checked and I'm averaging around 10 inbound PMs a day. I don't answer them all, though. I've still got one to go from today, and I often ignore them from people who're just being argumentative, or for other reasons.

              I'll take my PM inbox over Allen's or the help desk stuff any day of the week.

              Paul

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              Wisdom I ain't got. Fresh out. Wanna buy a duck?


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                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                Kingsley,*snip*

                Paul

                The only thing you ever learned from me was in the sense of observing a bad example.

                Wisdom I ain't got. Fresh out. Wanna buy a duck?

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                "To know when to be generous and when firm--that is wisdom." ~ Elbert Hubbard

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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  Paul,
                  "To know when to be generous and when firm--that is wisdom." ~ Elbert Hubbard
                  Good to see you found yourself a proper supplier. Hubbard would have made a good roshi.


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                    As the food is not as enjoyable without salt, so the forum without Paul Myers.

                    Congrats and good health!

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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Matt!,
                even back in the uni-sol days
                Wow. Between you, Matt Morgan, Paul, and Mr Wright, it's like old home week at the WF.

                [sigh] I'm gettin' all nostalgic and stuff... [sniff]


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    A better way to celebrate 10.000 post is giving some of your secrets away...

    Congratulations Paul!

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Originally Posted by ElMundodelExito View Post

      A better way to celebrate 10.000 post is giving some of your secrets away...
      [chuckle] Clever. But I don't have the kind of 'secrets' you can really give away. If you want to find one of them for yourself, though, figure out the mindset behind that first post. Then think how you can apply it in your dealings with other people.

      Closest I get to Orator's "magic."


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      Originally Posted by ElMundodelExito View Post

      A better way to celebrate 10.000 post is giving some of your secrets away...
      Get on his list...and be prepared to be amazed.

      Only get on his list if you make a habit of conscious thought, however.

      Otherwise, it may get painful.

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    I still maintain that Paul is in fact a wizard, and thus... must be burned at the stake. It's the only way.


    Seriously, I appreciate all the stuff you write and hope your here teaching for another 40k posts.
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    Congratulations Paul.

    We appreciate all your hard work as Mod.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Will,

      Thanks.

      I've just thought of a title for the suggestion...

      A better way to rant?

      Whatcha tink?


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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    Hey Paul,

    Congrats on 10k... again.

    As much as I would like to agree that these posts do nothing positive, I have to disagree.

    If we all kept our mouth shut when we disagreed with something we would never make headway with anything. We would be stuck. Differences of opinions bring out the complainers, I will agree with that. But, it also inspires change and innovation.

    It also helps to bring attention to things that may be wrong or misleading. Yes people will jump on the complaining band wagon, but at the end of the day it can help to spur change in a positive direction.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Shannon,

      Sometimes they can inspire change in a few people, but not often. It's much more common for them to push newer and less experienced folks deeper into negative thought patterns.

      Here's the question, though...

      Do you think that focusing on a deliberate approach to offering alternatives might promote more positive change, more quickly?


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    BIG CONGRATULATIONS, to a super-duper Paul...

    Clearly when you add the PMs you reply to, you
    will easily have 30,000+ posts, I remember
    personally sending/receiving dozens of PM from
    you one time when I had an issue. I was actually
    surprised when you replied every single PM I sent.

    Gosh, you must be a much faster typist than I,
    even though I still haven't seen anyone who can
    type faster than I can,

    No doubts about it, mean you might be, to some,
    but you have been VERY useful to this forum,

    And I love your newsletter!

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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
    Congrats on hitting 10,000 again and again and again. Your posts have always been full of wisdom and humor even back in the uni-sol days.

    Glad to see you still around here Paul.
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    Congratulations on your 10000 post count Paul. Thanks for being such a great mod and helping to keep this great forum Great.

    This is what I call turning a negative situation (thing) into a positive one. Really, that is a great idea. Instead of complaining, why not offer what you would want instead or how you would rather to be treated by marketers who you subscribe to. Thanks for bringing it up Paul.
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    Paul

    Congrats on passing 10,000th posts again, and thanks for your always thought-provoking posts and emails. Love them!

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony_Brayley
    Hey Paul,

    I am sitting at right around 40 posts, you around 40,000. I feel fairly insignificant around these parts. I have been a member for over 2 years but always felt I never really had much to contribute. During the 2 year long journey I have picked up much along the way. It's probably time for me to share what I've gathered on the thousands of miles on the cyber-highway that I've travelled. Bottom line: I'll be posting more from hereon in. I may never reach 40,000+ posts but I will try and do my share.

    Thanks Paul for the inspiration to share more.

    On a side note: About.....a long time ago...me and my doll (25 years together now) decided to go for a drive (the in-laws took the kids for us). We live just north of Toronto, Ontario. We drove across the border and kept going for a bit and ended up in Erie Pennsylvania. It was totally unplanned, as to the where, so we just drove til it got dark and it felt good. We stopped at a motel, don't remember where or the name. There was a bar real close (heavy duty bar, some bikers etc.). We checked in, went over to the bar, had drinks, some grub and watched the Toronto Maple Leafs in the playoffs. We were having such a great time in this place. Everyone was so cool. They didn't care that we rooted for the Leafs. Went back the night after too. It was one of the best mini-trips we've had. We shopped like crazy too, at this outlet mall. Ate well at various diners etc. I am actually a realtor by trade (25 years), so we cruised the various neighbourhoods (Canadian spelling, sorry) and got a real sense for the area. We really liked it. I think a visit back there will be happening in the future. It was a blast. We've been all over North America (from Newfoundland to British Columbia and from New York to Nevada, California, Florida, Pennsylvania and many in between) and we enjoyed there...probably the most.

    Maybe we'll meet some day in your neck of the woods or at a marketers convention.

    Cheers to you!

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    Lester,

    Thanks. And...

    That saying in your sig file looks awfully familiar.


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      Tony,

      There are only a few real biker bars around here, and the ones I've been to are cool places to hang out.

      Erie's an interesting place. Courtesy is not only expected, it's appreciated. Example: I was heading out to a friend's bar one evening. It was snowing hard, like it does here early in the season, on top of the deposits from an ice storm earlier in the day. A car stopped before crossing the intersection, and I waited and waved them through. They parked in front of my buddy's bar, and these two scruffy-looking dudes about my age got out. Turns out they were headed there, too.

      They stopped outside in that miserable storm and one of them held the door for me, with a wave just like I'd given them to let them cross the intersection. The other said, with a big ol' smile on his face, "Courtesy is contagious."

      That's Erie, in three words. I love this town.


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      • Profile picture of the author Tony_Brayley
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Tony,

        There are only a few real biker bars around here, and the ones I've been to are cool places to hang out.

        Erie's an interesting place. Courtesy is not only expected, it's appreciated. Example: I was heading out to a friend's bar one evening. It was snowing hard, like it does here early in the season, on top of the deposits from an ice storm earlier in the day. A car stopped before crossing the intersection, and I waited and waved them through. They parked in front of my buddy's bar, and these two scruffy-looking dudes about my age got out. Turns out they were headed there, too.

        They stopped outside in that miserable storm and one of them held the door for me, with a wave just like I'd given them to let them cross the intersection. The other said, with a big ol' smile on his face, "Courtesy is contagious."

        That's Erie, in three words. I love this town.


        Paul
        I will definitely have a little meeting with the boss about re-visiting Erie. We felt the same about how we were treated there. That we were welcome to come back and visit any time...so to speak.

        I just looked up at the time and it's 1:45 am. Are you all, on here at this time regularly? Obviously, I am not..just look at my post count. Wow I'm going to have to burn the candle at both ends to keep up, lol.

        Cheers Paul,

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          Sandor,
          As the food is not as enjoyable without salt, so the forum without Paul Myers.
          Gee... That, too, looks awfully familiar.

          Thankee, suh!

          blog8491

          Thanks. Does that mean you'll use the idea?

          Tony,

          Hey... I'm a Yankees fan and they treat me just fine, even when I'm wearing my Yanks' leather. That's a good sign, in a town full of Indians, Pirates, and Phillies fans. In Philly, they'd nail me to the railroad tracks for that.

          The time online changes. Depends on what else is going on...


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    Congratz Paul. You contribution to WF is superb
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    Paul, if your thoughts OP can be taken seriously your gift to the WF would be huge.

    Oh yes and thanks again for your dedication to the forum and congrats on 10k posts again
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    Paul...

    THANK YOU for the value and impact you've given this forum!

    I totally agree with the "A better way to..." philosophy and will work on that myself!!
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    Heck, 10,000 posts AGAIN Paul?

    I knew it!! Some people in here are real time travelers!! I knew it, I tell you! Beware of 2012!! They are coming to get you with vast knowledge and common sense!!

    Run!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Congratulations Paul,

      I had no idea you'd made quite that many posts.

      Long may it continue...

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Congratulations on hitting the 10,000th post milestone the 4th and hopefully the last time, Paul.

    I noticed that you had started making that suggestion about keeping posts constructive/positive in a few threads that had started to unravel with emotional posts, and I think everyone here should take this to heart. Making senseless and accusatory posts don't really help anyone, with the possible exception of the poster who may experience some short-lived catharsis, but it's not helpful to the community as a whole.

    It's time to stop posting all these threads embroiled in negativity and rage, as it's really not constructive at all and fails to serve any real purpose.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      :sigh:

      I have felt as you do for a very long time. If I'm honest though, when I first
      began, 8 years ago, I complained too. I think just about every new person
      does out of inexperience and shock at how things go online.

      I think what's surprising about this is that, if you take a look at the real
      world, it isn't any different.

      When was the last time you went to a retail store and had some sales person
      treat you like you were an idiot?

      That's why I love the Apple store near us so much. They are so friendly
      and so pro customer.

      A short time ago, I took my daughter there to get some things she needed
      and she asked the sales person about virus protection for her Mac Book
      Pro. The man told here that he had a Mac Book too, had no virus
      protection on it and never had a problem. Ultimately, he talked her out
      of buying it.

      How many Internet marketers will do that? For that matter, how many
      sales people in any industry will do that?

      Online is just a microcosm of what goes on in life. I think the reason why
      people are so surprised is because, well, honestly, I don't know why they're
      surprised.

      In the real world, you have to be rude to a customer to their face.

      Online, it's an anonymous email...which is a heck of a lot easier.

      Truth is, I'm shocked that the Internet isn't worse than it is because of
      all the anonymity.

      Anyway, congratulations on your 10,000th post...yet again.

      When I hit 20,000 I think I'll just slink quietly into the woodwork.

      I find it's a lot peacefuller when you don't attract so much attention.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Quite a milestone ...or is that millstone?

      Congratulations

      That is a lot of typing.



      Time for some Kentucky windage

      Jim,

      Is that anything like "Bushmill stoned?"
      That was actually very witty and fast.


      I'm impressed


      Betcha can't do that this mornin'



      Bloody Mary?



      LOL




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      CONGRATS
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    Do you think that focusing on a deliberate approach to offering alternatives might promote more positive change, more quickly?
    Yes, I agree with that 100%. If you are just shouting for the sake of shouting you are doing nothing to move in a positive direction.

    It is always more productive to sit down and map out an alternative and present it in that manner.

    But, in a forum as big as this, you have to first realize it is going to happen, and second sift through the shouting to get to the actual plan.

    The same holds true with the advice given here. Most are just shouting. You need to get though that to find the true nuggets that are dropped here each and every day.

    Shannon
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  • Profile picture of the author darkwizgemz
    Congratulations. I hope I could post as many as 10,000th post soon as well. Keep it up.
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    You mean like this?

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ilestones.html

    Congrats on reaching 10k - again.
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    Whenever Paul makes a post telling people not to rant, I can't help but get the feeling that Paul's post is a rant.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Seems like every other day I'm hauling out the "Happy 10,000th Post" cake, balloons and kazoos for Paul. This time I'm not putting 'em way right after the party. I'll hang on to them awhile, just in case a few of Paul's posts get deleted or kicked down into the OT.

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    Meanwhile, I'd like to see more of the "a better way...?" brainstorming posts. One of the keys to having those become popular is for members to pull a BF Skinner -- reward the "a better way...?" threads with plenty of replies while ignoring the rants. Kind of collectively focus everyone's attention on the positive threads.

    Happy 10,000th.

    Becky

    p.s. Gee, just think -- within a few years I can smear the word "post" off the cake and replace it with the word "birthday."


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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Congratulations, Paul!

    While I wouldn't be surpised to see a sudden spike in "A better way to..." threads, I couldn't resist and had to start one of my own.

    (For anyone that's interested: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ead-rules.html)

    You are spot on in that it's the thread starter who does more than anyone else in setting the tone. We have all seen somebody get jumped on, and then get defensive, but I would 7 out of 10 times, it's really the OP that gets the negativity ball rolling.

    No matter. There are enough of us here to chip away at that and swing things the other way.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author MWGrubb58
    Paul,

    Bravo on your 10,000th post!

    I ALWAYS find your material helpful.

    Your idea to bring up the forum is outstanding... let's hope folks get the idea.

    Millard
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
    Congrats oh King of the Soapbox! Here's hoping you don't fall off too many times during the next 10k!
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Congratulations, Paul.

      I appreciate the things you have done to make this fourm work so well. Thank you.

      It has been my opinion for quite some time, that the things I pay attention to most, tend to show up more in my life.

      So if I spend my attention on rants, complaints and tirades, I tend to see more or those things in my life everywhere. And strangely enough, my energy is depleted, but I have nothing of value to show for all that time I put in.

      On the other hand, when I spend my attention on things that are in general in tone, I not oly have more energy when I am done, I feel like I have added some value to the world instead of taken some away.

      I am not 100 percent in doing this all the time, but I am doing it more consistently.

      Thanks again for sharing your insights with us.
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    At least thank the Academy, Paul.
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  • Profile picture of the author alcymart
    Congratulation on that 10,000th post! That's a lot of typing you did there!

    Take care,

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  • Profile picture of the author TimGross
    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

    The idea is to first get the thought of the poster away from the nasty aspect... Then to focus the replies on a more constructive path.
    Coincidentally, that's a great way to train your dog as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ralph Moore
      Congratulations Paul,

      Thank you for all you do and most of all, for remaining relevant through the years.

      (Yours is one of the few that I always find time to read.)

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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    King,

    A Wombat is an Australian marsupial like below...



    A Zen Redneck is er, Paul?

    I've just got Zen...Zen is a school of Mahāyāna Buddhism.

    Redneck...Originally used in reference to poor, white farmers, Redneck is historically a derogatory slang term to refer to working class Southerners, USA.

    I could only find this image of Theo hogg though.


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        Congrats Paul,

        You're a legend, a corner stone, a true Warrior!

        Loves ya Mate :-)
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    20,000 pieces of good info - 20,000 reprimands. Isn't it time for your 15th year reunion?
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
    Cheers to You Paul...I'm working myself on this idea...eliminate the negative and do the exact opposite...just about all you can do to fight the bad stuff.

    Be the opposite.

    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      This is what happens when you do foolish things like sleeping and stuff. You end up coming back to a bucketload of proof that the world isn't on the same schedule.

      Ooof.

      Thanks, one and all.

      Paul,

      It only takes a small number of people to regularly remind folks to turn threads toward solutions. That sort of thing builds awareness among others and eventually becomes an accepted norm.

      We'll always have new folks posting the incendiary invective, but it can be cut down a lot just by getting the more experienced people to teach them early on.

      John, [chuckle] Yeah. That works.

      Brian,
      Whenever Paul makes a post telling people not to rant, I can't help but get the feeling that Paul's post is a rant.
      Tsk. I suggested a better way to rant. Telling people not to rant would be... err... not my stone to throw.

      John,
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      Tankewverrymutch! For my next trick, watch me pull a hat out of this rabbit...

      Shiloh,
      Please what is the meaning of Zen Redneck?
      Oh. That. An attempt to comply with the truth in advertising laws.


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    A man can fence off a fair-sized chunk of the Internet with 10,000 posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author champstar
    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

    I would like to make a suggestion.

    We see all sorts of posts griping about this and that and how thus-and-such makes us unsubscribe and how this-other is annoying and how something-else inspires projectile vomiting. All manner of "Things that make you go YUCK!" Sometimes the posts make a valid point. Sometimes they're due to inexperience. Occasionally they're idiotic. And sometimes they're just frustration poking its head up.

    The one thing that almost all of these threads have in common is that they achieve nothing positive. They attract people who just want to complain, and add to the mistaken impression that everyone in the industry is a scumbag.

    Sure, we have our share of them. Every industry does. Complaining alone never did much about it, in any industry.

    So, here's my suggestion: If you find something distasteful or annoying, post alternative ways you think a person could get the same result without being what you see as a schmuck. Start the threads with a special beginning:

    A better way to...?

    So, it might be "A better way to get your subscribers' attention?," rather than just complaining about subject lines. I think you get the gist of the thing.

    The idea is to first get the thought of the poster away from the nasty aspect of what's bothering them without pretending they don't have a valid objection. Then to focus the replies on a more constructive path.

    Phrasing it in the form of a question should get people's minds going on alternatives, rather than looking for more ways to sound the same.

    Let's face it: Complaining here isn't likely to get too many people to change what they're doing. It never has to any large degree, and it probably never will. What you can do with a more constructive approach is help the people who don't see the better alternatives to avoid the same bad habits for themselves in the future.

    Not to mention that it would turn the b__chfests into brainstorms, which are much more profitable for everyone involved.

    And it will help the newer folks to understand what creativity on the bright side of the line is all about. That you don't have to do something sketchy or flat out unethical or annoy your customers to get the results you want.

    That would be a good and useful thing for everyone, I think.


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    I like your suggestion and i think it should be worked on
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
      Congratulations on all those posts, and it was a great suggestion Paul. I have always noticed that the first few posters lead the rest of the thread along in a negative or positive manner.

      Why not help people think of the solutions and answers instead of the downside, which mires people in a poor attitude? Makes more sense to me.

      And by the way, thanks for all the time and effort that you have put into the different versions of the forum as a mod and contributor. Greatly appreciated.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Thank you, Paul, and Congo rats...er, congrats on 10k. I sometimes post silly things like, "why worry about what other people are doing wrong when you could be focusing on your own business?"

      And then there's this gem...

      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      [chuckle] Clever. But I don't have the kind of 'secrets' you can really give away. If you want to find one of them for yourself, though, figure out the mindset behind that first post. Then think how you can apply it in your dealings with other people.

      Closest I get to Orator's "magic."


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      Didn't want anyone to overlook that, it's better advice than the original post, IMO.
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      Paul,
      But I'm left wondering... how many keyboards have you gone through
      I used to go through one every 3 months or so. Then I switched to Logitech. The last one held up for 3 years before one of the keys started sticking. I tried to find the same set to replace it, but they don't seem to make that one any more.

      First time I ever spent any real time looking for a specific piece of hardware under $100.


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  • Profile picture of the author Asher
    Hi Paul,

    With all the madness that you and the other mods have to
    handle in the background of the WarriorForum, once in a while,
    it's good to celebrate your hardwork you've put in with a
    little "congrats" and "thank you". They may not mean much
    but it's a little more juice for the run.

    So, here's my "juice"... congrats on your 4th 10,000 post and
    thank you for keeping the posts clean and discussions cordial.

    And might I add, you're the first person I've ever actively
    asked to have your Paypal so I can send some beer money
    along the way because of the value you've given.

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  • Profile picture of the author bobsilber
    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


    The idea is to first get the thought of the poster away from the nasty aspect of what's bothering them without pretending they don't have a valid objection. Then to focus the replies on a more constructive path.


    Paul
    Hmmm, nothing in that comment about Physics, Chemistry, Literature, and Physiology or Medicine. Wait ...

    I smell a Nobel Peace Prize here.

    Grats on your 10k milestone, again.


    P.S. Didn't you even have a self imposed hiatus from this forum years ago, and still accomplished this?
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

    The idea is to first get the thought of the poster away from the nasty aspect of what's bothering them without pretending they don't have a valid objection. Then to focus the replies on a more constructive path.

    That would be a good and useful thing for everyone, I think.


    Paul

    Great advice. And I tried to follow it to the letter here:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...aul-myers.html
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Bob,
      P.S. Didn't you even have a self imposed hiatus from this forum years ago, and still accomplished this?
      Yeah. Several months, in protest of the fact that the majority of the members did nothing about the then-regular bashing of various people. Even when most of what was being posted was demonstrably untrue, and the posters were anonymous no-names, folks just let the trash flow through without raising even a weak objection.

      I have often told people, "If you don't like it, either do something about it or go somewhere else." That's what I did.

      BTW... Isn't that Lorrie's hat?

      Bill,

      Projectile vomiting? Don't wanna incite more of that. Hence my earlier comment about me and spandex...


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  • Profile picture of the author ijohnson
    Paul,

    Congratulations on your 10,000th post and your dedication to this forum and its members. Your wisdom, candor and business savvy caught my attention a long time ago and I've followed you ever since.

    You've launched a great challenge. Let's hope it sticks or goes viral!!!!!

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    I am not one for post count so I will not make a comment on that.

    In regards to posting negative threads, it's human nature to post in a negative tone if we are in a negative frame of mind. You can't expect someone who is not happy with a situation and who wants to express themselves about it to start a thread with a happy tone. Your mind can't contemplate those two feelings at once, so expecting the thread title to express that is impossible.

    We all may want life to be perfect, but let's face facts, it never will be no matter if we are talking about our real lives or those online. We all have to accept that there will always negativity in life, it's just the way we react and handle it that shows others our true nature.
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    • Profile picture of the author KONet
      Grats on your 40,000 posts Paul! Here's to another 40,000
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Mike,
      In regards to posting negative threads, it's human nature to post in a negative tone if we are in a negative frame of mind. You can't expect someone who is not happy with a situation and who wants to express themselves about it to start a thread with a happy tone. Your mind can't contemplate those two feelings at once, so expecting the thread title to express that is impossible.
      I don't expect anything in this regard. I do believe that a person can change their frame of reference by pausing long enough to ask, "Is there a better way to achieve this result?" Which is why I named the proposed technique "A better way to rant."

      Note the last word in that title.

      Didn't say anyone couldn't express a neative opinion. Simply that it would be more useful if they also started out looking for productive alternatives. But yes, I do believe that framing the thing in that way would reduce the overall negativity of a lot of complaint threads in a big way.

      I believe that because I've seen it happen, as a consistent pattern, when threads are started in that mode.
      We all may want life to be perfect, but let's face facts, it never will be no matter if we are talking about our real lives or those online. We all have to accept that there will always negativity in life, it's just the way we react and handle it that shows others our true nature.
      Yep. It does.

      By the way... You average almost exactly 2 posts per day more than me. That would mean that in the time it's taken me to hit 10,000, you'd be at around 16,000. Just sayin'.


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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    I agree with you that if we all stopped and thought our actions before doing them it would make for a better thread, but the problem is that it is our nature to want to complain as soon as the situation happens to us and we don't wish to stop and think about the ramifications.
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      Mike,
      I agree with you that if we all stopped and thought our actions before doing them it would make for a better thread, but the problem is that it is our nature to want to complain as soon as the situation happens to us and we don't wish to stop and think about the ramifications.
      That's true. Many people don't. But almost anyone can, and it's not a difficult habit to develop.


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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by mikescos View Post

      I agree with you that if we all stopped and thought our actions before doing them it would make for a better thread, but the problem is that it is our nature to want to complain as soon as the situation happens to us and we don't wish to stop and think about the ramifications.
      Isn't that what growing up is about? Learning to think things through, to reason, and to respond intelligently rather than to react impulsively?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Isn't that what growing up is about? Learning to think things through, to reason, and to respond intelligently rather than to react impulsively?
        Absolutely, but it would naive to believe that everyone does.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by mikescos View Post

          Absolutely, but it would naive to believe that everyone does.
          True Mike, but I would also suggest it would be a mistake not to show those who haven't the alternative.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            True Mike, but I would also suggest it would be a mistake not to show those who haven't the alternative.
            I agree that this thread is a great idea, but I honestly don't see that the mentality of the people who post negative thread titles are going to change any time soon. But we can all wish for a better forum can't we.
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