Why do some marketers suceed and most just dont?

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Do you ever think that the select few marketers are hiding something?

I mean, you see people like Geroge Brown and Daniel Brock etc and any succesful marketer who are clearly doing something right and crushing it at what ever they do.

They then release thier courses we pay them and follow them and get average results at best and then we move on and repeat cycle with the next person.
Before anyone thinks this is a rant because I havent been dedicated enough, and made any money, it's not. I am earning money from methods I have learnt in courses and i'm grateful for this.

I guess what I'm saying is, what sets the super affilliates out from the crowd? What are they doing that other people arent?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
    They work harder and probably smarter too. They sacrifice the super bowl to put up an extra 10 websites. They take that 200.00 they made today and outsource the content for the 10 they are going to put up tomorrow. They test, test and then they test some more and the put it to action what they find works.

    There really isn't any big secret to it at all. Most times people are able to put on the blinders, block out all the "flash and hype" and just put their nose to the grindstone with what they know works. They get to work and they stay there.

    I'd say 99.9% worked long and hard before they ever got to where they are. It just looks like they "crush" it because they've got the time and effort already behind them. Now they just build on a solid foundation they already have. The proof their system works got the attention of some bigger marketers, they got J.V's out of it and off go the email blasts.
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    • Profile picture of the author chykee
      I think the answer isn't far fetched but obvious.Successful people whether internet marketers or offline bussiness men/women work 10x as hard and as smart and make a lot of sacrifices.If they tell you their story , you would be surprise how they also went through tick and thin times to get to where they are and tried so many things...
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      • Profile picture of the author Alminc
        Identifying, carefully analysing and modelling already successful
        business and marketing concepts usually leads to success.

        Very, very few marketers have become successful because they invented
        (created from nothing) something completely new. On the other hand,
        there are many marketers who simply dedicated a lot of time and effort
        to learn and apply every single detail of a particular business and marketing
        model that must result in success if you follow it to the point.

        There is a science behind success. That's what we don't see, we see only
        great results and scratch our hads.


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    • Profile picture of the author grandstar
      Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman View Post

      They work harder and probably smarter too. They sacrifice the super bowl to put up an extra 10 websites. They take that 200.00 they made today and outsource the content for the 10 they are going to put up tomorrow. They test, test and then they test some more and the put it to action what they find works.

      There really isn't any big secret to it at all. Most times people are able to put on the blinders, block out all the "flash and hype" and just put their nose to the grindstone with what they know works. They get to work and they stay there.

      I'd say 99.9% worked long and hard before they ever got to where they are. It just looks like they "crush" it because they've got the time and effort already behind them. Now they just build on a solid foundation they already have. The proof their system works got the attention of some bigger marketers, they got J.V's out of it and off go the email blasts.

      yes, they work harder and much smarter and spend more!

      They pay over the top for sales copy. They leverage by getting an army of affiliates. They put in all the necessary affiliate support to ensure their affiliates not only succeed but to achieve market saturation i.e who hasn't heard of Google Cash?

      They also engage in JV's, youtube and every form of marketing to get the word out.

      Also have created a large list and always endeavor to capture subscribers and with followup emails that heavily improve conversions

      Yes, work harder, smarter, spend more and last but not the least-outsource- and do it well!
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  • Profile picture of the author tishwash
    I think some people quit too soon.
    Also, there are too many people looking for easy buttons, and automated, talk to no one systems.

    Bottom line is it takes WORK. It takes finding a product you can be passionate about, putting in the time and the work, tracking and tweaking, using the latest technology, and about 18 months, if you read the beginnings of all the big money makers, they weren't big money makers over night, although it seems like they were.

    This was a great posts thanks. I often think these very same thoughts myself. I started having success when I found a business I believe in and am passionate about, I do marketing daily, I leverage systems that automate some things, but I call every prospect that optins to give the personal touch too.
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    I think they have an EXACT plan. I think that they take the time to plan out their business and treat it like a business instead of just wanting to make some money.

    I think that a lot of courses are good, but I don't think a lot of them stress the fact that you have to plan and do the numbers and have goals. Most of the courses just tell you how to make the money. A business is much more than that, and most people don't realize that the course they are following is just a piece of the whole pie.
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    • Profile picture of the author dudeontheweb
      Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

      I think they have an EXACT plan. I think that they take the time to plan out their business and treat it like a business instead of just wanting to make some money.

      I think that a lot of courses are good, but I don't think a lot of them stress the fact that you have to plan and do the numbers and have goals. Most of the courses just tell you how to make the money. A business is much more than that, and most people don't realize that the course they are following is just a piece of the whole pie.
      I agree. Years ago when I was selling online (now looking to get back in), once I planned everything out to the smallest detail, I began to make great strides and sales went up. When I was doing things haphazardly, I was doing ok, but not great.

      It like the saying goes ... If you don't have a plan, you plan to fail.
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  • Profile picture of the author donnan
    You can sell anything to anyone. That is a FACT!

    It all depends on how long you want to keep trying at it.

    Most people give up, because they want the sale now.

    Didn't you hear about the guy on the Internet all he had to start with was a paperclip, (yes, an actual paperclip) and got a house for it in return.

    One red paperclip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It took him 12 months, but he did it because he believed in what he was doing and that is all you need on the internet.

    Just keep doing it. It will happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by donnan View Post

      You can sell anything to anyone. That is a FACT!

      It all depends on how long you want to keep trying at it.

      Most people give up, because they want the sale now.

      Didn't you hear about the guy on the Internet all he had to start with was a paperclip, (yes, an actual paperclip) and got a house for it in return.

      One red paperclip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      It took him 12 months, but he did it because he believed in what he was doing and that is all you need on the internet.

      Just keep doing it. It will happen.
      I disagree for the fact that some things aren't WORTH continuously trying to sell to people. Some products suck and just aren't worth my time to try and sell.

      Again, it's not about giving up. It's mostly about having a plan that works...a system that is proven. And if your system doesn't work, then you have to go back and find out what went wrong.

      Selling a product is only part of the whole of your business. Yes the end result you want is to make money. But how you get to that sale has to be planned out properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    I think it is because some people are marketers and some just aren't.
    Some people are just trying to make a few bucks online.
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  • Profile picture of the author islander1
    I think the internet is a microcosm of the way the entire world works. In the rest of the world, roughly 3% of the people outperform the other 97%. The same thing happens here. Why does it happen? I think hard work is obviously a big part of it, and focus, persistence, etc. I think it's also a mindset that successful people have that they are willing to do "whatever it takes" to get the results they are seeking. They believe it's possible, then they go out and do it.

    I think many people put up mental barriers when they try out certain business plans. I guilty of it too. They don't see the results right away, so they reason that this plan is either a scam or it was only good for a while, but not that "everybody" knows about it, it just doesn't work anymore.

    The simple fact of the matter is that most people are not willing to do what it takes to become "super" successful. I'll admit, I'm not a "super" affiliate either. I'm doing okay and I'm happy where I'm at, but I guess I'd rather watch the Super Bowl and spend time with my family than put in 15-20 hours a day online. That's just me, and I suspect most people are the same way.
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    • Profile picture of the author zanbrok
      Your're not a super affiliate because you have the mind set of "working for your money". Why aren't you writing small cheques to cash bigger cheques?
      If you've been at this long enough you should realize trading your time for money is not the most efficient way to earn it. In IM you don't need 6 figure investments to start a business.


      Originally Posted by islander1 View Post

      I think the internet is a microcosm of the way the entire world works. In the rest of the world, roughly 3% of the people outperform the other 97%. The same thing happens here. Why does it happen? I think hard work is obviously a big part of it, and focus, persistence, etc. I think it's also a mindset that successful people have that they are willing to do "whatever it takes" to get the results they are seeking. They believe it's possible, then they go out and do it.

      I think many people put up mental barriers when they try out certain business plans. I guilty of it too. They don't see the results right away, so they reason that this plan is either a scam or it was only good for a while, but not that "everybody" knows about it, it just doesn't work anymore.

      The simple fact of the matter is that most people are not willing to do what it takes to become "super" successful. I'll admit, I'm not a "super" affiliate either. I'm doing okay and I'm happy where I'm at, but I guess I'd rather watch the Super Bowl and spend time with my family than put in 15-20 hours a day online. That's just me, and I suspect most people are the same way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    could be any or all of:

    better strategy
    less ethical
    work harder
    work smarter
    more efficient
    better ideas
    better teach
    better site
    better skills
    more ethical
    more dedicated

    hmmmmmmmmmmm
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
      Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

      could be any or all of:

      better strategy
      less ethical
      work harder
      work smarter
      more efficient
      better ideas
      better teach
      better site
      better skills
      more ethical
      more dedicated

      hmmmmmmmmmmm
      I love this remark - think I'll pin it up. Send me a bill. Quite simply you're right, though you might add

      more money

      It does make a difference - a big difference!

      Money begets money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    MOst people come online looking to make money fast but in reality it takes a lot more time and effort than they can be bothered to do.

    Think about the grief you got when you started working online... did you have people tell you you were going to fail?? I know sure as hell I did! Every man and his dog told me to give up, did I give up? Nope I busted my balls and worked extra hard to ensure that I made a point to everybody.

    One other thing, just because somebody sells a course to the IM niche this does not make them a better marketer, I know many online marketers that make an obscene amount of money from targeting every niche other than the MMO niche.

    The reason why most people fail is because they are being taught by people who more than likely have never made a penny online and quite frankly its like the blind leading the blind.....

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  • Profile picture of the author craigjonesp
    Its all about strategy and determination. If you want to succeed then you must try and try even if you fail a hundred times.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roland Hop
    The marketers who succeed are persistent like Colonel Sanders.
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  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    Tish hit the nail on the head, one of my mentors taught me the idea of high tech meeting high touch. Too many people out on the internet try to devise these systems , but for some reason have this fear of talking to people on the phone, I just don't get it. I think picking up the phone and calling your optins is an awesome idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
      I feel that money has a bit to do with it too. Someone who has $5,000 and knowledge is more likely to succeed than someone who has no money and knowledge. A lot of people really lack a management mindset because people have never had any type of leadership position or training. With a laborer mindset, you really will only get so far. When it comes time to scale your business, you don't know who to hire first, what to look for, what to assign, how to communicate, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author dilnaj
    I saw a quote of some guy, I think on this forum that was like: "A winner is a loser." It's so true. To win, you have to first lose. It's just a matter of time.

    These successful marketers worked long enough to find out what DIDN'T work and avoided those methods for the future, built a plan on what did work and stuck with it. That way they know what to do - every single time.

    So the secret is there no secret. Figure out what works and doesn't work. Avoid what doesn't work. Stick with what does work. Simple as that except this process usually takes years, even decades to learn by yourself. The quicker and less frustrating method is to find a mentor who already knows what you want to know and that will guide you to the top.

    This is true for any field, any job, and skillset, any THING.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoeguy
      Originally Posted by dilnaj View Post

      I saw a quote of some guy, I think on this forum that was like: "A winner is a loser." It's so true. To win, you have to first lose. It's just a matter of time.

      These successful marketers worked long enough to find out what DIDN'T work and avoided those methods for the future, built a plan on what did work and stuck with it. That way they know what to do - every single time.

      So the secret is there no secret. Figure out what works and doesn't work. Avoid what doesn't work. Stick with what does work. Simple as that except this process usually takes years, even decades to learn by yourself. The quicker and less frustrating method is to find a mentor who already knows what you want to know and that will guide you to the top.

      This is true for any field, any job, and skillset, any THING.
      Very well said, worth writing down...


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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
        I think success springs from 100% confidence in what you are doing and a continued effort pushing your business forward.

        There's not much else you need to succeed in any business out there if you have those 2 aspects under control.

        Being lazy but productive on the other hand is an acquired skill that has to be honed in on with a lifetime of relentless training haha.

        The main factor that should be on your mind is using small amounts of your time to leverage way larger amounts of time.

        At the end of the day, there's so much work that needs to be done to keep your business strolling. Whether you decide to do that work, or have someone else do it for you, that's up to you.

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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
          If you do what work you have success and life is good.
          If you do what doesn't work then you are in your own personal hell.

          Most people don't stick to it long enough to find out what really works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tweety76
    Based on statisics, about 90% of the marketers have failed to make decent money online, may be due to the following reasons:

    - family committments
    - job committments
    - information overloads
    - not persistence enough. Give up very easily
    - wrong mindset. Treat internet marketing as hobby, instead of business
    - learnt from the wrong guru/coach
    - not focus enough. Jump from one system/niche to the other.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    we pay them and follow them and get average results at best and then we move on and repeat cycle with the next person.
    Well, that's it right there.

    They are consistent, you are not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    Based on statisics, about 90% of the marketers have failed to make decent money online
    Care to share where you got the statistics from?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tweety76
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      Care to share where you got the statistics from?
      I have read it somewhere from the net, 2 to 3 yrs ago. I can't remember the source, but I can remember the figure is about 90%.
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      • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
        Originally Posted by Tweety76 View Post

        I have read it somewhere from the net, 2 to 3 yrs ago. I can't remember the source, but I can remember the figure is about 90%.
        I can tell you its a lot higher than 90%
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    One thing for sure some marketers have no focus and dedication. That is one factor why many don't succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shadowflux
      I'm sure no one cares much what I think but I believe you need to have a burning passion for this sort of thing. Making money is almost all I think about, I'd rather be doing that than almost anything else. You have to be willing to work, you have to be willing to do whatever needs to be done to make that money. Stay up late, miss lunch, write articles until your eyes burn.

      A lot of people hear that others are making money online and they imagine them sitting in their underwear playing video games. Most people will get discouraged and quit with in a week. You have to take any victory you can and celebrate it, I made a whopping $0.35 in my first week but it was something, the next week i made $15, then $50 the next etc. The difference is that I'm willing to work like a dog at this even if I only make 30 bucks.

      It isn't about making thousands its about making anything and you have to WANT it bad enough that nothing else matters. If you find a way to make some money then just do it, when you're done, find another way to make money and do that, you'll be learning the whole way and the money will keep you from getting discouraged.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zachmo
        I think others lack perseverance and easily lose their sense of goal on their first failure and also many people wants to get good results overnight which is not good because it really takes time, effort and money to be successful in this field, even on other fields.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Originally Posted by tjm2788 View Post

    I guess what I'm saying is, what sets the super affilliates out from the crowd? What are they doing that other people arent?
    Taking action. Doing work. Setting up new sites in new niches that have large payouts, monitoring their success with current sites and tweaking where necessary. Internet Marketing is really no different than any other form of business--you have dreamers and you have doers. It's simple really.

    Selling is NOT hard. You find a market/niche (problem) and offer them a product (solution).

    Why in the hell do you think people PAY for bottled water on a hot day versus drinking it out of a faucet for FREE?
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    • Profile picture of the author lonicera
      I think that people who succeed have a completely different mindset from those who don't.
      They are smart, hardworking and in a way pretty talented for the business.
      They are honest, open, don't hide, communicate with their users and they work their but off.

      I personally don't believe Dan Brock's "I'm lazy, doing nothing and making money" approach.
      Just to create a course like "Deadbeat Super affiliate" you have to sit for hours in front of your PC - focusing on one thing and finisihing it. Not to mention all the other stuff that needs to be done to make sales. Yes, you can outsource a lot of things when you are already making money, but you still have to control everything.

      I think this is the main difference. Focus and persistence.
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      • Profile picture of the author lonicera
        and of course, just one tiny detail: they have huge lists of hungry buyers. And they have friends with even bigger lists.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by lonicera View Post

        I think that people who succeed have a completely different mindset from those who don't.
        They are smart, hardworking and in a way pretty talented for the business.
        They are honest, open, don't hide, communicate with their users and they work their but off.

        I personally don't believe Dan Brock's "I'm lazy, doing nothing and making money" approach.
        Just to create a course like "Deadbeat Super affiliate" you have to sit for hours in front of your PC - focusing on one thing and finisihing it. Not to mention all the other stuff that needs to be done to make sales. Yes, you can outsource a lot of things when you are already making money, but you still have to control everything.

        I think this is the main difference. Focus and persistence.
        You're absolutely right about this. While the method itself that is being sold may not require a lot of time to implement, in order to get massive results you better believe that a lot of intelligent and focused work is required.

        What you see in the salesletters rarely have any relation to reality - the "lazy" guys you see in the videos and salesletters have to work their their butts off to get the kind of results that they boast about. Sure, they can be lazy some of the time (of course this is emphasized a lot in the salesletters), but you better believe that there are periods of time when these guys work insanely hard, especially during the prelaunch and full launch timeframes!
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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi,

          I'm not denying that focus and action are important aspects of success, which is what most people are saying here.

          But in terms of answering the exact question as set out in the OP, it's not the correct answer.

          Anyone who observes carefully enough will see what the answer is, please don't ask me to spell it out any more than I am here.

          Once you've worked it out, you have a new problem if you want to directly compete in this market.

          Answering the exact question as asked in the OP with the answer 'work' is an insult to all of the hard-working people who fail and is a long way off the mark.

          There's a big clue contained in this quote -

          They then release thier courses we pay them and follow them and get average results at best and then we move on and repeat cycle with the next person.
          Does a multi-millionaire hedge-fund manager work harder than a minimum-wage labourer?

          They will tell you that they do.

          Ionicera said -

          I think that people who succeed have a completely different mindset from those who don't.
          They are smart, hardworking and in a way pretty talented for the business.
          They are honest, open, don't hide, communicate with their users and they work their but off.

          I personally don't believe Dan Brock's "I'm lazy, doing nothing and making money" approach.
          Just to create a course like "Deadbeat Super affiliate" you have to sit for hours in front of your PC - focusing on one thing and finisihing it. Not to mention all the other stuff that needs to be done to make sales. Yes, you can outsource a lot of things when you are already making money, but you still have to control everything.

          I think this is the main difference. Focus and persistence.
          This doesn't make much sense to me. On the one hand you're saying they're not telling the truth about the work involved. But you're also saying that 'they are honest, open, don't hide, communicate with their users and work their but off.'

          Surely if it ONLY took a load of work and focus, it would be better to risk reduced sales but have delighted customers who find a system that is sold honestly and works through hard work, meaning that they will tell everyone that they come across that they succeeded and the product is great, than to maybe get more sales from lazy people but none of them succeed, which is likely to kill all reputation and future sales?

          All that that does is produce comments like OPs comment -

          They then release thier courses we pay them and follow them and get average results at best and then we move on and repeat cycle with the next person.
          If someone had a working system that anyone could copy and produce great results IF ONLY the buyers were prepared to work hard, they would absolutely kill it in this marketplace full of dead wood, hype, dead-ends and last year's defunct techniques.

          This market is FULL of people willing to work hard to gain the benefits of independence, semi-passive income and working from home.

          But keep telling yourselves it's because 99.9% of people are lazy if that's what floats your boat.
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  • Profile picture of the author duncanmacgibbon
    Taking action and try to stick to only one course. If you go from product to product you wont get any good results.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    It's all about consistency in taking massive action. The more consistent and focused action you take, the better results you'll have. The work may not necessarily always be appealing or fun or exciting, but when you knuckle down and focus on the work that you know will bring you results, then you can expect insane, off-the-charts type results.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
    One word: blueprint.
    Too many people seem to (want to) think that the word blueprint is applicable to IM. it isn't. A guide is a guide, as in pointing in the general direction with some tips on what you might need to get there.

    I think a lot of people who don't make it are not lazy or dumb, they just don't have the experience to understand that the IM landscape is fluid. You might have to work your way around new obstacles and go the extra mile sometimes.

    The idea of "a blueprint" raises expectations of immediate returns too high. This quickly results in lack of stimulation.

    Lack of stimulation = no fun = declining interest = no success.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Why are most people unfit/overweight and unhealthy and some aren't? No secrets just takes a desire....
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Yeah you are right to a degree. If you have say 20+ big top JV's waiting to push your offer and a big responsive 10,000+ list you are gonig to make much bigger/faster profits than a newbie. So that's kind of a bit (LOT) misleading many times....

    I mean, you see people like Geroge Brown and Daniel Brock etc and any succesful marketer who are clearly doing something right and crushing it at what ever they do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ray01
    some people just smarter than others, more experience in selling techniques, that's the fact
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    It's all very well saying work, focus, drive etc...but most of the sales letters hype up the "less than 10 minutes a day, no previous knowledge needed.no investment needed, " etc.....so maybe you need to stop calling newbies for falling for the "hyped up" sales letter. Most sell an unobtainable dream. It's not all their fault.
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  • Profile picture of the author frnkrt
    Big marketers take big risks. And that risk can spell thousands of dollars spent on advertising, outsourcing and stuff. As for some marketers, once they earn some hundred dollars on one project, they spend it and next thing they know they're back to zero- true story! I think that's me.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanleedotcom
    "They work harder and probably smarter too. They sacrifice the super bowl to put up an extra 10 websites."

    That is a perfect summary from Brian.

    This week, we flew our Top 10 affiliates to Key West for the week. All of them were ordinary personal trainers (with no technical skills) when they started with my products. Now, most are earning 7 figures (Mike Geary: Truth about Abs, Isabel Del Los Rios: Diet Solution, Vince DelMonte: Muscle Building)

    None of them were "sales people".

    But they had a singular focus. They were determined. They studied and applied the action. They outworked their competition (and still do). They attend live events, network their butts off and built RELATIONSHIPS. And they also built a business around their passion.

    That, my friend, are the keys to success.

    There is no magic bullet. And hopping from the 'flavor of the month" to the next big 'crusher 'product is not they way the people earning BIG money do it.

    I've been online for over 11+ years, and the keys to success NEVER change.

    -Ryan Lee
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    • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
      I wonder how many people are able to make the average income of the country they live in through IM? I would say about 2% of the people involved in IM.
      As for super afiliates and the like it is a prymid structure: there are masses at the bottom with a very few occupying the top slots. I guess that is no different to how the world works.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

        I wonder how many people are able to make the average income of the country they live in through IM? I would say about 2% of the people involved in IM.
        As for super afiliates and the like it is a prymid structure: there are masses at the bottom with a very few occupying the top slots. I guess that is no different to how the world works.
        This is true, but without a large degree of hard work, persistence and the willingness to sacrifice and do what average people simply won't commit to doing, this pyramid structure will continue to exist.

        People have to realize that internet marketing is not like a job where you just go in and "clock" a certain number of hours, and get paid for it. In the beginning, you really have to grind it out and do what 99% of others won't, and sacrifice your free/leisure time in order to learn and implement things on a massive scale in IM.

        I've been fortunate enough to get to know several millionaire IMers quite well, and what I've found strikingly similar is how they all got started. During the initial stages, they all spent practically every waking hour learning and implementing their IM craft obsessively, sacrificing time with friends and family and forgoing most if not all forms of entertainment/leisure.

        Unfortunately, many people want to have their cake and eat it too - they want to enjoy themselves like normal people, while still raking in the big money. This simply isn't going to occur in reality, and this is one of the main reasons why you see so few truly succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    The successful internet marketer have something that can't been find in every man, that is determination against all odds.

    When you are determine, you will be pushed to go out of your way to do so many extra ordinary things.

    I once heard from one successful internet marketer that i can't really remember his name now. He said, whenever there is a job to be done, he prefers to assign it to the lazy ones.

    I hear you say that would be a disaster, but guess what, the lazy ones always find a simpler way of getting tedious work a lot easier and faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author ejb2059
    I'm finding that on the web, people are still looking for that "overnite miracle" that will make them a millioniare in a day ... That's sad -

    I'm still a relative "newbie" out here but I'm making money ..Not millions (yet) but I've proven to myself that it can be done IF I APPLY MYSELF!

    I agree with my fellow warriors that it takes hard work, and that to many people quit before the dream becomes reality .. Internet marketing is like anything else, you get out of it what you put into it ..Period

    I'm still learning and in my "trial and error" phase but again, I've made more money than I've lost and / or at least broke even.. To me, this is success, and the fuel to drive me to the next level

    My Dad always told me "Son, a fool and his money are soon parted" and "if it sounds to good to be true, it is!"... I try to follow this advice and carefully pick / choose what I'm going to spend my money on ..

    What I am finding is that the "tried and true" methods are the steps to success..Things like finding your "niche" building a solid list, keeping it, and yourself "real" and standing behind what you promote ...Trust & integrity are everything and people respond to that -

    I've been lucky to have the ability to sift through the nonsense, and hear what other successful marketers say / teach ..

    I'm on the right road and I know I'll get there someday ..Just gotta keep walking / moving forward .

    If nothing else, I know the "big boys" were once like us and had to start somewhere .. I don't fault them for their success, I applaud it and do what I can to learn from, and replicate it
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  • Profile picture of the author terrencewan
    Many can't stick to these 3 words :

    FOCUS, CONSISTENT, PERSISTENT

    That's why they fail.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kai Pei
      Why do some marketers fail while others succeed?

      If you've been an entrepreneur for any length of time, you're bound to hear about the 80/20 rule.

      In the very early 1900's, an Italian economist by the name of Vilfredo Pareto created a mathematical formula describing the unequal distribution of wealth he observed and measured in his country: Pareto observed that roughly twenty percent of the people controlled or owned eighty percent of the wealth.

      So true.

      It was back then and it still is today.

      In sales and marketing (and virtually every other endeavor), there are always those that rise to the top. I've witnessed this throughout my career as both a salesperson and the CEO of my own company.

      At one point, I had an office with over 45 employees working in-house (with over 30 salespeople working the phones). And I noticed that certain salespeople always outperformed the others.

      There are two distinct characteristics that allows top producers to inch their way into the top spots consistently.

      And those traits are DRIVE & FOCUS.

      Can you define your goal?

      And once you do, are you willing do everything in your power to attain it?

      Super affiliates achieve success because they have the ability to set their eyes on the prize and take the necessary steps every day to move closer to that goal with intense focus, ignoring distractions along the way.

      When you put DRIVE and burning desire into the mix, you've got the winning ingredients for success.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Peltonen
        Oh I just love it whenever someone asks a beautiful question to talk about and someone gives a very interesting answer to discuss.

        I have to say, that information Kai Wai just shared to us here was really something. It sounded a lot like research because it's really good and I enjoyed it.

        Whenever you start something, you should always have a goal. Then you begin to define the methods on how you're gonna reach it. Should your methods fail, your goal is still there and so you just change the method. Which I think why some people fail. They never had a goal to push them through for them to think of the means they should do to achieve it. And some people becomes successful because they always set a goal for themselves.

        It's like a simple science of achieving success and I really think this kind of thing works no matter how simple it sounds.
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    • The people who make it are DETERMINED and they don't quit. If something doesn't work they try something else. If you give up easy, your get filtered out, thats just how anything in life works. Survival of the fittest.

      Also think about it, the people that make it, don't just make it over night ( not most of the time) Ask them how many times they failed. I bet it was a lot. If you are afraid to fail, this is not the place for you. You have to pretty much embrace failure, learn from it and KEEP GOING. Havign a good plan and a person to hold you accountable also really help.

      I read a lot of books, I don't know which one it was, but the title of the chapter was " The Sure Way to Success" and the secret was : If you want the fast track to success, just double your rate of failure!:p
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    • Profile picture of the author George Langer
      Nice ideas!

      I think that everybody can be successful. You must:
      - be strongly motivated
      - take action
      - walk the right way! (learn from successful people)

      To your success
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  • Profile picture of the author anhhh
    I'm just an newbie, but i guess, as long as you work hard and smart, you can succeed in most of areas, not only in online marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author FamilyAffairs
    There’s really a big list of reasons for this like others in this post have already said – lack of planning, looking for the quick easy ways, the magic buttons, the next best thing distractions, moneys not coming quick enough so I must move on etc.

    The biggest obstacle that I had was thinking I had to learn everything first. You know the saying (jack of all master of none). Think of learning and implementing as a funnel. If you are learning more than you’re doing then your funnel will eventually get clogged up.

    Brendon burchard says it best; learn and implement 1 or 2 things – master them or at the least do them very well before moving on to the next best thing out there.

    Let’s not forget about persistence. The one who sticks it out will get further than the one who jumps around.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
      Originally Posted by FamilyAffairs View Post

      There's really a big list of reasons for this like others in this post have already said - lack of planning, looking for the quick easy ways, the magic buttons, the next best thing distractions, moneys not coming quick enough so I must move on etc.

      The biggest obstacle that I had was thinking I had to learn everything first. You know the saying (jack of all master of none). Think of learning and implementing as a funnel. If you are learning more than you're doing then your funnel will eventually get clogged up.

      Brendon burchard says it best; learn and implement 1 or 2 things - master them or at the least do them very well before moving on to the next best thing out there.

      Let's not forget about persistence. The one who sticks it out will get further than the one who jumps around.
      Nail on the head Kevin. you just about covered the major problems here. I think some people also get discouraged by the liars and cheats, often contradicting each other.

      Newcomers need to know there are honest mentors and product vendors out there, but it's almost impossible to know when all the emails you get are for an 'awesome' push button system.
      Getting things in the right order, taking time to learn, and being kind to yourself. These are key to succeeding.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    It's a bit like looking at the top 10 movie stars in the world and then asking why 99% of actors are either scraping a living or broke. Whils the big names are living in mansions, multi millionaires etc. Same in every industry.

    You go on and on about hard work, yet timing and having an edge is MUCH more important! Yeah i know.....anyone can succeed if they work hard enough ,blah,blah without an edge you are at best going to scrape a living.

    Once you have been in the game long enough and peekig behnd the curstin you see why the big gurus really do make their livings. I mean everyone hre has said "hard work" yet he wer are a certain 4 hour week is the best seller. People do not wan tto ork gard, they ant easy push buttin money..so they sell them that dream. You have to hard as well. If you have a coscience in this game you won't go far.

    People who push that are the ones sellnig the courses and dreams to the masses.

    Ask your-slef what's your edge? Haven't got one? you miugbt make a decent living out of it bu it'll be tough
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    • Profile picture of the author zanbrok
      im glad you mentioned the 4 hour work week. Exactly, there are several IM'ers making 6 figures monthly and doing it with a 4 hour work week but they probably spent thousands of hours preparing the ground work, employees, earning some base cash to invest in domains, setting up sites or site, coaching, and or self learning.
      The 4 hour work week applies to business in general. You need to set yourself up. Sometimes this can take many years. Most people would rather just take the mediocre pay cheque that arrives next week and thus stick to the working class rat race world.



      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      It's a bit like looking at the top 10 movie stars in the world and then asking why 99% of actors are either scraping a living or broke. Whils the big names are living in mansions, multi millionaires etc. Same in every industry.

      You go on and on about hard work, yet timing and having an edge is MUCH more important! Yeah i know.....anyone can succeed if they work hard enough ,blah,blah without an edge you are at best going to scrape a living.

      Once you have been in the game long enough and peekig behnd the curstin you see why the big gurus really do make their livings. I mean everyone hre has said "hard work" yet he wer are a certain 4 hour week is the best seller. People do not wan tto ork gard, they ant easy push buttin money..so they sell them that dream. You have to hard as well. If you have a coscience in this game you won't go far.

      People who push that are the ones sellnig the courses and dreams to the masses.

      Ask your-slef what's your edge? Haven't got one? you miugbt make a decent living out of it bu it'll be tough
      Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author louise0evans
    i think its mindset, they treat there internet marketing not like a quick cash lottery ticket, but more as a business, also responsible of their results to keep improving to get the right results and duplicated what works.....

    and i think the main thing is persistence and focus, most people have a lack of focus so they move on to another system again and again when they dont get results....

    how can you get results with anything if youre trying everything only for a small while, and dont try to improve on what you are already doing??
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I think the biggest obstacle why most succeed and others don't is simply impatience, too many people are giving up because the latest fad they heard good things about didn't work, many marketers have to realise the net is constantly changing and what worked a few years ago or even months may no longer be the case if a search engine suddenly changes its algorithm
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  • Profile picture of the author heathwaive
    also they don"t tell you everything that they are doing.. I am sure that they are sharing a percentage of there secrets so they can continue there own success without an increase in competition
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  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    Easy to answer...They fail faster and early on.
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  • I think that the reason that most fail and few succeed in a big way because of what is going on upstairs in the mind. The mind moves the body to action. If you can learn to control your mind, then you can control the body and circumstances in your life. The power of the mind is immeasurable. I think that tuning the mind for success is one thing most people leave out of the equation. One's beliefs dictate the results they will get. The answer to every problem already exists in the universe. You just have to align yourself with the frequency of Love and all good things will be brought to you. But you have to be aware enough to be able to realize when an opportunity comes your way. Also how happy are you as a person? If you feel miserable and negative in life, you will attract negative and miserable things in your life. Your business is no exception either. what do you expect to happen? That is what you will get if you can have complete faith in that. Your life is a reflection of the thoughts and feelings that you have. I don't think most people know what having faith is. Faith is believing in the things you cannot see. Another thing people have to think about is how much time are you putting into educating yourself? There are tons of people who love sharing information on here. I think that success comes from being happy on the inside !!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author OneLifeAway
    I believe why some people fail and others simply do not is because some people really attack and go after what they love. For instance...
    I am currently working with a guy who calls people up, brings them to dinner, talks, talks, and talks, as well as go to their families funerals etc. This guy makes millions a year doing this. He simply becomes really good friends with the people he wants to get money from and it works.

    Now I am not saying you have to do that to get to where you want to go but you have to do everything you can to succeed and in the end you will. Just keep at it and keep at it. ATTACK it and you will succeed. Some people hit a road block and end it. That is why they fail.
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  • Profile picture of the author omk
    I think it's the person. After a certain point, everybody knows the same things. The final piece of the puzzle is the person. Your mindset, work habits and focus are what put you over the top. Of course if you have the mindset, work habits and focus, but are doing the wrong things, you'll never make it.
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  • Profile picture of the author royljestr
    The thing is that most newbies want something handed to them on a silver platter...they don't actually want to work for it. Think about the gurus...where did THEY learn the stuff?? Probably from forums and from just trying stuff!

    So, figure out what style of business best fits you and your personality and then just got for it..when you feel like you have an unanswered question just search for it...there a site called google.com that will generally tell you just about everything you need to know
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
      Originally Posted by royljestr View Post

      The thing is that most newbies want something handed to them on a silver platter...they don't actually want to work for it. Think about the gurus...where did THEY learn the stuff?? Probably from forums and from just trying stuff!
      Trying stuff empties your wallet and eats your time.

      Many people are prepared to work, but simply don't know what to do in what order.

      You must try to recall that this industry is full of jargon, and a newbie doesn't know about places like the War Room and IM Report Card, where they can impartial judgements on products, and the people selling them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
        OK, finally got here after getting distracted on the way . . .

        Oh, that's one - Distraction. Whether it's the TV, another amazing offer email, a product video, or spending too much time in Warrior Forum; the distractions can stop even the hardest working individual from moving on.

        Money. Contrary to the regular sagas, a lot of the successful 'gurus' had money to invest, when sales were easier. With plenty of money you can buy - skills, education, lists etc. Even one gentleman I respect a lot,did not start off broke. His work has however is excellent, in my opinion, the best there is - And he's English!

        Pace. Newcomers don't realize that There's No Magic Instant Pill. They shuld be advised that this business takes time, patience and persistance to be successful. (How DO you spell persistance?)

        Focus. Stay with one thing. Keep working at it until you succeed. Empty you email box - like buses, there'll be another one along soon.

        Targets. Aim for the first 10 bucks. When you get it, the elation will carry you forward.

        Now I've writ it down, I'd better try walking the talk.
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        • Profile picture of the author zanbrok
          Persistence

          Originally Posted by Alan Ashwood View Post


          Pace. Newcomers don't realize that There's No Magic Instant Pill. They shuld be advised that this business takes time, patience and persistance to be successful. (How DO you spell persistance?)
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          • Profile picture of the author James Clark
            That is a tough question to answer. They can read the customer's mind. (LOL) What I mean is they give information the prospect can use TODAY, period.

            If you listen to a Webinar you'll will find some people are better then others. If you conduct an interview with a so called Guru and the visitors leave with a strategy they can implement right away, you are home free.

            (Boom you hit the jackpot)

            Would you come back again? Sure you would. Well I would!

            Some Marketers just don't think about things they are during sometimes. Most of the free stuff that is being passed around is the same old information. Try getting an interview with one of big name in your niche and watch your credibility go up real fast.

            However, keep it mind that its not east to get the interview in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author TAFTON
    What a great thread this is.

    I searched for Brendon Burchard and some how got here but this is a fantastic read.

    All your opinions could be translated into excellent advice on how to succeed in IM.

    I'm tempted to copy and paste it ALL and make an E Book!! Kidding of course ;-)

    I've nothing to add as it's all been said!

    Great minds we have in this Warrior Forum.
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    HARD WORK AND SACRIFICE YOUR LIFE IF YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE INDUSTRY
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  • Profile picture of the author Liam Ireland
    Originally Posted by tjm2788 View Post

    Do you ever think that the select few marketers are hiding something?

    I mean, you see people like Geroge Brown and Daniel Brock etc and any succesful marketer who are clearly doing something right and crushing it at what ever they do.

    They then release thier courses we pay them and follow them and get average results at best and then we move on and repeat cycle with the next person.
    Before anyone thinks this is a rant because I havent been dedicated enough, and made any money, it's not. I am earning money from methods I have learnt in courses and i'm grateful for this.

    I guess what I'm saying is, what sets the super affilliates out from the crowd? What are they doing that other people arent?
    I completely agree with you. I mean the super affiliates must be hiding something, they woulden't reveal everything to everyone. That would be just dumb.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I've been in the IM business for 10 years now and for those
    present 'gurus' who started new with me I can say that they were
    not any smarter than other marketers but 2 things I see
    set them apart.

    1. They owned their own products very early in the game
    2. They concentrated on list-building.

    Some additional things I would add is networking with other
    'gurus' and entering coaching programs with some bigger
    names like Jay Abraham, Dan Kennedy etc.

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  • Profile picture of the author yssync
    Sounds almost exactly like Network Marketing as far as failing rate - 90%? (Network Marketing is more like 97% fail..) I guess it's the same "Marketing" world?
    I've been in both for only about 6 months now and very little money made so far, but I won't quit!
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    • Profile picture of the author KenB
      I've grown to understand that 95% that don't succeed relies on 3 main factors.

      1) They don't know which direction to go.

      2) Information Overload (Thoughts get scrambled)

      3) New business experience, lack of confidence.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Ogbin
    A lot of people thinking that Making Money online is like try to complete a Chinese puzzle!!

    I told you that is so simple make a little money at first and then grow your solid business; just read some internet marketing methods. just purchase one from a credibity one, watch each method and practice each one separately until you finish it, then move to another one.

    "Action takers are the money makers"
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    • Profile picture of the author carzan
      The difference is just one word:

      ACTION

      Do'ers get results...even if they screw up first...the secret is to keep going...
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  • Profile picture of the author LastWarrior
    One of the posts I had to "Thanks!" because that could have been my reply.

    Another thing to consider is the person's mindset of how Internet Marketing goes. You are only paid for productivity. You can put in 12 hours a day finding the right WSO, auto-responder service, product, website builder, opt-in form, squeeze page, computer, desk, membership site, forum, outsourcers, clickbank product, etc, etc, but if you don't actually sell anything, you really haven't done what you set out to do. A person's mentality has to switch from employee mode to production mode. An employee has the luxury of taking a day off and not suffer from it because they have "sick days" banked. They have the luxury of getting paid days off, a dental plan, a medical plan, a health plan, a vacation plan, an investment plan and retirement plan. With an Internet Marketer, ALL that is on the marketer. An employee has the luxury of letting the worries of work be left behind when the shift is done. With the IMer, those thoughts and worries are with us 24 hours a day. An employee has the luxury of not producing very well one day and still get paid in full for it. The IMer may get an off-day and their bank account suffers for it.

    With all the confusing things an IMer needs to know or can know, the hindrance of decision constipation is prevalent because they don't know where to focus their attention at. There are so many ways to make money utilizing the internet, the first thing most people encounter is trying to decide where to put their focus and in the end they wind up stretching their efforts over several methods instead of concentrating on one aspect and learning it like a professional. If the IMer can concentrate their daily focus on an aspect of IM'ing, learn it, practice it, study it and make concerted efforts to see their plan come to fruition without giving up, then they'll realize the effort was worth it in the end. Pick a niche, a method and go for it!

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  • Profile picture of the author juddw
    I think its like most professions in life - as long as you're dedicated, put your heart and soul into it, remain positive, focused and driven about about a single purpose, you WILL succeed... ain't that so?

    Thing is, in the IM world, I reckon for every so-called guru who launches a course detailing their methods to the world, there are probably nine or ten who also succeed but don't release their methods.

    In fact, I'll go so far as to say the ones who don't release their methods and remain below the radar are probably more successful than those who do!

    "Those who can, do, those who can't, teach..."
    and before all the teachers have a go at me for that...
    "The person who knows, but does not use, does not yet know!"
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    • Profile picture of the author zanbrok
      Lets not forget that most all IM gurus are getting rich by scamming desperate newbie wannabes . Do you really think they are gonna show you how to make all that income they promise you so easily so you can then take the money away from them?

      The ones that really succeed, i mean 5 and 6 figures a month, they keep quiet and keep doing what they do hoping to ride out the income as long as possible before something changes or more competition comes along. All of which is inevitable anyways. Look at what happened since 2000. or even just in the last 5 years.

      Originally Posted by juddw View Post

      I think its like most professions in life - as long as you're dedicated, put your heart and soul into it, remain positive, focused and driven about about a single purpose, you WILL succeed... ain't that so?

      Thing is, in the IM world, I reckon for every so-called guru who launches a course detailing their methods to the world, there are probably nine or ten who also succeed but don't release their methods.

      In fact, I'll go so far as to say the ones who don't release their methods and remain below the radar are probably more successful than those who do!

      "Those who can, do, those who can't, teach..."
      and before all the teachers have a go at me for that...
      "The person who knows, but does not use, does not yet know!"
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve20
    I think it's that drive that people have, some people just want it more than others.
    The people that want it the most and actually stick with it long enough to see it work are the ones that mostly succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author iyazam
    Gurus are very successful because they are very good at one thing: The Art of Self Promotion. It took me a long time to understand that but thats what it really comes down to.

    All you need to do is master the art of self promotion and you will be well on your way.

    The secret is that when you market - don't promote yourself.."I this and I that"....always market pre-selling information. Remember You are not promoting yourself - you are promoting your information/knowledge/expertise/experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Same reasons why some athletes succeed and most of them don't.

    Power. Focus. Natural ability. Hard training. And so on.

    IM is not different from real world.
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    People make good money selling to the rich. But the rich got rich selling to the masses.
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  • Most people have problems with mindset, focus and other inner game issues yet focus on techniques and think that is what they need to learn and miss the entire point. It's always in any business that very few make it that is life.
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    soon people... Relax...
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  • Profile picture of the author RogerAderholdt
    I think it comes down to this...

    They are willing to WORK hard to make it happen.

    Yes that 4 letter word that makes most people STOP and QUIT,

    WORK.

    Winners never Quit and Quitters never Win.

    Now get to WORK and make something great happen to YOU.

    I'm always amazed at how many people tell me how lucky I am to have retired when I was only 33 year old.

    However the LUCK that they don't see is 20 years of hard labor working 16 - 18 hours per day and often 7 days per week.

    Was I LUCKY?

    No.... I was just blessed to have parents who told me how importnat HARD WORK was to reach my goals of early retirement.

    I'm convinces that anyone can make it online if they are willing to work hard enought to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dracor
    I think you're right... I believe many marketers are just out there making money off others who want to get ahead, but they're not giving away their secrets (or their secrets are that they're ripping us off!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Richy Burns
    1st off there is no hidden secret, because how then did they find this "secret" when they started. Id say 3 things-better work ethic, smart decisions and outsourcing
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
    Skills and Focus. You have to learn how and then you have to focus on implementing what you have learned.

    Most people do not really learn how to succeed online. If they do learn how they spend to much time jumping around from one opportunity to the next without ever really making money in any of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author ginak59
    One important point; how many marketers create a program or book if they're not a success? What if being successful at any business was for the most part due to random factors; being at the right place at the right time, getting into a market before it becomes glutted, being in a market before Google makes a big algorithm change?

    The successful marketer writes a book or creates a program but this does not mean his or her success can be duplicated.

    Just something to consider.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    its unbelievable that hardly no one has mentioned about building a list lol

    how ever before you can just go out there and build a list you have to be able to offer people something of value ie (a product)

    in order to create a product in the IM niche you need to have experience, skills, marketing knowledge and various other pieces of the jigsaw before you are ready to build a list

    so the way it works is....

    you learn
    you implement what you learn
    get results
    create a course or ebook which will help your market
    create a valuable free givaway
    build a list
    sell your product to your list
    = create a loyal subscriber list of customers which like and trust you

    those are the building blocks of a successful online business in a nutshell

    now could you lease forward $97 to my paypal account lol!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Richardson
    Bottom line - They were more dedicated than there competitors.
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    • I'm reminded of recipes. You know, those things that tell you how much of this and that goes into a dish.

      Cooks who have developed great recipes are often badgered into sharing them. But they don't really share; they leave out one key ingredient that makes all the difference.

      Which is why I don't buy systems, methods, plans... They sound great because they're about 90% of the recipe. But they'll never work without that missing 10%.

      Concoct your own tasty recipes.

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