Auto Blogging Is Auto Stealing

by Harlan
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Auto Blogging has been around for a few years.

There are many different models of auto blogging. And there have been products selling blog and ping programs for years.

And it's been a game of cat and mouse with Google.

I remember one of the first products found content based on a keyword, posted it to your blog, and then pinged your blog.

It ran constantly and these blogs rose to the top of the search engines overnight.

Then these auto-post blogs were discovered and banned.

There are now a number of auto-blog products out there that go out and scrape content and post them to WordPress.

They work really well. They can get great rankings dependent on your keywords but here are the problems as I see it:

1. Many of them scrape content without attribution. This is stealing.

2. Google is aware of the scraping of content and is currently building a new model that will exclude sites built on this model.

Of course it's easier to scrape content than create your own.

There just has to be a better way.

Harlan
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  • Profile picture of the author mygold
    Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

    They work really well. They can get great rankings dependent on your keywords but here are the problems as I see it:

    1. Many of them scrape content without attribution. This is stealing.

    2. Google is aware of the scraping of content and is currently building a new model that will exclude sites built on this model.

    Of course it's easier to scrape content than create your own.

    There just has to be a better way?

    Harlan

    I have noted the problems faced by you. But in SEO we all need auto blogging as you know it very well. Everything has both right and wrong sides. which one we will accept that is should be our concern.

    Thats all
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    • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
      Originally Posted by mygold View Post

      I have noted the problems faced by you. But in SEO we all need auto blogging as you know it very well.
      Thats all
      Really??? Seriously?? I can't believe you said that LOL we "need" autoblogging in SEO? Hmmmm interesting. I am going to have to take the NO Chuck for the daily double....afraid you are in Jeopardy for that one sir
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    • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
      Originally Posted by mygold View Post

      I have noted the problems faced by you. But in SEO we all need auto blogging as you know it very well. Everything has both right and wrong sides. which one we will accept that is should be our concern.

      Thats all
      ??? Can someone explain to me why we need autoblogging in SEO? Must have missed that part...

      As long as the attribution is done correctly (which is something that many, many autobloggers actually take the time to do), I don't have an issue with it. If I put content out there for syndication (in article directories, etc), why shouldn't someone use it?

      But really, I don't spend a lot of time worrying about people scraping my content via autoblogs. Only so much time in a day, and so many other things to do!
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by mygold View Post

      I have noted the problems faced by you. But in SEO we all need auto blogging as you know it very well. Everything has both right and wrong sides. which one we will accept that is should be our concern.

      Thats all
      We don't need it the way it's done now, do we?

      Because I need the SEO it's okay to steal?

      I know you don't mean that.

      What do you mean?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Hi Harlan,

    We both know there is a better way than scraping sites.
    It called outsourcing.

    It may cost us monetarily but when the G Hammer comes down guess who's sites
    will still be there and rising in the serps?

    Have a Great Day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      We both know there is a better way than scraping sites.
      It called outsourcing.
      And hope they don't outsource by scraping.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
        Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

        Hi Harlan,

        We both know there is a better way than scraping sites.
        It called outsourcing.

        It may cost us monetarily but when the G Hammer comes down guess who's sites
        will still be there and rising in the serps?

        Have a Great Day!
        Michael
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        And hope they don't outsource by scraping.
        That's were building a relationship with your outsourcers can make a big
        difference.

        Have a Great Day!
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        • Profile picture of the author Affportal
          Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

          That's were building a relationship with your outsourcers can make a big
          difference.
          I'm with you on that one. I hired a girl in the fall from the Philippines for $80 a week and she does a great job. I don't even need to proof her work.

          I built about 400 auto blogs in the summer and darned if I didn't just get bored building crap sites. I'm sure it works well for some but it's really not my thing and I gave it a good whirl with a decent budget.

          Made me realize I enjoy making good niche sites with good content. Not too much to worry about there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Julie McElroy
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        And hope they don't outsource by scraping.
        Exactly!!

        I think I may be the only blogger left on the planet who still writes my own blog posts and articles. It takes time and I am NOT rich, but something inside of me just tells me shortcuts are never a great long-term business plan--- I am sure I will get an earful here, but I guess I am old-fashioned that way..... to each their own!
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        • Profile picture of the author TLCarroll
          Originally Posted by Julie McElroy View Post

          Exactly!!

          I think I may be the only blogger left on the planet who still writes my own blog posts and articles. It takes time and I am NOT rich, but something inside of me just tells me shortcuts are never a great long-term business plan--- I am sure I will get an earful here, but I guess I am old-fashioned that way..... to each their own!
          And there are plenty of autobloggers who also write thier own blog posts and articles, then they pre-schedule those blog posts and articles to be posted on thier blogs over time.

          Voila, ethical AUTOBLOGGING! Get it?

          YOUR blog posts and articles, NOT anyone else's. And it's called autoblogging because the content is set to post automatically.

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          • Profile picture of the author Harlan
            Originally Posted by TLCarroll View Post

            And there are plenty of autobloggers who also write thier own blog posts and articles, then they pre-schedule those blog posts and articles to be posted on thier blogs over time.

            Voila, ethical AUTOBLOGGING! Get it?

            YOUR blog posts and articles, NOT anyone else's. And it's called autoblogging because the content is set to post automatically.

            That's by no way autoblogging. You are doing the work.

            Autoblogging is when it runs by itself.
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            • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
              Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

              That's by no way autoblogging. You are doing the work.

              Autoblogging is when it runs by itself.
              That is a matter of opinion - obviously, because we're seeing the term used in several contexts.

              I've been using autoblogging for years - with my own content.

              The fact that I can drop any new content into a folder and have it sent to my network of blogs automatically is what I call autoblogging. If your definition only includes grabbing other people's content - that's your perspective and maybe you should make it clear or define it before arguing with people that have a different perspective.

              You're coming across as though you think you're right and any other perspective is wrong - which is obviously not the case and I'm sure you're not arrogant enough to actually think that either. It's just a communication thing.

              As an NLPer I would have thought that one of your precepts would be that "the meaning of your communication is the response it elicits" and that you'd be more open to adapting your communication based on people's responses rather than reverting to snide remarks and "it wouldn't be a discussion without personal attacks" type comments. You're not holding yourself to the same standard you're expecting from others is how it looks.
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              • Profile picture of the author Harlan
                Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

                That is a matter of opinion - obviously, because we're seeing the term used in several contexts.

                I've been using autoblogging for years - with my own content.

                The fact that I can drop any new content into a folder and have it sent to my network of blogs automatically is what I call autoblogging. If your definition only includes grabbing other people's content - that's your perspective and maybe you should make it clear or define it before arguing with people that have a different perspective.
                I think my original post is about scraping the Internet for content without attribution.

                That's what my point and focus is about.

                Not someone timing their blog posts.

                The Map IS The Territory - Richard Bandler
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                • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                  Hi Harlan,

                  Auto Blogging Is Auto Stealing

                  [snip]

                  I think my original post is about scraping the Internet for content without attribution.

                  That's what my point and focus is about.

                  Not someone timing their blog posts.
                  It's already been answered in post #49 overleaf.

                  But you probably won't see this due to post #43

                  Ah, I see your OP has completely changed since yesterday....
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                • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
                  Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                  The Map IS The Territory - Richard Bandler
                  I believe he said IS NOT..... That's what he said to me and it's what I've read in his books and heard in his videos and audios.
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                • Profile picture of the author TLCarroll
                  Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                  I think my original post is about scraping the Internet for content without attribution.

                  That's what my point and focus is about.
                  If your argument lies with the automation itself, then that assertion would be disingenuous on your part as many have pointed out that it is possible to scrape the Internet for content without attribution with NON-automated blogs as well.

                  Content scraping sites began as HANDMADE blogs before there was technology available to build with automation.

                  If you are deadset against automation itself it leads me to wonder if every blog you build is handcoded in HTML as opposed to using any form of automation, ie: the use of an editor or such, to build. If you are using any sort of automation to build your sites, by your own predjudicial definition you are guilty of making autoblogs and further by your definition, stealing.

                  Have I understood you clearly since following this and numerous other threads where you've offered your opinion that autoblogging equates with content stealing?
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        • Profile picture of the author Marian
          Originally Posted by Julie McElroy View Post

          Exactly!!

          I think I may be the only blogger left on the planet who still writes my own blog posts and articles. It takes time and I am NOT rich, but something inside of me just tells me shortcuts are never a great long-term business plan--- I am sure I will get an earful here, but I guess I am old-fashioned that way..... to each their own!

          That's great Julie, but still you can automate it in some way. That's my take on autoblogging. I also use my own articles and some PLR stuff- BUT - I'm not manually posting each of it!

          Someone should really write a WIKI for autoblogging - it's not "automatically" spamming or auto-scraping!

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      • Profile picture of the author BeechHill
        Originally Posted by ReportKing View Post

        I anxiously await the day that Google comes up with an algorithm to ban these sites and render autoblogging useless. Autoblogs ususally don't provide anythign more than an excerpt, they don't provide a good experience for the user, and they hinder authors and article marketers who rely on their articles beong republished properly for valid backlinks and traffic.
        Might that day have already arrived? Over on Matt Cutts Blog dated January 28th:

        My post mentioned that "we're evaluating multiple changes that should help drive spam levels even lower, including one change that primarily affects sites that copy others' content and sites with low levels of original content." That change was approved at our weekly quality launch meeting last Thursday and launched earlier this week.
        The case could be a mute point in another several months.
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        • Profile picture of the author Harlan
          Originally Posted by BeechHill View Post

          Might that day have already arrived? Over on Matt Cutts Blog dated January 28th:



          The case could be a mute point in another several months.
          That's what I'm expecting. I see the algorithm changing within the year.
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          • Profile picture of the author BeechHill
            There is some reason to fear that these changes by Google may also affect Amazon, ClickBank and similar review sites that scrape their content and original reviews from the primary authors.

            While I'm fairly new at this, I'm betting, with both my time and money, that unless you start producing an original product, and or, role up your sleeves to put the work into your own content, it may be very hard to rank with the search engines in the near future.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
          Originally Posted by BeechHill View Post

          Might that day have already arrived? Over on Matt Cutts Blog dated January 28th:



          The case could be a mute point in another several months.
          That's the problem with short-cuts. Even though they might be legit when they flood the market Google finds a way to slap it down.

          It's happened to me with BANS and other things. I've never scraped or done things like that but Google wants real content period.

          It's like the little kid who doesn't learn... 10 years ago you could throw up an AdSense site with no content and make money than SLAP... then it was the Google Cash... hey don't even need a site to cash in... SLAP... Then BANS, nice... I'll put up a bunch of thin eBay sites and cash in... SLAP. I finally learned the lesson which is why didn't waste time with auto blogs.

          In the past I have put up Wordpress sites manually put then loaded 52 articles to post once a week for a years worth of content but they were outsourced articles or PLR. Is that considered an auto blog?
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          • Profile picture of the author Harlan
            Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post


            In the past I have put up Wordpress sites manually put then loaded 52 articles to post once a week for a years worth of content but they were outsourced articles or PLR. Is that considered an auto blog?
            Not by my definition. I can't think of anyone who would think it as an autoblog.
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            • Profile picture of the author ExRat
              Hi Harlan,

              If you show me auto blogs that don't scrape and steal, I'll be happy to revisit the topic.
              Services like Unique Article Wizard (there are others) charge users a monthly fee, the users then submit spin ready articles with their links either in the body or the sig.

              The service then spins these articles and sends them to autobloggers/bloggers. In some cases these unique (spun) articles also go to article directories, in all cases they are also available for free to people with blogs. For example, they can set up a blog to receive these articles by email and auto-approve them for posting.

              These are autoblogs that don't scrape and/or steal. The content creators want and pay money to encourage others to syndicate their articles via their autoblogs (or manublogs).

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              • Profile picture of the author BeechHill
                Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                Hi Harlan,

                Services like Unique Article Wizard (there are others) charge users a monthly fee, the users then submit spin ready articles with their links either in the body or the sig.

                In some cases these unique (spun) articles also go to article directories, in all cases they are also available for free to people with blogs. For example, they can set up a blog to receive these articles by email and auto-approve them for posting.

                These are autoblogs that don't scrape and/or steal.

                LINK
                My only concern here is just how smart the Google algorithms will get to weed out these so called unique spun articles which are respun many times. As to the notice I posted up-thread about them putting further screws to "unoriginal content". If Google can translate languages at the speed of light you can also rest assured that their spiders have a built in thesaurus.

                It's a question of how close to the bone do they get before they have trouble in flagging the real thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    Sorry Harlan but I have to disagree...

    Not ALL autobloggers steal content, therefore not ALL autoblogging is "Auto Stealing".

    It may have been that way at one time but things change with the times and autoblogging is no different.

    You are a seasoned member here and supposedly a seasoned internet marketer and I am shocked to hear something so incorrect and close minded come from someone like you. To be honest, you should know better! When you start threads like this (or any other thread attacking any other IM method) all you do is falsely accuse, scare people who don’t know better and help add to the bad name that IM has in general.

    I'm sorry but your post is way off base.
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    • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

      Sorry Harlan but I have to disagree...

      Not ALL autobloggers steal content, therefore not ALL autoblogging is "Auto Stealing".

      It may have been that way at one time but things change with the times and autoblogging is no different.

      You are a seasoned member here and supposedly a seasoned internet marketer and I am shocked to hear something so incorrect and close minded come from someone like you. To be honest, you should be know better! When you start threads like this (or any other thread attacking any other IM method) all you do is falsely accuse, scare people who don't know better and help add to the bad name that IM has in general.

      I'm sorry but your post is way off base.
      Sir could you share some examples where auto blogging and taking others content isn't stealing? I think though not 100% sure that is what Harlan is referring to.

      But hey I am not so smart that I can't learn something new (laughing). Because every time I have seen those autoblogs they were snatching content not in a article marketing way but from the RSS and using them on their blog with no original content.

      But again respectfully I am open to learn your concept on auto blogging because I know I don't know everything. I look forward to your reply
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      • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
        Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

        Sir could you share some examples where auto blogging and taking others content isn't stealing? I think though not 100% sure that is what Harlan is referring to.

        But hey I am not so smart that I can't learn something new (laughing). Because every time I have seen those autoblogs they were snatching content not in a article marketing way but from the RSS and using them on their blog with no original content.

        But again respectfully I am open to learn your concept on auto blogging because I know I don't know everything. I look forward to your reply
        I know several other autobloggers here on the forum and many of them (myself included) dont even use RSS feeds to supply our blogs with content.

        There are far too many sources of legitimate quality content out there at our disposal to rely on only using RSS. Now, in some cases RSS is perfectly legit as well. The thing that should be noted here is that autoblogging is in some respects just like any other form of IM...

        It can be used ethically or otherwise. Throwing out a blanket statement like that isn't really fair and only continues to spread misinformation.

        Like I said...things change with the times. People shouldn't be so quick to judge, especially based off of opinions gained from seeing old tactics being used that arent as common today (in this example).
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      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

      Sorry Harlan but I have to disagree...

      Not ALL autobloggers steal content, therefore not ALL autoblogging is "Auto Stealing".

      It may have been that way at one time but things change with the times and autoblogging is no different.

      You are a seasoned member here and supposedly a seasoned internet marketer and I am shocked to hear something so incorrect and close minded come from someone like you. To be honest, you should know better! When you start threads like this (or any other thread attacking any other IM method) all you do is falsely accuse, scare people who don't know better and help add to the bad name that IM has in general.



      I'm sorry but your post is way off base.
      If you show me auto blogs that don't scrape and steal, I'll be happy to revisit the topic.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
        Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

        If you show me auto blogs that don't scrape and steal, I'll be happy to revisit the topic.

        OK...

        I wouldn’t normally do this with one of my money sites but since it's only a test blog for my own software I will go ahead and show you one...

        www.cookwaresale.net

        Keep in mind that the content on it and the way it is set up is not that great, as I said...it's only a test blog and wasn’t developed to impress anyone, only to test software capabilities.

        Now, having said that, I have many autoblogs (more than most here I would imagine but not as many as some). The point is that you can EASILY create an autoblog that doesn’t resort to stealing to fill it with plenty of content to last months and months.

        I realize this is only one example…but as I said, I have many and I know others do as well.

        It might be time for you to start rethinking your point of view…

        That is unless you are about to release some new product and this thread (as well as the last one you started bashing autoblogs) was really just to stir things up in anticipation to a product release that is somehow related????

        Like I said, I don’t like making assumptions but it does seem to point that way…

        (Update) BTW...last I checked (a few days ago) that blog was sitting at #24 for a fairly competitive keyword phrase...not bad for something that took me about 25 min to build from scratch and fill with a couple months content. Just think how it would do if I actually spent a bit of time making sure the content was high quality, mixed in a few more of my own articles (which I believe that one has one or two, although poorly written for speed) and built some more backlinks (that one only has a few....very few actually).
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        • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
          Hey not to jump in and defend Harlan because he is a grown man and can do that himself if he wishes.

          But it is sad to see that some of you aren't reading his original posts. He is referring to the use of original content without permission . Period.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
            Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

            Hey not to jump in and defend Harlan because he is a grown man and can do that himself if he wishes.

            But it is sad to see that some of you aren't reading his original posts. He is referring to the use of original content without permission . Period.
            He may have meant that initially but I do believe he has since updated or added to his initial meaning. Also, if that really were what he meant then he should rephrase the title of the thread to reflect that, as it stands now it is pretty much all inclusive.

            Check post #28

            Also, as another poster pointed out, this is the 2nd autoblog hating thread he has started in just a few days. Did he need a second one just to further make his point from the first one?
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            • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
              Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

              He may have meant that initially but I do believe he has since updated or added to his initial meaning. Also, if that really were what he meant then he should rephrase the title of the thread to reflect that, as it stands now it is pretty much all inclusive.

              Check post #28

              Also, as another poster pointed out, this is the 2nd autoblog hating thread he has started in just a few days. Did he need a second one just to further make his point from the first one?
              So you and Collin are saying he is trying to incite stuff? Why?
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              • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
                Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

                So you and Collin are saying he is trying to incite stuff? Why?
                I will answer in terms of what generally happens, as I believe in a "more-rope" policy.

                First they create a post that will incite extreme opinions.

                Your lower grade troll will simply state the sky is purple, article marketing is dead, stand back and wait for the inevitable war of the misguided and misquoted that will follow.

                A premium grade troll (the golden troll of legend) will identify a narrow field that use a technique, and after winning approval of their initial statement will then try and expand the definition to irritate the hell out of a lot of people.

                The purpose of this is either the feeling of power it gives them to create a large thread, or the fact that if they surf the sh*t storm they create, they could theoretically come out the other end as a guru.

                As to the OP, who could say.:rolleyes:
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                • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
                  Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

                  I will answer in terms of what generally happens, as I believe in a "more-rope" policy.

                  First they create a post that will incite extreme opinions.

                  Your lower grade troll will simply state the sky is purple, article marketing is dead, stand back and wait for the inevitable war of the misguided and misquoted that will follow.

                  A premium grade troll (the golden troll of legend) will identify a narrow field that use a technique, and after winning approval of their initial statement will then try and expand the definition to irritate the hell out of a lot of people.

                  The purpose of this is either the feeling of power it gives them to create a large thread, or the fact that if they surf the sh*t storm they create, they could theoretically come out the other end as a guru.

                  As to the OP, who could say.:rolleyes:
                  GOLDEN TROLL OF LEGEND hahahaha too funny!!
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                  Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

                  The purpose of this is either the feeling of power it gives them to create a large thread, or the fact that if they surf the sh*t storm they create, they could theoretically come out the other end as a guru.

                  As to the OP, who could say.:rolleyes:
                  I obviously need a thread on the Warrior Forum to make me a guru.

                  Maybe someone just wants to share a thought.
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              • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
                Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

                So you and Collin are saying he is trying to incite stuff? Why?
                I don't know if he is or isn't, but to post two very similiar threads that are aimed at attacking autoblogging in a short period of time does make you wonder...
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          • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
            Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

            Hey not to jump in and defend Harlan because he is a grown man and can do that himself if he wishes.

            But it is sad to see that some of you aren't reading his original posts. He is referring to the use of original content without permission . Period.
            The problem is he did this last time. It looks fair enough at the start, then he does his whole bait and switch routine.

            Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

            If you show me auto blogs that don't scrape and steal, I'll be happy to revisit the topic.
            This is after the legitimate ones have been explained to him.

            He says these things purely to evoke a flame war between parties he knows will not agree. He did the exact same thing last week, and got away with it, that time.
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            Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

            Hey not to jump in and defend Harlan because he is a grown man and can do that himself if he wishes.

            But it is sad to see that some of you aren't reading his original posts. He is referring to the use of original content without permission . Period.
            I think it's his post title.

            Any theft of content without attribution is bad whether using an autoblogger or doing it by hand.

            The Auto Blogger is a tool. The person using it in an unethical manner is the thief.

            I suspect Harlan knows exactly what he posted and what the response would be.
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        • Profile picture of the author Harlan
          Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

          OK...

          I wouldn't normally do this with one of my money sites but since it's only a test blog for my own software I will go ahead and show you one...

          www.cookwaresale.net
          First I appreciate your showing a site. And I have a couple of comments.

          You are getting articles from article directories and you are citing the directory.

          What about the guy who wrote the article? Where does he come in?

          Or is it okay just because you quoted and linked back to the directory?

          Isn't the idea that if you take an article, you leave the attribution completely in place?

          Or am I missing something about your site?
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          • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
            Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

            First I appreciate your showing a site. And I have a couple of comments.

            You are getting articles from article directories and you are citing the directory.

            What about the guy who wrote the article? Where does he come in?

            Or is it okay just because you quoted and linked back to the directory?

            Isn't the idea that if you take an article, you leave the attribution completely in place?

            Or am I missing something about your site?

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          • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
            Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

            What about the guy who wrote the article? Where does he come in?
            That particular directory does things differently. Those articles from that site are pulled from an API connection (not scrapped like you refer to). The API gives you what you get and API users can't do anything about it, anyone who posts articles to that site knows this.
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            • Profile picture of the author Harlan
              Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

              That particular directory does things differently. Those articles from that site are pulled from an API connection (not scrapped like you refer to). The API gives you what you get and API users can't do anything about it, anyone who posts articles to that site knows this.
              Okay, so the material is used without attribution but you can't do anything about it because it's an API issue.

              If it's in their terms of service, I guess they should know what they are getting into...
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              • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
                Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                Okay, so the material is used without attribution but you can't do anything about it because it's an API issue.

                If it's in their terms of service, I guess they should know what they are getting into...
                And in some cases there are links to the authors website...actually in most. I contacted that particlur directory before setting up the API and asked about this and they said that some of their authors simply forget to put in sig boxes and when that happend the directory just links back to the directory.

                The point here is that every effort is made to credit the author, if it isnt done for some reason then at least with that directory there isnt anything I can do about it. Its not an attempt to intentionally ignore teh author or not give credit.

                Also, with that site (and all others I build) there are a few other forms of content from differnet sources...none of which are stealing content from anyone. ALL legit sources.

                Yahoo Answers - very widely used and totally legit
                Amazon - goes without saying
                Flickr Photos - good source of backup content
                YouTube Videos - obviously legit and great content
                Affiliate DAta Feeds....huge source of good content here

                The list goes on and on...

                This is legitimate Autoblogging and why many of us get upset when we see your type of thread being posted regularly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wordpress Guy
    I was about to start my blogging life with Autoblogging. I was told that it's more or less stealing someone's wealth and I personally didn't like it
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by narayanan86 View Post

      I was about to start my blogging life with Autoblogging. I was told that it's more or less stealing someone's wealth and I personally didn't like it
      Sorry to hear you were sadly misinformed...probably from someone who would start a thread like this one.
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      • Profile picture of the author eapen john
        Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

        Sorry to hear you were sadly misinformed...probably from someone who would start a thread like this one.
        I have used couple of Autoblogging plugins for my WP site but they just posted the articles out of RSS feeds and only the first few lines of the article appeared as the blog. Is that the case with all AB plugins or there are AB plugins that use some other technology other than RSS feeds?

        And ethically one should always give link back to the article owner when using someone else's article or blog on our site.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLCarroll
          Originally Posted by eapen john View Post

          I have used couple of Autoblogging plugins for my WP site but they just posted the articles out of RSS feeds and only the first few lines of the article appeared as the blog. Is that the case with all AB plugins or there are AB plugins that use some other technology other than RSS feeds?

          And ethically one should always give link back to the article owner when using someone else's article or blog on our site.
          There are many ways to add autoposts to your blogs that do not involve WP plugins at all. Adding posts automatically to your blog doesn't have to involve RSS feeds at all. Many autobloggers, myself included, exclusively use original content either written by themselves or paid for and provided by content providers. This content is owned by the autoblogger and fed to the blog automatically in a variety of ways that allowing the content to post automatically over a period of time set up by the blog owner.

          The autobloggers using this method are NOT scraping crappy content or using other writers content to build thier blogs, but the blogs are still automated.
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          • Profile picture of the author Julie McElroy
            Originally Posted by TLCarroll View Post

            There are many ways to add autoposts to your blogs that do not involve WP plugins at all. Adding posts automatically to your blog doesn't have to involve RSS feeds at all. Many autobloggers, myself included, exclusively use original content either written by themselves or paid for and provided by content providers. This content is owned by the autoblogger and fed to the blog automatically in a variety of ways that allowing the content to post automatically over a period of time set up by the blog owner.

            The autobloggers using this method are NOT scraping crappy content or using other writers content to build thier blogs, but the blogs are still automated.
            I guess I am thinking of autoblogging as set to "auto" with no manual input. If you are referring to post dating your own blogs, is this really autoblogging or just efficient use of the built-in WP functions (ie publish date)? Or are you referring to something else?
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        • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
          Originally Posted by eapen john View Post

          I have used couple of Autoblogging plugins for my WP site but they just posted the articles out of RSS feeds and only the first few lines of the article appeared as the blog. Is that the case with all AB plugins or there are AB plugins that use some other technology other than RSS feeds?

          And ethically one should always give link back to the article owner when using someone else's article or blog on our site.
          No thats the old old way... not like that anymore!!

          automatically posting website links is spam in google's dictionary.
          another dumb response by someone that knows nothing.....
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

            No thats the old old way... not like that anymore!!
            Please clarify, Danny. What's "not like that anymore"?

            Picking up just the post snippets in an RSS feed, or giving credit to the author? Not a personal attack, just seeking clarity for people who might misinterpret what you said rather than what you think you said.

            Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

            another dumb response by someone that knows nothing.....
            Agreed...
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            • Profile picture of the author Julie McElroy
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              Please clarify, Danny. What's "not like that anymore"?

              Picking up just the post snippets in an RSS feed, or giving credit to the author? Not a personal attack, just seeking clarity for people who might misinterpret what you said rather than what you think you said.
              I am curious as well - since you seem to know of a way that works for you.
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            • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
              Originally Posted by eapen john View Post

              I have used couple of Autoblogging plugins for my WP site but they just posted the articles out of RSS feeds and only the first few lines of the article appeared as the blog. Is that the case with all AB plugins or there are AB plugins that use some other technology other than RSS feeds?

              And ethically one should always give link back to the article owner when using someone else's article or blog on our site.
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              Please clarify, Danny. What's "not like that anymore"?

              Picking up just the post snippets in an RSS feed, or giving credit to the author? Not a personal attack, just seeking clarity for people who might misinterpret what you said rather than what you think you said.



              Agreed...
              Haha yeah thats a valid question and its not an attack, In fact even if it was I wouldnt care :-)

              I was replying to the post where someone said that they had an autoblog software that just posts snippets...

              I ALWAYS give credit where credit is due... I also can out rank genuine content with duplicate content you just need to know what your doing and how you do it.

              People think autoblogging is bad but I bet you today that you have been on an autoblog site today.... You are giving searchers what they want all in one place which makes it convenient for the reader... nothing wrong or bad with that.

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        • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
          Originally Posted by eapen john View Post

          I have used couple of Autoblogging plugins for my WP site but they just posted the articles out of RSS feeds and only the first few lines of the article appeared as the blog. Is that the case with all AB plugins or there are AB plugins that use some other technology other than RSS feeds?

          And ethically one should always give link back to the article owner when using someone else's article or blog on our site.
          There are plugins and systems that advocate this type of autoblogging and I personally hate them. I don't use or believe in using these types of systems or plugins.

          There are several other ways to go about this now. There are other plugins that do what is supposed to be done as far as posting articles with the links in tact but some of them have their own issues as well, but at least they are ethical to use...you just have to watch out for the level of quality that they post to your blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author seo2go
    I also have to disagree with you on this one. I see auto blogging, as a technological solution, neither good or bad. How people implement and use it is another matter. Some people use it, as you have explained, to scrape content without attribution or permission etc. That model has probably emerged as the "definition" of auto blogging.

    But others are using auto blogging to scale distribution of their content and to do so cost-effectively. If I have 50 websites I want to post content to weekly, what are some of my options - do it myself manually, pay someone to do it manually or automate it with auto blogging.

    Sounds a lot like an email autoresponder.

    If you meant scraping other people's content for auto blogging is auto stealing I will be more inclined to agree with that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by seo2go View Post

      If you meant scraping other people's content for auto blogging is auto stealing I will be more inclined to agree with that.
      That's exactly what I meant.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrcleanandfresh
      Originally Posted by seo2go View Post

      I also have to disagree with you on this one. I see auto blogging, as a technological solution, neither good or bad. How people implement and use it is another matter. Some people use it, as you have explained, to scrape content without attribution or permission etc. That model has probably emerged as the "definition" of auto blogging.

      But others are using auto blogging to scale distribution of their content and to do so cost-effectively. If I have 50 websites I want to post content to weekly, what are some of my options - do it myself manually, pay someone to do it manually or automate it with auto blogging.

      Sounds a lot like an email autoresponder.

      If you meant scraping other people's content for auto blogging is auto stealing I will be more inclined to agree with that.
      I agree with SEO2go. A lot of times it is about efficiency. However, if you're abusing the technology we have and stealing copyrighted material, then I would have to agree with Harlen.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Not all autoblogs steal content.

    Some get the content from sources that actually want you to use the content.

    For example, article directories, youtube, amazon products....

    I'm not talking about the autobloggers that remove the links from the articles etc... Not all autoblogs do that, some take the article from the article directory with resource box intact and put it on their site.

    You can use autoblogging software (depending on the software I guess) to simply automate the things you would do manually.

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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      Not all autoblogs steal content.
      I'm talking about the software the scrapes peoples' blogs and uses their content without attribution.

      It's widespread today thanks to automation.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
        Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

        I'm talking about the software the scrapes peoples' blogs and uses their content without attribution.

        It's widespread today thanks to automation.
        Okay, then that officially answers my question about the PLR content.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

          That's exactly what I meant.
          Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

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          Guys respectfully you should reread his post. I actually had to relook at it also LOL
          Harlan is referring to the Scraping" he detailed that in his first post. So no need to be offended as he was specific.
          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

          I'm talking about the software the scrapes peoples' blogs and uses their content without attribution.

          It's widespread today thanks to automation.
          Sorry, but the subject line for this thread is "Auto Blogging Is Auto Stealing". Nothing about specifically referring to scrapers or content thieves. The original post identifies one segment of those who use autoblogging software illegally, and applies that label to anyone who uses such software.

          Harlan, you don't do anything for purely altruistic reasons, and this current rant is no different. It's at least the second time in the last couple of weeks you've tried to stir up some controversy around using autoblog software.

          I'm guessing at a pending product launch, which you'll likely deny. Time will tell.
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          • Profile picture of the author Harlan
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Sorry, but the subject line for this thread is "Auto Blogging Is Auto Stealing". Nothing about specifically referring to scrapers or content thieves. The original post identifies one segment of those who use autoblogging software illegally, and applies that label to anyone who uses such software.

            Harlan, you don't do anything for purely altruistic reasons, and this current rant is no different. It's at least the second time in the last couple of weeks you've tried to stir up some controversy around using autoblog software.

            I'm guessing at a pending product launch, which you'll likely deny. Time will tell.
            I'm sorry you turn every discussion into a personal attack.

            I wish there was an ignore button.
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

              I'm sorry you turn every discussion into a personal attack.
              You don't like one post I made, and suddenly I turn "every discussion" into a personal attack? What was it I said about taking a single instance of something and trying to make it universal?

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              I wish there was an ignore button.
              There is.

              Go to your user control panel and select edit options. On the options page, select "Edit Ignore List" from the left hand menu. Enter the people you want to ignore, and bingo...

              Unless you want to call this some kind of personal attack...:rolleyes:
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              Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

              I'm sorry you turn every discussion into a personal attack.

              I wish there was an ignore button.
              You need a button to ignore someone? That explains a lot, lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author cashcow
        Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

        I'm talking about the software the scrapes peoples' blogs and uses their content without attribution.

        It's widespread today thanks to automation.
        I agree scrapers that steal others content without attribution are stealing. They suck. They give autoblogging a bad name.

        But, not all autoblogging is scraping, so therefore I disagree with the title "Auto blogging is Auto Stealing". To me that's like saying all Internet Marketers are dishonest rip-off artists.

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    • Profile picture of the author cheapskatemate
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      Not all autoblogs steal content.

      Some get the content from sources that actually want you to use the content.

      For example, article directories, youtube, amazon products....

      Lee
      Hi,

      Do you have anymore examples? I used to just post affiliate feeds, but that was a few years ago and the model stopped working.
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      • Profile picture of the author cashcow
        Originally Posted by cheapskatemate View Post

        Hi,

        Do you have anymore examples? I used to just post affiliate feeds, but that was a few years ago and the model stopped working.
        Not sure what you mean... i was actually saying this with WPRobot in mind as it is the only "autoblogging" tool I am familiar with. They have a lot of different sources where they get content you can pick and choose the ones that you think will work for you.

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  • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
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    Guys respectfully you should reread his post. I actually had to relook at it also LOL
    Harlan is referring to the Scraping" he detailed that in his first post. So no need to be offended as he was specific.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

      Harlan is referring to the Scraping" he detailed that in his first post. So no need to be offended as he was specific.
      Are you sure about that...see his reply to my post below...

      Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

      If you show me auto blogs that don't scrape and steal, I'll be happy to revisit the topic.
      By the sound of this he is including ALL autoblogging tactics and approaches. Like I said, people shouldn't assume the worst and use blanket terms when describing things...especially in the IM world, not all marketers do things that way.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneymarker
      Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

      @Rsberg
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      Guys respectfully you should reread his post. I actually had to relook at it also LOL
      Harlan is referring to the Scraping" he detailed that in his first post. So no need to be offended as he was specific.
      By technical definition, "scraping" is the process of automatically collecting Web information. I do have an autoblog that scrapes content from articles directories - including the author's resource box - via a wp plugin.

      This isn't a matter of whether one is offended or not....it is the syntax by which Harlan has cleverly structured his post that has put more weight in autoblogging as something that is unethical or illegal ( the fact that he later mentioned 'Many of them scrape content without attribution )

      And as for autoblogs that scrape content without attribution, it's not stealing. It's infringing copyrights.( as posted by Letsgoviral)
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  • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
    Harlan:

    Do you consider using PLR stealing? I realize some blogging sites (like Blogger) might take issue with it, but if it's given away, I can't see where it's stealing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by Rikki_Fawkes View Post

      Harlan:

      Do you consider using PLR stealing? I realize some blogging sites (like Blogger) might take issue with it, but if it's given away, I can't see where it's stealing.
      I'm not a PLR fan by any means. I have nothing against it per-se.

      It's never fit into any business model I've ever had.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
        Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

        I'm not a PLR fan by any means. I have nothing against it per-se.

        It's never fit into any business model I've ever had.
        Yeah - you get what you pay for. Plenty of grammatical and spelling mistakes; once I got a PLR article with so many mistakes that by the time I finished editing it I practically had a brand new article.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

    2. Google is aware of the scraping of content and is currently building a new model that will exclude sites built on this model.

    Harlan
    As you have them on the phone, could you ask them to boost my sites up the results a bit.

    When have Google not been looking to improve their results or improve their algorithms.

    Google are a very large company, and this means that when they say something, it is far more likely that they do so for commercial reasons than to provide fair warning to people they supposedly view as the enemy.

    "We are working harder for you." is the gist of their latest PR campaign. Well I don't know of a single large corporate entity that hasn't found a way to reassure investors the same thing. It is just spun into the relevant terminology of the company's target market.

    Edit: I just thought I'd add that I don't mind auto-blogs that provide attribution. The others are illegal in most countries.
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  • Profile picture of the author atwellpub
    I sell one of the most efficient and respected autoblogging systems available, and I agree on one detailed point of the OP. Not crediting your source when working with other blogger's RSS feed content theft, and although I don't judge my customers, it's depreciated when I see it (But I see it rarer, than you would expect!).

    That being said, re-syndication and crediting sources is typically good for everyone, even if the sourced writer doesn't agree. For those cases a ceast and desist is appropriate and even polite.
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    • Profile picture of the author ripsnorta2
      Originally Posted by atwellpub View Post


      That being said, re-syndication and crediting sources is typically good for everyone, even if the sourced writer doesn't agree. For those cases a ceast and desist is appropriate and even polite.
      Why not just ask the source first?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
        Originally Posted by ripsnorta2 View Post

        Why not just ask the source first?
        In some cases people do...depending on the quality and topic of the content. However, most dont use content from sources you have to ask unless it will result in a mass amount of content, it's just to time consuming when you consider most autobloggers have many blogs to work with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trivum
    Yes, Google is targeting autoblogging. But Google is essentially a giant scraper themselves. So there you go.
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  • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
    it's like that train wreck mentality. I knew what was going to be in here - but I just had to "click" anyway.

    More sweeping generalizations from someone who has probably had his search rankings thwarted by, "gasp" - an autoblog.

    btw - I don't even know HOW to use rss feeds to pull content into my autoblogs. all of my content is pulled from sources where users have given their permission for syndication (whether they choose to read the fine print or not).
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  • Profile picture of the author gxd5
    Google is the biggest thief of them all. All google DOES is steal other people's content. They do it with their spiders and add it to their databases. They just steal on such a large scale that everyone wants to play ball with them.

    I've always found it hypocritical for Google to admonish anyone about duplicate content because they built their empire on stealing, i mean indexing, other people's content, traffic and data and then using it for their own gain.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
      Originally Posted by gxd5 View Post

      Google is the biggest thief of them all. All google DOES is steal other people's content....
      Welcome to life. Google like many other big companies and also like the Government play by a whole new set of rules. As long as people need them they can do what they like.
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi Ernie,

        As long as people need them they can do what they like.
        You're a fighter - you never give up. Therefore a rewrite of your sentence -

        As long as people....don't gather together en masse and devise a way to ethically punish and force a positive outcome via peaceful rebellion and unified simultaneous action....they can do what they like.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          Hi Ernie,
          You're a fighter - you never give up. Therefore a rewrite of your sentence -
          As long as people....don't gather together en masse and devise a way to ethically punish and force a positive outcome via peaceful rebellion and unified simultaneous action....they can do what they like.
          You're 100% correct.

          Thankfully for now I don't have many issues with Google (although no person nor company is perfect). I play by their rules and they pay me
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi BeechHill,

            My only concern here is...[snip] It’s a question of how close to the bone do they get before they have trouble in flagging the real thing.
            It's not something I'm utilising right now, but it's also a question of -

            a) devising a system to minimise blog creation speed

            b) perhaps using domains with 'built-in' authority

            c) removing footprints

            d) creating unique 'aspects'

            I don't know if you've delved into different coloured hats (as it where) but there are different mindsets required.

            For this one, it leans towards the BH mindset which is - don't be 'concerned' about what Google is allegedly doing or not. Devise systems that are cheap/easy enough that they can be put to the test quickly and then establish as fact what is a worthwhile action and what is not, then do a hell of a lot of it and automate what you can, then pour a drink and relax.

            Hope this helps.

            Hi TramadolBlogger,

            If the articles are re-worded in the process then it's not stealing it's just re-creating basically.
            I've seen statements like that before here and I recall that the copyright/plagiarism laws when they were quoted, where not what I had expected. Something to do with 'derivative works.' Google it. In the eyes of the law, it's actually not 'just re-creating' - unless I'm mistaken.

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      • Profile picture of the author TLCarroll
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        Welcome to life. Google like many other big companies and also like the Government play by a whole new set of rules. As long as people need them they can do what they like.
        Yahoo did the same thing in the beginning with porn sites. Oh, they loved porn sites linking to them using the "EXIT here if under 18" links. But as soon as the company grew up they started tossing the very porn sites that helped them grow. And let's not even talk about the trainwreck named DMOZ.

        Google has done the same thing with IM sites.

        And either only the very dim or the very naive would believe that every single autoblog is created the exact same way. Your mileage may vary.

        There are horrific content stealing HANDMADE sites and blogs as well. If you have crappy sites, be they handmade or automade, then it's your own fault for using crappy ingredients.

        Stop being sheeple and think for yourself.

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      • Profile picture of the author Tweety76
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        Welcome to life. Google like many other big companies and also like the Government play by a whole new set of rules. As long as people need them they can do what they like.
        Well said... there is no one to control the big "G", so just live with it...
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      • Profile picture of the author Christina10
        As soon as Google detects the duplicate content, the content is banned.. There are many such sites which automatically detect duplicate content and don't allow the user to post it..!!
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Syndication is a big part of the net. Google syndicates more content than anyone else on the planet.
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    • Profile picture of the author lexyz22
      Im not a fan of autoblogging personally, but if you can make serious dough from it, then i wouldnt worry about others' content, its blackhat after all.
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  • Profile picture of the author TramadolBlogger
    If the articles are re-worded in the process then it's not stealing it's just re-creating basically.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    Oh my lord I have never read such bull crap in all my life....

    Autoblogging is not bad the principles are ethical, someone submits an article to a directory which then has the right to distribute that article as they please, providing that you follow the terms and conditions of the article directory.... if you cant see how this is beneficial to the creator I would seriously reconsider what you appear to do online...

    Autoblogging works very well when done correctly! When you link back to the original article you are benefiting the creator!! I have had emails from owners of the articles that apparently you think are stolen thanking me for the traffic I drive to there site... yes there are people that go to teh extreme and dont link back etc but with everything you get good cops and bad cops....

    I dont get why you even started this thread or is it just a bit of an ego trip? Maybe as it has been mentioned before you have a product coming out?

    Either which way I would look at the facts before you start gobbing off about something you clearly know nothing about...

    Am I worried what google is doing? Nope because i create content rich targetted sites that give teh user exactly what they are searching for and that is the whole point of the google search engine.

    Danny
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

      Oh my lord I have never read such bull crap in all my life....

      Autoblogging is not bad the principles are ethical, someone submits an article to a directory which then has the right to distribute that article as they please, providing that you follow the terms and conditions of the article directory.... if you cant see how this is beneficial to the creator I would seriously reconsider what you appear to do online...

      Autoblogging works very well when done correctly! When you link back to the original article you are benefiting the creator!! I have had emails from owners of the articles that apparently you think are stolen thanking me for the traffic I drive to there site... yes there are people that go to teh extreme and dont link back etc but with everything you get good cops and bad cops....

      I dont get why you even started this thread or is it just a bit of an ego trip? Maybe as it has been mentioned before you have a product coming out?

      Either which way I would look at the facts before you start gobbing off about something you clearly know nothing about...

      Am I worried what google is doing? Nope because i create content rich targetted sites that give teh user exactly what they are searching for and that is the whole point of the google search engine.

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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
    umm... I know a little about autoblogging
    let me lay down some fact for you people who like to spout nonsense

    1 - some tools allow you to take content from article directories or APIs... some directories let you do this, some dont, some tools remove the authors links, some dont. so basically your statement "autobloggin is stealing..." would be akinned to "having sex is rape" meaning that there are many different ways to do what you call "autoblogging" both with and without permission. As for nicking RSS feeds, I have never done this.... so no idea.

    2 - The most PROFITABLE method of "autoblogging" that people use doesn't even use "scraped" content, but just pull hundreds of affiliate feeds from product vendors and actually use that as the content.

    Most people that think that "scraped content" is how you make REAL money in autobloggin have never actaully made real money I suspect. The REAL money comes through hundreds of thousands of affiliate feeds getting indexed as content and getting direct hit searches to your site and then off to the product vendor

    That is all.

    -Greg (OG)
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    • Profile picture of the author ripsnorta2
      Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post

      2 - The most PROFITIBLE mehtod of "autoblogging" that people use doesnt even use "scraped" content, but just pull hundreds of affilaite feeds from product vendors and actually use that as the content.

      -Greg (OG)
      I wouldn't mind finding out a bit more about this method. Are there any decent resources you can point to?
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    • Profile picture of the author moneymarker
      Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post

      umm... I know a little about autoblogging
      let me lay down some fact for you people who like to spout nonsense

      1 - some tools allow you to take content from article directories or APIs... some directories let you do this, some dont, some tools remove the authors links, some dont. so basically your statement "autobloggin is stealing..." would be akinned to "having sex is rape" meaning that there are many different ways to do what you call "autoblogging" both with and without permission. As for nicking RSS feeds, I have never done this.... so no idea.

      2 - The most PROFITABLE method of "autoblogging" that people use doesn't even use "scraped" content, but just pull hundreds of affiliate feeds from product vendors and actually use that as the content.

      Most people that think that "scraped content" is how you make REAL money in autobloggin have never actaully made real money I suspect. The REAL money comes through hundreds of thousands of affiliate feeds getting indexed as content and getting direct hit searches to your site and then off to the product vendor

      That is all.

      -Greg (OG)
      I can't argue with that!

      That reminds me to login to my Mage now
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  • Profile picture of the author Tweety76
    You can only earn small bucks from auto-blogging. This should be the last choice that you can try.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by Tweety76 View Post

      You can only earn small bucks from auto-blogging. This should be the last choice that you can try.
      Hmmmmmm

      I guess thats probably true for some people but several I know (myself included) would say otherwise.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tweety76
        Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

        Hmmmmmm

        I guess thats probably true for some people but several I know (myself included) would say otherwise.
        Are you saying that we can earn decent $$$ from auto-blogging? At least US$50 per day? Can you elaborate further or share more with us? Thanks...
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        • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
          Originally Posted by Tweety76 View Post

          Are you saying that we can earn decent $$$ from auto-blogging? At least US$50 per day? Can you elaborate further or share more with us? Thanks...
          Thats exactly what I am saying. I wont go into great detail here because the forum has rules in place for this sort of thing (and rightfully so IMO). The basis of the concept is to find what works for you and rinse and repeat (over and over and over again). With autoblogging (in most cases) it's a numbers game, once you find what works for you just keep doing it.

          I know autobloggers who claim to make in excess of $1000 a day and I know many who say they make over $500 a day. There are autobloggers with over 500 autoblogs under their control. Given that consideration it's not hard to see how those claims can be realistic. I know what I make from it and how many I have but I am not big on posting that kind of info (for several reasons), however, I do pretty well with it.

          Update - BTW...those I refer to do it ethically and legally. I've talked to them on more than one occasion in great detail about the different approaches and tactics with autoblogging and none of them steal content.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tweety76
            Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

            Thats exactly what I am saying. I wont go into great detail here because the forum has rules in place for this sort of thing (and rightfully so IMO). The basis of the concept is to find what works for you and rinse and repeat (over and over and over again). With autoblogging (in most cases) it's a numbers game, once you find what works for you just keep doing it.

            I know autobloggers who claim to make in excess of $1000 a day and I know many who say they make over $500 a day. There are autobloggers with over 500 autoblogs under their control. Given that consideration it's not hard to see how those claims can be realistic. I know what I make from it and how many I have but I am not big on posting that kind of info (for several reasons), however, I do pretty well with it.

            Update - BTW...those I refer to do it ethically and legally. I've talked to them on more than one occasion in great detail about the different approaches and tactics with autoblogging and none of them steal content.
            Not surprising to me that they can earn over $500 or $1000 per day, with over 500 autoblogs under their control.

            If there is auto-blogger in this world who can earn over $500 per day from less than 20 auto-blogs, I would salute him/her.

            Thanks for your quick reply.
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    • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
      Originally Posted by Tweety76 View Post

      You can only earn small bucks from auto-blogging. This should be the last choice that you can try.
      Wow I think that statement should read I have only made small bucks from autoblogging!!!

      I make good money and I dont have many autoblogs!!!

      Harlan, you're absolutely right......

      People, who don't have enough creativity to do something new and own, steal other people's efforts and make profits. And, best robbers (only if cap correct, you can put) emblazoning that "autoblogging is great...Wow! It really works!! As I believe, a shameless business model to continue..........
      yeah..... whatever lots of people recon that selling 3 wso's a week here is a fantastic business model!! ...lol

      Danny
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Why is this still here if so many people don't like it?

    Report it.

    And yes, I would bet someone is coming out w/ a launch for autoblog content. Could be Kern as he is emailing again and building momentum for a launch.

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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

      Why is this still here if so many people don't like it?

      Report it.

      And yes, I would bet someone is coming out w/ a launch for autoblog content. Could be Kern as he is emailing again and building momentum for a launch.

      -g
      Kern is helping his cousin Trey Smith launch a product about creating software.

      It's obviously connected to my post....
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      • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
        Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

        Kern is helping his cousin Trey Smith launch a product about creating software.

        It's obviously connected to my post....
        I didnt say it was, Harlan.
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  • Profile picture of the author iwontgiveup
    I guess it's the end of auto blogging.

    Sooner or later Google can figure out ...
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkAnderson
    "Auto Blogging Is Auto Stealing"

    Harlan, you're absolutely right......

    People, who don't have enough creativity to do something new and own, steal other people's efforts and make profits. And, best robbers (only if cap correct, you can put) emblazoning that "autoblogging is great...Wow! It really works!! As I believe, a shameless business model to continue..........

    (I know my reply is tough, consider it's my opinion)
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by MarkAnderson View Post

      "Auto Blogging Is Auto Stealing"

      Harlan, you’re absolutely right…...

      People, who don’t have enough creativity to do something new and own, steal other people’s efforts and make profits. And, best robbers (only if cap correct, you can put) emblazoning that “autoblogging is great…Wow! It really works!! As I believe, a shameless business model to continue……….

      (I know my reply is tough, consider it’s my opinion)
      If your content is actually being scraped from your site without your permission then thats one thing and you can always follow through with the appropriate measures to stop it and penalize the responsible party. In this example I completely agree and wish there were a way to finally stop this type of marketing once and for all...which I doubt this latest Google change will do.

      However, if your complaining about your articles being used from places like Ezine...then don't post them there as it clearly states in their TOS that your articles can and most likely will be replublished elsewhere. Now, having said that...on the RARE occasion that I have been contacted by an author and been asked to remove his article from one of my sites (I think it has happend twice in 3+ years) I quickly removed it and everyone was happy once again.

      Throwing stones at other methods of IM and those that use them simply because you don't agree with them (when they are perfectly legal and ethical) only draws more attention to your own lack of charecter and respect for others.
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      • Profile picture of the author Harlan
        Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

        Throwing stones at other methods of IM and those that use them simply because you don't agree with them (when they are perfectly legal and ethical) only draws more attention to your own lack of charecter and respect for others.
        Ah we must slide into personal attacks or this wouldn't be a discussion would it?
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        • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

          Ah we must slide into personal attacks or this wouldn't be a discussion would it?
          I wouldnt call saying someone lacks charecter and disrespects others a personal attack when they post things like this:

          Originally Posted by MarkAnderson

          People, who don't have enough creativity to do something new and own, steal other people's efforts and make profits. And, best robbers (only if cap correct, you can put) emblazoning that "autoblogging is great...Wow! It really works!! As I believe, a shameless business model to continue..........
          When you dont clarify who it is you are referring to and only imply that ALL autoblogging and those that do it are stealing then you are in fact making personal attacks against those individuals and I believe that shows a charecter flaw. Maybe it's just me but I wasnt raised that way...
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      • Profile picture of the author MarkAnderson
        Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

        If your content is actually being scraped from your site without your permission then thats one thing and you can always follow through with the appropriate measures to stop it and penalize the responsible party. In this example I completely agree and wish there were a way to finally stop this type of marketing once and for all...which I doubt this latest Google change will do.

        However, if your complaining about your articles being used from places like Ezine...then don't post them there as it clearly states in their TOS that your articles can and most likely will be replublished elsewhere. Now, having said that...on the RARE occasion that I have been contacted by an author and been asked to remove his article from one of my sites (I think it has happend twice in 3+ years) I quickly removed it and everyone was happy once again.

        Throwing stones at other methods of IM and those that use them simply because you don't agree with them (when they are perfectly legal and ethical) only draws more attention to your own lack of charecter and respect for others.
        Resberg, I don't have problem with syndication. It's legal and ethical until you give true credits to original writer. My point of view is content stealing............
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  • Profile picture of the author foulmouth
    I would opt for outsourcing some fresh original content. That way its still easy and you're not stepping on anyone's toes. It is a real win-win situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    1. Many of them scrape content without attribution. This is stealing.
    No, it's not stealing. It's infringing copyrights.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLCarroll
    Originally Posted by Joelawrence22 View Post

    automatically posting website links is spam in google's dictionary.
    Hmmm...Please site your source.

    If that's true then Google is in violation of thier own TOS.
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  • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
    Originally Posted by finleyjohn90 View Post

    Google always deny automatic work for website, like content change and SEO work using softwares
    another sweeping and very naive statement. If I had a dollar for every one that was in this thread, I wouldn't need to build anymore autoblogs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by trishworks4u View Post

      another sweeping and very naive statement. If I had a dollar for every one that was in this thread, I wouldn't need to build anymore autoblogs.
      Sweeping comments on both sides of the AB camps.


      This thread is now officially a train wreck with insults now flying around. I vote (by reporting it) to lock this bad boy out since now folks are just going round and round arguing the same points. Neither side is going to convince the other to their point of view.
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

        Sweeping comments on both sides of the AB camps.


        This thread is now officially a train wreck with insults now flying around. I vote (by reporting it) to lock this bad boy out since now folks are just going round and round arguing the same points. Neither side is going to convince the other to their point of view.
        Hmmm.

        Start a controversial thread. Insult a few people. Be perversely unable to understand what people are trying to explain. Stay on front page of WF for a few days before thread is locked.

        Do I perceive a pattern?


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  • Profile picture of the author webfighter
    Regarding - "If attribution in the form of link back to the source automatically give you right to syndicate someone else's content"... Think about Google for a second...
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