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15 years ago

Nice

If it doesn't get stickied, this should at least have a link to it.

Well written, Mike,

and Thanks for caring enough to take the time.

Peace

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darrenmonroe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

Wanted to give back just a bit here. I've developed a little booklet that will offend, outrage, and insult almost all Warriors--and yet, some may find a few words of wisdom within it. Maybe it will help you earn; Hopefully it will help you think.

No opt-in required. No links inside. No self-promotional B.S.

Direct download link: http://bit.ly/gMr1yj

Hope you find it useful.

--Mike

Mike.... to quote Jerry McGuire movie "You had me at Outraged" LOL I am downloading now def bookmarking this post

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neodarth

15 years ago

Refreshing after nap reading!

A must have for newbies (and some old members too)

I vote for sticky this post!

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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

Neodarth,
I have a daughter who lives in Santiago! If you tell me you're complaining about the heat down there when it's 6 degrees here and another 12-14 inches of snow expected tomorrow--I'm gunna have to put the slap down on ya! Just kidding. Been to the Andes, been to the ocean. Had great food and great times down there! --Mike

Darren--got back with you on your PM. No problem. Thanks! --Mike

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neodarth

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

Neodarth,
I have a daughter who lives in Santiago! If you tell me you're complaining about the heat down there when it's 6 degrees here and another 12-14 inches of snow expected tomorrow--I'm gunna have to put the slap down on ya! Just kidding. Been to the Andes, been to the ocean. Had great food and great times down there! --Mike

Awesome! I trade ya some heat for a couple of inches of snow!

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mikemcmillan 15 years ago

Originally Posted by neodarth

Awesome! I trade ya some heat for a couple of inches of snow!

I'll get on it!
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- Richard Van 15 years ago
  
  A very interesting read Mike and a lot of which I feel like saying to people quite a lot.
  
  If it's not made a sticky it should be forced upon all new people with a written exam to follow.
  
  Very well written.
  
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darrenmonroe

15 years ago

Very on point Mike. I PM you had a question sir.

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TPFLegionaire

15 years ago

Hi Mike,

Loved it, but there is one bit I am not sure I agree/understand you. The guaranteed earning, is your ire directed towards someone making a garanteed income claim without actually compensating you if you fail or without explaining any condition attached to it as opposed to someone making the following guarantee "earn 100$ in a week or your WSO money back".
Or do you just frown on any type of earning guarantee?

...Or Have I misunderstood you ?

Also...Would you mind if I sent it to some of my contacts (happy for you to PM me a version with a link to your website )

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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

Hi TPF,

I understand what you're saying (asking). It's not an easy thing to answer because a single answer cannot cover every case. I think there probably are cases where a product vendor could make some sort of guarantee about earning if someone follows their plan. And in some specific instances that could well be justified.

On the other hand, I think it can be over-used to lead people in to situations where they desperately expect earnings that just might not be there for them. I have no perfect answer. Your question is better than my answer!

But what do you think, TPF? Am I way off base? I get in these psychogenic fugue states frequently where I say things without looking at them from all perspectives. I will be my downfall, certainly. I hear what you're asking and I just don't have the perfect answer. Good question--thanks! --Mike

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Cay78 15 years ago

Mike, just got done reading you pdf...I must say it was a nice read! I think it should be mandatory for all new warriors that they read this before coming into the forum... Again, thank you for taking the time to post!
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sanssecret 15 years ago

Wow, glad I got in before the 500 review copies were all gone.

Good read Mike. I hope more members take up the Troll Control training. :p
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- Bill Farnham 15 years ago
  
  Good job, Mike.
  
  I'm also of the mind that making new members read this or something equivelent before they get a username would have benefits all of us would participate in.
  
  Even at a 2% conversion rate...
  
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- Michael Shook 15 years ago
  
  Thanks, Mike.
  
  I have found it to be quite an amazing thing how much I can learn by reading and asking a few questions here and there.
  
  Making a comment sometimes, and taking a look at the responses of some people whose opinion I have come to respect, has really helped me figure a few things out.
  
  Thank you again for taking the time to write this and put it up here.
  
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TPFLegionaire

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

But what do you think, TPF? Am I way off base? I get in these psychogenic fugue states frequently where I say things without looking at them from all perspectives. I will be my downfall, certainly. I hear what you're asking and I just don't have the perfect answer. Good question--thanks! --Mike

I think you could have pointed out that a lot (most?) WSO's offer very generous guarantees , to at least cover the costs if not satisfied and that is may be a point that need to be more prominent in your guide.
Also , I recently stumbled across what I think is one of the best type of guarantee I have heard.

It's by fellow warrior Paul Barr.
I hope he won't mind me posting it here

YouTube - How to Write and Incredible Guarantee

Now...that's a guarantee!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

Direct download link: http://bit.ly/gMr1yj

Hope you find it useful.

I did find it useful and accurate.

Hopefully others will read it and take it to heart.

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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

Bill,
My booklet resulted in your making what I believe is the shortest post of your career here on the forum! When I saw your name my initial thought was, OMG I'm going to get a 3,500 word response--which I wouldn't have minded. I've learned a lot from your stuff! Had I known my booklet would keep your posts down to two liners I would have created it long ago

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Kidding, of course! Thanks much for skimming it

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

Bill,
My booklet resulted in your making what I believe is the shortest post of your career here on the forum! When I saw your name my initial thought was, OMG I'm going to get a 3,500 word response--which I wouldn't have minded. I've learned a lot from your stuff! Had I known my booklet would keep your posts down to two liners I would have created it long ago

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Kidding, of course! Thanks much for skimming it

--Mike

LOL Thanks.... I think....

Cross your fingers... I am working on my next one...

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E. Brian Rose

15 years ago

Nicely done, Mike. However, I think that you were a little light on the serial refunders, file sharers, and thieves. You left out the part about possibly burning hell for an eternity. That might be worth mentioning in the revised edition.

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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

I tried to err on the side of caution, Brian. But I have always trusted and respected your views here. Break out the torches and pitchforks then. The game is afoot

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E. Brian Rose

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

I tried to err on the side of caution, Brian. But I have always trusted and respected your views here. Break out the torches and pitchforks then. The game is afoot

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I don't really believe in all that fire and brimstone. We tribesmen tend to believe in different degrees away from the inner circle, depending upon how one lives their life. Having said that, I did a little research and found out that if there were a hell, it wouldn't be so bad. Apparently, the biggest worry would be having your brains eaten while you sleep. See below for a more accurate depiction.

I will add that I am a big Meat Loaf fan. Apparently, you can drive a Harley out, if you end up there.

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mikemcmillan 15 years ago

Brian, been there, had it done to me--but it doesn't stop me from posting half-brained material here on the forum. Thanks Brian, that's going to make it easy for me to sleep tonight knowing they might be back for more! Ha, ha.
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15 years ago

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mikemcmillan 15 years ago

Originally Posted by rkcc4

Oh Sh1t, I hit that damn red button without thinking!

I told you not to do that in the booklet! Dya read the part about the digital knuckle sandwich for doing that? Kidding! Ya made me laugh--thanks!
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Palusko

15 years ago

Is this book going to help me earn $500 in 6 days? You see, I have some major financial problems right now and have to come up with $500 for rent. I tried some WSO I purchased but nothing worked. I'm gonna write lot of negative reviews when I have some time. And also will start some threads explaining to people why article marketing is dead. It's all one big scam and I feel like the whole world is against me. I know it's just a rant, but thanks for listening :-)
Anyway, what's your book about?
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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

Thanks, Bill! I value your input, as always.

You're getting a 2% conversion on your sales pages. Help me

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Dennis Gaskill

15 years ago

Good stuff, as usual, Mike. I would have thanked your OP but my thanks were used up in my own thread. I wish everyone would read your booklet. It might help a few of the open-minded people.

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EA

15 years ago

Mike

To be honest you have posted on this forum a lot of value and great comments.

Seriously this guide should be for everyone who join this forum, the rule book

Like Bill Farnham mentioned "before they get username."

Mike I also want to say one more thing the warrior forum is a great place to learn and share just like you said in the end of your guide. I totally agree with you there.

One more thing. People should always show others warriors respect and be honest.

Once again you have done it Mike - Good luck with everything you do.

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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

Palusko,
<<Is this book going to help me earn $500 in 6 days?>>

Palusko, you just condensed my booklet down to a few sentences! And actually, it only takes 3 days to make the $500! Thanks, I'm still laughing!

MikeJMichaelZ,
<<Thank you again for taking the time to write this and put it up here.>>

No problem. Thank you and everyone for making this place a great forum!

Richard Van,
<<...it should be forced upon all new people with a written exam to follow.>>

That would probably shut this forum down in short order! I don't think Allen would want to grade all those tests anyway

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Thanks Dennis, your post...
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-about-im.html

should also be read by all! You nailed it on that one, dead on center! --Mike

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Richard Van 15 years ago

That would probably shut this forum down in short order! I don't think Allen would want to grade all those tests anyway.

It was kind of tongue in cheek though Mike

I'd volunteer to do the marking/grading thing though??
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Ronny Kibet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

Palusko,
<<Is this book going to help me earn $500 in 6 days?>>

Palusko, you just condensed my booklet down to a few sentences! And actually, it only takes 3 days to make the $500! Thanks, I'm still laughing!

HAHAHAH! i am laughing as well Mike. Palusko gat jokes.

Anyway, thanks for the awesome report Mike.

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donaldwilson

15 years ago

I wanted to thank you for taking the time out of your day to create the "forum ettiquette" guide basically. While I am rather new to this forum....I'm not new to relationship building. This forum is an amazing resource everyone. You can build amazingly profitable relationships here. Use it don't abuse it. Moderators are typically very unforgiving to spammers and scammers. Thanks again for the e-guide....it's a quick read and nice to get the reminders.

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Murt@gh

15 years ago

It is important for anyone to try and talk about the positive, what use is everyone talking about the negative. It is just draining at times.

Nice to see a direct download

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TrishMullen 15 years ago

Mike

Can I just say that your report there is the most honest, genuine and heartfelt report I have EVER read since coming into IM and I really thank you for it. This is not one that will sit on my hard drive just eating at the memory - NO, I've printed this off and it will sit here right beside me because I will read this over and over and over again.

I hope I never grow into one of those types described in your first class read.

Once again, many thanks

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donhx

15 years ago

Great stuff, Mike. Sadly, the people who need that information the most probably won't read it. There is some sort of Law about that I think.

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Dosty

15 years ago

The best part was the section entitled 'Don't Be a Damn Fool About Buying WSOs'. Great advice Mike.

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polrbearz 15 years ago

Mike:

Thanks for the post. It's very useful for a newbie like me to see an "insider's" perspective---someone who's been here for a while and seen the Forum grow--with all its growing pains.

Lots of things are "better" when they're newer: undervalued stocks that are "under the radar of analysts", "undiscovered" little restaurants, etc. These things change---usually for the worst---when the explorers are replaced by the masses. The United States itself is a good example: there's a (possibly apocryphal) story out there that says that the Founders really didn't EXPECT this country to last for more than about 100 years. They figured that "after the lawyers have their way with it" it would become something else entirely. So---any way you look at it, we are probably exceeding their expectations
The degree that we may have strayed off course is a matter of debate, naturally.

Forums like WF may be the exception since dynamic interchanges benefit from "network effects"---much like eBay, etc. IF something like WF can survive its growing pains, it CAN be better than ever---at least in certain ways. Your report seems like one of those important reality checks that comes along every so often (if we're lucky) to help temper that growth and keep it in the right direction.

Your report also echoes my experience as I've involved myself in WF over the last month. I've just come out of period where I had MEANT to educate myself more at IM but instead have been busy as a "warrior" for my family who really needed me 100%. That was well-spent and I am proud to have stepped up and done what was needed. But it did delay a much-needed transition to a new business model--something that I must do. In my enthusiasm, I have been one of those newbies who has probably bought too many WSO's ---asked too many ungrounded questions--etc. But I have done SOME things right and I do learn quickly.

Like you, I do want to be a positive member of WF. Here's one newbie that you can definitely say that you have had a good influence on. Thanks again for this report---it was very timely for me.
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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

TPF, your comment...
I think you could have pointed out that a lot (most?) WSO's offer very generous guarantees , to at least cover the costs if not satisfied and that is may be a point that need to be more prominent in your guide.

Thanks, TPF--noted, and if I get time tonight I'll change it to include your point. I'll give you a thanks as well. If anyone else has any suggestions, hit me up and let me know. I value your opinions! --Mike

P.S. Hurrah for Paul in the video! When you've got good stuff, that kind of guarantee only strengthens the public confidence in your offer.

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E. Brian Rose

15 years ago

Mike, I've finished reading your ebook. I have implemented everything that you taught and have had great success, but it was not for me. How can I get a refund? If I don't hear back in the next minute, I will be leaving a negative review and reporting you to the BBB. Please let me know when you have more products for sale.

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E. Brian Rose

15 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

Mike, I've finished reading your ebook. I have implemented everything that you taught and have had great success, but it was not for me. How can I get a refund? If I don't hear back in the next minute, I will be leaving a negative review and reporting you to the BBB. Please let me know when you have more products for sale.

Please see my last post quoted above. I have not heard back from you and it has been well past my deadline of one minute. I will give you one more minute and then I am alerting the National Guard.

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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

Stop Brian! No, no, no... I can't take the pressure. Hope I get this in before the next minute is up! Send me your receipt number and I'll take care of your refund. But Brian, this is the fourth product of mine you've refunded in the past week. Come on, I'm tryin' to put food on the table here guy

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

Stop Brian! No, no, no... I can't take the pressure. Hope I get this in before the next minute is up! Send me your receipt number and I'll take care of your refund. But Brian, this is the fourth product of mine you've refunded in the past week. Come on, I'm tryin' to put food on the table here guy

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Don't worry, I will buy your next product too. I won't ask for a refund until one day before the guarantee period ends, so it is like I am loaning you money for food. You should thank me for doing this.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

Don't worry, I will buy your next product too. I won't ask for a refund until one day before the guarantee period ends, so it is like I am loaning you money for food. You should thank me for doing this.

If you're a man of your word, order now!

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JohnMcCabe 15 years ago

Well done, Mr. McMillan...

Got to the section on how to whine and complain, and all I could think of was this:

YouTube - Linda Ronstadt - When Will I Be Loved...

If every ranter were this cute, and had a voice this sweet, I'd want a special section just for it...
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  John, You've crossed the line. Stop daydreaming about Linda Ronstadt. That's my job. I work full time at it. I take it seriously. Really, what a babe--and the voice, well--she's something special. John, you're married, I'm not--I'm better suited to taking care of her needs. I'll resort to blackmail if needed... she belongs to me, if only in my dreams! --Mike
  
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  John, You've crossed the line. Stop daydreaming about Linda Ronstadt. That's my job. I work full time at it. I take it seriously. Really, what a babe
  
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Istvan Horvath

15 years ago

Am I the only one thinking that Mike(OP) and TPF are not talking about the same thing when mentioning "guarantee"?

As I read the report it was against those liars that say on their sales page (be it WSO or otherwise) that if you buy this crap you will earn $5,389.12 in a week - guaranteed!
When seeing those I also reach for my Uzi...

And for digital downloads I do not offer explicitly any guarantee: you cannot return it as in the case of physical products, so it doesn't make sense to have a 'refund guarantee'.
(I am not saying I don't refund occasionally... I just don't put up any guarantee texts/badges.)

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

Am I the only one thinking that Mike(OP) and TPF are not talking about the same thing when mentioning "guarantee"?

As I read the report it was against those liars that say on their sales page (be it WSO or otherwise) that if you buy this crap you will earn $5,389.12 in a week - guaranteed!
When seeing those I also reach for my Uzi...

And for digital downloads I do not offer explicitly any guarantee: you cannot return it as in the case of physical products, so it doesn't make sense to have a 'refund guarantee'.
(I am not saying I don't refund occasionally... I just don't put up any guarantee texts/badges.)

Yes , they are just a lot of type of guarantees, the one you mentioned in your post is, if that's all it says is of course, a waste of a guarantee.

I just felt there was some room to talk about guarantees in a more encompassing way...And wanted mike to expand on it.

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mikemcmillan 15 years ago

Originally Posted by TPFLegionaire

I just felt there was some room to talk about guarantees in a more encompassing way...And wanted mike to expand on it.

There's plenty of room to talk about such things TPF. Thanks! --Mike
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Eko Ventures

15 years ago

That was a great read! Though I have to say as I was making my way through it I kept thinking to myself "Is this really stuff people don't have a grasp of? It's common sense!" sadly common sense isn't all that common in this day and age.

Either way, thanks for this - it was certainly a refreshing reminder that not everybody is oblivious to ins and outs of personal composure when in a public domain.

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JonWebContent

15 years ago

Hey Mike,

I need $250,000 within 6 days to pay off the loan on my private jet. If I don't, they will take it away. Do you know how embarrassing that will be when I have to DRIVE my kids that I don't have to school as opposed to flying them like a real father does?

Mike, you don't want that to happen, do you? Look, I'm desperate. I'm not asking for much. I just want you to spoon feed me EXACTLY how I can make this amount of money online in 6 days.

I have been trying to get a job, I really have. I applied at Taco Bell, but they laughed at me when I told them I need $10,000 per hour. The manager is quite the negotiator - he offered $8/hour. I said "how's about $9,500?". He said "how's about $8?". I said "deal!".

So you can't accuse me of not trying and just attempting to freeload on your knowledge. I got me a job. But, if my math is correct, that will only account for about $190 out of the $250,000 I need.

Please Mike, help me. Do it for my non-existent kids. Help me, help you make me rich!

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15 years ago

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bhuff85

15 years ago

Wait - So you're NOT going to tell me what you would do if you had $328,985 to invest in IM?

/sarcasm

Good read Mike! Hopefully people see this and put it to good use.

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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bhuff85

Wait - So you're NOT going to tell me what you would do if you had $328,985 to invest in IM?
/sarcasm
Good read Mike! Hopefully people see this and put it to good use.

I have big dreams. I haven't decided yet. Besides, they say that men who live within their means suffer from a certain lack of creativity. Thanks bhuff85!

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jasonmorgan

15 years ago

It's a sad form of entertainment, but apparently some sick
twisted individuals find pleasure in it.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

Nice read BTW.

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paulie888

15 years ago

Great guide, Mike. This is a very educational primer that should be mandatory reading for every newbie that joins this forum!

Paul

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15 years ago

Paulie888,
<<Great guide, Mike. This is a very educational primer that should be mandatory reading for every newbie that joins this forum! >>

Thanks Paul, means a lot coming from you! --Mike

JasonMorgan,
<<GET OUT OF MY HEAD!>>

Kind of interesting in there (in a scary sort of way)

.

Steveshills,
<<I loved it and agree with everything you said, great book, thanks >>

Thanks Steven!

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TomVa

15 years ago

Nice article there Mike! Thanks for writing it.

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15 years ago

Sincere thanks to Roaddog, darrenmonroe, LD Carter, tpw, rkcc4, Cay78, Bill Farnham, Palusko, JMichaelZ, Richard Van, Dennis Gaskill, EA. ronsang90, donaldwilson, Murt@gh, donhx, TrishMullen, Dosty, Yasha, JonWebContent... and anyone I missed or couldn't thank. You're good people. Nice to have met you! --Mike

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Jake Gray

15 years ago

Nothing but the truth.

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mikemcmillan 15 years ago

<<Nothing but the truth.>>

Pretty much so, I think! --Mike
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Janice Sperry

15 years ago

I was not going to click the link until I saw a couple posts that it should be a sticky. Glad I clicked.

I loved it. My favorite part was in the section "How Do I Make Mony Online?"

That's like walking into a doctor's office and saying, "I lost my
job last week and need money. I've got 10 minutes. Can you
show me how to do a liver transplant to make some extra

income?"

It also has to be one of the best TITLES.

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mikemcmillan 15 years ago

Yeah, Janice, the doctor's office thingie would be scary! Fortunately I think it still takes many years to get a medical degree. I hope! --Mike
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- Just_Mel 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by mikemcmillan
  
  Yeah, Janice, the doctor's office thingie would be scary! Fortunately I think it still takes many years to get a medical degree. I hope! --Mike
  
  Well you know, they do call it 'practice' for a reason...
  
  Seriously though, I completely agree this should be a sticky and/or prerequisite to getting a username! Negativity abounds and it is very aggravating when people just want to whine & complain but not do ANYTHING to help themselves. Can't stand people like that in real life, can't stand it online either!
  
  And I say this even though I'm one that would apparently set off the 'scam & untrustworthy' alert system - due to my lack of post/thanks. However, I have been around here for a long time - just usually only jump in when warranted! I'm a lurker
  
  Anyway kudos man. This was way overdue and well put
  
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abhi1

15 years ago

Woah! That was one good read. I have to admit, this is THE best damn thing that
I've read in last 4 months. Great stuff Mike...

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mrdomains

15 years ago

I was given a review copy. It is good. I would recommend it.

Guaranteed earnings are bit silly, with earnings not being the same as profits and so on but big numbers do seem to attract. It's a bling-thing I guess.

Let's start a revolución! :p

"No number in WSO title! Vota No! Vota No!"

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Originally Posted by mrdomains

I was given a review copy. It is good. I would recommend it.
Let's start a revolución! :p
"No number in WSO title! Vota No! Vota No!"

que la revolución comienza!
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Johnclave111

15 years ago

yea its interesting post and read for i will go for this stuff.

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Zeid Makkawi

15 years ago

Arghh, hopefuly the review copies still there. Anyway how much you'll sell it for?
Maybe im gonna buy it, as long you give lifetime guarantee for this guide.

ps: Thanks for your post, just finished reading it. Really good read, and
it helps me to understand a lot of aspect about IM Community.

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drmani

15 years ago

Well worth the 10 minutes it took me to read.

And I've been around this forum for at least 8 years -
it's likely to be worth a lot more to those who are
new to this place.

Thanks for putting this together, Mike. Deeply
appreciated

All success
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mikemcmillan 15 years ago

Dr. Mani,
You exemplify all of the good things I said about Forum members in my booklet, both in your work online and off. Thank you!
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Eliot Proud

15 years ago

Cheers Mike

I think that everyone who joins the Warriors Forum should be made to read that before they are accepted.

Sorta like please read these terms and conditions before joining

It does raise one important question though.

How Do I Make Money Online?

Eliot

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sal64

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

Wanted to give back just a bit here. I've developed a little booklet that will offend, outrage, and insult almost all Warriors--and yet, some may find a few words of wisdom within it. Maybe it will help you earn; Hopefully it will help you think.

No opt-in required. No links inside. No self-promotional B.S.

Direct download link: http://bit.ly/gMr1yj

Hope you find it useful.

--Mike

Page 9 is very good. Sage advice.

As for the wso reviews from scammers... another point to look out for is when you ask legitimate questions about a product or their claims, and they get all aggressive and threaten to have you banned etc.

As a paying customer, you are entitled to ask questions before buying.

I recall one guy claiming he made a five figure income from a WSO... what he didn't reveal was that he used a wso to drive traffic to his CB link and boost gravity.. then flip the site.

Semantics? Well maybe, but his implication was that he made the $$ from the WSO, and did not mention flipping.

When I questioned this, he replied with the mother of all verbal sprays.

Haven't seen him lately.

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sal64

15 years ago

... and you might wish to add that people who ask THAT question about how to make a sum in a set time, should also have the decency to at least reply in the the thread and say thanks to those who have given advice.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by sal64

... and you might wish to add that people who ask THAT question about how to make a sum in a set time, should also have the decency to at least reply in the the thread and say thanks to those who have given advice.

I'm going to make that change and reload it later today Sal. Yeah, that's only common courtesy, I agree! --Mike

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PaulMark

15 years ago

Hey Mike!

Thanks for the love. Great report and fun. Telling it like it is is always welcomed!

There's always going to be the whining right?

Mainly because most folks are employees. They've always been told what to do, they do it and even if they do it wrong they still get a stinkin' check. How weird is that?

So they come be-bopping into IM with the same expectation. "Tell me what to do, I'll barely do it and I better get paid or someone is a liar!"

Ahhhh... it's no wonder the failure rate online and offline is embarrassing.

It's not that these are bad folks, they're just trained folks.

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15 years ago

Whathell
<<Arghh, hopefuly the review copies still there.>>

They're still here. --Mike

Thanks for the nice comment abhi1! --Mike

Eliot Proud,
<<It does raise one important question though. How Do I Make Money Online?>>

--That's classified info Eliot. You don't have clearance

Sal64,
<<As a paying customer, you are entitled to ask questions before buying.>>

You're damn right Sal. Some of the WSOs won't even tell you the slightest thing about the "secret technique" they are selling. It's like you go to a car dealer and they have one vehicle covered in a tarp and a sign with the price tag saying: $55,392. They won't tell you the make, model, year, mileage, anything like that... but they want you to buy it blind for 55k. Maybe it's just me, but I like to know a bit about what I'm buying before I go for it. --Mike

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15 years ago

Hey Mike,

Really helpful.

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pizzatherapy

15 years ago

Great, e-book, Mike.

I think your e-book should be rquired reading for every newbie that registers here.

I thought your Rants on WSO's was particularly insightful. I have purchsed several WSO's that I felt were not up to my standards for useful information.

But ask for a refund? Never. I made the choice, I made the decision. I spent the money.

Most WSO's I have purchased have been very worthwhile investments. Some have been very mediocre. I have learned from all of them.

Anyway thanks for taking the time to put this e-book together...

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15 years ago

Thanks Pizzatherapy! Pizza and Hawaii. Life could be worse!!!

<<Most WSO's I have purchased have been very worthwhile investments. Some have been very mediocre. I have learned from all of them.>>

Like I said, I have learned a lot from people I may not agree with but that have experience and knowledge of value. --Mike

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MChriston

15 years ago

Shooting from the hip! A true no BS guide! ...Love it.

RE: 'serial refunders'... I'm big on quality and want to make sure that everything I put out is the very best I can offer. However... It's sad but true that when I compare my refund stats for 'normal sales' vs 'WSO sales' (of the same product), the refund rate for both of my WSO's was noticeably higher than normal sales.

(and of course, the WSO was an offer so had a much lower ticket price...)

Now those stats could be just a fluke as admittedly two WSOs is hardly a large study!

...but there is definitely a suggestion of different buying habits within the forum. So given WF is (like you say in the report) a "community"... it would be a great shame if there are 'serial refunders' stalking this friendly forum.

Great report, Mike ...and definitely gets my vote for it being 'Sticky'

All the best,

Michael

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Karan Goel

15 years ago

For lazies out there, something important I'd like to quote from the book:

There is a ton of great information for sale in the WSO section, but there is also some 3rd rate material promoted with overly-hyped, misleading pitches. Think twice about what you buy and who you are buying it from. There is a lot of gold in there offered by some really good people, but there is also some slag. Be an intelligent, thoughtful buyer.

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Mike,

Great book, nice read. A lot of humor. I was glued to it until I read it. ;-)

Again, it's a must read for all Warriors.

Karan

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Andy Crofford

15 years ago

Great job Mike. This should be required reading for everyone.

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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

Hey Craig,
Glad to see your post, my friend! God bless you and yours. I know things are a mess over there right now with all of the stuff going on. Without saying, all Warrior thoughts are with the Japanese in their hour of need. Keep in touch! -Mike

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trebor58 15 years ago

Mike

As a total newbie to the forum and to (trying) to make money online, I was reading through all the various threads when I came across your thread entitled “500 Review Copies: Serial Refunding, Complaining, Bitch & Moan WF Guide” and to be honest with you I was going to give it a miss, but read through all the post and started to get curious when I kept reading comments like

Great guide, Mike. This is a very educational primer that should be mandatory reading for every newbie that joins this forum! (paulie888)

I think that everyone who joins the Warriors Forum should be made to read that before they are accepted. (Eliot Proud)

I think your e-book should be required reading for every newbie that registers here.
(pizzatherapy)

As a newbie I thought maybe this would help me through the minefield of Scammers, Con artist, and “I made 20 zillion dollars whilst I slept last night and so can you?? Brigade

You know the sales pitch
Just send me $20 and I will show you how” Now surely even the most gullible of people can’t be taken in by that! Can they?? I see it that if this person is making zillions of dollars in their sleep I think this is so good of them to share this awesome information with me during their waking hours and for OH such a small sum of money. Kidding.

But going back to the book, I laughed I was embarrassed, and was ashamed. After all 24 pages I read it again. I agree that it would make a great introduction FREEBIE when someone joins the forum (maybe the mods will consider it).

I have taken snippets from your book and pasted them in to word doc and I have printed them out (hope this does not infringe copyrights) and I am going to use them as guides and inspiration posters.

So a big thank you for educating a total newbie within a few minutes.

I am going to go back and do some more reading, and maybe I will find the goose that lays the golden eggs, as opposed to the vulture that prays on the vulnerable newbie.

Trebor58

I did come across this post and was unsure what it meant?

I was not going to click the link until I saw a couple posts that it should be a sticky (Janice Sperry)
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Anup Mahajan

15 years ago

Simply amazing Mike.. A must read for every warrior
Thanks for taking your time to put down this information...

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pearlydean

15 years ago

The Brian's price tag made me laugh!

Great info Mike and it is good to know that there are other people who care about these things.

Thanks for the insight.

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theemperor

15 years ago

A truly great gift mike, you've distilled common sense into a fine document!

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mikemcmillan

15 years ago

Trebor58,

Thanks for the kind words Trebor. Good luck with all you do here--it's a great place to learn a lot of valuable skills. My Best--Mike

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steveo

15 years ago

Always helping to make the community better, awesome. Taking action is the right step not complaining and moaning.

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Duquette

15 years ago

hi Mike,

your ebook is awesome !, I'm newbie, non-US, running WSO. Thanks god I don't give any refund nor guarantee badge (coz I know my product have it's quality :p)

but still, I hate you Mike, I really hate you. now I can't do anything stupid, you're responsible for this Mike, yeah, you really are. If you don't thanks my post, I'll share this ebook, upload it in some file sharing website. and spread the virus. mwahahahaha *evil laugh*

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Mike McAleer

15 years ago

Thanks for this. I really think that there are a lot of people who do scam but we can all get over it. This ebook you wrote will really bring some good attention to the topic.

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Chris Shaw

15 years ago

Hi Mike,

I found the advice you put on my post to be really usefull and intuitive, and thought I would have a look at some more of your posts, I downloaded a review copy and had a read, its a good resource for anyone here on the forum, and any newcomers in the future,

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buckeyes09

15 years ago

Very good read for what to look out as a newbie, but also what to expect.

And I find the sociology of forums very interesting.

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Christian Little

15 years ago

That was highly entertaining Mike. All of it's true, and I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I was reading it

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15 years ago

STEVEO, THEEMPEROR, MIKE MCALEER: Thanks guys, nice to meet you all!

CHRISTIAN LITTLE:
<<All of it's true, and I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I was reading it.>>

Christian, that's ok--I almost fell out of my chair writing parts of it. Glad you liked it. Nice to meet you as well. --Mike

DUQUETTE:
<<...but still, I hate you Mike, I really hate you. now I can't do anything stupid>>

Hey, I do stupid things every day! Don't let my booklet stop you! Ha, ha

--Mike

ERGOSUM: Thanks, Chris. Until recently my daughter lived in London for 3 years and loved it. Nice to meet you, Chris! --Mike

BUCKEYES09: Thanks for the comment, Chris. From Ohio?--you're practically a neighbor to me in Michigan. We can be friends here on the WF, but on Saturday afternoons during college football season ya know I'm going to be rooootin' for the Wolverines! Thanks again! --Mike

Just_Mel:
<<I'm a lurker. Anyway kudos man. This was way overdue and well put.>>

Thanks, Mel. Nice to meet you as well! Hey, keep on lurking--no law against that here. Thanks again. --Mike

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

BUCKEYES09: Thanks for the comment, Chris. From Ohio?--you're practically a neighbor to me in Michigan. We can be friends here on the WF, but on Saturday afternoons during college football season ya know I'm going to be rooootin' for the Wolverines! Thanks again! --Mike

Well, we had a game last week.

Good luck in the tourney; I need you guys to win a game!

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Jun Balona

15 years ago

Just finished reading it Mike.

It is as it is. A good read IMHO.

I affirm what you have said. We truly are a family here.

And that is what matters the most.

Jun