If You Don't Like Pay Pal What System Do You Use?

13 years ago

It's not a standalone solution, but have a look at AlertPay. They might be what you are looking for. They integrate with DLGuard, too, which then again can be used in conjunction with Post Affiliate Pro.

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scrofford

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JanG

It's not a standalone solution, but have a look at AlertPay. They might be what you are looking for. They integrate with DLGuard, too, which then again can be used in conjunction with Post Affiliate Pro.

Yeah I have heard good things about Alert Pay. I am just hoping I could find something like RAP. I know DLGuard is good but it's different than RAP. Thanks though.

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DeborahDera

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JanG

It's not a standalone solution, but have a look at AlertPay. They might be what you are looking for. They integrate with DLGuard, too, which then again can be used in conjunction with Post Affiliate Pro.

I second AlertPay. I had to set up an account there once before and it works in a manner very similar to PayPal.

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scrofford

13 years ago

Anyone have any other payment systems they use? I just think that using Pay Pal is too risky and CB has played games with too many people.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by scrofford

Anyone have any other payment systems they use? I just think that using Pay Pal is too risky and CB has played games with too many people.

I think you're asking as a vendor? My impression is that Clickbank is as good as anything, for vendors: it's affiliates who have most of the problems, really?

I always use PayPal for preference (though I don't altogether like it and am growing increasingly wary of them after reading E Brian Rose's recent-ish thread about them).

However, my own second choice would definitely be AlertPay. I think they've improved in leaps and bounds over the last 3 years and are really "trying hard". I know there are a lot of "older adverse stories" about them, but my own belief is that these are now out-of-date and there isn't much to worry about.

The only drawback I see, myself, with AlertPay, is that because of their (still continuing) policy of accepting pyramid scams, money-tunnels, illegal HYIP's and some other pretty unsavoury "opportunities", and being the only well-known payment processor to do so, "accepting AlertPay only" can - and perhaps not altogether unreasonably - ring some alarm-bells in the minds of some people, along the lines of "If AlertPay are the only people who'll do business with this outfit, then something may be seriously amiss".

My third choice would be MoneyBookers, but in my experience their customer service can be really, really bad.

Google Checkout may also be worth a look. To vendors, it's not very UK-friendly (awkward requirements requiring VAT-registered corporations and so on) but may be a lot more convenient in other countries. Many of these places do vary quite a bit from country to country, and have some widely differing regulations in different parts of the world.

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scrofford

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I think you're asking as a vendor? My impression is that Clickbank is as good as anything, for vendors: it's affiliates who have most of the problems, really?

I always use PayPal for preference (though I don't altogether like it and am growing increasingly wary of them after reading E Brian Rose's recent-ish thread about them).

However, my own second choice would definitely be AlertPay. I think they've improved in leaps and bounds over the last 3 years and are really "trying hard". I know there are a lot of "older adverse stories" about them, but my own belief is that these are now out-of-date and there isn't much to worry about.

The only drawback I see, myself, with AlertPay, is that because of their (still continuing) policy of accepting pyramid scams, money-tunnels, illegal HYIP's and some other pretty unsavoury "opportunities", and being the only well-known payment processor to do so, "accepting AlertPay only" can - and perhaps not altogether unreasonably - ring some alarm-bells in the minds of some people, along the lines of "If AlertPay are the only people who'll do business with this outfit, then something may be seriously amiss".

My third choice would be MoneyBookers, but in my experience their customer service can be really, really bad.

Google Checkout may also be worth a look. To vendors, it's not very UK-friendly (awkward requirements requiring VAT-registered corporations and so on) but may be a lot more convenient in other countries. Many of these places do vary quite a bit from country to country, and have some widely differing regulations in different parts of the world.

Thanks Alexa! Yes I am talking as a vendor. Alert Pay isn't like RAP though is it? I thought they only just take payments etc. They don't have a way to set up an affiliate system or anything.

I never have heard of Money Bookers but will look into them too. Google Checkout might be something to look into too...never thought of that one! Thanks for your help!

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by scrofford

Alert Pay isn't like RAP though is it? I thought they only just take payments etc. They don't have a way to set up an affiliate system or anything.

No, nothing like that - just a payment processor.

Good luck, anyway!
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- lonicera 13 years ago
  
  I like paypal only because of it's huge popularity, however here in Croatia we are not allowed to accept paypal payments, so I use it only for spending money.
  For accepting payments I use Alertpay and it is working for me pretty good.
  If you want to sell something, for example an info product you can get an AlertPay BUY button. This way you can also accept credit card payments.
  
  Another thing that you may consider as a vendor is to set up 2checkout.com account. I don't use them, but I'm planing to, very soon.
  
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DireStraits

13 years ago

I used 2Checkout.com when I was a service provider (web host), and never had an issue with them. Although they used to hold back a certain percentage of each settlement in case of chargebacks, refunds and so on, which they would release to you after a certain amount of time.

I haven't used them for about 4 years, mind, but I know some Warriors use them, and John Robinson (XFactor - the "famous AdSense guy" on here) looks to have been using them to receive payments for his ebook(s) for some time, too, so I assume he's had no bother with them.

Might be worth a look, anyhow. They were always good to me.

G'night.

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Silas Hart

13 years ago

I use a regular merchant, but I have to say, I do like ProPay. My gateway is PayFlow Pro, which allows me to accept PayPal payments and do things like recurring billing.

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Sheryl Polomka

13 years ago

I use 2Checkout and am very happy with them. I like them because my customers can still pay with Paypal if they like which means I'm not missing out on sales because I don't accept Paypal. I used Alertpay for a while and it was ok but I really do think I missed out on sales with it. If people don't have an account they might not bother wanting to set one up just to buy your product.

With 2Checkout your customers can pay with credit card or paypal but it doesn't go through your Paypal account so you don't have to worry about any Paypal issues.

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Kevin Riley 13 years ago

I'm using 2 Checkout for my Clockwork Blogs program, and loving it. Great processor and fantastic tech support. They have been very helpful.
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13 years ago

I am taking a serious look at Beanstream at the moment. They were recommended by a fellow warrior in another post. (Can't remember the Warrior or the post, but I do remember seeing here on the forum not too long ago.)

Beanstream Electronic Payment Processing - Online Credit Card Processing, Online Debit Cards, and Direct Debits / Direct Payments.

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markthompson

13 years ago

Another obvious choice is Google Checkout. However I have also heard from many people that 2Checkout.com is a great system as well.

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donhx

13 years ago

Originally Posted by markthompson

Another obvious choice is Google Checkout. However I have also heard from many people that 2Checkout.com is a great system as well.

I'm wondering why more people don't use Google Checkout? Is there some special reason it is not widely used in IM? It seldom comes up when people are talking about various options.

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by donhx

I'm wondering why more people don't use Google Checkout? Is there some special reason it is not widely used in IM?

The terms of service vary (a lot) between different countries.

I know only the UK perspective, which is - unless it's changed over the last year or so - that I can use it for collecting payments only if I have a VAT-registered limited liability company. (I do have a limited company, but don't use it a lot and have no need for it to be VAT-registered, so that effectively excludes them for me).

As a purchaser, I've used Google Checkout only once, and my credit-card company "didn't like them" and phoned me with a lot of "security questions" before authorising the payment. (It was, admittedly, a four-figure transaction). One obviously can't object to this sort of thing, as it's clearly designed partly for customer protection, but at the time it was a nuisance and a negative, and they haven't ever done it for any other online processor I've ever used for the first time as a customer. It didn't exactly endear Google Checkout to me, and left me wondering - rightly or wrongly - whether credit-card companies regard it as a "high fraud risk". I'm "just saying".)
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vishalduggal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by donhx

I'm wondering why more people don't use Google Checkout? Is there some special reason it is not widely used in IM? It seldom comes up when people are talking about various options.

I think the main reason for NOT using Google Checkout is that it is only available for US and UK citizens. But incoming years I hope this will gonna be great and available in all countries. Because as consider to Google Checkout VS. PayPal, people trust Google more then anybody else.
As you may already know as compare to Google vs. PayPal there are very few people who knows PayPal but everybody know Google. People feel more comfortableness using Google then anybody else. I hope Google will going to be handle more transactions then PayPal in future.

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snginnovations

13 years ago

I love Google Checkout. For folks that don't want to pay that way (or can't due to being in certain countries), I use 2checkout to accept paypal payments.

Paypal is THE DEVIL!

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Kyle Kasterson

13 years ago

I've personally always been fond of AlertPay or Google Checkout.

They are pretty good alternatives to paypal, might wanna check them out.

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KateD

13 years ago

Hi...

I also use 2checkout. And the fact that they allow buyers to use their Paypal accounts to pay is quite beneficial. It's also very affordable.

The only drawback to 2checkout is that if you get the basic service, you can only use the order links on a single domain name. There is a package that offers the ability to use it on multiple sites, but it does cost a bit more.

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masterofinternate

13 years ago

Alas!In my country, here's not the service of paypal or Alertpay is available

My payment comes through Western Union money transfer and direct check payment and I have to pay a big amount of VAT at the time of withdrawn.

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vishalduggal

13 years ago

Looks like 2 checkout is winning the game.

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donhx 13 years ago

Originally Posted by vishalduggal

Looks like 2 checkout is winning the game.

No, PayPal is the clear winner. They have over 250 million customers and none of the other online payment services comes close to that.

Plus, other companies, like 2Check out, charge high fees, and they hold back payments to protect themselves against fraud and charge backs.

People love to bash PayPal, and I think that's wrong. I have pumped a lot of money through their system since 2002 and I've been very happy. Do I also have Google Checkout and Moneybookers? Sure, but PayPal is the best.
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- ClarkIke 13 years ago
  
  Paypal is horrible.
  
  Paypal froze my account with $2800 in it. They said my "business model" does not meet their requirements. However I have been using them for over 2 years. They gave no explanation at all. They will not tell you what "disqualifies" you from using their service. They will not review your response.
  
  Heres the thing that gets me. I have a business model that is 100% identical to my competitors (I sell a service just like my competitors). None of us offer anything unique from each other or other products. There are about 10 major players in the industry and I am one of them. All of my competitors are using Paypal, but suddenly I cant. I dont get it. I asked them about this but they refuse to review it. Some of my competitors do about $40k a year in revenue while the largest direct competitor does about $2.5 million a year. I do about $80k a year.
  
  I love their service, but their customer service needs improvement. Who cuts off a loyal client and then gives no explanation? ...and continues to let their direct competitors use their service?
  
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akira07

13 years ago

It's hard to answer. Paypal is the mostly used, it's the mostly accepted by the mostly merchant. I've no other international payment system except paypal.

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sloanjim

13 years ago

yep P.P. really sucks i read all the posts about limited accounts and thought "it can never happen to me..." Last week guess what? Why? I had 6 refunds in Feb....10 years history...don't care. NEVER use them again..well i mgiht but only to screw them.

What's this about?

I always use PayPal for preference (though I don't altogether like it and am growing increasingly wary of them after reading E Brian Rose's recent-ish thread about them).

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sloanjim

13 years ago

yeah iused to think the same wait till they limit your account and they will with enough time and sales....I was with them since i think it was 2001....makes 0 difference with them.

People love to bash PayPal, and I think that's wrong. I have pumped a lot of money through their system since 2002 and I've been very happy. Do I also have Google Checkout and Moneybookers? Sure, but PayPal is the best.

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sloanjim

13 years ago

i tell you now a big venture capital firm should set up a rival to paypal........there's an opening there. Do as P.P. do but with regulation and stop limiting people accounts on whims. BIG BIZ!

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akira07

13 years ago

Well we can't blame paypal 100%. The one we should blame is the scammer. They're the one who makes paypal become this protective.

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aritrim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by scrofford

What I am asking is say you don't like using Pay Pal but you want something like Rapid Action Profits, but RAP only works with Pay Pal from what I am finding out. What system do you use?

I know a lot of people go with CB but I really am not very impressed with them anymore. So what stand alone system do you like that does everything RAP will do?

I like to use ANYTHING that MAJORITY of my CUSTOMERS like using. And Paypal wins there anytime, everytime. If you have a personal issue with Paypal it is separate otherwise, stick to something that your CUSTOMERS like to use or most importantly TRUST.

You can run a vote, through your list. That would give a rough idea of the general preference.

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jurojin

13 years ago

Moneybookers is very good, it's like the Paypal of Europe.You can still process paypal and get moneybookers using click2sell.eu if needed.

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cosiman

13 years ago

i'm using money-bookers, and have good experiences there.

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abbesnwk

Banned 13 years ago

but why don you like paypal?

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Online Bliss

13 years ago

Google Payments coupled with
e-junkie seems to work very well.

"Kevin Riley",
I hope your family and friends
are all okay there in Japan.
And I thought the weather here was bad!

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eta32

Banned 13 years ago

dunno really

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