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I have a question about the rules relating to our signatures, and that is are we allowed to promote a product we are going to be selling in a WSO before it has gone live?

Appreciate any feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    I don't see why not.

    You just can't have an affiliate link in your signature.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    If it is your product and your site then sure.

    Here is what the sig rules states:
    SIGNATURE FILE RULES

    Sig Files are getting out of hand.

    We're getting all colors of the rainbow and some people are using massive fonts...comes a time when things need to get back into line so...

    NEW SIG FILE RULES

    (1) Maximum length of sig file is 5 lines which includes any blank lines used for spaces.

    EDIT: War Room members are allowed up to 6 lines.

    (2) You are only permitted 1 color in your sig file, this can be any color so long as it's black (hyper links can be blue as they come up this way on the board)

    (3) Sig files may only be written in the normal standard font size.

    (4) You may bold or italicize but that's it.

    added by admin:

    (5) No Affiliate Links Allowed - Promote Your Own Domain/s Only. It's either this or we have to cut out sig files altogether which we do not want to do.

    (6) Anyone Caught Promoting The Same Site/Offer Will Be Deleted. Program owners are telling their members to come here and make posts to promote their offer in their sig files. This has caused tons of useless messages to be posted and it is clogging up the forum. Anyone caught doing this will have to be removed. This is not an ad forum - it is a discussion forum.

    Edit: We have no problem with someone pointing to their WSO within their sig.

    Edit: Due to certain people trying to find a loophole I needed to add yet another edit. Please do not try to get around these rules by getting your own domain name and simply redirecting it to an affiliate program. You Will Be Removed From Here When Caught.

    If you want to promote an affiliate program do it on your own domain. Your own web site. Not a "pre-made" web site. Your own web site, a real one. Then put THAT web site in your sig file.

    A simple way to stay within this rule is this: Promote Your Own Real Web Site And Do Not Listen To Anyone Who Tells You To Come Here Just To Promote A Site They Created For You.


    Hope that Helps,
    Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    Yeah I know all of that, but there are some unwritten rules and I want to make sure.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by mikescos View Post

      Yeah I know all of that, but there are some unwritten rules and I want to make sure.
      Talking about your sig while promoting something in it could be seen worth reporting before certain mods (remember we all are mods) have their Coffee.

      Personally, and this is just me, if and when I talk about my sig I turn it off in the post that talks about it.

      Also some "unwritten rules" are made up as needed.

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Mike,

        By itself, there is nothing wrong with pre-promoting an upcoming WSO in your sig file. People do that all the time, and it's not a problem.

        I say "by itself" because it can be a problem if you're pointing people to your sig file in the body of a post. That's something to avoid no matter what you have in the sig, though.


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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Mike,

          By itself, there is nothing wrong with pre-promoting an upcoming WSO in your sig file. People do that all the time, and it's not a problem.

          I say "by itself" because it can be a problem if you're pointing people to your sig file in the body of a post. That's something to avoid no matter what you have in the sig, though.


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          Understood. Thanks for the feedback.
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      • Profile picture of the author bobsilber
        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        Personally, and this is just me, if and when I talk about my sig I turn it off in the post that talks about it.

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        Hey George, if you turn your sig file off for a specific post, then turn it back on for another post, doesn't it then populate all your posts with a sig file?
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        • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
          Originally Posted by bobsilber View Post

          Hey George, if you turn your sig file off for a specific post, then turn it back on for another post, doesn't it then populate all your posts with a sig file?
          I am sure you are right,

          I was under the impression that an active sig showed on every post you made
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Bob,
          Hey George, if you turn your sig file off for a specific post, then turn it back on for another post, doesn't it then populate all your posts with a sig file?
          Nope. I've turned mine off for this post...
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            ... and left it on for this one.


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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Bob,

              To do that one a per post basis, look in the "Additional Options" list below the text box for entering your post. Uncheck "Show your signature," and it will turn it off for that post only.


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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    I've been here a while and I have never seen anyone nuked for promoting their own
    products in their signature.(except trolls)

    Remember that when your WSO goes live that the price you offer it at should be
    better than the price it is available to the general public at large.

    Hence "Warrior Special Offer"

    Hope that Helps,
    Have a Great Day!
    Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel J
    It is admirable of you to check this before proceeding. From the written rules, it seems completely acceptable to promote your own domain or product that you own. As far as the "unwritten" rules, I don't see how you could be held responsible for those, but probably best to wait for more responses from other long-time members of the forum
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    I have not done this nor do I ever plan to do it, but what about someone promoting another persons WSO, with just a link to the other persons WSO in their sig file?

    I have seen that done a few times.......
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Steve,

      No affiliate stuff? I'd have no problem with it, personally. I did that when Becky was running an offer to raise money for the folks in her area who'd lost homes and the like due to tornadoes last year.

      Legit charities are also okay.


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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Steve,

        No affiliate stuff? I'd have no problem with it, personally. I did that when Becky was running an offer to raise money for the folks in her area who'd lost homes and the like due to tornadoes last year.

        Legit charities are also okay.


        Paul
        Thanks alot Paul, I tend to listen to lots of people at times and consider what they say as we all should, but certain peoples advice I tend to take with more credibility.

        Not that others aren't credible, but that your voice on the matter has more solidity in my mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

      I have not done this nor do I ever plan to do it, but what about someone promoting another persons WSO, with just a link to the other persons WSO in their sig file?

      I have seen that done a few times.......
      Not to argue with Paul on this, because I'm sure that the use he mentions is totally 100% OK because of the "Warrior Spirit" it displays. However....

      Now I'm working strictly on memory on this so don't hold my feet to the fire.

      A long time ago Allen was deciding on whether or not even to keep Sigs because of the abuse.

      When he laid down some very simple rules on this he got a ton of questions and they culminated in "Sigs must lead to your own site." I know there are exceptions like the one Paul mentioned and others. However...

      The reason for the simi strict "only to your own site," warning was because people were selling their sig space, and marketers too busy to post and display their own sigs got a lot of sig exposure from other's sigs.

      I'll totally stand corrected here, but, that is my recollection.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        Not to argue with Paul on this, because I'm sure that the use he mentions is totally 100% OK because of the "Warrior Spirit" it displays. However....

        Now I'm working strictly on memory on this so don't hold my feet to the fire.

        A long time ago Allen was deciding on whether or not even to keep Sigs because of the abuse.

        When he laid down some very simple rules on this he got a ton of questions and they culminated in "Sigs must lead to your own site." I know there are exceptions like the one Paul mentioned and others. However...

        The reason for the simi strict "only to your own site," warning was because people were selling their sig space, and marketers too busy to post and display their own sigs got a lot of sig exposure from other's sigs.

        I'll totally stand corrected here, but, that is my recollection.

        George Wright?

        That makes sense, because it definately could be abused. I just have seen a few people whom I consider friends doing something similar to this, and wanted to make sure it was ok, because I would hate to see them get banned from the Warrior Forum.

        Specifically linking in your sig file to anothers WSO, although it's not an affiliate link, I think it may be a bit on the gray side for the warrior forum....?
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      • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        "Sigs must lead to your own site." I know there are exceptions like the one Paul mentioned and others. However...

        Having seen various signatures in the past few weeks i really doubt that's being adhered to!
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        • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
          Originally Posted by M Thompson View Post

          Having seen various signatures in the past few weeks i really doubt that's being adhered to!
          Hit this button if they aren't compliant:



          And warn them about breaking the rules. This is a member moderated forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
            Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

            Hit this button if they aren't compliant:



            And warn them about breaking the rules. This is a member moderated forum.
            yeah i know dude , and I have on occasions but it's becoming quite prevalent and there are aren't enough hours in the day..
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          M,
          Having seen various signatures in the past few weeks i really doubt that's being adhered to!
          It's being worked on. It's not possible to catch all the ones linking to someone else's site for SEO purposes, but we catch quite a few. And for the people who do that (including affiliate links) and still post useful info, we have another new option: Turning off their sig files.

          We usually warn folks first, with the "No affiliate links in sig files" note. Turning it off entirely is for more serious cases, or folks who're posting purely for SEO stuff.

          Steve,

          Hmmm... Selling sig file space. I'd forgotten about that.

          I personally wouldn't care, as long as they were real people posting as they normally would. Really. I wouldn't care.

          This does raise a question, though. How long would it be before we started seeing fake accounts with the same offshore paid posters, or autoposting, linking to WSOs and claiming they were doing it out of appreciation for the product?

          I'm guessing a week or two, tops.

          Over time, there'd be tens of thousands of posts which could have their sigs pointed to one WSO or another within minutes. Best to avoid that, I think.

          Thanks for the reminder, George.

          One of the things I hate about moderating: You always have to think like the schmucks who want to game the system.


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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            M,It's being worked on. It's not possible to catch all the ones linking to someone else's site for SEO purposes, but we catch quite a few. And for the people who do that (including affiliate links) and still post useful info, we have another new option: Turning off their sig files.

            We usually warn folks first, with the "No affiliate links in sig files" note. Turning it off entirely is for more serious cases, or folks who're posting purely for SEO stuff.

            Steve,

            Hmmm... Selling sig file space. I'd forgotten about that.

            I personally wouldn't care, as long as they were real people posting as they normally would. Really. I wouldn't care.

            This does raise a question, though. How long would it be before we started seeing fake accounts with the same offshore paid posters, or autoposting, linking to WSOs and claiming they were doing it out of appreciation for the product?

            I'm guessing a week or two, tops.

            Over time, there'd be tens of thousands of posts which could have their sigs pointed to one WSO or another within minutes. Best to avoid that, I think.

            Thanks for the reminder, George.

            One of the things I hate about moderating: You always have to think like the schmucks who want to game the system.


            Paul
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


            One of the things I hate about moderating: You always have to think like the schmucks who want to game the system.


            Paul
            Paul, my wife's cousin's husband is retiring from the police force after doing a 20/20. 20 years military, at least part as an MP, followed by 20 as a cop.

            When people tell him he's a sneaky SOB, he says that to be a good cop, you have to have the potential to be a good crook, too.

            Although he also maintains that "criminal genius" is an oxymoron...
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          • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            M,It's being worked on. It's not possible to catch all the ones linking to someone else's site for SEO purposes, but we catch quite a few. And for the people who do that (including affiliate links) and still post useful info, we have another new option: Turning off their sig files.
            Paul
            I am sure it is, it's just a bit annoying seeing the same sorts of accounts appear every day posting inane comments to bump post count then in the next day or two you have 3 short anchor text links appear in the sigs
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by M Thompson View Post

          Having seen various signatures in the past few weeks i really doubt that's being adhered to!
          I think for the most part it is being adhered to "in spirit". Paul has mentioned that there are exceptions that aren't going to get you in trouble.

          I had a link to my Flippa auction and I've seen others do that as well. The sales page is not your domain, but it is your product that you are selling on a paid for ad page. It was brought to the mods (Paul's) attention and I was told that was ok.

          I've linked to a WSO for charity and as mentioned, no one is going to get in trouble for that.

          I think it's pretty easy to interpret the rule .... no affiliate links, no selling your sig space are two that jump out to me as going to land you in WF Jail.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            While we're on the subject, I'd love to put a link in my signature to my
            daughter Christine's blog.

            It has nothing to do with making money or Internet marketing. It's pretty
            much about music and TV but has tons of odds and ends on it.

            The blog, technically, is hosted by me on my account (cause I'm a really
            cool dad ) but the site is hers. No question about it. I have nothing to do
            with it. She runs the whole thing.

            Would it be permissible for me to place a link to her blog in my signature?
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              While we're on the subject, I'd love to put a link in my signature to my
              daughter Christine's blog.

              It has nothing to do with making money or Internet marketing. It's pretty
              much about music and TV but has tons of odds and ends on it.

              The blog, technically, is hosted by me on my account (cause I'm a really
              cool dad ) but the site is hers. No question about it. I have nothing to do
              with it. She runs the whole thing.

              Would it be permissible for me to place a link to her blog in my signature?
              I'm not sure and I'll let a mod answer.

              However, if you're not in fact Steven and you are in fact his daughter and you've sneakily logged on as your Father, that may not be allowed and Daddy will be very upset when he gets home.

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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                I'm not sure and I'll let a mod answer.

                However, if you're not in fact Steven and you are in fact his daughter and you've sneakily logged on as your Father, that may not be allowed and Daddy will be very upset when he gets home.

                Richard...my daughter doesn't even know this place exists.

                And I prefer to keep it that way.

                Last thing SHE needs to see is some of the stuff that I've let spill out of
                my mouth over the 5 plus years I've been here.

                She might end up disowning me.
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            • Profile picture of the author Diane S
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              While we're on the subject, I'd love to put a link in my signature to my
              daughter Christine's blog.

              It has nothing to do with making money or Internet marketing. It's pretty
              much about music and TV but has tons of odds and ends on it.

              The blog, technically, is hosted by me on my account (cause I'm a really
              cool dad ) but the site is hers. No question about it. I have nothing to do
              with it. She runs the whole thing.

              Would it be permissible for me to place a link to her blog in my signature?
              Is your daughter the registrant?
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by Diane S View Post

                Is your daughter the registrant?
                No, the domain is registered under my name and it's on my hosting account
                with Hostgator.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    See, if your going to talk about your sig.... MY SIG IS AWESOME.

    you gotta do this -- man, going without the sig makes me feel kinda cool...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

      See, if your going to talk about your sig.... MY SIG IS AWESOME.

      you gotta do this -- man, going without the sig makes me feel kinda cool...

      Lol! Mine is better........
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Paul, Since we're on the Sig rule thing I have a question.

    I have a site where people list their product offers. Seeing that it is their
    offer and no affiliate links are involved, can they place a link to their offer
    listed on my site in their WF sig? (Some may not have their own website)

    And, can I place a link to their offer in my WF sig since it is my site?

    Just curious, I'm sure I will run into this in the near future.

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Michael,

    You can. They can't.


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  • Profile picture of the author MandoThrasher
    My signature was removed and replaced with "No affiliate links in sig." It was not an affiliate link, unless I don't understand the term "affiliate link".
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by MandoThrasher View Post

      My signature was removed and replaced with "No affiliate links in sig." It was not an affiliate link, unless I don't understand the term "affiliate link".
      Well that means one of two things.

      Either a mod mistakenly (they are human) thought your non affiliate link, was in fact an affiliate link,

      or..

      You don't in fact understand the term "affiliate link".

      Was the site yours? Or was it a site that, if it resulted in the sale of someone else's product, you got paid for it?
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      • Profile picture of the author MandoThrasher
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Well that means one of two things.

        Either a mod mistakenly (they are human) thought your non affiliate link, was in fact an affiliate link,

        or..

        You don't in fact understand the term "affiliate link".

        Was the site yours? Or was it a site that, if it resulted in the sale of someone else's product, you got paid for it?
        I'm pretty sure I understand what an affiliate link is. For example, a clickbank offer that's not my own product.

        I'm a hosting reseller. I was linking to my hosting reseller site. I don't physically own the servers, but I am able to sell reseller sites to web developers, etc that want to offer hosting. Yes, I make money off the sales and so does the hosting provider. So I can see how that falls into the "affiliate" link category - even though my idea of affiliate link is more along the lines of clickbank offers.

        How about if I link to a landing page offering a free report on how I made $5200 last year selling web hosting? I guess that would follow the rules, eh?
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by MandoThrasher View Post

          I'm pretty sure I understand what an affiliate link is. For example, a clickbank offer that's not my own product.

          I'm a hosting reseller. I was linking to my hosting reseller site. I don't physically own the servers, but I am able to sell reseller sites to web developers, etc that want to offer hosting. Yes, I make money off the sales and so does the hosting provider. So I can see how that falls into the "affiliate" link category - even though my idea of affiliate link is more along the lines of clickbank offers.

          How about if I link to a landing page offering a free report on how I made $5200 last year selling web hosting? I guess that would follow the rules, eh?
          Hi MandoThrasher,

          I can see how that breaks the rules. You don't own the hosting company, you're selling their product and getting a commission for it.

          If you direct them to a site you own with a link to the reseller package on that page or any affiliate offer, that's fine. You just can't put an affiliate link of any kind in your signature.

          As a general rule, only link to a site you own.

          CB are indeed affiliate links but you are an affiliate if you are the middle man. You're introducing customers to a product that's not yours, to get a commission from it.

          I'm sure it was done innocently anyway, if you weren't aware it was an affiliate link, how were you to know you breaking any rules?
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          • Profile picture of the author MandoThrasher
            Thanks, Richard!

            I'll be sure to only link to sites I own. However, how will the forum mods know that I own the the site? I guess they'll see there's no affiliate ID or anything being passed? What if it's a product you developed that you're also offering through clickbank?
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by MandoThrasher View Post

              Thanks, Richard!

              I'll be sure to only link to sites I own. However, how will the forum mods know that I own the the site? I guess they'll see there's no affiliate ID or anything being passed? What if it's a product you developed that you're also offering through clickbank?
              Hi MandoThrasher,

              Believe me, they can see a lot more than you think!

              Don't worry. They'll know it's yours, better still, they'll definately know it's not an affiliate link. Besides, you can prove it's yours.

              If it's a product you own and sell in CB, you just link to your main domain. Anyone at CB will have the hoplink bit added to the end of the domain, you have the actual site. Some people try to get around this rule by redirecting from a domain that belongs to them to an affiliate link. Sadly for them, that's very easy to spot too.

              Either way, it's pretty clear you're not trying to bend the rules to your own advantage. I'm sure the mods will have seen that. PM me if you're worried about anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by mikescos View Post

    I have a question about the rules relating to our signatures, and that is are we allowed to promote a product we are going to be selling in a WSO before it has gone live?

    Appreciate any feedback.
    Sure ... just promote on your own website and link to that until the WSO goes live.
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    If you adhere to the spirit of the rules, you generally won't get
    in trouble. If you game the system, you're probably going to get
    caught, and eventually banned.

    There are people who were "banished" from the forum incidentally.
    You don't hear about them because we don't want to bring them
    back, but the mods can at some point get fed up with playing
    games.

    Mods make mistakes and even former mods get their posts nuked
    from time to time.

    The system does offer a lot of benefits though, so I personally
    wouldn't try gaming it.

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      Originally Posted by iamsmileman View Post

      hi forums....
      Ooooh look, a little troll.
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