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Thank you Tiffany

by glennda
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Hi everyone,

Tiffany Dow suggested that I join this forum and I'm so thankful. There is a wealth of information here. I've never seen so many eager to help. I've stayed in the background a bit just to see how things work and I'm just starting to get the hang of it.

I've bought a few programs from the WSO and I love the specials. It's like buying wholesale! I bought some plrl, I bought a content spinner type program from Mr. Chan and I've learned a lot of very interesting tips of do's and don't s. So thank you all for that.

I joined Elance and got myself a job. I am trying to get my website known so I decided to take a job of rewriting content for $1.00 a page. In exchange, I requested that if they loved how I wrote, they needed to leave me feedback and he did. I did 10 rewritten articles for $10.00

Today I get an email telling me that he'll pay me $20.00 in advance for another 20 articles. I truly don't feel I should get paid the same as someone writing from scratch like a ghostwriter, however, there is a lot of work involved researching the information then writing it in my own words.

Is it common or normal for people to only charge $1.00 for 400 words? I only offered this price in exchange for feedback. If it isn't fair, then how should I tell him without losing his business or already starting off on the wrong foot?

Thank you for any advice.
Brenda
#articles #plr #rewrites #tiffany
  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Wow...

    It's really unreasonable for someone to expect 20 (I'm assuming "quality" and original) articles for $20....
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      Wow...

      It's really unreasonable for someone to expect 20 (I'm assuming "quality" and original) articles for $20....
      He is saying that he is getting people to write for that cheap so either they are out there or he is lying.

      Thank you for your opinion
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      Wow...

      It's really unreasonable for someone to expect 20 (I'm assuming "quality" and original) articles for $20....
      I know eh. However, people on elance.com are doing it all the time. I did it once to get my name known but it was a lot of work and I won't do it again.
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      Wow...

      It's really unreasonable for someone to expect 20 (I'm assuming "quality" and original) articles for $20....
      Hi again,

      I've since realized that there are people out there that will work for that kind of money and I've decided against it.

      I don't spin the articles, I write them from scratch.

      Sometimes I need to learn the hard way but now I know, min $5.00 per page for rewrites and $20.00 per page for originals.

      Appreciate your reply though
      Brenda
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  • Profile picture of the author Jazdaddy
    Unless you have an article mill on standby ready to churn out congruent words, $1. is way low and your clients may not perceive your work as valuable..Let your current and new clients know you were running a "Special Offer" and it is now over. And if you are using PLR to spin articles, you will may want to stay with your competition in the five dollar range.
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by Jazdaddy View Post

      Unless you have an article mill on standby ready to churn out congruent words, $1. is way low and your clients may not perceive your work as valuable..Let your current and new clients know you were running a "Special Offer" and it is now over. And if you are using PLR to spin articles, you will may want to stay with your competition in the five dollar range.
      Spin articles, that was the word I was looking for. I didn't use it because it kept giving me stuff that didn't make sense however, I wish I could have.

      I am like your advice, I did tell him it was a special or a deal for feedback but I just wanted to make sure with this forum because I knew you guys would tell me the truth. Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by Jazdaddy View Post

      Unless you have an article mill on standby ready to churn out congruent words, $1. is way low and your clients may not perceive your work as valuable..Let your current and new clients know you were running a "Special Offer" and it is now over. And if you are using PLR to spin articles, you will may want to stay with your competition in the five dollar range.
      Hi,

      After writing a few rewrites, I made a decision that I will not do anymore rewrites under $5.00 but most times I'll lose the bid but that is ok because I've seen some articles on site that look totally garbage.

      Thank you for replying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Be honest with your customer.
    Thank them for the feedback and tell them that the $1 articles were a special offer
    and that you can't continue to produce them at that price. Be flattered that They
    asked you to do more. Maybe seeing that this person did help you help them that you
    can offer them a discount on the 20 they are requesting.

    Just a thought while traveling,
    Have a Great Day!
    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Unfortunately, and here's the dilemma: a person like this, who would offer this in the first place, I'm not sure I'd want as a customer/client anyway. No matter how nicely and tactfully she words an email to him/her, they may just flat out not want to pay anymore than a $1 an article.

      I'd definitely be honest and to the point. If you feel you have proven that you do great work, hopefully they will agree to what you set for pricing. Proving your worth puts more control into your hands. They want it? They pay the price for it...
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      • Profile picture of the author glennda
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        Unfortunately, and here's the dilemma: a person like this, who would offer this in the first place, I'm not sure I'd want as a customer/client anyway. No matter how nicely and tactfully she words an email to him/her, they may just flat out not want to pay anymore than a $1 an article.

        I'd definitely be honest and to the point. If you feel you have proven that you do great work, hopefully they will agree to what you set for pricing. Proving your worth puts more control into your hands. They want it? They pay the price for it...
        Yes, thank you. I'm realizing now that writing to him right away and telling him that I couldn't do another 20 at $1.00 and I'd be willing to come to a fair price. He hasn't written back and you may be right, he may not come back because he may find someone else who'll do it for $1.00 a page. I am going to stand my ground because I worked hard on the articles.

        Thank you
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          Originally Posted by glennda View Post

          Yes, thank you. I'm realizing now that writing to him right away and telling him that I couldn't do another 20 at $1.00 and I'd be willing to come to a fair price. He hasn't written back and you may be right, he may not come back because he may find someone else who'll do it for $1.00 a page. I am going to stand my ground because I worked hard on the articles.

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          Glennda, I'm glad you're standing your ground. I realize that you're new to this and may not know what to charge, but think of it in these terms. How long does it take you to rewrite a whole page? Now figure out how many pages you can rewrite in one hour - this is your hourly "wage", so if it seems unreasonably low (I'm betting that it is) then it is time to start charging more!

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          • Profile picture of the author smwordsmith
            Hi Brenda,

            Greetings from a fellow ghostwriter from Tiffany and Craig's GhostWritingCash program.

            Getting paid what your article value is worth is probably the most difficult part of this business. It is especially difficult when people are willing to write for $1 per article!

            But you and I both know the value of a well-written, well-researched article is $30. Now we need to teach conscientious internet marketers that five or ten $30 articles on their websites are worth every dollar.

            IM-ers can take these high-quality articles and spin them and not get garbage. The articles can be re-formatted for blog posts. They can be re-worked into special reports. They can even be resold as PLR because you, as a ghostwriter, gives the client total rights.

            Demand what you are worth. Smart marketers know the value of quality over quantity!
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            • Profile picture of the author glennda
              Originally Posted by smwordsmith View Post

              Hi Brenda,

              Greetings from a fellow ghostwriter from Tiffany and Craig's GhostWritingCash program.

              Getting paid what your article value is worth is probably the most difficult part of this business. It is especially difficult when people are willing to write for $1 per article!

              But you and I both know the value of a well-written, well-researched article is $30. Now we need to teach conscientious internet marketers that five or ten $30 articles on their websites are worth every dollar.

              IM-ers can take these high-quality articles and spin them and not get garbage. The articles can be re-formatted for blog posts. They can be re-worked into special reports. They can even be resold as PLR because you, as a ghostwriter, gives the client total rights.

              Demand what you are worth. Smart marketers know the value of quality over quantity!
              Hi

              I agree completely now that I have all this advise. After the $5.00 rewrites, he wanted to go back down to $3.00. I said no. So it wasn't really a re-searched article, it actually was content he wanted me to re-write. He gave me the Title he wanted, the keywords he wanted and the page he wanted me to look at.

              One day I'll focus on only ghost writing but for now, I'm going plr and re-writes.

              Thanks
              Brenda
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          • Profile picture of the author glennda
            Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

            Glennda, I'm glad you're standing your ground. I realize that you're new to this and may not know what to charge, but think of it in these terms. How long does it take you to rewrite a whole page? Now figure out how many pages you can rewrite in one hour - this is your hourly "wage", so if it seems unreasonably low (I'm betting that it is) then it is time to start charging more!

            Paul
            Yes, you are right Paul. It is very time consuming because I do write each sentence original. So it takes time to think about it, check my grammar,spelling and to make sure it flows nicely.

            I had no idea how much content is needed by everyone. On freelancer.com there are tons of people writing for $1.00 per page, I don't know how they do it.

            If I look at your suggestion, I can do about 3 articles an hour so that is what....so $15.00 an hour for now but I won't be able to always write 3 articles an hours...life happens :-) Good analogy though.
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Be honest with your customer.
      Thank them for the feedback and tell them that the $1 articles were a special offer
      and that you can't continue to produce them at that price. Be flattered that They
      asked you to do more. Maybe seeing that this person did help you help them that you
      can offer them a discount on the 20 they are requesting.

      Just a thought while traveling,
      Have a Great Day!
      Michael
      Hi Michael,

      I'm realizing now that it was a good deal for him and for me because I got the feedback. Also you are right, he did want me to do more work so his feedback must be honest. However, because I'm new at this I found it very time consuming. I wasn't sure if I should get paid the same amount as someone who has been doing this for months for example.

      Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Be honest with your customer.
      Thank them for the feedback and tell them that the $1 articles were a special offer
      and that you can't continue to produce them at that price. Be flattered that They
      asked you to do more. Maybe seeing that this person did help you help them that you
      can offer them a discount on the 20 they are requesting.

      Just a thought while traveling,
      Have a Great Day!
      Michael
      Hi Michael

      I ended up not doing the job for under $5.00 per 500 words. I started going to sites where I could bid and many times I lost the bid to a lower priced offer but that was ok.

      I realized after doing a few jobs that it wasn't my niche. I find it too shady.

      I am now working on my own site. I am a distributor for essential oils. I'm going to take a course shortly on aromatherapy and hands on rainbow treatments. Now this I can write about for hours :-)

      I was so impressed that so many people replied because I am fairly new and I felt acknowledged. It was very clear with everyone's reply that a lot of you were like "no" that is not a fair price and I listened.

      Have a Happy Easter
      Brenda
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    Originally Posted by glennda View Post

    Hi everyone,

    Today I get an email telling me that he'll pay me $20.00 in advance for another 20 articles. I truly don't feel I should get paid the same as someone writing from scratch like a ghostwriter, however, there is a lot of work involved researching the information then writing it in my own words.

    Brenda
    Brenda,
    For every request you get to write 20 articles for $20 I'm willing to bet you can find marketers in here that would easily pay double that amount or more without even trying to solicit a sale.

    Honestly, anything less then $100 for 20 articles is highway robbery and even at $5 an article it is still on the low, low end of the writing for profit scale.

    Keep in mind your writing ability is what determines how much you can charge. Other factors might include your reputation, turnaround time, article length and quantity of articles ordered.

    Respectfully,
    Tim
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by TimG View Post

      Brenda,
      For every request you get to write 20 articles for $20 I'm willing to bet you can find marketers in here that would easily pay double that amount or more without even trying to solicit a sale.

      Honestly, anything less then $100 for 20 articles is highway robbery and even at $5 an article it is still on the low, low end of the writing for profit scale.

      Keep in mind your writing ability is what determines how much you can charge. Other factors might include your reputation, turnaround time, article length and quantity of articles ordered.

      Respectfully,
      Tim
      Wow, that was very direct! Thank you Tim. Well, I'm gathering from everyone reply that I did the right thing. I need the money but not that bad. I wrote about 5 articles for different people in exchange for feedback on my site and they all gladly wrote. So I know I'm doing a good job and I know the turnaround time is very good because I'm currently on sick leave and all I'm doing is typing! With everyone's responses, I know what to do now.

      Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author glennda
    Thank you everyone for replying!

    I know without a doubt I did the right thing by asking for a raise.

    I followed through on my bid and I completed the job, so now I move on.

    Your all very kind to be so quick to reply.

    Have a nice weekend
    Brenda

    P.S. I'll let you know what he decides
    I just figured out how to put a smiley!
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    Hey Brenda - welcome to WF!

    $1 per page is way too low. And forget about experience. Some people write well right off the bat. It's quality that matters

    I feel like rewrites are even harder than original content, but the lowest you should go is $5 for rewrites - and that's only a # I toss out there for those who feel like it's easier.

    Tiff
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

      Hey Brenda - welcome to WF!

      $1 per page is way too low. And forget about experience. Some people write well right off the bat. It's quality that matters

      I feel like rewrites are even harder than original content, but the lowest you should go is $5 for rewrites - and that's only a # I toss out there for those who feel like it's easier.

      Tiff
      Hi Tiffany,

      I finally did as you suggested and introduced myself. You are so right, this place is full of people who are willing to help.

      I totally agree with everyone here and now including you that $5.00 is fair. I did find it hard actually but I finished the job on time. I made sure that he was happy with the first two articles before he sent the remaining 10.

      Thank you so much for all your help you are a true warrior!

      Brenda
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  • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
    Tiffany, I'd like to add my thanks also. You started a thread in 2009 I just found, and it has some great information in it:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...lat-broke.html

    It got moved to over to off-topic this afternoon. But I'm sure there are ways to monetize the ideas in that thread!

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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by Marvin Johnston View Post

      Tiffany, I'd like to add my thanks also. You started a thread in 2009 I just found, and it has some great information in it:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...lat-broke.html

      It got moved to over to off-topic this afternoon. But I'm sure there are ways to monetize the ideas in that thread!

      Marvin
      Hi Marvin,

      I'll go check that out now. Anything she writes, I jump at it because I love her style.

      Brenda
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      • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
        20 article rewrites will probably amounts to a day's work. If you are living in India or the far east, it is a reasonable wage. But in the US, what are you going to achieve with this money? It is effectively on par with envelope stuffing jobs which in the last century was so common. Do yourself a favour and don't sell yourself short.

        As an overall, there is not that much money to be made writing articles. For sure there are people who charge $25 per articles and have lots of customers but when there are people offering $5 articles, you are up against it. Honestly charging $1 for a rewrite sucks. I bet the buyer is delighted with the fish he has caught.
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        • Profile picture of the author glennda
          Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

          20 article rewrites will probably amounts to a day's work. If you are living in India or the far east, it is a reasonable wage. But in the US, what are you going to achieve with this money? It is effectively on par with envelope stuffing jobs which in the last century was so common. Do yourself a favour and don't sell yourself short.

          As an overall, there is not that much money to be made writing articles. For sure there are people who charge $25 per articles and have lots of customers but when there are people offering $5 articles, you are up against it. Honestly charging $1 for a rewrite sucks. I bet the buyer is delighted with the fish he has caught.
          Thank you for your opinion. That is why I wrote here so everyone can tell me their opinion. It was my first job and I now know better however, it was also to get feedback. When you honestly don't know, you learn from your mistakes. No harm really because I got the feedback, I got out of my comfort zone and I got paid. I was totally worried I'd write and not get paid.

          Appreciate all the advice
          Brenda
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        • Profile picture of the author glennda
          Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

          20 article rewrites will probably amounts to a day's work. If you are living in India or the far east, it is a reasonable wage. But in the US, what are you going to achieve with this money? It is effectively on par with envelope stuffing jobs which in the last century was so common. Do yourself a favour and don't sell yourself short.

          As an overall, there is not that much money to be made writing articles. For sure there are people who charge $25 per articles and have lots of customers but when there are people offering $5 articles, you are up against it. Honestly charging $1 for a rewrite sucks. I bet the buyer is delighted with the fish he has caught.
          Hi

          Looks like everyone is pretty much on the same page here. I was being out bid every time I bid $5.00 but that is ok. Like you said, there are people in the world who are willing to spend their time for $1.00

          It was very strongly suggested to me by just about everyone and I really did appreciate that because when you don't know, you don't know.

          Happy Easter
          Brenda
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  • Profile picture of the author Peggy Baron
    Welcome to the WF Glennda.

    You can do some research here and through the search engines and find out what other US writers are charging customers for rewrites. That will give you a good idea of where you should be.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Bean
    Tiffany Dow is one of few successful Internet marketer who gives, and gives for free just because she truly likes helping people... and expects nothing back in return.

    Sure, she's in this biz to make money but she's no pushy salesperson.

    I've read her blog, bought a few of her products and have subscribed to her newsletter for years.

    I remember sharing her pain when the big Squidoo slap came a few years back.

    I would also like to thank Tiffany for all her helpful advice and inspiration in my own online marketing journey.

    One classy lady, and you couldn't have a better mentor.

    Welcome to the Warrior Form glennda.
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by Dave Bean View Post

      Tiffany Dow is one of few successful Internet marketer who gives, and gives for free just because she truly likes helping people... and expects nothing back in return.

      Sure, she's in this biz to make money but she's no pushy salesperson.

      I've read her blog, bought a few of her products and have subscribed to her newsletter for years.

      I remember sharing her pain when the big Squidoo slap came a few years back.

      I would also like to thank Tiffany for all her helpful advice and inspiration in my own online marketing journey.

      One classy lady, and you couldn't have a better mentor.

      Welcome to the Warrior Form glennda.
      Originally Posted by Peggy Baron View Post

      Welcome to the WF Glennda.

      You can do some research here and through the search engines and find out what other US writers are charging customers for rewrites. That will give you a good idea of where you should be.

      Good luck!
      Peggy
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  • Profile picture of the author glennda
    This place is amazing, you were all correct!

    I wrote him back and said now that you know my work, it is worth at least $5.00 a page! He wrote back with $1.5 instead of $1.00 - I wrote back and said, I'm sorry, I can't continue working for you and I thanked him very much for the opportunity to work together.

    He wrote back and asked how many I could do a day and asked some other questions. I sent an email to Tiffany, making sure I knew what I was getting into and she confirmed in Tiffany's way to not give into his pressure, and that he knew $5.00 a page is a deal. She was right on target!

    From the bottom of my heart, thank you all for guiding me. Also, if anyone doesn't know Tiffany Dow and you are new here, look her up. Her products are top notch and you will not be disappointed. I can tell you this as true testimonial because I bought plr atm course, and ghostwriting course and I've bought lots of her plr for content on my own sites!! I will click on "thank you" to all because you were all so supportive!

    Have a nice day
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  • Profile picture of the author Terri LC
    Hi Glenda and welcome to the Warrior Forum from a fellow Canadian in Saskatchewan. I lived in T.O. for 12 years.

    I am so glad you are not following through with that order....there are ppl over at fiverr.com writing 1 article w unique content for $5 (400 words)

    It was actually Tiffany Dow that got me reacquainted with Squidoo, I heard she had a successful WSO here with her Squidoo Guide. That woman just gives and gives! I've been watching her videos, and I'm just so impressed with her willingness to share.

    There are so many ppl like that here too that I've met as well, but she is worth giving a "shout out" to.

    Take Care!
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by Terri LC View Post

      Hi Glenda and welcome to the Warrior Forum from a fellow Canadian in Saskatchewan. I lived in T.O. for 12 years.
      Hi Terry,

      I am so glad you are not following through with that order....there are ppl over at fiverr.com writing 1 article w unique content for $5 (400 words)


      It was actually Tiffany Dow that got me reacquainted with Squidoo, I heard she had a successful WSO here with her Squidoo Guide. That woman just gives and gives! I've been watching her videos, and I'm just so impressed with her willingness to share.

      There are so many ppl like that here too that I've met as well, but she is worth giving a "shout out" to.


      Take Care!
      Terri



      [QUOTE=Terri LC;3339112]Hi Glenda and welcome to the Warrior Forum from a fellow Canadian in Saskatchewan. I lived in T.O. for 12 years.
      Hi Terry,

      I live near Ottawa about 1 hour east. I've never been to T.O. or Saskatchewan however, I love Canada and will one day tour it from east to west. I love Canadians!

      I am so glad you are not following through with that order....there are ppl over at fiverr.com writing 1 article w unique content for $5 (400 words)

      Thank you. I've never gone to fiverr.com, I'll check it out.

      It was actually Tiffany Dow that got me reacquainted with Squidoo, I heard she had a successful WSO here with her Squidoo Guide. That woman just gives and gives! I've been watching her videos, and I'm just so impressed with her willingness to share.

      Me too! I am going to try and follow in her foot steps because I love how REAL she is. I started Squidoo, it's so easy to use.

      There are so many ppl like that here too that I've met as well, but she is worth giving a "shout out" to.

      Yes, I know and I agree. She recommended I join this place to and daily I like to check in and see what's happening. Thank you for the warm welcome, fellow Canadian.
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    you should be getting at least $5 per article
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