Thinking Of Writing An Ebook? Read This!!

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Hey guys,

If you have been thinking about creating your own digital product and have been toying with the idea of outsourcing it all, I’m going to give you a little tip that could save you a good few dollars.

So once you have the subject for your guide, sit down and brainstorm all of the different chapters that you will be including in it. Once you have all of the chapters brainstorm each chapter and come up with a list of the info each chapter will contain.

Then instead of posting it as a complete job for one single person to write the whole guide, simply outsource each chapter to article writers and have a separate article written for each.

Now instead of paying anywhere upwards of $100, you will be simply paying maybe $3 per article.

Hope this little idea helps some of you out,

Stephen.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnny_h
    appreciate the tip - good advice!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
    Honestly, at $3/article spread out over different outsourcers charging this rate, it sounds like you're going to wind up with a bunch of crap content that doesn't flow together into a coherent ebook.

    Personally, I'd rather spend a few extra dollars to have the whole thing written by one person than put in the hours of edits necessary to make a group of disparate articles work together

    (Not saying that this technique won't work - it's just worth keeping in mind that you're going to have to put some effort into making the content flow nicely!)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
      Originally Posted by Sarah Russell View Post

      Honestly, at $3/article spread out over different outsourcers charging this rate, it sounds like you're going to wind up with a bunch of crap content that doesn't flow together into a coherent ebook.

      Personally, I'd rather spend a few extra dollars to have the whole thing written by one person than put in the hours of edits necessary to make a group of disparate articles work together

      (Not saying that this technique won't work - it's just worth keeping in mind that you're going to have to put some effort into making the content flow nicely!)
      Yeah I agree, however some people may not have the cash to be able to pay for a one stop service, doing it this way would save them some cashe if they are on a very tight budget.

      Stephen.
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      • Profile picture of the author la dominatrix
        Originally Posted by Stephen Courtney View Post

        Yeah I agree, however some people may not have the cash to be able to pay for a one stop service, doing it this way would save them some cashe if they are on a very tight budget.

        Stephen.
        But what would they achieve an unsaleable product and have therefore wasted what little cash they have. I charge a $1,000 an ebook for a reason
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      I agree with Sarah. It might sound like a short cut, but using just one, capable writer will almost certainly result in a better product, IMO.

      Even if the individual article writers were all good, there'd be different styles and phrasing, potential duplication of information and quite possibly some contradictory source material to contend with.

      You'd end up with a massive editing and/or rewriting exercise.

      One way the OP's system might work would be if you were to position your ebook as a sort of compilation guide featuring a variety of authors. That would probably require less editing.


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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
    You could just use the same article writer for every article, then you are going to have the same style throughout.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulMark
    Once you locate a great writer stick with her or him. John maxwell's released 60 books because of having a great writing team.

    Sarah, love you're new services. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Stay Hungry
      Originally Posted by PaulMark View Post

      Once you locate a great writer stick with her or him. John maxwell's released 60 books because of having a great writing team.

      Sarah, love you're new services. Good luck!
      John Maxwell also has a fantastic speaking tour/sales process and established christain and MLM subscriber bases, all around an efficient operation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Good luck selling anything put together piecemeal like that. And if you do sell it because you come up with a slick sales page, good luck avoiding refunds. LOL

    This is exactly how NOT to go about putting your 1st ebook together.
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    • Profile picture of the author smwordsmith
      Something doesn't add up here... if you have a thirty page ebook, and 30 people writing a page each, which is about the length of an article, at $3 a page, you are spending $90. Not much of a savings from the $100 you mentioned in your OP. Unless you include a lot of white space and 36 font headers!

      I definitely agree with many of the replies- fragmented, incoherent content is worthless and you are going to be spending a lot of time with refunds.

      Pay for quality because it will pay in the end. Or, write your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    I have to agree with Frank and Sarah.

    This seems like a shortcut. And it can even seem like a good way to save a lot of money. But paying $3 for each article would likely result in some pretty bad content.

    Think of it this way...

    The idea behind writing a book isn't just to compile 50 pages of crap and sell as many as you can before the negative reviews start coming out and the refunds come in (sort of a churn and burn strategy).

    Instead, a product is designed to solve a customer's problem(s). And if it does a good job of solving a problem (which only works if the product is readable), then you have a happy customers.

    Happy customers are repeat customers. Happy customers write good reviews/testimonials, which in turn further boost sales. And happy customers tell their friends.


    In sum...

    I certainly understand the reason for going this route. I've had tighr budgets before. But I'd suggest that anyone who's considering doing this look at the big picture. You may just find a $3 writer who does a decent job, but it will take a LOT of time to uncover this gem of a writer. And it will still take a LOT of time to edit the articles to create a coherent ebook.

    That's the best case. Worst case is as stated above (poor writer = poor product = unhappy customers).

    Just want people who're considering this strategy to go in with their eyes wide open. It may be better to raise the money needed to hire a good ghostwriter. (Sell stuff on eBay or something -- whatever it takes so that you end up with a good writer and a good product.)

    Becky
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  • Profile picture of the author Peggy Baron
    I did this once in the past for a longish report rather than an ebook and it worked great.
    • I did use the same writer for consistency.
    • I asked for more words knowing that some of the first and last paragraph fluff in each article would end up on the cutting room floor.
    • I wrote my own introduction and conclusion to the report.
    Peggy
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  • Profile picture of the author AdmiralGloom
    If they were to find out, it would be insulting.

    I just don't know why you would want all different article writers...Not having consistency is quite obvious.

    Oh, I wrote this new speech everyone...

    "I....have a dream..."
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  • Profile picture of the author inplainview
    In my opinion, if you do not have the money to pay one reliable writer, then you should wait and look for other venues to make some money and not by selling a digital product that doesn’t make much sense.

    This is not like a puzzle game; you'll end up spending a lot of time trying to patch the product. You could spend that time much better by building a site or something else that is more straightforward.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
    I don't know why everyone is saying lots of writers, you can use the same writer. The point I'm trying to make is that by merely splitting it up into articles rather then having one whole project can work out cheaper.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
      Originally Posted by Stephen Courtney View Post

      I don't know why everyone is saying lots of writers, you can use the same writer. The point I'm trying to make is that by merely splitting it up into articles rather then having one whole project can work out cheaper.
      Even so, the way articles are written is so different from a full report. Articles exist as single, complete thoughts with intros and conclusions, whereas a full report needs to flow from section to section for continuity's sake.

      I'm not saying it can't be done (with the right writer, it absolutely could), but at $3/article (heck, even $5-7/article is pushing it), it's pretty unlikely.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by Stephen Courtney View Post

      I don't know why everyone is saying lots of writers, you can use the same writer. The point I'm trying to make is that by merely splitting it up into articles rather then having one whole project can work out cheaper.
      Because you brought up lots of writers. Your point was made and understood - whether it's one writer or many. But we're not going to sugar-coat our responses. That's not fair to everyone else who might think your idea is without flaws.

      There's not really anything wrong with outsourcing an ebook's creation if you're not a good writer. But you better know the subject yourself or you'll be left without a leg to stand on when the questions come in. I guess you could always ask someone who is more of an expert, but what a PITA that would be for your customers to have to wait around for you to get your answer so you can answer them.
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  • Profile picture of the author CYBERWISE
    yes i agree with sarah and frank,it is good to get the job done by one person or else you will end up confusing yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Dolan
    To add an extra dimension search the Warrior Forums for what niches are hot, and you know what ebooks to write about ...

    online gaming guides for example
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    I know it sounds like a great idea if you're just thinking of trying to get x amount of words to fill a book.

    But writing a good article and writing a good chapter are not the same thing.

    For the book to have a sense of cohesion one chapter needs to build on the next.
    Chapter one: Why start an internet business.
    Chapter two - eleven: Step by step directions to take your business from beginning to full-time income.
    Chapter twelve: Where to go from here - Summing it all up..

    Okay, not a great example, but you get the idea. To keep people reading, the book needs to lead them somewhere. To an ultimate goal.

    This is why a lot of non-fiction writers read fiction. Though the writing is different, there's still a lot to be learned by the people who write page-turners.

    However, you could put together a group of interviews and sell it as such: "Learn What These Ten Internet Marketer's Claim to be the Secret of their Success".

    Then no one would expect it to flow like a book.

    Just my thoughts.....rose
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Wouldn't it just be quicker (and cheaper) to buy a PLR book on the topic and sell that?


      Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author Coby
    Another option, for the cash-strapped is to use PLR articles and EZA (for inspiration, not copying!) and bundle them into an ebook that way. Probably just as much work as having several writers write it and bundle yourself, but probably quite a bit cheaper.

    If you have a good plr article pack of say 10 articles plus you use EZA to research a few more articles for filler you could easily package up an ebook and it might flow much better since you will be doing most of the writing.

    Just an idea. I personally like to either outsource the whole project or do it all myself. I have used plr articles for a jumping point for ebooks in the past though.

    Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author entry
    Originally Posted by Stephen Courtney View Post

    Hey guys,

    If you have been thinking about creating your own digital product and have been toying with the idea of outsourcing it all, I'm going to give you a little tip that could save you a good few dollars.

    So once you have the subject for your guide, sit down and brainstorm all of the different chapters that you will be including in it. Once you have all of the chapters brainstorm each chapter and come up with a list of the info each chapter will contain.

    Then instead of posting it as a complete job for one single person to write the whole guide, simply outsource each chapter to article writers and have a separate article written for each.

    Now instead of paying anywhere upwards of $100, you will be simply paying maybe $3 per article.

    Hope this little idea helps some of you out,

    Stephen.
    Isnt it better to have 1 consistant style from 1 writer?

    The style of the writing, from a bunch of different writers will be different.

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  • Profile picture of the author suemax
    Originally Posted by Stephen Courtney View Post

    Hey guys,

    If you have been thinking about creating your own digital product and have been toying with the idea of outsourcing it all, I'm going to give you a little tip that could save you a good few dollars.

    So once you have the subject for your guide, sit down and brainstorm all of the different chapters that you will be including in it. Once you have all of the chapters brainstorm each chapter and come up with a list of the info each chapter will contain.

    Then instead of posting it as a complete job for one single person to write the whole guide, simply outsource each chapter to article writers and have a separate article written for each.

    Now instead of paying anywhere upwards of $100, you will be simply paying maybe $3 per article.

    Hope this little idea helps some of you out,

    Stephen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
    Originally Posted by Stephen Courtney View Post

    Hey guys,

    If you have been thinking about creating your own digital product and have been toying with the idea of outsourcing it all, I’m going to give you a little tip that could save you a good few dollars.

    So once you have the subject for your guide, sit down and brainstorm all of the different chapters that you will be including in it. Once you have all of the chapters brainstorm each chapter and come up with a list of the info each chapter will contain.

    Then instead of posting it as a complete job for one single person to write the whole guide, simply outsource each chapter to article writers and have a separate article written for each.

    Now instead of paying anywhere upwards of $100, you will be simply paying maybe $3 per article.

    Hope this little idea helps some of you out,

    Stephen.
    there is something called flow and there is another lil something called writing style.

    in any writing piece there are different levels of communication, if you put together an ebook with this method you will create a mismatched mess, and it will affect the image the clients have from you even when they canĀ“t figure out what it is.

    but... to each its own...
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    So once you have the subject for your guide, sit down and brainstorm all of the different chapters that you will be including in it. Once you have all of the chapters brainstorm each chapter and come up with a list of the info each chapter will contain.
    If I have done all that I have completed 90% of the writing. I might as well finish it myself. I know everyone composes/writes differently. When I write what you just described is what I spend the most time doing. Once I have done all that brainstorming the rest comes very quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    I agree completely with those who are saying to have the whole ebook written as a complete work, as opposed to individual incongruent articles.

    However - there is a way to produce a certain type of ebook by using random, disassociated articles. That would be to have a collection of "tips", such as, 101 tips on how to train your dog" or other collection of individual tips.
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  • Profile picture of the author LisaSimpkins
    Thank you for sharing this valuable info.I just recently made my first eBook and wish I would have had this info.then.Much appreciated!
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    • Profile picture of the author safehomes
      I really appreciate the info about this thread. It has helped me understand the ebook process better. Thank!
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  • Profile picture of the author ashSimpson87
    Yeah I agree! There a lot of gig there offering services as a freelancer. But it would take days just to finish them.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I use this technique myself some times (I pay a lot more than $3 an article though) and it does work, however the thing is that you need to be prepared to do a lot of editing and some writing yourself in order to get the book to flow properly.

    I personally don't mind doing this, in fact I prefer to because then i can put my own personality inside the book.

    However, one thing to be cautious of (and especially with the lower priced writers) is that you might end up with a lot of repetitive information in each article which could cause you to have to scrap a lot of the articles.

    There is some general information on any given topic that a writer might put into many of their articles in order to make the article more informative not realizing that the article is intended to go into a book that already has that general information.

    Bottom line is that when it comes to putting out good content be it a book, an article or whatever, there really arent any shortcuts.

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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    I've done this not only to make it less expensive, but to actually make a better product.

    For instance, if you write a book about reducing stress, one chapter may be on meditation, another on yoga, another on diet, etc...

    You can often find experts that have experience and can write on the freelance sites - instead of a writer scraping the web for the same old info you can actually get more unique content by outsourcing your ebook in chunks.

    We write most of our books ourselves, but do outsource for certain markets and certain products - there are other methods of obtaining content as well.

    Jeff
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Sorry, but have to agree with Sarah too.

      This sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practice, you've got to deal with lots of admin and juggling, plus you'll get a book that switches styles so abruptly, your readers will just switch off... or refund.

      I really wish fellow marketers would get out of this money for nothing attitude. It's killing the industry, and other industries (like writing for example) too.

      If you want quality, pay for it. Don't cut corners, because it WILL bite you in the asse sooner thank you think.


      Originally Posted by Sarah Russell View Post

      Honestly, at $3/article spread out over different outsourcers charging this rate, it sounds like you're going to wind up with a bunch of crap content that doesn't flow together into a coherent ebook.

      Personally, I'd rather spend a few extra dollars to have the whole thing written by one person than put in the hours of edits necessary to make a group of disparate articles work together

      (Not saying that this technique won't work - it's just worth keeping in mind that you're going to have to put some effort into making the content flow nicely!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I think Becky and others have said what I really wanted to say here.

    Do NOT think that paying a few dollars an article to build an info product is going to get you great results.

    I've paid $1000 and still not got results I could put my name behind.

    I tried doing it chapter by chapter before - paid $600 and ended up rewriting the entire thing myself.

    Yes outsource if you can't write - but do NOT try to do it on the cheap - you get what you pay for and if you're trying to build your business - wait until you can afford to pay to get it done properly or you'll be wasting your money and possibly harming your business.

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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I think Becky and others have said what I really wanted to say here.

      Do NOT think that paying a few dollars an article to build an info product is going to get you great results.

      I've paid $1000 and still not got results I could put my name behind.

      I tried doing it chapter by chapter before - paid $600 and ended up rewriting the entire thing myself.

      Yes outsource if you can't write - but do NOT try to do it on the cheap - you get what you pay for and if you're trying to build your business - wait until you can afford to pay to get it done properly or you'll be wasting your money and possibly harming your business.

      Andy
      Exactly Andy. I too have spent well over $1000 on ghostwriting, and the product was "average" at best.

      So how anyone can expect to get real results by outsourcing to multiple CHEAP writers, is beyond me.

      Not only is it a time suck, but it's a false economy.
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      • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
        Have to disagree guys - I have paid as little as $50 and had a terrific chapter written for a book, well researched, backed by experience, and well written.

        The real rip-off artists in my mind are the vat of mindless ghostwriters who charge 1000's to do nothing more than scrape the web and put together fluffly crap that isn't worth anywhere near the amount they charge.

        A good part of the quality you get from outsource sites can be controlled by looking at their rating and past work. I always, always, always take a careful look at multiple past projects and yes, 7 or 8 of 10 can usually be dismissed immediately based on that criteria alone.

        But if you know what you are looking for and are good at listing your requirements AND are careful in looking at their body of work, you can often do better than getting a high-priced, generalist ghostwriter.

        Jeff
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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by jbsmith View Post

          Have to disagree guys - I have paid as little as $50 and had a terrific chapter written for a book, well researched, backed by experience, and well written.

          The real rip-off artists in my mind are the vat of mindless ghostwriters who charge 1000's to do nothing more than scrape the web and put together fluffly crap that isn't worth anywhere near the amount they charge.

          A good part of the quality you get from outsource sites can be controlled by looking at their rating and past work. I always, always, always take a careful look at multiple past projects and yes, 7 or 8 of 10 can usually be dismissed immediately based on that criteria alone.

          But if you know what you are looking for and are good at listing your requirements AND are careful in looking at their body of work, you can often do better than getting a high-priced, generalist ghostwriter.

          Jeff

          Fair enough Jeff - I also have paid low amounts and got good content - but the point here is about outsourcing to lots of sources. I think anyone would be hard pressed to find several excellent writers first time around and be able to use all of their work for an excellent product.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Originally Posted by Stephen Courtney View Post


    Now instead of paying anywhere upwards of $100, you will be simply paying maybe $3 per article.

    Stephen.
    If you're a marketer and think that $100 for complete product creation is too much, and you need to haggle and get so called "articles" for $3 a pop...i think you should stop marketing.

    The same is valid for people who think that spending $150 for a complete web site from scratch is already too much. Or those ****ards on fiverr who want complete books (30+ pages) written for $5.

    Looking at the thread..it looks like someone is wanting to create/market a product which SUPPOSEDLY should generate some income in the long term.

    So you think its a good idea to go with the cheapest, low quality crap to get "some" product since you are not even willing to spend $100?

    You don't see anything wrong here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Salisfelix
    @poster,
    its not a bad idea but i think articles from different sources can ruin the book.
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