I hear bad things about clickbank. What is a good alternative?

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I hear very bad things about clickbank... what is a good alternative to this network?

Is CJ any good?

which one is the most reputable and known not to cheat their affiliates?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Still Clickbank...

    Why?

    because what you heard is all about some clickbank products and not clickbank itself.....

    ..and there are more good clickbank products too... so your alternative is still clickbank....
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    • Profile picture of the author GlobalTrader
      Although Clickbank revenue is a secondary stream for us, we have had various theme related products advertised on our website for 5,6, 7 years (not sure how long) and CB has always sent checks to us on time.

      CJ, unfortunately for us, has not been a good program.

      I would venture a guess that most of the negative comments you have read are by people who have not thoroughly read CB's policies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel J
    I agree with what has been said already. Nothing wrong with clickbank- it's the fact that the product creators can put a crappy product on there. There is plenty of good stuff on clickbank though. If you need an alternative though, check out ejunkie or paydotcom. There are also plenty of affiliate networks that focus on physical products like Amazon, commission junction, linkshare etc. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author rmoore
      Clickbank is a great company.

      Honestly...I have no idea where the bad press comes from.
      • As an affiliate I have been paid on time...every time.
      • As a vendor, I have a place where I can sell a product...they take care of returns, pay the affiliates, pay me. They do direct deposit to my bank, so I can have access to my money even while on vacation.

      The key with Clickbank is to just promote the good products.

      There are good and bad products. Simply just pick out the helpful and valuable products on Clickbank. I recommend using the product or at least reviewing it, before promoting it.

      Also: You will hear people who talk about "conspircay theories" that commissions are getting stolen, etc.

      I've never experienced any of this and I've make a full-time income for close to 3 years now & a large part of it is from CB.

      Just my 2 cents!

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  • Profile picture of the author LawrenceTam
    for digital products go with paydotcom

    for physical goods cj, amazon, and i hear even ebay stuff is doing well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      I don't believe that Clickbank cheats its affiliates.

      I do understand why some people do believe that. My opinion is that Clickbank's affiliate tracking is less than 100% reliable and that some affiliates do sometimes lose some commissions for that reason (and that this is quite possibly true of other sites as well), and that that money is going to vendors rather than to Clickbank.

      I think it's easy for people to surmise (wrongly, in my opinion) that because Clickbank's "customer service" and "complaints response" are particularly unhelpful and uncooperative and apparently informed and directed by an underlying starting-point that "nothing is ever our fault", they're trying to steal from their affiliates, but I don't think they really are at all. I respect that some people do think that, and I see why (at least to some extent), but I think all those people are mistaken.

      Vendors who offer 75% commission at Clickbank will often admit (I've seen this here, many times) that doing so doesn't really cost them 75% of their affiliate sales, perhaps more like 60% overall, because there's always a percentage (hopefully a small percentage) on which the affiliate commission isn't accredited. The vendors are getting that money, and sometimes openly admitting it.

      It's very easy indeed to see where Clickbank's "bad press" comes from: their attitude and behavior. If they had a direct competitor, reliably offering exactly the same service that they offer, they wouldn't last a year.

      However, I make my living mostly as a Clickbank affiliate (through article marketing and affiliate sites) and a very good living it is, too, and I wouldn't continue with it if I thought they were stealing from me.

      For me, Clickbank (with all its drawbacks) is better than "those other affiliate networks". I'm just saying.
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      • Profile picture of the author wanna-succeed
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I don't believe that Clickbank cheats its affiliates.

        I do understand why some people do believe that. My opinion is that Clickbank's affiliate tracking is less than 100% reliable and that some affiliates do sometimes lose some commissions for that reason (and that this is quite possibly true of other sites as well), and that that money is going to vendors rather than to Clickbank.

        I think it's easy for people to surmise (wrongly, in my opinion) that because Clickbank's "customer service" and "complaints response" are particularly unhelpful and uncooperative and apparently informed and directed by an underlying starting-point that "nothing is ever our fault", they're trying to steal from their affiliates, but I don't think they really are at all. I respect that some people do think that, and I see why (at least to some extent), but I think all those people are mistaken.

        Vendors who offer 75% commission at Clickbank will often admit (I've seen this here, many times) that doing so doesn't really cost them 75% of their affiliate sales, perhaps more like 60% overall, because there's always a percentage (hopefully a small percentage) on which the affiliate commission isn't accredited. The vendors are getting that money, and sometimes openly admitting it.

        It's very easy indeed to see where Clickbank's "bad press" comes from: their attitude and behavior. If they had a direct competitor, reliably offering exactly the same service that they offer, they wouldn't last a year.

        However, I make my living mostly as a Clickbank affiliate (through article marketing and affiliate sites) and a very good living it is, too, and I wouldn't continue with it if I thought they were stealing from me.

        For me, Clickbank (with all its drawbacks) is better than "those other affiliate networks". I'm just saying.

        Before I saw who posted this, I knew I liked the post and I was going to quote it and ask more questions. I guess it isn't really a surprise to see the post come from you...
        Anyway, I was wondering how I might be able to check this stuff out?
        I have heard all sorts of nasty stories about CB dropping affiliate links, stealing commissions etc...
        How would I know if something like this happened to me?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by wanna-succeed View Post

          I have heard all sorts of nasty stories about CB dropping affiliate links, stealing commissions etc...
          Can only give my own opinion (as above).

          That said, I believe nobody can plausibly or sensibly question that Clickbank's cookie system of affiliate tracking is less than 100% reliable. Even they have admited it, on occasion (and they generally admit nothing!).

          Some anti-spyware software that people run on computers interferes with Clickbank's affiliate cookies. (They have admitted this happens "occasionally"; some people feel the word "occasionally" is open to interpretation). That may be a failing of "cookie-based systems" (as opposed to IP-tracking systems, for example) rather than "a Clickbank failing", though.

          Originally Posted by wanna-succeed View Post

          How would I know if something like this happened to me?
          The short answer is that most of the time, you can't, and it isn't worth worrying about.

          It is also true that a lot of people talk a lot of nonsense about Clickbank, and that it's terribly easy to imagine something's wrong when it isn't.

          However
          , there have also been some very clearcut instances. I'll give you just one example, of one of my clients, a year or so ago. He had a steady succession of around 12 sales per day for a very long time. Swingy and variable, as these things are, but averaging 12/13 sales per day over a long time, and never dropping below 6 sales per day on his worst day. Then suddenly nothing. Zero sales. For day after day after day after day, for no apparent reason. Clickbank, when he eventually managed to discuss it with them (i.e. the third time he tried!), attributed it to "seasonal variation" and "an unlucky few days" and all the other nonsense they talk. I advised him to open a new, separate affiliate account and change all his hoplinks accordingly (this isn't at all easy to do, and is a real pain in the neck!). He did this, and immediately started getting 12/13 sales per day again.

          The problem with that story (and there are others like it, some of them recounted in this forum) is that it isn't proof of anything. It satisfies me, and it will satisfy at least 90% of people reading it, that something was seriously amiss inside Clickbank at that time, but it isn't proof.

          These things can happen.

          I know several large-scale, highly successful affiliates (one of whom may post here shortly if he sees the thread) who have their system prepared for this, have different accounts set up, are well prepared to change their hoplinks at the first sign of trouble, and so on. Most people don't, of course.

          But bear in mind, too, that these are (genuinely) comparatively rare occurrences, and that most of the time you see people whingeing about their falling sales at Clickbank, there is a simple and innocent explanation for it, and the numbers are nothing like the ones in the example I've given above.

          "Things like this" are yet another reason (as if anybody needed one!) why it's such a huge mistake to use these silly services like tinyurl and bit.ly to conceal your hoplinks rather than a domain-name you own and control yourself (or equivalent system). You never know when you'll suddenly need to change the forwarding from your article resource-boxes, for example, and when you have copies of your articles on other people's sites, you have to have a way of doing that doesn't rely on editing the articles at their place of publication! And the same when tinyurl or bit.ly disappears overnight taking all your links with it (yes, it has happened!) because you've allowed your business to become dependent on a completely unnecessary third-party service!
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  • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
    Originally Posted by co-creator View Post


    which one is the most reputable and known not to cheat their affiliates?
    Clickbank IS still one of the most reputable networks. I've been with them for years and they've never missed a single payment.

    I've heard some bad stuff about CJ but I've yet to have a bad experience with them myself. Although to be honest CJ only makes up a very tiny percentage of my total income.

    Shareasale, Amazon and Markethealth are good for physical products, but you can't beat Clickbank for digital. Some people will recommend Paydotcom but I don't like them much myself (I've had vendors not pay me).
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  • Profile picture of the author BeachDude
    CPA marketing FTW. (Clickbooth, Copeac, Neverblue, & Epic Direct) Join Them.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesZakaria
    Clickbank itself seems reliable - I got my first cheque. Many if not most of the information products sold there are of the lowest quality.

    You just have to pick and choose the best of the best products. Amazon has a good affiliate program. Check out Dan Brocks' Deadbeat Affilate product for more information.
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  • Profile picture of the author co-creator
    Thanks.

    I guess I just bought into the whole idea that clickbank is stealing from their affiliates...

    I really appreciate your feedback!
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    • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
      Nothing wrong with clickbank, i get payments both as an affiliate and a publisher week in week out.

      Do choose you products wisely though, I've seen some in the past with links on the sales page to paypal (one had all the images pointing at a paypal checkout) as well as clickbank.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    Paydotcom is a viable alternative but has nowhere near as many products as Clickbank. I would check out some independent instant payout affiliate products as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    There are new networks coming up like digiresults, rapbank, plimus and ejunkie. You can find dozens of low priced products there which have good commission percentages (with a lot of products giving you 100% commissions).
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketItAll
    Well I think the keyword is that you have "heard" bad things about Clickbank. Not everything you hear is always true, I have made tons of money with Clickbank and highly recommend using it as an affiliate marketing network. They have tons of popular high volume, high selling, high profit products that you can take advantage of, don't look passed them just because you have heard bad things - just my opinion.
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