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hello warrior

im thinking of doing article marketing and i have some questions hoping that the people who are pros at article marketing can help me.


if i were to submit an article to ezine, can i submit the same one to article base or other article directories

i guess my question is besides ezine articles how many times more can i submit the same article to other directories and what some of the article directories are?

can the duplication be 100% or if it cannot be 100% what is the percentage of the duplication allowed?


i have searched this forum for threads about article marketing but i still have questions about it.
im hoping to get some solid answers from people that do this everyday.

your reply is greatly appreciated.

thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    Yes you can submit the same exact articles unchanged to EZA and almost all directories. In fact what I do is first submit articles to targeted individual ezine publishers first and then to the biggie directories such as EZA and articlebase. There may be some (very few) directories that demand original content, however, which will be in their TOS. Articles tend be indexed much faster by posting on your website then submitting them to targeted ezine publishers.
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  • Profile picture of the author suemax
    Originally Posted by johnbmw View Post

    hello warrior

    im thinking of doing article marketing and i have some questions hoping that the people who are pros at article marketing can help me.


    if i were to submit an article to ezine, can i submit the same one to article base or other article directories

    i guess my question is besides ezine articles how many times more can i submit the same article to other directories and what some of the article directories are?

    can the duplication be 100% or if it cannot be 100% what is the percentage of the duplication allowed?


    i have searched this forum for threads about article marketing but i still have questions about it.
    im hoping to get some solid answers from people that do this everyday.

    your reply is greatly appreciated.

    thank you
    I think the best answer would be to split the question you ask into two elements. Your articles are presumably part of a strategy for both links and clicks. The links will be fine, presumably, but duplicate content will result in your ranking slipping a little and you won't get as many clicks as if the articles are different.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by suemax View Post

      I think the best answer would be to split the question you ask into two elements. Your articles are presumably part of a strategy for both links and clicks. The links will be fine, presumably, but duplicate content will result in your ranking slipping a little and you won't get as many clicks as if the articles are different.
      This is a very common misconception. Duplicate content does not negatively impact ranking at all. Most of my articles are syndicated unchanged over hundreds of websites with no such problem. Other experienced writers also have attested to the same with poignant dismissal in several threads discussing this issue ad nauseum.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        This is a very common misconception. Duplicate content does not negatively impact ranking at all. Most of my articles are syndicated unchanged over hundreds of websites with no such problem. Other experienced writers also have attested to the same in several threads discussing this issue ad nauseum.
        Yes, a complete (albeit very popular) misconception.

        Nothing else to add here. Just replying to reinforce your comments, in the (perhaps vain) hope they'll be given more weight that way - because it's absolutely true.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        This is a very common misconception. Duplicate content does not negatively impact ranking at all. Most of my articles are syndicated unchanged over hundreds of websites with no such problem. Other experienced writers also have attested to the same with poignant dismissal in several threads discussing this issue ad nauseum.

        I agree 100%.

        Frequently however, those who "spin" the truth get more traction in the minds of people who are buying their "article spinning" software. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author wcmylife
    There are 200+ article submission websites....would be pretty hard writing fresh content for all of them...lets say if you are targeting 50 of those sites, i would suggest, submit the content to 10, spin and submit to another 10, repeat...repeat....done.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by wcmylife View Post

      There are 200+ article submission websites....would be pretty hard writing fresh content for all of them...lets say if you are targeting 50 of those sites, i would suggest, submit the content to 10, spin and submit to another 10, repeat...repeat....done.
      You work waaaaaay too hard. Take it easy.
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      Originally Posted by wcmylife View Post

      There are 200+ article submission websites....would be pretty hard writing fresh content for all of them...lets say if you are targeting 50 of those sites, i would suggest, submit the content to 10, spin and submit to another 10, repeat...repeat....done.
      There are thousands of article submission websites though many become inactive after a while.

      You can submit to as many websites as you wish with your articles unaltered but make sure that your articles get indexed on your own website first. Most people then submit to ezinearticles.com and then once accepted they may or may not choose to submit to more directories. No need to change anything, but I do change the title round a bit for my own reference and the author bio may get changed.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnbmw
    Great
    thanks all for your help

    but what article directories are worth submitting articles to, im sure some of the directories dont get as much traffic as others.

    what are the top 10 or 20?
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      Originally Posted by johnbmw View Post

      Great
      thanks all for your help

      but what article directories are worth submitting articles to, im sure some of the directories dont get as much traffic as others.

      what are the top 10 or 20?
      I'm sure that if you do a google search you will find several top directory lists, but another good search is the directories that rank the highest for your keywords and niche directories.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by johnbmw View Post

      Great
      thanks all for your help

      but what article directories are worth submitting articles to, im sure some of the directories dont get as much traffic as others.

      what are the top 10 or 20?
      John,

      There's no such thing as the definitive "best" directories. What is best for you depends entirely on your needs.

      If you're trying to rank your articles in the search-engines, on an article directory, which is best depends on which provides your articles with the best ranking with least backlinking effort, I guess. And which that is depends on many factors, and won't be the same for everyone. That said, general consensus seems to have it that EzineArticles and ArticlesBase are the best and most effective, overall, for this purpose.

      The above isn't really an optimal approach, though, it has to be said: you're far better of ranking them on your own sites, so you don't lose readers to advertisements and other distractions on that article directory, and force them through an additional and completely unnecessary step, just to get them to your site. "Go direct" whenever possible, is what I'm saying. :p

      If you're interested in the widespread syndication of your articles across other sites (for additional, higher-quality backlinks and potentially pre-targetted traffic), EzineArticles seems to facilitate this more effectively and predictably than most of the other well-known, non-niche-specific article directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
    Yes - you can submit your content to other article directories. There are a few directories though that only accept unique content that has not been published anywhere else (Buzzle and InfoBarrel are the top two I know of).

    In my honest opinion, stick to a few directories and distribute them accordingly. Most importantly, don't forget to place those articles that you want to submit to Ezine Articles on YOUR site first, wait until it's indexed and then place it on Ezine. This way, you're website is credited with the original article.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheCG
      Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

      Most importantly, don't forget to place those articles that you want to submit to Ezine Articles on YOUR site first, wait until it's indexed and then place it on Ezine. This way, you're website is credited with the original article.
      I hear this over and over but if Google really doesn't have a duplicate content penalty, what does it matter where it is indexed first?

      Just trying to understand.......
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      • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
        Originally Posted by TheCG View Post

        I hear this over and over but if Google really doesn't have a duplicate content penalty, what does it matter where it is indexed first?

        Just trying to understand.......
        Because you want your site to rank the highest not somebody elses.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheCG
          Originally Posted by PatriciaJ View Post

          Because you want your site to rank the highest not somebody elses.
          So the one that posts it first will rank highest? Really?
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by TheCG View Post

            So the one that posts it first will rank highest? Really?
            It seems there is much misconception here. Posting on your website and waiting for it to index shows you have first publication among other advantages.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

            Yes - you can submit your content to other article directories. There are a few directories though that only accept unique content that has not been published anywhere else
            I know of only one: Buzzle.

            Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

            (Buzzle and InfoBarrel are the top two I know of).
            InfoBarrel is not by any stretch of the imagination an "article directory".

            Originally Posted by TheCG View Post

            So the one that posts it first will rank highest? Really?
            No; I'm afraid it's not as simple as that, at all. It's actually quite a big and complicated subject.

            But to give a very brief answer which is completely accurate and not misleading in any way: if you always post all articles on your own site first and have them indexed there before submitting anywhere else, then in the long run your own site will end up getting a huge SEO advantage which you'd lose by not having done that. There'll still be times (especially at the start) that you do that and the EZA copy still outranks your own copy, but that's temporary and will gradually happen less and less, and more and more briefly, and after a little while it'll be really easy for you to outrank any article directory you also use for your material. And that means money.

            Don't be put off by people you see talking about such nonsense as building backlinks to directory articles because they rank better than their own sites (surprise surprise!). This is insane. These are people who've shot themselves in the foot so many times that they've ended up with sites that can't even outrank a non-context-relevant, PR-0 article directory page as a result. It's all very unnecessary and very silly.
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            • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              InfoBarrel is not by any stretch of the imagination an "article directory".
              Well, I guess what I was trying to say, more or less, is that even though they ARE different from other "directories" out there, they still require unique content, incase the OP gets mislead down the wrong path. I've seen far too many people here suggest distributing already published articles to IB.

              Just trying to steer him in the right direction
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  • Q: Can I submit the same exact copy of my article to multiple article directories.
    A: Yes.
    Q: Why?
    A: You own full rights to your content. You choose where to republish and syndicate it.

    Q: What about the duplicate content penalty?
    A: What about the duplicate content penalty?
    Q: Google's duplicate content penalty?
    A: How can Google's duplicate content penalty be relevant to what you're asking if
    you don't publish the same exact copy of your article on one of your websites multiple times?
    Q: Won't I get sandboxed or something if I submitted the same exact copy of my article to
    10 or 20 or 30 or so article directories?
    A: Then you can use that method against your competitors if that were true?

    Q: Why do I need to publish my article on my website first, have it indexed then
    submit it to various article directories?
    A: Do you want your Web properties to rank high on SEs for your target keywords, or
    your marketing materials?

    Q: Why would publishing it on my website first have that copy ranking higher in most cases for
    my target keywords than copies of it on article directories with higher domain authority due to
    greater volume and quality of backlinks, homepage Google PR and longer domain age?
    A: Have you heard the Jan 2011 Google SE algorithm modification?
    Q: No. What does it do?
    A: Google now aims to give more credit to original content sources than
    syndicated, resyndicated, republished and repurposed copies of the original content.

    Q: Would spinning my article be a good method?
    A: If done properly: Yes.
    Q: Why?
    A: You can submit the same exact version, each version, to multiple
    article directories,
    each version under one author name. So, if you get 50 unique, human readable versions out of
    your spin-ready article, then you can submit each version to 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 or or or
    article directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Hall
    correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a bit more effective to spend your time creating the best, unique, in demand content possible rather then submitting the same article to a thousand different directories?

    Some people say the more you have out there the better (which i'm sure is true in a lot of cases) but I've seen pretty nice results from superior content that is as specific to the the theme of my site as possible (also being categorized on your site as accurately as possible) then submitting the material to just a couple of directories (ezine included)
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Justin Hall View Post

      correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a bit more effective to spend your time creating the best, unique, in demand content possible rather then submitting the same article to a thousand different directories?
      For me it is, yes.

      But it depends.

      Some people want 1,000 backlinks, and some don't appreciate that when they submit to 1,000 article directories, what they're actually going to get is 300 (if that) temporary, non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks, and that they'll need many thousands of those to give the same link-juice as one context-relevant, higher-PR blog comment backlink. And some have read that a dozen times and still don't believe it.

      Originally Posted by Justin Hall View Post

      Some people say the more you have out there the better
      There will always be marketers who like a quantity-based approach. A quantity-based approach to article marketing, to articles in general and to backlinks, too. I'm just happy that they're my competitors.

      One thing's for sure: when people switch from a quantity-based approach to a quality-based approach, they don't switch back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    i learned a lot in this thread. Article marketing is something everyone should consider learning. I will also try to promote the same article to different article directories if possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    I would submit to a few high traffic article directories, and some other sites where you can submit content, etc. For example, there are news/gossip sites that rank very well in the search engines where you can start your own blog and write whatever you want, best to not make it too salesly and more "bloggy" heh heh, though.
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