How to start IM with 100k cash to invest.

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  • Profile picture of the author abs007
    Hi Daniel

    many of us start of with little to no capital - however it then takes many of us a long time before we are able to earn $6-10k a month - but this is certainly possible in the first year -

    for yourself you have capital to invest - so why start of from ground up - I would personally go to flippa.com and look at some websites for sale

    you can buy sites that will start making your money back from the moment it gets transfered to you
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
      Thank you for the Reply ABS.

      What kind of sites should I go for ? I can´t imagine anyone qould sell a site that acctually makes good money.?

      Can you maybe show me an example that you personaly would buy ?

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

        Thank you for the Reply ABS.

        What kind of sites should I go for ? I can´t imagine anyone qould sell a site that acctually makes good money.?

        Can you maybe show me an example that you personaly would buy ?

        Thanks
        That's just like saying you can't understand why anyone would sell a business that is making good money. Look around, it happens every day of the week. Sometimes people need to cash out, their interests change, or like you, they want move on and invest in something else.

        You will pay based on a multiple of what they're site is currently making, just like you would a normal business.
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        • Profile picture of the author skibbz
          The idea of buying an established site on flippa is great, I can recall a guy who got critically ill and wanted to sell his article directory that was earning like $18,000 per month. a site like that would be ideal for you. You want something that has longevity and also great income potential.

          For me personally, I love social networks. I have found viral marketing on social networks to be very fast traffic and income generators.If I had $100K usd to invest. I would be thinking about building a photo sharing or multimedia site like photobucket or flickr. Another idea which i love is skype, imagine if you could build the next killer app with voice over Ip that has video conferencing features like skype and integrate it into blackberry and iphone applications?

          these are just a few things you can think about :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author WillR
            Originally Posted by skibbz View Post

            Another idea which i love is skype, imagine if you could build the next killer app with voice over Ip that has video conferencing features like skype and integrate it into blackberry and iphone applications?
            I thought Skype could already be used on the iphone?
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            • Profile picture of the author skibbz
              Originally Posted by WillR View Post

              I thought Skype could already be used on the iphone?
              skype can be used on iphone through their own iphone application.

              you can check it out here iPhone apps - Download Skype for iPhone, iPad and iPod touch - Skype
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              • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
                Thanks for the posts
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                • Profile picture of the author skibbz
                  Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

                  Thank you for your advise. As I am very succesfull with the things i´ve done before, you can imagine that i am not gonna blow out my money without knowing what I do. If so I wouldn´t have a 100k to invest by now.

                  But thank you for your post so I can Add that I am not going to necessary spend that money and i am not gone make a onetime investment at all.
                  100k is my investment for 2-3 years at whichs end i wanna have an income of 6-10 k.

                  Also I am not a newbie, I allready know what I can do and how it works, the technical and theoretical, I dont need to get to deep into it because there are professionals out there that are specialized on certain things.
                  Thats why I am here, to get some ideas from pros.

                  Thank you for your replie adie




                  Thank you Skibbz, but I dont need to do it from the scratch if i can pay people to do all the work for me as soon as I got the Idea.I think I have enough knowledge to do so.

                  Still thank you for your Replies.
                  Hey Alphaturk I recommend iphone/blackberry apps all they wayyyyyyyy!! especially one thats in the entertainment niche like ringtone editors or iphone games and sell them for like $5 a pop. you cant loose:-)
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        • Profile picture of the author suemax
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          That's just like saying you can't understand why anyone would sell a business that is making good money. Look around, it happens every day of the week. Sometimes people need to cash out, their interests change, or like you, they want move on and invest in something else.

          You will pay based on a multiple of what they're site is currently making, just like you would a normal business.
          Yes, consider it directly parallel to "P/E ratios".
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  • Profile picture of the author gotti3636
    I think you should invest in some websites that are already making good money. As abs007 said, go to flippa.com and browse for some well established websites and buy them

    There are normally some really good deals on flippa but be careful and make sure you only buy from a trusted seller.
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  • Profile picture of the author PLR Basket
    The info-product + PPC combination should work well for you if you know which niches to target.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Another thing you could look into is buying underpriced and expired domains, and then flip them on Flippa and elsewhere. You can buy domains starting at $10, all the way into six or even seven figures, but of course I'd suggest that you start with 2 or 3 figure domains initially, at least until you know what you're doing.

    There's tremendous potential with domain names, and the nice thing about them is that you don't have to develop websites or do any technical work in order to flip them. There's obviously going to be a learning curve here, but if you learn how to do this well it'll reward you very well financially.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    My Advise, keep your big sum of money and learn first with a very small amount. This is to keep you from losing... Spending without enough knowledge will only result to loses...especially if you have that big amount...

    Once you learned, that's the time to spread your budget....
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    • Profile picture of the author skibbz
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      My Advise, keep your big sum of money and learn first with a very small amount. This is to keep you from losing... Spending without enough knowledge will only result to loses...especially if you have that big amount...

      Once you learned, that's the time to spread your budget....
      This is good advice, $100K is way more than you would need to build a profitable online business. The first thing you need to focus on is the skill to make money and the experience. start small and find the IM strategy which brings you the best results then scale up from there
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Clark
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      My Advise, keep your big sum of money and learn first with a very small amount. This is to keep you from losing... Spending without enough knowledge will only result to loses...especially if you have that big amount...

      Once you learned, that's the time to spread your budget....
      I completely agree. You DO NOT want to invest all your money. I would strongly suggest that you experiment with small amounts of money first ($0-$500). I personally would stay away from buying websites. From the sounds of it you are passionate about IM and business and have been successful offline. If I were you I would build my own IM business. This will be much easier for you than for most people because you have the money to pay for outsourcers, software etc. This is one of the biggest hurdles people face and you are already over it. Like I mentioned in my previous post, you should really look at Rich Schefren's stuff because he is a major player and is regularly payed $25k+ by the likes of yahoo, google, Agora etc. For consulting. He has a really good coaching program called the ultimate business growth system which is amazing. You need to check it out before you do anything. I am not a salesperson or an affiliate, I don't gain anything from reccomending him, but I know how good he is.
      Do a Google search for Rich Schefren and look at his stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    DA,

    In the U.S. Military, we like to do thorough analysis' of courses of actions before deciding on any given one to pursue. I'd highly encourage you to take all the feedback and comments in this thread and lay it all out. Just because you have $100,000 to invest, I wouldn't succumb to the temptation that you could just throw it into the win....quite honestly, you CAN reach your goal with less than a thousand of that invested.

    There are a million different factors to consider. Definitely look into Flippa, as another poster had mentioned. Try to determine what investment you can realize the most upside gain with the least amount of investment/expenditure.
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    • Profile picture of the author skibbz
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      DA,
      Try to determine what investment you can realize the most upside gain with the least amount of investment/expenditure.
      yes this is excellent advice.. maximum ROI is key in any business especially start ups
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    I'm going to save you $90,000 right now!!!

    I would think along the lines of having $10,000 to invest, not $100,000.

    Keep the $90,000 tucked away where you can't easily get at it.

    If you can't make money starting off with $10,000 then you probably won't with $100,000.

    Find out what you are interested in.

    Join the War Room here.

    Join BTF.

    Find a few dozen decent domain names.

    Build some sites or get someone to throw up some decent looking blogs for you.

    Invest in some software to help you such as Market Samurai, SENuke, The Best Spinner etc...

    Add in some hosting and you have probably spent a few thousand if you get others to set up your sites.

    That leaves you a few thousand to buy some links and outsource some content.

    Within a few months you should have some reasonable rankings for something and by then you will have learned a lot and probably realised it isn't as easy as you think. But neither is it rocket science.

    Don't think you can just plop $100,000 into a project and it will be a hit.

    I know people and companies personally who have had failed projects and quite a few costing much more than $100,000.

    If you think you need to spend $100,000 to succeed, then you will soon find lots of places to spend you money!

    Oh and my fee for saving you $90,000 is just $1,997 and with no upsells :-)

    Thanks,
    Sam
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
      EDITED

      I have hosting.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
        I understand now :-)

        I have the perfect place for you to invest the other $90,000 I was saving you.

        I will send you a private message with my bank account details ;-)

        Thanks,

        Sam
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        • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
          Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

          I understand now :-)

          I have the perfect place for you to invest the other $90,000 I was saving you.

          I will send you a private message with my bank account details ;-)

          Thanks,

          Sam
          Awesome ! Please hurry, I really want to get rid of the money as soon as possible.
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        The advice given thusfar was meant to help you.

        Sorry to say, but you can't necessarily discriminate between the advice given when you are receiving it all for free...from the goodness of people's hearts.

        It may just be me, but your post comes off just a little abrasive...upset at people for not fully understanding your "situation" and not giving you the advice you want.

        Based on what I know of IM, I gave you my advice because I know that you don't need to dump all $100,000 into IM in order to achieve your goals. I felt that was very sound advice, however, it appears to be not the substance you are looking for.

        Writing responses to you incurs an opportunity cost, and quite honestly, I wish you the best.


        Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

        Ok people, I apreciate you are worring about me, but please stop giving me advises on what to do with my money or not.Instead that provide me with some information about what is possible as some posters allready did (thank you)

        I opend my buisness with 600 euros and i am now owning a bar and a house and i have money to invest. so I am likely not to take to much advice from others when it comes to my money as I am obviously able to handle that myself

        I want to say once again. I am not a newbie.
        I have hosting, I have a few dozen sites, i have set them up my own and they are getiing traffic, i wrote the articles my self submitted them my self, i also worked with samurai and article bot and a lot of other softwares for keywords, webdesing article submitting or rewrtiting etc.. I have a lot of facebook fansite with thousands of users, i tried payperclick and all that stuff. I even did some selling with reseller hosting. I am earning from the sites but not much as i only set them up to learn the process and dont put much effort in them afterwards or now as i wanna outsource those things anyway and dont work days and hours to earn a few hundered bucks because thats not worth my time.

        I just want to know what some people can tell me and what they would do or can advice. Get some ideas of what is possible with that amount and not what is possible with no money or with 10% of that.

        Please dont get me wrong but things are going of topic.

        Still thank you for the othe advices SAM =)
        I will defenitley join the war room.

        EDIT: I AM SORRY, of course i am still a newbie, but not as much as you think thats why i wanted to make sure you guys understand that for further advices you are hopefully giving me.
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        • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
          Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

          The advice given thusfar was meant to help you.

          Sorry to say, but you can't necessarily discriminate between the advice given when you are receiving it all for free...from the goodness of people's hearts.

          It may just be me, but your post comes off just a little abrasive...upset at people for not fully understanding your "situation" and not giving you the advice you want.

          Based on what I know of IM, I gave you my advice because I know that you don't need to dump all $100,000 into IM in order to achieve your goals. I felt that was very sound advice, however, it appears to be not the substance you are looking for.

          Writing responses to you incurs an opportunity cost, and quite honestly, I wish you the best.

          Know what, you are right.
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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            No worries.

            One thing to consider....MOST people here, I'd guess, have never faced the issue of what to do with $100,000...

            Advice may be really quite limited for that reason.

            This forum has 200,000+ members, but, like I said, most probably haven't dealt with that sum of money.

            Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

            Know what, you are right, I will delete the post. See, I asked the same question on another forum and the hole tread ended up beeing about what people would do with the money , what they would buy, where to invest and so on, but nothing about what u can do in this special market if you are able to spend that much. I really dont want this tread to go the same way and I appologize if I upset you, I didn´t ment to.

            I am not going to spend 100k if i dont have a like THE buisness idea that brings me this money back guarenteed. also i will of course see after i spend 10k lets say over the first 4-5 months if it will work out or not. I am not attending to blow my money away I worked really hard for it.
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            • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
              Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

              No worries.

              One thing to consider....MOST people here, I'd guess, have never faced the issue of what to do with $100,000...

              Advice may be really quite limited for that reason.

              This forum has 200,000+ members, but, like I said, most probably haven't dealt with that sum of money.

              So from what i read a few of them make like 5 - 25k bucks a month for years, so i think they may deal with amounts like that if they are acctually as much earning as they say in this forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
            Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

            I am not going to spend 100k if i dont have a like THE buisness idea that brings me this money back guarenteed. also i will of course see after i spend 10k lets say over the first 4-5 months if it will work out or not. I am not attending to blow my money away I worked really hard for it.
            Well after reading everything now, there is a simple answer to this.

            (I) have a lot of things (I) can do with 100k, but your problem is that you're not me?

            It sounds like you're using IM forums to do your brainstorming for you. This is what you would pay employees for or a consultant.

            If you come into an IM forum where mostly newbies are trying to learn IM, these are the types of responses you're going to get. The type of person that is more able to answer your question, more than likely, doesn't spend a whole lot of time on forums so your question is likely never going to get the answer you're looking for.
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              Exactly! And, for those reasons, I wouldn't get upset if responses don't garner the substance that he is looking for....

              I'll be strait-up. I've never had $100,000 to play around with in IM, but, I do have a general good idea of what things cost...what is worth it and what isn't.

              Originally Posted by CyberSorcerer View Post

              Well after reading everything now, there is a simple answer to this.

              (I) have a lot of things (I) can do with 100k, but your problem is that you're not me?

              It sounds like you're using IM forums to do your brainstorming for you. This is what you would pay employees for or a consultant.

              If you come into an IM forum where mostly newbies are trying to learn IM, these are the types of responses you're going to get. The type of person that is more able to answer your question, more than likely, doesn't spend a whole lot of time on forums so your question is likely never going to get the answer you're looking for.
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            • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
              Originally Posted by CyberSorcerer View Post

              Well after reading everything now, there is a simple answer to this.

              (I) have a lot of things (I) can do with 100k, but your problem is that you're not me?

              It sounds like you're using IM forums to do your brainstorming for you. This is what you would pay employees for or a consultant.

              If you come into an IM forum where mostly newbies are trying to learn IM, these are the types of responses you're going to get. The type of person that is more able to answer your question, more than likely, doesn't spend a whole lot of time on forums so your question is likely never going to get the answer you're looking for.

              my problem is defenitley not that I am not you. If I where you I wouldn´t have any money to invest because it looks like you are not really succesfull in life. What ever. So you wanna tell me about I am "using" forums to do my brainstorming ? I think you are just jealous. Besides that, that half of the treads that I read here is about people telling that they earn thousands of thousands of $ per week and you coming here telling me that im stupid to think there would be anyone who could answer my question. Get a life man
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              • Profile picture of the author donhx
                Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

                my problem is defenitley not that I am not you. If I where you I wouldn´t have any money to invest because it looks like you are not really succesfull in life. What ever. So you wanna tell me about I am "using" forums to do my brainstorming ? I think you are just jealous. Besides that, that half of the treads that I read here is about people telling that they earn thousands of thousands of $ per week and you coming here telling me that im stupid to think there would be anyone who could answer my question. Get a life man

                I think it's a great idea to use this forum to brainstorm. There are a lot of experienced people here who are friendly and willing to offer their insight and ideas.

                Perhaps there is some jealousy when someone says they have that much money to invest in IM. But it's great to have capital! You have the capacity to launch a well designed marketing program, and that's great. You will have endless opportunities.
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                • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
                  Originally Posted by donhx View Post

                  I think it's a great idea to use this forum to brainstorm. There are a lot of experienced people here who are friendly and willing to offer their insight and ideas.

                  Perhaps there is some jealousy when someone says they have that much money to invest in IM. But it's great to have capital! You have the capacity to launch a well designed marketing program, and that's great. You will have endless opportunities.

                  Thank you very much, finaly someone that sees what my question is about and why im here.

                  Unfortunatley this forum doesn´t turned out to be what I expected it. I thought there are really some people around that know what to do and that have suggestions and ideas. But instead i find a bunch of people never been ambitious enough to make money now telling me what to do with my money instead of "blowing it out" in IM. Such a bul****, you all talk like it is impossible to make money in IM if you have capital but that u can be a millionair if you don´t have any money to invest. Wake up!

                  Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

        I have hosting, I have a few dozen sites, i have set them up my own and they are getiing traffic, i wrote the articles my self submitted them my self, i also worked with samurai and article bot and a lot of other softwares for keywords, webdesing article submitting or rewrtiting etc.. I have a lot of facebook fansite with thousands of users, i tried payperclick and all that stuff. I even did some selling with reseller hosting.
        I would say your biggest problem is focus. That is something money cannot fix. You have tried all the methods you listed above, that's great. But it doesn't sound to me like you have actually followed through with any of them though - otherwise you would be making money.

        Money won't solve your problems in this industry. By starting a thread like this you have probably only made it even less likely that you will succeed because you will now have a whole new list of methods to go off and try.

        How about going back to the things you have already setup and concentrate on one or two of them and make them work. From the replies you gave I assume money is not a worry for you at the moment. So you have the time to put in and get things working.

        Pay per click works, facebook marketing works, article marketing works - these are all things you have already tried. The difference here between you making a profit or not will not be determined by the ideas we give you. It is down to you, your focus, and your determination.

        It sounds like you have been a hard worker in other areas of your life so try and transfer it over to this. Setup some steady incomes and then use your money to scale things up nice and fast - but only when you have a system that is already making money.
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        • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          I would say your biggest problem is focus. That is something money cannot fix. You have tried all the methods you listed above, that's great. But it doesn't sound to me like you have actually followed through with any of them though - otherwise you would be making money.

          Money won't solve your problems in this industry. By starting a thread like this you have probably only made it even less likely that you will succeed because you will now have a new list of methods to go off and try.

          How about going back to the things you have already setup and concentrate on one or two of them and make them work. From the replies you gave I assume money is not a worry for you at the moment. So you have the time to put in and get things working.
          Absolutley right.

          See it is not a matter of focus. I set up the sites to acctually learn the process and I did so far. If I continue on this, of course i will focus on monetizing those sites but I will outsource the work and build a bunch of them because like u mentioned i have no money worries and I don´t want to spend too much time on building it myself because what i can do with my knowledge and my own workforces doesn´t bring enough money to make it worth the time for me. I hope I could explaine what I mean.?

          Thats why i am here, because i wanna descide how to continue.
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          • Profile picture of the author WillR
            Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

            Absolutley right.

            See it is not a matter of focus. I set up the sites to acctually learn the process and I did so far. If I continue on this, of course i will focus on monetizing those sites but I will outsource the work and build a bunch of them because like u mentioned i have no money worries and I don´t want to spend too much time on building it myself because what i can do with my knowledge and my own workforces doesn´t bring enough money to make it worth the time for me. I hope I could explaine what I mean.?

            Thats why i am here, because i wanna descide how to continue.
            I just added an extra paragraph to my last post:

            It sounds like you have been a hard worker in other areas of your life so try and transfer it over to this. Setup some steady incomes and then use your money to scale things up nice and fast - but only when you have a system that is already making money.
            That's what I think you should do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zachmo
      Or go for something you know about most, something that interests you so it will be easier for you to run it.
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      • Profile picture of the author skibbz
        Originally Posted by Zachmo View Post

        Or go for something you know about most, something that interests you so it will be easier for you to run it.
        definately!! the key to success is doing something that you love, because giving of your best in it will come naturally. focusing on the money alone in IM is not good enough. You must have passion about the business you are into
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Clark
    I would go and check out some of Rich Schefren's stuff. He has been massively successful both online and offline. He has got some really good stuff (some free and some that is quite expensive). He was the guy who taught IM to the likes of Mike Filsaime, Jeff Walker etc. I think you would benefit greatly from his training because he teaches you how to find the right business for you, then how to get it going, then how to expand and streamline. He really knows his stuff.
    He gets my personal reccomendation, do a google search for him.
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

    So what would you guys do in my situation ? what is best way? what is the safest ? how would you start ? I dont nessecarly want to spend 100k but i can if its worth it, so please let me know about your ideas. I am also open to buisness Ideas and jointventures.

    Thank you for reading this long post and please let me read what comes to your mind.

    Daniel
    Interesting question - and quite a change from the more frequent
    "How to launch an IM business with $100 (or less)!"

    I'd look at it this way.

    First, decide what kind of model works best for you. The broadest
    grouping I can think of is:

    * direct selling
    * lead generation
    * content publishing

    Direct selling will include affiliate marketing and ecommerce.
    Lead gen will involve finding leads for a business and getting
    paid for it. Content publishing includes all nuances of
    infopreneuring, with various monetization options.

    - - -

    Then, decide upon your niche. You may choose a passion, or
    make a purely money/profit driven decision, depending upon
    how 'hands-on' you will be in running the nitty-gritty
    details of your business.

    The reason I personally put passion ahead of purely profit
    potential is because I'd love to be involved in what I'm
    doing for many more years - though there are more than
    enough success stories from taking the other approach to
    dismiss it as a viable solution.

    - - -

    Next, see if any established sites/businesses are almost
    exactly what you want or would like to build - and then
    see if they'll sell it to you.

    If they will, you're in business - overnight.

    If they won't, then go ahead and build it after studying
    the market, the model, the system and maybe even reverse
    engineering their processes.

    - - -

    This is a WIDELY based plan. No one can likely give you
    very specific suggestions without sitting down to talk
    it over and figure out your unique needs, desires and
    skills/talents.

    Hope this very broad outline is of some help in taking
    the next step - and good luck with your business!

    All success
    Dr.Mani
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
      Thank you for your advise.

      What do you guys think of the idea of adopting good converting products and provide them in a a simmilar form for other languages ?

      How could one establish him self as a succesfull provider of affiliate products for marketers in a certain language where not so manny Affiliate products are avilable ?

      Anyone did this before ? Any Ideas, comments ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    AlphaTurk:

    Don't use the 100k directly.

    Instead, invest the 100k into something else that generates some kind of income, then use that income to launch your business.

    Now, you are 'playing with house money', and you can risk that without too much problem.

    Almost anything should work, including muni bonds, or even rental property. The better the yield, the more money you have to risk on this venture.

    Understand what I'm saying?
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      AlphaTurk:

      Don't use the 100k directly.

      Instead, invest the 100k into something else that generates some kind of income, then use that income to launch your business.

      Now, you are 'playing with house money', and you can risk that without too much problem.

      Almost anything should work, including muni bonds, or even rental property. The better the yield, the more money you have to risk on this venture.

      Understand what I'm saying?
      This is perhaps the best advice I've seen posted here. And it is one I have done myself. One additional point would be to continue to invest a percentage of your earnings. My favorite capital generating method is investing in the stock market, especially over the last few years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
    Take a few weeks, and do your due diligence, to find out who the real deal guys are who are making money hand over fist, and have been, reliably, for a long time. Cost: free.

    Take a little time after that to find out which ones among them offer mentoring. Cost: free.

    Contact people who have been mentored by them, see how it went. Cost: free.

    When you find a guy you're comfortable with, sign up to be mentored. Cost: whatever it costs. Probably still a lot less than 100k, though.


    In short, throw your lot in with somebody who is a proven success, who also has a track record of making others successful, and you practically can't fail.
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
      Originally Posted by Leo McMackin View Post

      If I were you I'd quite simply have a someone build a squeeze page for me and buy about 500 solo ads
      Tell me more about it, what exactly would you do ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Leo McMackin
    If I were you I'd quite simply have a someone build a squeeze page for me and buy about 500 solo ads
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    • Profile picture of the author suemax
      Originally Posted by Leo McMackin View Post

      If I were you I'd quite simply have a someone build a squeeze page for me and buy about 500 solo ads
      I think I would go for ten of these in ten hot niches, build ten lists and then keep building them...... Then you have ten assets that you can one day sell, and which you can continue to benefit from for the future......
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        This is what I actually do, although may not necessarily be the best for you without certainly some trial and error.

        For my online businesses, I have a budget of $15,000 a week to spend on advertising. Almost all of it goes to solo advertising to targeted ezine publishers.

        To find many of these highly targeted ezine publishers, I use the DirectoryofEzines.com, which is $197 for unlimited use. It is a very well organized directory of established ezine publishers with contact info, ad rates, number of subscribers, demographics etc.

        Find a niche you're interested in, build a website with a squeeze page, then drive traffic to it quickly with solo ads. Spend some time also optimizing the website with SEO and backlinks such as submitting articles to these ezines as well as major article directories.

        It really doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          This is what I actually do, although may not necessarily be the best for you without certainly some trial and error.

          For my online businesses, I have a budget of $15,000 a week to spend on advertising. Almost all of it goes to solo advertising to targeted ezine publishers.

          To find these highly targeted ezine publishers I use the DirectoryofEzines.com which is $197 for unlimited use. It is a very well organized directory of established ezine publishers with contact info, ad rates, number of subscribers, demographics etc.

          Find a niche you're interested in, build a website with a squeeze page, then drive traffic to it quickly with solo ads. Spend some time also optimizing the website with SEO and backlinks such as submitting articles to these ezines as well as major article directories.

          It really doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. :rolleyes:
          Thank you for your reply,

          May I ask how much you make when spending 15k a week ? how is the ROI
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

            Thank you for your reply,

            May I ask how much you make when spending 15k a week ? how is the ROI
            The ROI is not fully realized until 2-3 months, while the pipeline is funneled through the sales sequence. I'm not suggesting you invest that much initially but certainly begin the process with some solo ads to test your conversions. My conversions are running at about 6-8% each autoresponder cycle selling some high end Amazon products.

            I do not disclose my earnings (you would probably not believe it anyway), but the ROI is quite substantial. Your mileage may vary, as it certainly is not an indicator of your potential results. But, this is not empty theory, either.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
    Thank you all for your advices so far
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    If I had $100,000 to invest I would definitely look into PPC and get a really good training course on that. If you can find a good website designer to do landing pages for you and then learn how to max out Adwords and Facebook, then you can probably run profitable affiliate campaigns within a short period of time.

    I would also invest in a really good SEO training course and learn it all. Then I would go out and buy or start a few websites aimed at moderate to high competetive ('cheap flights xxxxx' instead of 'cheap flights') keywords with a 1-2 year goal of ranking nr. 1. Get some really slick websites up and then buy every backlink product out there. Outsource the use of them and article writing. Do all that and you will be on Google's first page within a year or two and that's where the big money is.

    I just think you should try all this out for yourself for some months before investing too much and thinking about outsourcing, but you definitely have an advantage bringing that much capital with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
      Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

      If I had $100,000 to invest I would definitely look into PPC and get a really good training course on that. If you can find a good website designer to do landing pages for you and then learn how to max out Adwords and Facebook, then you can probably run profitable affiliate campaigns within a short period of time.

      I would also invest in a really good SEO training course and learn it all. Then I would go out and buy or start a few websites aimed at moderate to high competetive ('cheap flights xxxxx' instead of 'cheap flights') keywords with a 1-2 year goal of ranking nr. 1. Get some really slick websites up and then buy every backlink product out there. Outsource the use of them and article writing. Do all that and you will be on Google's first page within a year or two and that's where the big money is.

      I just think you should try all this out for yourself for some months before investing too much and thinking about outsourcing, but you definitely have an advantage bringing that much capital with you.
      Thank you so much,

      Thats the kind of answers I would like to get.

      Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Crooke
      Interesting post. I would recommend you be careful and do your due diligence before investing. What I can suggest is to find a company and/or person that will mentor/train you how to build a successful online business.

      The top 3% marketers all had a mentor at the beginning. 97% fail online because they don't achieve success and they had no support.

      To your success,

      Richard
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
    My best advice would be to not jump in and start spending right away even though you have it. Since most people get started with virtually no up front investment other than their time, I'd recommend you do the same. Play it safe and save the money for when you have a really solid idea for how you'll use it and leverage it to build your business/income. Just wanted to throw that out there
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  • Profile picture of the author vok
    Create an action plan for youself, and don't do anything untill you have a clear plan of what you're going to do and how your going to set about doing it.

    Work out what your personal interests are and create a online business model that suits it. You're going to need to create a method that draws in the traffic, some way of retaining the traffic (mailing lists) and some way of monitizing the traffic through PPC ads, Affiliate ads or your own set of products or services.

    That's pretty much what every single person is doing online in one way or another.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    AT,

    I read about the first 20 messages in this thread and it seemed everyone was saying the same thing - so if this has been said, just ignore it.

    The first thing you need to do is pick out a business model. You need to decide what type of business you want. There are many variations and if you bounce back and forth, then you will have diminished results.

    Niche Affiliate sites(amazon, etc), adsense, information products, e-commerce, consulting, guru business, software, and others.

    Decide on which business you would like to own and then you have a place to start. The advice I would give is much different for someone who wants to start an information product business than the advice I would give to someone who wants to build an adsense business...etc... So, I think clarifying what exactly you would like to have in a year or two is the first step.

    And... you can eventually own businesses of several different types to diversify. But you really need to FOCUS on one til you are killing it then branch out. (in my experience).
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    forget aboutt he $100k..do not go and buy 20 $2k courses and think that's going to supercharge you along.

    Start with nothing.But a domain. What bizz are going to do? Start with 1...start small. try to mkae a profit, tweak, change, adjust. scale up...Duplicate IF you need products or you need to outsource parts of it to expand do it..One step at a time.

    BE very careful. I'l lbet you PM box is full of kinds of "unbelievable" offers. Best to ignore them all and do what I said. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Hmmm..it would be so easy for every person with some spare cash to think this but it hairy fairy land.......I'll bet 99% of those sites are scams...so BEWARE. Yes there are golden nuggets but it's a needle in the haystack...

    for yourself you have capital to invest - so why start of from ground up - I would personally go to flippa.com and look at some websites for sale
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      Hmmm..it would be so easy for every person with some spare cash to think this but it hairy fairy land.......I'll bet 99% of those sites are scams...so BEWARE. Yes there are golden nuggets but it's a needle in the haystack...
      Thanks for the Tipp
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    I would hire an expert for $10k whose only job would be to find me the best $90k website to buy.

    If you do this then you know that the decision making process has been made by someone with a proven track record, not yourself.

    Not that I am not saying you don't know what you are doing, but if it was me I would hire an expert. I think neither you or I have been in the situation of buying $100k websites before, so why not hire a professional consultant or broker that has the necessary experience.

    Or you could just wing-it, your choice!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dash Evra
    -Hire a keyword researcher
    -Hire a web designer
    -Hire a SEO team
    -Monetize your site once you start getting the traffic
    -Rinse and Repeat (if it works).
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
      Is there anyone on this forum who acctually earns money himself ? somthing like 10k a month ?
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      • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
        Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

        Is there anyone on this forum who acctually earns money himself ? somthing like 10k a month ?
        There should be plenty, but the majority makes much less. I fully expect to make more than 10k a month within 2 years and know of several people who are affiliate marketer millionaires. Once you understand the basics of search engines (paid and organic) and social media it's really only a question of getting things done and your money should help with that.
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      • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
        Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

        Is there anyone on this forum who acctually earns money himself ? somthing like 10k a month ?
        I make over 10k/month but it's not all from Internet Marketing.

        I'm also an Independent Security Consultant and penetration tester.

        I also do application development, mostly for the security industry, in C#, and C/C++

        And then you have my Internet Marketing activities which is about 75-80 sites with about 60% on autopilot. Then my freelancing on vWorkder, oDesk, and Elance.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by AlphaTurk View Post

        Is there anyone on this forum who acctually earns money himself ? somthing like 10k a month ?
        That's less than my weekly advertising budget. There are some in this forum who make well into six figures/mo or more, but that really is immaterial and no indication of how well you will do.
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        • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          That's less than my weekly advertising budget. There are some in this forum who make well over six figures/mo, but that really is immaterial and no indication of how well you will do.
          It certainly does make a difference, because if he hires an expert to set everything up for him, he knows it will work.

          Myob, the rest isn't directed at you, so please don't assume I'm having a rant at you. I just want to drop some common offline business sense in the thread.

          If you are on a limited budget then you must learn everything you can, but if you have the investment capital, then the best way forward is always to hire an expert.

          Compare what he wants to do with opening an hotel. Would you:

          A) Hire people that knew what needed to be done, and delegate.
          B) Try and do everything yourself.

          You wouldn't catch me trying to balance a plate full of drinks, mentally calculating my taxes while trying to figure out how to work the cash register.

          When starting out you usually have to learn everything yourself, but that doesn't make it the right way to do things. Just the way that the majority are forced, by economical means, to do them.

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          • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
            Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

            It certainly does make a difference, because if he hires an expert to set everything up for him, he knows it will work.

            Myob, the rest isn't directed at you, so please don't assume I'm having a rant at you. I just want to drop some common offline business sense in the thread.

            If you are on a limited budget then you must learn everything you can, but if you have the investment capital, then the best way forward is always to hire an expert.

            Compare what he wants to do with opening an hotel. Would you:

            A) Hire people that knew what needed to be done, and delegate.
            B) Try and do everything yourself.

            You wouldn't catch me trying to balance a plate full of drinks, mentally calculating my taxes while trying to figure out how to work the cash register.

            When starting out you usually have to learn everything yourself, but that doesn't make it the right way to do things. Just the way that the majority are forced, by economical means, to do them.

            Cheers,
            Colin Palfrey
            Thank you for this post.

            Acctualy that is what im am trying to say. I have done enough and still doing the things you all are talking about to acctually have at least an idea of how it works. I also said it earlier that it doesnt make any sense for me to start monetizing this small pages i builded for learning purpose and wasting my time with that to earn a few bucks, i just don´t need it. I just want to get some ideas and if I find something interessting I will hire the nesecary people to do it. if I than fail thats my problem and i will losse maybe a few thousand thats it.

            I just would like to hear what one can do if he has capital and wants to spend it on IM, what is the best way ? I TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT SO OFTEN IN THIS TREAD THAT i DONT NEED ANY ADVICES ON HWO TO MAKE MONEY WITHOUT CAPITAL!

            There are quiet a few good ideas here and I really thank you guys for that.
            It is not that i am not thankfull for advice but if you do not have anything to say to the ACTUAL QUESTION, why waste your time giving me advices I don´t need plus adding that I shouldn´t "blow my money".

            Thanks to the people acctually trying to help. I apreciate it
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          • Profile picture of the author drmani
            Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

            If you are on a limited budget then you must learn everything you can, but if you have the investment capital, then the best way forward is always to hire an expert.
            I'll play Devil's advocate here, and debate your point Colin

            Yes, you can *afford* to hire an expert - but it may not always be the *best*
            way forward.

            Compare what he wants to do with opening an hotel.
            No, let's NOT. Because building an online business is far simpler than opening
            a hotel. Sure, there are some elements to getting it right that are similar, but
            there's a SIGNIFICANT difference from starting an offline business (I wouldn't
            have a clue about doing one myself) - which is why an 'online business' sounds
            so attractive to many!

            You wouldn't catch me trying to balance a plate full of drinks, mentally calculating my taxes while trying to figure out how to work the cash register.
            No, but you wouldn't jump into the hotel business without a modicum of knowledge
            of how the different parts work and interact, either. And as far as online business goes,
            immersive experience is often the surest and fastest way to learn the ropes.

            I'd personally lean towards the advice given earlier of spending $10k to see if you
            can make it work, before sinking the other $90k into scaling it higher. If you can't
            make the initial $10k investment profitable, then chances are the remaining sum
            probably won't make a big difference (exceptions excepted, of course! )

            When starting out you usually have to learn everything yourself, but that doesn't make it the right way to do things. Just the way that the majority are forced, by economical means, to do them.
            Yes, and we ARE talking about "starting out" in a new arena of business.

            How much of a bankroll you have to fund it makes little difference (I'm limiting
            this comment to the area of online business only, where I have some knowledge),
            unless you're ready to risk whatever you're investing into a LEARNING experience!

            Boot-strapping isn't a vice. And many business owners who built big online
            successes boot-strapped their way BY CHOICE. Two that come to mind are
            Seth Godin and Guy Kawasaki. Guy's lovely book, "Art of the Start" goes
            into some detail about this mindset.

            Thoughts?



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            • Profile picture of the author drmani
              Here's the post I was thinking about when I mentioned Guy's name:

              How to Change the World: By the Numbers: How I built a Web 2.0, User-Generated Content, Citizen Journalism, Long-Tail, Social Media Site for $12,107.09

              "During the dotcom days, entrepreneurs had to raise $5 million to try stupid ideas. Now I’ve proven that you can do it for $12,107.09."
              :lol:

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            • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
              Originally Posted by drmani View Post

              I'll play Devil's advocate here, and debate your point Colin
              Fair enough but watch out for lightening, Dr.Mani.

              Clearly we would approach things from opposite directions, but it is worth the exchange so that others can appreciate the different viewpoints.

              Originally Posted by drmani View Post

              Yes, you can *afford* to hire an expert - but it may not always be the *best*
              way forward.
              If you have pre-existing knowledge, a shortage of funds or plenty of time to burn, I agree.

              Originally Posted by drmani View Post

              No, let's NOT. Because building an online business is far simpler than opening a hotel. Sure, there are some elements to getting it right that are similar, but there's a SIGNIFICANT difference from starting an offline business (I wouldn't have a clue about doing one myself) - which is why an 'online business' sounds so attractive to many!
              You are explaining the dream not the reality. By pure determination and no funds, you will never build and promote the next Amazon or Facebook. The competition is too fierce and their pockets too deep.

              You can make a nice living provided you have the knowledge or time to put into something, but online or offline you still need to know how to do what you are doing.

              One of the problems that holds most small businesses back is the belief that online businesses are simple. They aren't and I suspect never were.

              If I had the $100k to invest what I would do is the same as it would be in an offline business. I would hire a big scale website flipper to buy a website (business) for roughly $50k that is making at least $10 a month. Then I would hire a manager (VA) to run the day to day operations while I looked for opportunities for growth. This could be investment opportunities, such as buying out the competition, JV deals based on the weight you now carry, or simply an improved and expanded advertising campaign.

              I wouldn't do any of that, though, unless the expert I had hired had told me, based on their proven knowledge, that it would help.

              Originally Posted by drmani View Post

              No, but you wouldn't jump into the hotel business without a modicum of knowledge of how the different parts work and interact, either. And as far as online business goes, immersive experience is often the surest and fastest way to learn the ropes.
              I would have a business analyst assess the potential, and if it looked worthwhile I would buy it and put a manager in charge that has a proven track record.

              Originally Posted by drmani View Post

              I'd personally lean towards the advice given earlier of spending $10k to see if you can make it work, before sinking the other $90k into scaling it higher. If you can't make the initial $10k investment profitable, then chances are the remaining sum probably won't make a big difference (exceptions excepted, of course! )
              Many businesses are great at the size they are at, but can't be scaled up. Provided he can get a $10 business, which is what a website is, that is scalable, then definitely follow that advice.

              Originally Posted by drmani View Post

              Yes, and we ARE talking about "starting out" in a new arena of business.

              How much of a bankroll you have to fund it makes little difference (I'm limiting this comment to the area of online business only, where I have some knowledge), unless you're ready to risk whatever you're investing into a LEARNING experience!
              So you are saying that it wouldn't help to have money, starting out.:rolleyes:

              He could find a product with longevity and a proven track record, buy the website, using its proven ROI just pump money into Adwords. Yes you can find these deals but...they take money!

              Originally Posted by drmani View Post

              Boot-strapping isn't a vice. And many business owners who built big online successes boot-strapped their way BY CHOICE.

              Two that come to mind are
              Seth Godin and Guy Kawasaki. Guy's lovely book, "Art of the Start" goes
              into some detail about this mindset.

              Thoughts?

              I don't see the advantage in hunting around for a way to make a living, when he can just buy something that is proven to work.

              Why not start with a proven website and then build up from there?

              Is the idea to prove that you can do it from the ground up, or to make a good living?

              I am not saying that after he buys a business with a proven track record, regardless of whether he owns (not runs) an SEO company, an authority site, a shoe shine store or shares in Amazon, he should stop.

              After establishing a foot in the door as a big player, then it is time to start playing the game, but at a bigger level. Imagine if you could buy one of the smaller but popular Fiverr clones, then add list building into the mix?
              Or buy both a small forum in a popular niche and a small web-store, then hook the two together?

              Why has the idea of hiring experts, proper planing, delegating and even dare I say it...focus groups! Why have they become such a thing to avoid!

              In short: dream bigger dreams :p

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  • Profile picture of the author alliance
    The beauty of the IM business is your ability to test,test,test without a large investment.
    Be careful with flippa as the name implies.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
    Banned
    The question becomes how is he going to know that the expert he hire is really viable? There are people with credibility that aren't really as great as advertised. You have consultant firms taking small business owners for $50,000 a pop and not producing much ,but, psychological satisfaction. A catch 22 for sure....

    On the other hand, I understand that if buying existing businesses is good enough offline then it has to work somehow online. Hence: Mergers and Acquisitions a lucrative endeavor in which the investor never gets his hands dirty in day to day task.
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  • Profile picture of the author luma2
    I have a good idea and chance for you, I think you dont have to invest all your money at once, just 1 idea could make you a lot of more, I am looking for a partern who want to work with me in the spanish niche, I have contacts, mailings list and the top 5 super affiliate is my budy, if you want to know my idea please contact me at: gisselle "AT" gissellealeman.com

    thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
      Originally Posted by luma2 View Post

      I have a good idea and chance for you, I think you dont have to invest all your money at once, just 1 idea could make you a lot of more, I am looking for a partern who want to work with me in the spanish niche, I have contacts, mailings list and the top 5 super affiliate is my budy, if you want to know my idea please contact me at: gisselle "AT" gissellealeman.com

      thanks!
      As I speak no spanish this is no option for me. If I would have done anything simmilar before the situation would be different, but under this circumstances we unfortunatley won´t be working on this together.

      Still thank you


      Originally Posted by janok View Post

      The question becomes how is he going to know that the expert he hire is really viable? There are people with credibility that aren't really as great as advertised. You have consultant firms taking small business owners for $50,000 a pop and not producing much ,but, psychological satisfaction. A catch 22 for sure....

      I am not gonna pay someone any money if he doesn´t bring me any results. If I ever take something like a consultant i´ll pay him on a comission bases or after the jobs are done in the way i want them to be, so this is not a problem i guess.

      ........Acquisitions a lucrative endeavor in which the investor never gets his hands dirty in day to day task.
      Exactly,

      my only worry should be the risk i am taking through my investment, and what i acctually wanna do. (for what i am asking here for to get some ideas)

      Tahnk you for your posts
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  • Profile picture of the author guest
    AlphaTurk,

    I have not read this whole thread - but it looks like your getting the same advice i usually get from warriorforum - and although it's great advice its not right for your (or my) circumstances.

    Most people on here will tell you to save your money - and work from the ground up. Lean with small amounts, or even invest your money elsewhere.

    I know EXACTLY what you are saying, as it sounds like you are like me...

    I know php/mysql/seo/css/java/vb/flash/etc -- without sounding big headed - i can do almost anything to do with the internet - except affiliate marketing.

    I make $12k a month online - all with a couple of sites using SEO -- no running costs at all. Years of work has paid off. This has let me save up enough to start something else.

    It's no good for me to think - i'm making enough to live off - as any day, my sites could lose their rank in google and my money has gone. I need to learn affiliate marketing - using pay per click advertising so i control how the visitors come to my sites -- not google.

    If we say at this point -- we are both the same... Skilled in all aspects of web design and seo. Enough money, so we don't have to start at the bottom, and wanting to find a new way to give us security and more money.

    So what can we do?

    We can outsource as much as possible - I've always paid a guy to write my articles and submit them to ezine. at $2 per article submited to ezine - it's not worth my time doing them.
    I'm just trying a guy on here "Shane Natan" who seems really nice - He does 10,000 backlinks for $89 -- there is no way i could compete with that, so i'm hoping to use his services a lot in the future. That's more outsourcing.
    We could pay people who are really skilled in graphics to make our landing pages, write our copy, and even create our site templates. Any job that will take you time - you can pay someone to do it, and the chances are they can do it cheaper, faster, and better.

    I personally write the content and meta for my sites - as i feel i can get the SEO better. But apart from that i outsource.


    Anyway, here is a few options...

    I've always been sceptical about buying a site from flippa. If you pay 10k for a site - and a few months later it stops making the 1k a month it was making - your kind of screwed.

    What i am trying at the moment is making 300 sites each earning $10 a day each. I've had success with minisites before - but only $1 or $2 a day. I'm still trying to get these going. Trying to do this all with SEO.

    Affiliate marketing - this is my real goal. Why spend months doing SEO - when you can just pay some money and have people on your site from day1. I'm going to try this in a month or 2. Using PPC.


    I suggest you go for affiliate marketing. Pick an offer with a company - pay someone to make you a landing page with a site (or make your own), and just try it with adwords (supposed to be the hardest to master - but i guess if you do it - facebook/yahoo/msn/etc will be easy )


    Please note - anyone who reads this - please dont think im being big headed! i worked hard to learn what i know, and to get the money i make. I'm in no way insulting the way anyone else has/does make their money.
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
      Originally Posted by guest View Post

      AlphaTurk,

      I have not read this whole thread - but it looks like your getting the same advice i usually get from warriorforum - and although it's great advice its not right for your (or my) circumstances.

      Most people on here will tell you to save your money - and work from the ground up. Lean with small amounts, or even invest your money elsewhere.

      I know EXACTLY what you are saying, as it sounds like you are like me...

      I know php/mysql/seo/css/java/vb/flash/etc -- without sounding big headed - i can do almost anything to do with the internet - except affiliate marketing.

      I make $12k a month online - all with a couple of sites using SEO -- no running costs at all. Years of work has paid off. This has let me save up enough to start something else.

      It's no good for me to think - i'm making enough to live off - as any day, my sites could lose their rank in google and my money has gone. I need to learn affiliate marketing - using pay per click advertising so i control how the visitors come to my sites -- not google.

      If we say at this point -- we are both the same... Skilled in all aspects of web design and seo. Enough money, so we don't have to start at the bottom, and wanting to find a new way to give us security and more money.

      So what can we do?

      We can outsource as much as possible - I've always paid a guy to write my articles and submit them to ezine. at $2 per article submited to ezine - it's not worth my time doing them.
      I'm just trying a guy on here "Shane Natan" who seems really nice - He does 10,000 backlinks for $89 -- there is no way i could compete with that, so i'm hoping to use his services a lot in the future. That's more outsourcing.
      We could pay people who are really skilled in graphics to make our landing pages, write our copy, and even create our site templates. Any job that will take you time - you can pay someone to do it, and the chances are they can do it cheaper, faster, and better.

      I personally write the content and meta for my sites - as i feel i can get the SEO better. But apart from that i outsource.


      Anyway, here is a few options...

      I've always been sceptical about buying a site from flippa. If you pay 10k for a site - and a few months later it stops making the 1k a month it was making - your kind of screwed.

      What i am trying at the moment is making 300 sites each earning $10 a day each. I've had success with minisites before - but only $1 or $2 a day. I'm still trying to get these going. Trying to do this all with SEO.

      Affiliate marketing - this is my real goal. Why spend months doing SEO - when you can just pay some money and have people on your site from day1. I'm going to try this in a month or 2. Using PPC.


      I suggest you go for affiliate marketing. Pick an offer with a company - pay someone to make you a landing page with a site (or make your own), and just try it with adwords (supposed to be the hardest to master - but i guess if you do it - facebook/yahoo/msn/etc will be easy )


      Please note - anyone who reads this - please dont think im being big headed! i worked hard to learn what i know, and to get the money i make. I'm in no way insulting the way anyone else has/does make their money.
      Perfectly answered a lot of my questions. Also profed what I was thinking on doing. Thank you for your post. If you like PM me your email or Skype so I can contact you if it is ok with you.

      Thanks alot
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by guest View Post

      AlphaTurk,

      I have not read this whole thread - but it looks like your getting the same advice i usually get from warriorforum - and although it's great advice its not right for your (or my) circumstances.

      Most people on here will tell you to save your money - and work from the ground up. Lean with small amounts, or even invest your money elsewhere.

      I know EXACTLY what you are saying, as it sounds like you are like me...

      I know php/mysql/seo/css/java/vb/flash/etc -- without sounding big headed - i can do almost anything to do with the internet - except affiliate marketing.

      I make $12k a month online - all with a couple of sites using SEO -- no running costs at all. Years of work has paid off. This has let me save up enough to start something else.

      It's no good for me to think - i'm making enough to live off - as any day, my sites could lose their rank in google and my money has gone. I need to learn affiliate marketing - using pay per click advertising so i control how the visitors come to my sites -- not google.

      If we say at this point -- we are both the same... Skilled in all aspects of web design and seo. Enough money, so we don't have to start at the bottom, and wanting to find a new way to give us security and more money.

      So what can we do?

      We can outsource as much as possible - I've always paid a guy to write my articles and submit them to ezine. at $2 per article submited to ezine - it's not worth my time doing them.
      I'm just trying a guy on here "Shane Natan" who seems really nice - He does 10,000 backlinks for $89 -- there is no way i could compete with that, so i'm hoping to use his services a lot in the future. That's more outsourcing.
      We could pay people who are really skilled in graphics to make our landing pages, write our copy, and even create our site templates. Any job that will take you time - you can pay someone to do it, and the chances are they can do it cheaper, faster, and better.

      I personally write the content and meta for my sites - as i feel i can get the SEO better. But apart from that i outsource.


      Anyway, here is a few options...

      I've always been sceptical about buying a site from flippa. If you pay 10k for a site - and a few months later it stops making the 1k a month it was making - your kind of screwed.

      What i am trying at the moment is making 300 sites each earning $10 a day each. I've had success with minisites before - but only $1 or $2 a day. I'm still trying to get these going. Trying to do this all with SEO.

      Affiliate marketing - this is my real goal. Why spend months doing SEO - when you can just pay some money and have people on your site from day1. I'm going to try this in a month or 2. Using PPC.


      I suggest you go for affiliate marketing. Pick an offer with a company - pay someone to make you a landing page with a site (or make your own), and just try it with adwords (supposed to be the hardest to master - but i guess if you do it - facebook/yahoo/msn/etc will be easy )


      Please note - anyone who reads this - please dont think im being big headed! i worked hard to learn what i know, and to get the money i make. I'm in no way insulting the way anyone else has/does make their money.
      You've hit the nail on the head with this. While it's great to "boot strap" your IM initially and start off with free methods, it's just too much of a gamble to rely on Google entirely (for your websites to rank organically long-term). It takes quite a bit of effort and time to get a site to rank, and all that could just vanish overnight if there's some unexpected change in Google's algorithms.

      I feel that marketers should always diversify into paid advertising by reinvesting some of their profits, because you can control paid traffic so much better - when, how much, and target specific demographic groups. You're not at the mercy of Google when you use paid advertising on a large scale and you can target your audience much better, and this is why billion dollar companies tend to favor large media buys over SEO - this is why you see some of the websites of large corporations barely even making an effort to do any SEO.
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      • Profile picture of the author AlphaTurk
        ok now, actually i am very thankfull to some of you guys advices and ideas, thank you very much for sharing it !

        I would appreciate if the serious people here with the serious ideas and advices would contact me with PM as i dont have enough post to write to you my self.

        I think you know if I mean you.

        Thank you guys finaly I am getting the input i was asking/searching for.
        Keep it up, i am looking forward to hear more ideas if possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author petevamp
    As many have already stated with that kind of capital to invest you are not limited by any means as many of us where when we first started. I personally got started from taking little chunks out of my unemployment checks when this recession first hit. If I would have had the amount of capital at the time with income coming in already. Things would have been ten times easier for me.

    As everyone has already stated I would go buy a site with proven traffic and income from flippa. I would then outsource anything I did not want to do or know how to do. Much like running any brick and mortar business. Your freelance workers are just that your workers. You pay them to do the work so you do not have to.

    Now I do not know how much you do know about im there but you could always go the product creation route. Outsource everything to free lancers. Then a few weeks or a few months later you can do the same thing again.
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