Where do you get your articles? How much do you pay?

by smwordsmith 51 replies
Reading the forum this past week has made me very curious...

1. Where do you get "EZine Article quality" articles?
2. How much do you pay for that article?
3. What do you expect to get for the money you pay?

Thanks in advance for your time and input.
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  • this is the only problem which I was able to solve after few months in my internet marketing. I have my own article writing team which meets my needs and needs of others.

    Articles must be according to EZA guidelines
    Must be properly formatted and free of grammar mistakes

    I think that is enough to make EZA happy
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  • Profile picture of the author Sardent
    I tried outsourcing several times.
    I like my own writing better.
    I'll keep trying until I find someone whose writing I like and gets results.
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  • Well, I:

    #1 - Write my own (highest cost)
    #2 - Have a couple of people on my US team write them (middle cost)
    #3 - Outsource them via oDesk to a select group of writers (least cost)

    So, as you can imagine, I do a little of #1, more of #2, and a LOT of #3.
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  • Profile picture of the author dtommy79
    I just started using the services of articlez.com, and I'm pretty much satisfied. They deliver the article quickly and it's good quality. $10/article about 350-400 words
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    • Profile picture of the author ForeignProfessor
      If by "E-zine quality", you simply mean meeting the minimum requirements for being accepted by Ezine you can buy article services pretty much anywhere. Ezine 'quality' is often absolute garbage. There's some good stuff on there, but most of it is just nonsense. You can probably get articles acceptable by Ezine standards for $2 if you shop around.

      If you want something that will actually have a chance of getting syndicated, and be worth more than the tiny amount of link juice a couple of ezine links provide you should look for something above minimum Ezine requirements.

      You should be looking for quality good enough that you'd be happy to have it published under your name, on your blog or website. If it's that good, then other webmasters might also agree, and they'll syndicate your content for you by publishing it on their websites.

      If you want short term links and click-thrus then buy cheap. If you want long term self-propelling content that'll help you out months or even years in the future buy quality content.

      Both ways work for people on this forum. Some people buy articles very cheaply and submit hundreds or thousands a month and make sales. Others write or buy just a few quality articles and also make good sales. Your choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisadams008
    I have a writer who can write quality articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author tamarindcandy
      I write my own. I don't fancy myself god's gift to writing, but I'm competent enough that I can produce results that aren't total rubbish/unreadable.
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      I also have full-time staff of professional writers.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinfar
    Having your own team that was assembled due to trial and error is the best way to get quality articles, something that I am trying to achieve at the moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author adnima
    I always write myself if the content is intended to appear on my own site. For use in promotion of the site I outsource using article writers Odesk. It shouldn't take you long to find a writer that is of sufficient quality for EZA or other article promotion methods and I pay $2-$3 per article.
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  • Profile picture of the author BudgetSEO
    After lots of pitfalls i have my own full time for Ezine Quality articles, when i wake up i don't read the newspaper, i read the ezine paper containing live links
    I pay them a fixed salary per month, since they are dedicated to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
    I generally write them myself. I've tried to outsource it dozens of times, only to be disappointed with the results, even from native english writers. There's always spelling/grammar mistakes, or they don't do their research and end up giving you an article that is bogus or copied from somewhere else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Avesel
    As said above: if you are putting your name on it, make sure its written with top quality.
    The worst thing you can do is put your company name on something that's obviously not written by a negative speaker (not to mention with no substance). Sounds obvious, but I've seen people do it to save money.
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    • Profile picture of the author smwordsmith
      Thanks, everyone, for the responses.

      I agree that Ezine quality is not necessarily the highest of standards. I have a hard time believing that they have a human editor read each article submitted.

      Thanks for pointing out that the article quality is relative to its intended use.

      Good to hear that some are having great success with contracted writers.

      Personally, I come to the internet for quality information. So, I provide the same for my readers- whether the article is published under my name or whether it is ghostwritten for others.

      It is so reassuring that, so far, no one has responded, "I get my articles wherever they are the cheapest".
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    Originally Posted by smwordsmith View Post

    Reading the forum this past week has made me very curious...

    1. Where do you get "EZine Article quality" articles?
    2. How much do you pay for that article?
    3. What do you expect to get for the money you pay?

    Thanks in advance for your time and input.
    Most of my work I write myself. I do have a couple of writers I use for a few of my own websites that I found in the Warrior for Hire section. I pay around $1 per 100 words mainly because I have someone that does very good quality work that charges that little. I do tip her when the quality is really good or when I know I am giving her a larger project than normal.

    I expect to get unique content that is very readable and is, for the most part, gramatically correct. Now with any writing not everything she sends me get approved by EZA right away. About 90% does and the other 10% is it usually an easy fix. EZA is just so much pickier than other article directories that it is hard to be perfect for them every single time.

    Benjamin Ehinger
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    I haven't tried outsourcing article writing to Odesk- I'm a little scared of it :-p

    I probably should give it a whirl though. Just seems like a lot of time might be spent correcting mistakes, but it'd still take less time than writing them yourself I s'pose.
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    • Originally Posted by AYoungMillionaire View Post

      I haven't tried outsourcing article writing to Odesk- I'm a little scared of it :-p

      I probably should give it a whirl though. Just seems like a lot of time might be spent correcting mistakes, but it'd still take less time than writing them yourself I s'pose.
      I use a very specific method that, in my experience, has assured me the best quality articles at the lowest price. If you just dive in, you're likely to find the going difficult and the success rate to be low.
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      • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
        Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

        I use a very specific method that, in my experience, has assured me the best quality articles at the lowest price. If you just dive in, you're likely to find the going difficult and the success rate to be low.
        I agree and one of the things I like is that when I outsource I get a different voice. I cannot attract each and every reader to my personal writing style. This means that I need other voices to get more people to read and that is one of the things outsourcing provides me.

        Benjamin Ehinger
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        • Originally Posted by Benjamin Ehinger View Post

          I agree and one of the things I like is that when I outsource I get a different voice. I cannot attract each and every reader to my personal writing style. This means that I need other voices to get more people to read and that is one of the things outsourcing provides me.
          Not only a different voice, but different ideas on the same topic.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            I was asked if I'd comment, here, but I can think of only one tiny thing to add to what David wisely said in post #6, above ...

            If you want articles specifically to be "EZA acceptable", just make that a condition of purchase from the writer. I think all the writers I know guarantee EZA acceptance anyway (apart from for reasons purely to do with the site linked to in the resource-box, of course, because that's outside their control), but even other writers who don't will probably agree to it as part of the deal, especially for a regular customer.
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            • Profile picture of the author ForeignProfessor
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              I was asked if I'd comment, here, but I can think of only one tiny thing to add to what David wisely said in post #6, above ...

              If you want articles specifically to be "EZA acceptable", just make that a condition of purchase from the writer.
              That reminds me of people asking whether something will pass Copyscape, AFTER they know that the writing in question is completely 100% original and written by you. I'd like to goddamn win the odds on writing a Copyscape FAILING original article, because if I do, I must be about due for a lottery win or five. (And at these odds, I don't need to buy a ticket.. I'll find one on the street.)
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          • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
            Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

            Not only a different voice, but different ideas on the same topic.
            Exactly what I was thinking
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            • Originally Posted by Benjamin Ehinger View Post

              Exactly what I was thinking
              A simplified version of my process, in a very small nutshell without going into the extensive details for each step:

              1. Decide on niche to promote
              Myself or my US-based team members do the initial legwork and brainwork. Sometimes it's just a matter of deciding to do more article marketing in a niche we're already in.

              2. Outsource a list of 100 unique topics (cost: $3.00)
              Via oDesk I seek a contractor on a flat-rate basis and pay them to create a unique list of 100-200 topics for the niche we're targeting. Total out-of-pocket cost so far: $3.00

              3. Outsource article research (cost: $5.00)
              I have a team of three researchers at oDesk. They are NOT the same contractors who provide me the list. I send each of them one of the topics from the 100-item list and pay them $1.11 per hour to research those topics. The research they provide has to be authoritative in nature, stuff from Web sites associated with universities, government, expert authors and the like (no stuff from article directories, no promotional stuff, no commercial press releases, no general Google search results). Each contractor sends me a doc file with the research they found, a summary of each resource, and a link for each item. Each researcher is required to complete the task in 1.5 hours (most do it in a single hour, because I have specifically targeted a certain type of contractor who have to do that sort of research and understand authoritative vs non-authoritative sources). Total out-of-pocket cost so far: $8.00

              4. Outsource the article writing (cost: $20)
              I then send three topics from the completed research (six sources per topic = 18 sources) to each of my experienced article writers. These are NOT the list provider, nor the researchers, they ONLY write my articles -- no research required. I expect to get twenty 500-word articles from each research topic, and I pay a flat rate of $20 for the twenty articles, rejecting any that don't meet our standards (I have them re-submit new ones). Total out-of-pocket cost so far: $28.00

              I then repeat step four in groups of three research pieces at a time until I've doled them all out and have received back all of the completed articles. So I spend $3.00 on having a list created, $5.00 on research, and $1 per completed article. If I go through the entire list (which usually doesn't happen, I tend to prune off about 1/3 of the topics), I will end up with over 600 articles at a total cost of under $700.

              There are some other key elements involved in getting the best bang for your buck, including the sorts of contractors you want to target, as well as another creative step that elevates good articles to great status. But this is essentially a really stripped-down version of my approach, and it has worked well for us -- but it took a lot of mistakes to get there.
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              • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
                Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

                A simplified version of my process, in a very small nutshell without going into the extensive details for each step:

                1. Decide on niche to promote
                Myself or my US-based team members do the initial legwork and brainwork. Sometimes it's just a matter of deciding to do more article marketing in a niche we're already in.

                2. Outsource a list of 100 unique topics (cost: $3.00)
                Via oDesk I seek a contractor on a flat-rate basis and pay them to create a unique list of 100-200 topics for the niche we're targeting. Total out-of-pocket cost so far: $3.00

                3. Outsource article research (cost: $5.00)
                I have a team of three researchers at oDesk. They are NOT the same contractors who provide me the list. I send each of them one of the topics from the 100-item list and pay them $1.11 per hour to research those topics. The research they provide has to be authoritative in nature, stuff from Web sites associated with universities, government, expert authors and the like (no stuff from article directories, no promotional stuff, no commercial press releases, no general Google search results). Each contractor sends me a doc file with the research they found, a summary of each resource, and a link for each item. Each researcher is required to complete the task in 1.5 hours (most do it in a single hour, because I have specifically targeted a certain type of contractor who have to do that sort of research and understand authoritative vs non-authoritative sources). Total out-of-pocket cost so far: $8.00

                4. Outsource the article writing (cost: $20)
                I then send three topics from the completed research (six sources per topic = 18 sources) to each of my experienced article writers. These are NOT the list provider, nor the researchers, they ONLY write my articles -- no research required. I expect to get twenty 500-word articles from each research topic, and I pay a flat rate of $20 for the twenty articles, rejecting any that don't meet our standards (I have them re-submit new ones). Total out-of-pocket cost so far: $28.00

                I then repeat step four in groups of three research pieces at a time until I've doled them all out and have received back all of the completed articles. So I spend $3.00 on having a list created, $5.00 on research, and $1 per completed article. If I go through the entire list (which usually doesn't happen, I tend to prune off about 1/3 of the topics), I will end up with over 600 articles at a total cost of under $700.

                There are some other key elements involved in getting the best bang for your buck, including the sorts of contractors you want to target, as well as another creative step that elevates good articles to great status. But this is essentially a really stripped-down version of my approach, and it has worked well for us -- but it took a lot of mistakes to get there.
                Thanks Stephen, question - do your article writers create articles like the research they are given? Or do you have them create more sales-oriented content? Can you provide an example article?
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      • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
        Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

        I use a very specific method that, in my experience, has assured me the best quality articles at the lowest price. If you just dive in, you're likely to find the going difficult and the success rate to be low.
        Would you care to share your method Steven?
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  • Profile picture of the author chilliwackdesign
    I always write them myself. I've outsourced before and been unsatisfied like others on here. I couldn't jusitfy publishing some mistake ridden, poorly researched article that I paid pennies for and slapping my name on the bottom of it in hopes to make money. My best results have come from doing it myself!
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  • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
    I write all articles myself. I've had a few written for me, but they're not quite up to my scathing standards haha
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      Greetings Warriors,

      I actually found mine by accident when she was just starting out on Get-A-Freelancer. I wasn't even looking at the time but came across her ad that sounded too good to be true.

      She's one of those rare people who loves to write and, though she raised her prices slightly after establishing herself, she is still by far the best price for the quality - Her standards are actually higher than those I encountered when writing for WorldStart.com, Linux.com, and Linux Journal.

      She just started doing videos as well so we're working on the whole "article as video" angle for YouTube viral etc. She's based in Florida, is very helpful, and is the only writer I trust.

      PS: Her most popular format is the 750wd "How-To" article w/ 2 keywords for ~$10 - but she's quite versatile and known to go over 800wds and throw in other extras for good clients. Let me know if you're still in need and I'll be happy to introduce you.

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  • If you're outsourcing your articles and aren't satisfied with the work, then I'd bet you're doing it wrong. I think this way, because *I* was doing it wrong. Or perhaps you have different goals... in any case...

    I started to draft a post explaining my method for posting in this thread, but it is turning into quite the tome. I also realized that an account of my exact method is probably fairly valuable, since I've worked out all the kinks and made it into an efficient model.

    No, I'm not planning a WSO. But I am going to complete a description of the steps and that will be posted in the War Room so that I can again give back to this forum and the folks who are supporting keeping it online.
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  • Remember also to check the GFI on your articles. A GFI of 12 is appropriate for just about any general article you're going to submit to a directory under a pseudonym, while you'd target a higher GFI for more scholarly and authoritative pieces.

    Many, many low-cost (relative to US dollars) can easily produce articles with a GFI of 12 or higher.
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    • Profile picture of the author smwordsmith
      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      Remember also to check the GFI on your articles. A GFI of 12 is appropriate for just about any general article you're going to submit to a directory under a pseudonym, while you'd target a higher GFI for more scholarly and authoritative pieces.

      Many, many low-cost (relative to US dollars) can easily produce articles with a GFI of 12 or higher.
      I have never heard of "GFI". Would you mind explaining this?

      Thanks.
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      • Originally Posted by smwordsmith View Post

        I have never heard of "GFI". Would you mind explaining this?
        Oops, sorry for the acronym without explanation. It is a measure of readability called the Gunning Fog Index. You can read about it here:

        Gunning fog index

        Oh, and I see I made a typo in the post you quoted. The last line should have ACTUALLY read:
        Many, many low-cost (relative to US dollars) can easily produce articles with a GFI of 9 or higher.
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  • Hmmm, the more I work on this the more it looks like a WSO. Maybe I put my foot in my mouth when I said it wouldn't become one. Oh well, either way, it will be free for War Room members.
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  • Profile picture of the author sylviad
    Originally Posted by smwordsmith View Post

    Reading the forum this past week has made me very curious...

    1. Where do you get "EZine Article quality" articles?
    2. How much do you pay for that article?
    3. What do you expect to get for the money you pay?

    Thanks in advance for your time and input.
    So am I right in assuming you're actually doing market research for your own business as opposed to looking for writers? (noticed your sig)
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    • Profile picture of the author smwordsmith
      Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

      So am I right in assuming you're actually doing market research for your own business as opposed to looking for writers? (noticed your sig)
      Actually what prompted this 'survey' was the lively conversation started by a warrior who posted re: the response he received when he 'low balled' authors for Constant Content articles.

      As a writer/ghostwriter, I am curious as to what internet marketers want and expect in content. So, I guess it is ending up to be market research.

      It looks like there is a wide variance in the value IM-ers place on content. My observation thus far: content as simply a means to an end is perceived to be of lower worth than content used to offer value to one's readers.

      It is also reassuring to see there are a lot of warriors here who care about their content.

      Thanks, everyone, for taking the time to respond.

      And 'wow' to Steven Carl Kelly for sharing the sophisticated system he uses!
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  • Profile picture of the author bay37
    Originally Posted by smwordsmith View Post

    Reading the forum this past week has made me very curious...

    1. Where do you get "EZine Article quality" articles?
    2. How much do you pay for that article?
    3. What do you expect to get for the money you pay?

    Thanks in advance for your time and input.
    Erm...

    1. I have a number of article writers on my contacts list (found them on various IM forums and oDesk).

    2. I pay around $0.02 per word for my articles, but you can easily find "Eine quality" article writers for $0.01 word. Ezine article quality requirements are quite low.

    3. For $0.02 I expect good content.
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    • Profile picture of the author smwordsmith
      Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

      Erm...

      1. I have a number of article writers on my contacts list (found them on various IM forums and oDesk).

      2. I pay around $0.02 per word for my articles, but you can easily find "Eine quality" article writers for $0.01 word. Ezine article quality requirements are quite low.

      3. For $0.02 I expect good content.
      I certainly agree with you that EZA quality requirements are quite low!

      Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author LauraJames
    I write my own articles. I like to write. Plus, I have received some nice compliments about some articles/blog posts I have written, which I appreciate. My biggest issue is trying to come up with ideas. Like everyone, some topics come more easily than others. I also enjoy adding appropriate photographs to blog posts. Of course, I do not add photographs to Ezines articles.
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    I write mine myself
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    I generally buy from Elance and Freelancer. I pay around $3-$4 per article, also there are various good writers right here at warrior forum
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    • Profile picture of the author smwordsmith
      Originally Posted by logojah View Post

      I personally love textbroker.... Give them a shot
      I have written for Textbroker. What I like about this service is:

      1. As a buyer, you can order the quality you want and pay for that quality.

      2. You don't have to pay if the article did not meet your stated requirements.

      3. As an author, you can choice to accept or decline the article orders.

      4. As a 'learning' author, your work is reviewed by the editors and recommendations for improvement are made.

      The downside is, there is a middleman. But, that can also be a positive thing.
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  • The articles are generally like the content. If I want anything that is more aimed at directly selling, I have one of my US-based team either tweak an article or write it from scratch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      The articles are generally like the content. If I want anything that is more aimed at directly selling, I have one of my US-based team either tweak an article or write it from scratch.
      Do the articles that look like the original content get a lot of clicks usually? I'm guessing they rank fairly well? Do you do a lot of link building to your articles once they're up on article directories?

      Thanks
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      • Originally Posted by Christian Little View Post

        Do the articles that look like the original content get a lot of clicks usually? I'm guessing they rank fairly well? Do you do a lot of link building to your articles once they're up on article directories?
        Understand that the articles produced from the original sources don't mimic the original sources or copy their content. The original sources are authoritative informational resources, such as the Mayo Clinic. If I were having articles written about weight loss, then research on weight loss done by the Mayo Clinic might be referenced within the articles.

        The sources are used for research purposes, not actual content.

        And no, we don't bother with link building to article directories. Since we're targeting the same keywords on both our own sites and in the articles, we focus on building links to OUR sites, not the article's.
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  • Profile picture of the author jelfey
    every writer has its own style of writing..if you are a writer most probably hiring an outsource writer will take you more time finding ones that are good enough or probably those that meet your standards...i have tried outsourcing writers in different sites with different rates and with my experience about good writers if you treasure them as part of your company to make your business grow, you have to pay them good enough or else they will find somebody to hire them for a good compensation.

    article marketing can be one way to upgrade your site on google but there are other ways other than article marketing...and there are sites that are not so strict in guidelines in accepting articles that can drive better traffic to your site.
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    are you familiar with the link wheel? that is what they do...
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    • Profile picture of the author smwordsmith
      Originally Posted by jelfey View Post

      are you familiar with the link wheel? that is what they do...
      Yes, I am familiar with this concept. Just never heard it called "the link wheel".

      Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gail Ogden
    Try "article-writer.team-schuman" sorry can't post links yet its a .com. They are pretty good I don't have any association with them just have used them a couple of times
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  • Profile picture of the author Vijay M
    I write in niches that interest me, all others are outsourced mostly to other warriors .
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyler Abernethy
    fiverr.com is a great way to get cheap keyword stuffed articles and have them submitted to ezine, etc.

    As for the content i would expect..

    nothing to fancy, something that reads and has a couple of informative points throughout.. which i usually inform the writer of

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