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Hello Warriors!

There are many Web Developers who will surely agree to this fact that IE is a headache for them. Whenever it comes to style-sheet, IE starts showing problems. I have been into this field for sometimes now and have always given an extra time to solve problems of websites in IE.

Why don't people Boycott IE? What is that in IE that other browsers lack?
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  • Profile picture of the author AnthonyKrese
    Yeah, IE is a pain. I'm not sure why, but I don't think IE follows web standards.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick
    IE is a BIG pain. You have to add CSS lines ONLY for IE.

    Unfortunately, we cannot give up unless Microsoft gives up.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Louis Monk
      Originally Posted by schwarzes View Post

      IE is a BIG pain. You have to add CSS lines ONLY for IE.

      Unfortunately, we cannot give up unless Microsoft gives up.

      Hello schwarzes

      Are there many extra lines you know of needed for for IE in CSS.
      Has someone posted a list in programming section? This sounds like something I ought to know about as I have differences in appearance between some of my sites as they appear in IE and Firefox I am living with for now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emilis Strimaitis
    Why don't people Boycott IE? What is that in IE that other browsers lack?
    Speed, flexibility, features, you name it

    Let's say tabs. Opera had them for ages, then mozilla picked them up, and after great amount of time IE came up with this idea "we need tabs".

    Addons. Same story like tabs.

    Internet explorer is not so flexible and customizable like Chrome, Firefox etc, and Microsoft adds new stuff to IE when that stuff is already became a standard of all decent browsers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
      Originally Posted by Emilis Strimaitis View Post

      Speed, flexibility, features, you name it

      Let's say tabs. Opera had them for ages, then mozilla picked them up, and after great amount of time IE came up with this idea "we need tabs".

      Addons. Same story like tabs.

      Internet explorer is not so flexible and customizable like Chrome, Firefox etc, and Microsoft adds new stuff to IE when that stuff is already became a standard of all decent browsers.
      So you are actually attacking or defending IE? :confused:

      I really hate how slow my PC gets when I open IE
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan O'Neil
    Originally Posted by fazlerocks View Post

    Why don't people Boycott IE? What is that in IE that other browsers lack?
    One reason: it's got the market share.

    We can boycott IE as much as we like, and if we're (very) successful then perhaps we'll manage to turn 1% of IE users to Chrome or Firefox. But the average IE user (think someone who knows nothing about tech or internet, buys their computer that ships with Windows - and thus IE - and would never find a place like Warrior Forum) is still going to use IE.

    Lucky for us - the situation has been constantly improving and IE's market share has been dropping for a while. But this job can be done (and is done) only by their competitors and us boycotting IE won't matter a whole lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    never use anything other than IE and never will

    Dont care how much trouble it gives developers thats your problem not the problem of the end user.

    If you ask most computer owners which browser they use the answer will be "whats a browser"
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    • Profile picture of the author falco
      I see 3 reasons:

      1. IE was the first one, so it had a headstart before it's main serious competitors, like mozilla, opera, etc.

      2. IE have powerful free advertising because it is included in windows OS.

      3. There are many users, who don't use web browsers seriously (10+ tabs at the same time, custom settings, etc.) and they don't see any reason why they should change standard web browser.
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    • Profile picture of the author Evan-M
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      never use anything other than IE and never will

      Dont care how much trouble it gives developers thats your problem not the problem of the end user.

      If you ask most computer owners which browser they use the answer will be "whats a browser"
      I don't mind coding for ie, literary takes 2 min to make a properly coded site to work in ie, ( usually less than 2 -3 additional styles container div, is always pushed down 8px more than chrome/firefox and the footer has 10 px of space under it.)

      BUT
      lets look at it this way, the quicker you can accomplish something in im, the more money you can make. and working with a tool that slows production by over 50% is just a bad business decision

      I agree most users will never install another browser as they don't know any better, but someone in this field should.


      speed stats

      Browser compare using browser javascript benchmark HERE.

      Chrome 0.2.149.27:
      MD5 Benchmark took 0.208 seconds for 3000 hashes (14423 hashes/second)
      MD4 Benchmark took 0.139 seconds for 2700 hashes (19424 hashes/second)
      SHA1 Benchmark took 0.167 seconds for 1900 hashes (11377 hashes/second)
      Fast, but can't use my Firefox extensions.

      Firefox 3.0.5:
      MD5 Benchmark took 0.578 seconds for 3000 hashes (5190 hashes/second)
      MD4 Benchmark took 0.403 seconds for 2700 hashes (6700 hashes/second)
      SHA1 Benchmark took 0.643 seconds for 1900 hashes (2955 hashes/second)
      Seems to be the best choice, but I'll try Minefield for awhile.

      Minefield (Firefox 3.0.5-based, said to be "faster than Chrome". Tho SSE2 optimizations might indeed help in other situations, and all my browser plugins work with this):
      MD5 Benchmark took 0.597 seconds for 3000 hashes (5025 hashes/second)
      MD4 Benchmark took 0.422 seconds for 2700 hashes (6398 hashes/second)
      SHA1 Benchmark took 0.631 seconds for 1900 hashes (3011 hashes/second)
      Despite these numbers, it feels faster than Firefox. Possible placebo effect. Mousewheel seems to interrupt slower, but that may have been to the delicious add-on data migration that was happening.

      Apple Safari 3.2.1:
      MD5 Benchmark took 0.884 seconds for 3000 hashes (3394 hashes/second)
      MD4 Benchmark took 0.612 seconds for 2700 hashes (4412 hashes/second)
      SHA1 Benchmark took 0.82 seconds for 1900 hashes (2317 hashes/second)

      Opera 9.25:
      MD5 Benchmark took 1.672 seconds for 3000 hashes (1794 hashes/second)
      MD4 Benchmark took 1.187 seconds for 2700 hashes (2275 hashes/second)
      SHA1 Benchmark took 1.672 seconds for 1900 hashes (1136 hashes/second)

      Firefox 2.0.0.16:
      MD5 Benchmark took 2.14 seconds for 3000 hashes (1402 hashes/second)
      MD4 Benchmark took 1.547 seconds for 2700 hashes (1745 hashes/second)
      SHA1 Benchmark took 2.312 seconds for 1900 hashes (822 hashes/second)

      Internet Explorer 7.0.5730.13:
      MD5 Benchmark took 3.156 seconds for 3000 hashes (951 hashes/second) (BROWSER ERORR POPUP)
      MD4 Benchmark took 4.329 seconds for 2700 hashes (624 hashes/second)
      SHA1 Benchmark took 3.109 seconds for 1900 hashes (611 hashes/second)
      Definitely the slowest! Even slower if you were to add in the time it took for me to say "don't abort this script" after it computed the first benchmark.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
        Originally Posted by Evan-M View Post

        I don't mind coding for ie, literary takes 2 min to make a properly coded site to work in ie, ( usually less than 2 -3 additional styles container div, is always pushed down 8px more than chrome/firefox and the footer has 10 px of space under it.)

        BUT

        on the end users side, they are working with a browser thats 50-60% slower than chrome, and what does ie even bring to the table other than " i saved 30 seconds of my time not having to download a browser "

        lets look at it this way, the quicker you can accomplish something in im, the more money you can make. and working with a tool that slows production by over 50% is just a bad business decision

        I agree most users will never install another browser as they don't know any better, but someone in this field should.


        speed stats:
        Really?

        I can put up a really strenous argument that people in this field shouldn't

        Firefox costs you sales and referrals and even slows down your list building efforts, some of the addons stop people seeing your java script payment buttons your subscribe forms and many other things.

        You can argue thats because someone doesnt know how to set it up properly and that may be true but its a fact that a lot of people are losing sales and subscribers because they sell firefox to people doing IM

        When your support desk starts getting (i wanted to buy your product but i could'nt see your payment button) the answer will be they use firefox with noscript turned on

        At the end of the day the browser choice is subjective its a personal choice no more no less

        I dont like firefox for all the reasons people here dont like IE, its slow and unsecure its not nearly as intuitive to use as IE.

        Its what people get used to plain and simple

        Personally I wish there was only one browser IE

        PS: Evan I have been doing this IM thing full time for 10 years I dont make bad business decisions my programmers and dsesigners need to have all those broswers to check evrything is working across all browsers but me i just need the one
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        • Profile picture of the author Evan-M
          Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

          Really?

          I can put up a really strenous argument that people in this field shouldn't

          Firefox costs you sales and referrals and even slows down your list building efforts, some of the addons stop people seeing your java script payment buttons your subscribe forms and many other things.

          You can argue thats because someone doesnt know how to set it up properly and that may be true but its a fact that a lot of people are losing sales and subscribers because they sell firefox to people doing IM

          When your support desk starts getting (i wanted to buy your product but i could'nt see your payment button) the answer will be they use firefox with noscript turned on

          At the end of the day the browser choice is subjective its a personal choice no more no less

          I dont like firefox for all the reasons people here dont like IE, its slow and unsecure
          its not nearly as intuitive to use as IE.

          Its what people get used to plain and simple

          Personally I wish there was only one browser IE

          PS: Evan I have been doing this IM thing full time for 10 years I dont make bad business decisions my programmers and dsesigners need to have all those broswers to check evrything is working across all browsers but me i just need the one
          I don't like Firefox either personally, but nothing holds a candle to chrome. (id bet on it, that if you try chrome and use it for a few days , you would never open ie again other than tro make sure your buy now button is working lol )

          but then again, if users cannot see your buttons in Firefox, they more than likely cannot in chrome either. or any other browser for that matter.

          Like said above , ie has code that works for ie, and ie only, and by the sounds out it, you are using that code.

          just curious, as to why you wouldn't want to take the time to make it work in ALL browsers? like you said above , its the developers problem. when your adding a buy niow button, your considered the developer.

          for every 1 person that emailed you to let you know the buttons not working, 100 just left.


          we have something in common also 10 years last month for me I just love not having to get up and go to work. and being able to be on a conference call with a milti million dollar franchises in my underwear while they are around a desk in suits lol! ( don't act like you all haven't done it lol )
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Barker
    I agree with you 100%. I have switched to Google Chrome with great success. I don't have any complaints. And it is free.
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  • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
    IE has almost nothing better than Chrome or Firefox. But still IE has the majority users because it's coming inbuilt with windows and most of the users don't try to install another browser (chrome , firefox, etc).
    It is a good example for how a good marketing can promote even a bad product
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  • Profile picture of the author indiatext
    according to me its very much traditional...its better to go for other browsers...I have already boycotted it...
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  • Profile picture of the author mygold
    Originally Posted by fazlerocks View Post

    Why don't people Boycott IE? What is that in IE that other browsers lack?
    People can not boycott IE if they want. As we all know that IE is the product of Microsoft and most of us uses operating system lunched by microsoft. Fact is that..............

    But don't worry mate, I personally dislike IE, likes mozilla.
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  • Profile picture of the author fazlerocks
    Creating an Awareness among end users about the IE will do good. Webmasters and the whole Internet cannot suffer because of this buggy IE.

    If Microsoft thinks itself to be so strong enough and can create successful OS like Windows XP. Why doesn't it upgrades IE from all CSS bugs?? Is it that Microsoft is least interested in this?

    People pay for a Windows OS which also includes IE and get a buggy Browser.. While on the other hand they get a browser which is Open source, Free of cost, strong and without any bugs!!! Is it not cheating the End users?
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  • Profile picture of the author st271
    I find IE very slow so I haven't used it since the 1990's. Firefox is much better in my opinion.
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