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15 years ago

Hi Lyper

You are right - you sure don't get it.

My ebooks have valuable content that people are prepared to pay for. It's that simple. I make sales daily with my ebooks. What's the problem?

Maybe your convictions will make you the new Amazon Expert. You should certainly focus on something you believe in.

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st271

15 years ago

Most ebooks are ridiculously overpriced especially the ones on making money.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

Most ebooks are ridiculously overpriced especially the ones on making money.

That's exactly what I mean... I was going to promote a ebook that cost 120$. Why would anyone buy this?

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Originally Posted by Lyper

That's exactly what I mean... I was going to promote a ebook that cost 120$. Why would anyone buy this?

Because some people find value in them - how else?

Aren't you good at recognizing quality? If so, find quality things to promote and discard things you regard as low quality.
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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

Most ebooks are ridiculously overpriced especially the ones on making money.

How much should they cost?

Originally Posted by Lyper

That's exactly what I mean... I was going to promote a ebook that cost 120$. Why would anyone buy this?

If a book can teach me something that can give me a return on the investment, then it is worth it.

I bought a 77 dollar ebook once which taught me a cool trick which resulted in me making roughly 7k in one week.

Was that book over priced? I didn't even do everything the book had to offer. Imagine if I did.

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Lyper

15 years ago

I will precise tho, my main and pretty much only hobby/expertise come from programming, computer hardware and programming. I can't think of buying an ebook on any of theses things, as information is pretty much all open source.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I will precise tho, my main and pretty much only hobby/expertise come from programming, computer hardware and programming. I can't think of buying an ebook on any of theses things, as information is pretty much all open source.

Well, no. Not specific information from people you trust. They are wise enough to put a price tag on profitable information. Things that might take someone months to figure out and money to invest.

Compiled information is all about saving time - which is more valuable than money.

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Tina Golden

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I will precise tho, my main and pretty much only hobby/expertise come from programming, computer hardware and programming. I can't think of buying an ebook on any of theses things, as information is pretty much all open source.

So if you need to learn a specific programming technique, is it really worth spending hours searching for the info you need when you could spend $50 to someone who created an ebook telling you exactly how to do that technique?

Say it takes you 5 hours of searching compared to spending $50, is that an even trade to you? If so, then keep looking on your own and never buy information.

Some of us value our time more highly than that, though.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tina Golden

So if you need to learn a specific programming technique, is it really worth spending hours searching for the info you need when you could spend $50 to someone who created an ebook telling you exactly how to do that technique?

Say it takes you 5 hours of searching compared to spending $50, is that an even trade to you? If so, then keep looking on your own and never buy information.

Some of us value our time more highly than that, though.

A specific programming technique? What is that even supposed to be? If I want to program C, I will simply get the best .pdf I can find, which is K&R in this case. For Python, I will use Dive into python, free internet information.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

A specific programming technique? What is that even supposed to be? If I want to program C, I will simply get the best .pdf I can find, which is K&R in this case. For Python, I will use Dive into python, free internet information.

Definition of EXAMPLE

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: a parallel or closely similar case especially when serving as a precedent or model

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: an instance (as a problem to be solved) serving to illustrate a rule or precept or to act as an exercise in the application of a rule

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tina Golden

Definition of EXAMPLE

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: a parallel or closely similar case especially when serving as a precedent or model

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: an instance (as a problem to be solved) serving to illustrate a rule or precept or to act as an exercise in the application of a rule

A specific programming technique does not really exist. It's all about making your code efficient and if open source, easy to edit via good structure and good notes. You program or you don't. Now let's please drop this argument, as it contributes nothing to the thread.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I will precise tho, my main and pretty much only hobby/expertise come from programming, computer hardware and programming. I can't think of buying an ebook on any of theses things, as information is pretty much all open source.

Have you ever heard, "time is money"?

There is just so much of it that you have and no one in the entire world has more than 24 hours a day.

I would rather buy one organized book that covers everything and has it all in one place rather than looking around thousands of websites.

Here's an example:

I can get a specific information for $17 in an ebook.

I don't want to pay for it so I will start researching and looking online. I will spend 3-5 hours researching "if lucky" I will find the exact information in the book. Great!

But wait a minute, I just wasted 3-5 hours. The federal minimum wage in US is $7.25

So you technically just wasted $21-36.

Make sense?

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq

Have you ever heard, "time is money"?

There is just so much of it that you have and no one in the entire world has more than 24 hours a day.

I would rather buy one organized book that covers everything and has it all in one place rather than looking around thousands of websites.

Here's an example:

I can get a specific information for $17 in an ebook.

I don't want to pay for it so I will start researching and looking online. I will spend 3-5 hours researching "if lucky" I will find the exact information in the book. Great!

But wait a minute, I just wasted 3-5 hours. The federal minimum wage in US is $7.25

So you technically just wasted $21-36.

Make sense?

The thread is really changing places, but why do you think open source is bad? Is windows supposed to be better than a linux distro because it cost 300$ more?

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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

The thread is really changing places, but why do you think open source is bad? Is windows supposed to be better than a linux distro because it cost 300$ more?

Well, we all know Mac is superior, but I won't go into that. :p

One of the benefits of open source is that it is free, so a lot of people can use it. Unfortunately, one of the downfalls of opensource is that it is free - lol, which opens it up to people quickly learning to hack it and use that to attack anyone else using the open source.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Well, we all know Mac is superior, but I won't go into that. :p

One of the benefits of open source is that it is free, so a lot of people can use it. Unfortunately, one of the downfalls of opensource is that it is free - lol, which opens it up to people quickly learning to hack it and use that to attack anyone else using the open source.

You obviously have ABSOLUTELY no clue what you're talking about here, so let's stick to IM.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

You obviously have ABSOLUTELY no clue what you're talking about here, so let's stick to IM.

Hmm... I would say you don't have a clue either. Why do you think so many programming books sell on Amazon? Let's not forget all the videos dedicated to programming.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Hmm... I would say you don't have a clue either. Why do you think so many programming books sell on Amazon?

Books are NOT ebooks. They are approved by people that know what programing is and the book are written by people having real competence.

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Originally Posted by Lyper

Books are NOT ebooks. They are approved by people that know what programing is and the book are written by people having real competence.

You can purchase programming books in both, book or EBOOK, format on Amazon. I purchased many ebooks on programming to get me started in a new language.

Ebooks, in a variety of markets, are written by competent people with experience.
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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Books are NOT ebooks. They are approved by people that know what programing is and the book are written by people having real competence.

Hmm, you sure about that?

And what is the difference - lets say - if a book is made in hard cover and then offered in an electronic version too on amazon.

I thought the electronic version qualified it now as an ebook.

But alas, I have been outed and have no clue.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Hmm, you sure about that?

And what is the difference - lets say - if a book is made in hard cover and then offered in an electronic version too on amazon.

I thought the electronic version qualified it now as an ebook.

But alas, I have been outed and have no clue.

I wouldn't know, I won't buy something I can get for free.

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Originally Posted by Lyper

I wouldn't know, I won't buy something I can get for free.

You making a lot of money online with your approach?
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  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap
  
  You making a lot of money online with your approach?
  
  I don't know, haven't started yet. However, my learning in other aspect of my life are going fine.
  
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  I don't know, haven't started yet. However, my learning in other aspect of my life are going fine.
  
  I have purchased a lot of ebooks and it helped me speed up the learning curve and has helped me to make more money.
  
  You already have your belief system in place and I doubt that will change. I don't see why you even asked the question in the first place since you seem to think you are right and we are all wrong.
  
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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I wouldn't know, I won't buy something I can get for free.

So you are saying as soon as something is made into an ebook format, you can get it for free?

Please clarify.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

So you are saying as soon as something is made into an ebook format, you can get it for free?

Please clarify.

No, I believe they meant why purchase products while you can Google parts of the info and piece it together.

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Mohammad Afaq 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

No, I believe they meant why purchase products while you can Google parts of the info and piece it together.

Yup you're right:

the thing that is needed more than the books themselves are a brain and google-fu.

Like I said before, I would rather pay the darn $10-20 whatever it is to get the information rather than spending 10 hours trying to find all the information and putting all the pieces of puzzle together. I hate jigsaws
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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

No, I believe they meant why purchase products while you can Google parts of the info and piece it together.

I'm guessing the OP is quite young then?

I am pretty darn good with Google (I think) and can find a lot of stuff. But not all of it is in the same place and some things have taken weeks to put together.

I enjoy reading MMO books. I like to see different personalities come out, I like to see variations of things I might not have thought of or put together. I like that I can have a huge library on a hard drive as opposed to lugging it across country. And trust me, I have moved many times in the past few years and travel quite a bit.

I know others are lazy like me, and sometimes just want an answer and don't want to search from here to eternity to find it.

I also know not every little tactic or new thing discovered is open source and spelled out for me somewhere.

I know I am not alone. I know there are people like me who like to buy ebooks and who like to sell them too. That the information in them can help you - if you get the right book and know what you are looking for.

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Tom B

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Originally Posted by avenuegirl

I'm guessing the OP is quite young then?

I am pretty darn good with Google (I think) and can find a lot of stuff. But not all of it is in the same place and some things have taken weeks to put together.

I enjoy reading MMO books. I like to see different personalities come out, I like to see variations of things I might not have thought of or put together. I like that I can have a huge library on a hard drive as opposed to lugging it across country. And trust me, I have moved many times in the past few years and travel quite a bit.

I know others are lazy like me, and sometimes just want an answer and don't want to search from here to eternity to find it.

I also know not every little tactic or new thing discovered is open source and spelled out for me somewhere.

I know I am not alone. I know there are people like me who like to buy ebooks and who like to sell them too. That the information in them can help you - if you get the right book and know what you are looking for.

Maybe young. There are people out there that think everything should be free.

Whatever works for them. I know I save a lot of my time by using books or ebooks. That is what matters to me.

The OP will do what works for him/her.

I don't think this post was about trying to understand.

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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Thanks, someone coming back on the thread.

:confused:

lol, I may need to start earlier than usual with the drinks today.

Originally Posted by st271

No I've never been to college. I left school as soon as I possibly could.

I think ebooks should be priced in line with books found in bookshops.

Take a book like "Think and Grow Rich" by Napolean Hill. I think you'd be shocked if you picked up a copy and saw a price tag of $47 or $77 on the back. I think may other people in the bookstore would be shocked too and be wondering what was going on.

You can buy great books in bookshops containing great information for $9.95. Pricing an ebook at $47 is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Well, T&GR is Public Domain. But, what you find now on the book shelves in general is not the unedited original version. It is typically updated or blended with new insight or information. Heck, I have an audio version of this book and it is of whopping size. It has a ton of added information and is easier to consume than the original. So, there are costs. Costs to hire the guy to tell the story, costs to use some of the added information or to take the time to research and compile the added information, costs for the cd printing and distribution, costs for the guy working in the shop to maintain the equipment which burns the cds, etc etc.

Just because something is free to you does not mean it is free to someone else to produce.

Even the free ebooks you might download from someone. Those in general are created with intent of monetizing from the reader at some point down the road - even if that does not happen for several years. There may be one or two exceptions to the rule, but money is what we all need in the end here.

I love the dollar store, don't get me wrong. But I also take no issue with spending much more on items that have the same function but are of much better quality.

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Mohammad Afaq

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

You obviously have ABSOLUTELY no clue what you're talking about here, so let's stick to IM.

You know what, you don't know what you are talking about.

First you say ebooks suck, then you say all the information in programming/technology niche is open source, then you all of a sudden start talking about linux vs. windows (thus software) and then you tell Jill she doesn't know what she is talking about because she is talking about open source software?????

You are not doing a good enough job of explaining what exactly you are talking about.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq

You know what, you don't know what you are talking about.

First you say ebooks suck, then you say all the information in programming/technology niche is open source, then you all of a sudden start talking about linux vs. windows (thus software) and then you tell Jill she doesn't know what she is talking about because she is talking about open source software?????

You are not doing a good enough job of explaining what exactly you are talking about.

Never said ebooks were worthless, just promoting other's work is. Also, I don't like the idea of really expensive ebooks, but I can see the appeal for some. As for programming coding books, the thing that is needed more than the books themselves are a brain and google-fu.

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Originally Posted by Lyper

You obviously have ABSOLUTELY no clue what you're talking about here, so let's stick to IM.

ROFLMAO - OMG, I've been figured out!
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Jake Gray

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

You obviously have ABSOLUTELY no clue what you're talking about here, so let's stick to IM.

NO. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Ask yourself this question. Do you think they'd charge you to code their language? Before calling someone out who actually has a valid point, I'd recommend doing a bit more research. Most languages such as Python, Java have extensive documentation for a reason.

Clueless still?

Education shouldn't be free, especially on the internet. If someone teaches you a method where you could apply it and make nice amounts of cash, there is no reason you should be getting it for free.

Stop with the silly pointing fingers game.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jake Gray

NO. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Ask yourself this question. Do you think they'd charge you to code their language? Before calling someone out who actually has a valid point, I'd recommend doing a bit more research. Most languages such as Python, Java have extensive documentation for a reason.

Clueless still?

Education shouldn't be free, especially on the internet. If someone teaches you a method where you could apply it and make nice amounts of cash, there is no reason you should be getting it for free.

Stop with the silly pointing fingers game.

Jake

Uh, thanks for saying a second time what I said. Really helpful!

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Lyper 15 years ago

Again, sorry for the confusion, I should have said the only ebooks I've started looking around to promote were tech/games/electronics ebooks.

Let's take a quick exemple : I want to hack my WII to put homebrew on it(an ebook I found that I could promote)

Will I use google and get the first forum post that explain in a nice way or the 60$ ebook, that will give me the same result in the same time used?

Thanks for opening my eyes in many other markets.
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Robert Puddy

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

The thread is really changing places, but why do you think open source is bad? Is windows supposed to be better than a linux distro because it cost 300$ more?

Yes because i dont have to learn anything to use it

I dont want free i want quick easy and all in one place, and i'm willing to pay to get it

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

Yes because i dont have to learn anything to use it

I dont want free i want quick easy and all in one place, and i'm willing to pay to get it

Robert Puddy, this is Ubuntu. Ubuntu, this is Robert Puddy.

It's easier and safer than windows. It's even safer/easier than mac OSX.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Robert Puddy, this is Ubuntu. Ubuntu, this is Robert Puddy.

It's easier and safer than windows. It's even safer/easier than mac OSX.

Thanks ubuntu is now sitting in the corner gathering dust along with the £2000 mac which i also coundnt be bothered to learn how to use. quicker to use what im use to thanks

And as to the research and get it free crap...if you dont know about a subject what makes you think you would be able to do the correct searches to get the right information?

And as someone who doesnt know a subject how are you going to sift through all the contradictory information out there to get to the crux of the subject?

How are you going to disseminate the fact from the fiction? or are you going to trust to luck and use the pin a tail on a donkey method?

Me I want an expert to do all that work for me and present me with a finished information product so i can actually just use it without having to work out which free bit of information was correct and which was bull

Like i said i dont want free diy research I want it now i want it all in one place and i want it sifted for red herrings and presented to me on a platter...And i'm willing to pay for it

And the last 7 words there were the key why ebooks sell

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

Thanks ubuntu is now sitting in the corner gathering dust along with the £2000 mac which i also coundnt be bothered to learn how to use. quicker to use what im use to thanks

And as to the research and get it free crap...if you dont know about a subject what makes you think you would be able to do the correct searches to get the right information?

And as someone who doesnt know a subject how are you going to sift through all the contradictory information out there to get to the crux of the subject?

How are you going to disseminate the fact from the fiction? or are you going to trust to luck and use the pin a tail on a donkey method?

Me I want an expert to do all that work for me and present me with a finished information product so i can actually just use it without having to work out which free bit of information was correct and which was bull

Like i said i dont want free diy research I want it now i want it all in one place and i want it sifted for red herrings and presented to me on a platter...And i'm willing to pay for it

And the last 7 words there were the key why ebooks sell

Oh don't get me wrong, I have a VM of OSX and a partition for windows, I just don't pay for them. Same thing with many books. But that's just because I don't have the money for bad things, if something is good and I use it, I pay for it. Also, why do you trust ebook creators? I GUESS most of it is unverified scam. Correct me if wrong.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Oh don't get me wrong, I have a VM of OSX and a partition for windows, I just don't pay for them. Same thing with many books. But that's just because I don't have the money for bad things, if something is good and I use it, I pay for it. Also, why do you trust ebook creators? I GUESS most of it is unverified scam. Correct me if wrong.

Yes, it is all unverified but all a scam. Every last one of us here. Especially me.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Oh don't get me wrong, I have a VM of OSX and a partition for windows, I just don't pay for them. Same thing with many books. But that's just because I don't have the money for bad things, if something is good and I use it, I pay for it. Also, why do you trust ebook creators? I GUESS most of it is unverified scam. Correct me if wrong.

Yes well guess again...

And im interested in why your even on this forum if you think like you do

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Originally Posted by Lyper

Oh don't get me wrong, I have a VM of OSX and a partition for windows, I just don't pay for them. Same thing with many books. But that's just because I don't have the money for bad things, if something is good and I use it, I pay for it. Also, why do you trust ebook creators? I GUESS most of it is unverified scam. Correct me if wrong.

So what are you saying exactly? That you steal bad ebooks and then pay for them if you decide that they are good?

Why would I trust ebook creators?
Because I do business on here with people that I have come to like and respect and when I purchase their products, I have never been disappointed. If you just buy (or steal) anything from anyone, you might get crappy information (and you might not). There are a lot of people on here that know a lot more about specific topics than I do and I'm more than happy to pay for the education.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Also, why do you trust ebook creators? I GUESS most of it is unverified scam. Correct me if wrong.

You are wrong so consider yourself corrected.

I have bought many ebooks and I can tell you that most of them are not a scam. In fact, if it wasn't for ebooks I would not be sitting in front of my computer in my PJ's every day earning the money to pay our bills instead of sitting in a cube being subjected to corporate politics.

But, the people that usually go around proclaiming that all ebooks are a scam are usually the ones that are too lazy to take action on anything of the techniques in the ebook (speaking of MMO ebooks here, of course).

For me, time is money so being able to pay $37 for an ebook is well worth it if it saves me countless hours of searching the internet to try to figure out how to do something.

Perhaps your time is just not that valuable to you?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by cashcow

You are wrong so consider yourself corrected.

I have bought many ebooks and I can tell you that most of them are not a scam. In fact, if it wasn't for ebooks I would not be sitting in front of my computer in my PJ's every day earning the money to pay our bills instead of sitting in a cube being subjected to corporate politics.

But, the people that usually go around proclaiming that all ebooks are a scam are usually the ones that are too lazy to take action on anything of the techniques in the ebook (speaking of MMO ebooks here, of course).

For me, time is money so being able to pay $37 for an ebook is well worth it if it saves me countless hours of searching the internet to try to figure out how to do something.

Perhaps your time is just not that valuable to you?

Lee

It is, my problem would reside in 200$ ebooks. This is just a silly pricetag. I will probably buy a warrior's ebook on getting started, I just won't pay more than 100$ for it. As I stated in this mess earlier, my problem is with tech/programming ebooks. I stand corrected in some ways, thanks for your telling me your opinion.

So, I think ebooks are not useless in some niche. But again, I'm a man of science and exact information and rigorous verification, I hate misleading information. Thanks everyone, I'm off to work.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

As I stated in this mess earlier, my problem is with tech/programming ebooks. I stand corrected in some ways, thanks for your telling me your opinion.

So, I think ebooks are not useless in some niche. But again, I'm a man of science and exact information and rigorous verification, I hate misleading information. Thanks everyone, I'm off to work.

Really? I used to be a software engineer and I never had a problem paying for tech/programming books neither did any of my associates. You don't have any programming books that you use at work - ebook or otherwise?

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cashcow

Really? I used to be a software engineer and I never had a problem paying for tech/programming books neither did any of my associates. You don't have any programming books that you use at work - ebook or otherwise?

I came to take a look before work after taking a shower. Programming is nothing else than a hobby for my OWN needs. I do not need books. I am young and working in a gas station, as I am in university to be chem chemist or physician.

And if I'm too stupid, I'll simply get Chem eng.

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ShellyJo

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I came to take a look before work after taking a shower. Programming is nothing else than a hobby for my OWN needs. I do not need books. I am young and working in a gas station, as I am in university to be chem chemist or physician.

And if I'm too stupid, I'll simply get Chem eng.

When did they stop using books in school?

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Mohammad Afaq

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

It is, my problem would reside in 200$ ebooks. This is just a silly pricetag. I will probably buy a warrior's ebook on getting started, I just won't pay more than 100$ for it. As I stated in this mess earlier, my problem is with tech/programming ebooks. I stand corrected in some ways, thanks for your telling me your opinion.

So, I think ebooks are not useless in some niche. But again, I'm a man of science and exact information and rigorous verification, I hate misleading information. Thanks everyone, I'm off to work.

Thanks everyone, I'm off to work.

Funny you started the thread, got everyone away from their work and now you are off to your own work

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Mohammad Afaq

15 years ago

Okay let's stop feeding the troll.

If he were to understand he should have done so by now. There are three page full of posts justifying why ebooks aren't crap and hey I think he has enough to make his decision.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq

Okay let's stop feeding the troll.

If he were to understand he should have done so by now. There are three page full of posts justifying why ebooks aren't crap and hey I think he has enough to make his decision.

Not an ounce of trolling in all my posts, sir.

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Alan Petersen 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Not an ounce of trolling in all my posts, sir.

Well, if I were to go to a forum of romance book writers and started a post on how those books are all dreck and a waste of time.

And they're bunch of losers for writing and selling it... I would think the response would be similar to what you're getting here.

And you knew that since you even wrote that you were probably "going to hurt someone's feelings".

So don't be surprised that you're being perceived as a troll. Even if that truly wasn't you're intention. It comes out that way.

Why else post in a forum where a lot of e-book publishers hangout and insult their work?

If you don't get it, no biggie. Don't buy any e-books. But a lot of us do find value in e-books. There are good ones and bad ones... just like anything. I've read fiction books even classics I can't put down and others I couldn't finish.

JD Salinger's "Catcher in the Rye" which I think is pretty good book, has almost 300 one-star reviews on Amazon. People who believe the book sucked and it was "overrated". Wow. A classic. But not everyone's cup of tea.

So there you go. You don't have to get it. But you don't have to insult those who do get it and those who publish it.
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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I will precise tho, my main and pretty much only hobby/expertise come from programming, computer hardware and programming. I can't think of buying an ebook on any of theses things, as information is pretty much all open source.

I have a brother who expresses similar views as to what you have expressed in this thread. He loves fooling around with programming languages, reads loads of books on the subject, and works for a big Internet company working on programming projects and what not. He views selling ebooks as a big scam, but, mostly, I think - and I could be wrong - out of ignorance and possibly with an underlying recognition of the notion that he is envious of those who do take a chance and build a business of their own, rather than relying on others for employment.

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Colin Palfrey

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I will precise tho, my main and pretty much only hobby/expertise come from programming, computer hardware and programming. I can't think of buying an ebook on any of theses things, as information is pretty much all open source.

As you already know all about those subjects then an ebook about them may well be worthless to you.

Of course, this assumes you never buy magazines on the subject and that there is nothing new for you to learn.

Even if this was true; think about an ebook that teaches you to do something you desperately need to do, but don't know how. Would the information now have value?

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Zachmo

15 years ago

ebooks can be useful because not all of them contain craps. It just depends on what ebook you choose and how you will apply its content if it is a good one.

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Lyper

15 years ago

I had another question in my OP. Can youtube be a profitable thing? I have problem with promoting other people's work, but making my own video for the entertainment of everyone is fine with me.

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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I had another question in my OP. Can youtube be a profitable thing? I have problem with promoting other people's work, but making my own video for the entertainment of everyone is fine with me.

So, if you are just going to create videos for entertainment reasons only, how do you think you would monetize on that?

To make money, you have to sell something, right?

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Kunle Olomofe 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

That's exactly what I mean... I was going to promote a ebook that cost 120$. Why would anyone buy this?

For the value the content delivers. I have sold an ebook for $119.95 that sold extremely well and changed so many people's lives for the better. I later sold the master rights to this ebook and it has become the bible on its subject matter with over 20K hits on google.com even after 10 years of its release and still over 80 million hits on bing.com to this day.

Someone is definitely finding the info worth spending money on.

Ebooks are really just the same as physical books except they are digital. The content can be pretty much the same, the fact they are called ebooks is what may be putting you off. If I wrote a physical book and sold it to you and you loved what it taught you, and I sold the same as an ebook to someone else, that loved the content, I basically accomplished the same lovely feeling

Also, using ebooks makes it possible to charge whatever the market will bear. Physical books have a sort of set market price/value of no more than $20-$30.

Finally, I guess the facts in the mainstream markets speak best...

Amazon.com that you are so happy to promote actually states on its home page that the Kindle (meant for reading ebooks) is their current No. 1 best selling product

And there are big book stores closing down in the USA in part because they failed to cater to the mainstream ebook market: Borders Stores Closing - The Wall Street Journal Online - Interactive Graphics
also see: Borders files for bankruptcy, to close stores - thestar.com

Bottom line, creating and selling good quality ebooks is actually working and from my point of view a good deed, almost no matter the price (something is way overpriced if its price isn't justified by its value) so as long as the value justifies the price and the market is ready to pay the asking price, why should you charge $7 for something that is worth at least $120? That is what I don't get

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Colin Palfrey 15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

Most ebooks are ridiculously overpriced especially the ones on making money.

Eduction is always expensive because of the doors it opens for you.

If you were to try and build a business form scratch, you could easily waste thousands on techniques or methods that don't work.

On the other hand you could buy a 'stupid' ebook written by someone that has been there and done that, tested the different theories and laid out what works.

Value is always subjective and determined by the desire for the item.

Don't forget that the value is not based on the ebooks themselves, but the knowledge they contain.
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Tina Golden

15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

Most ebooks are ridiculously overpriced especially the ones on making money.

Have you ever been to college? Textbooks are expensive and in the end you have a degree that may or may not be worth the paper it's printed on.

With make money ebooks, if you follow the method shown in the book and make $1000, what is that information worth?

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st271

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tina Golden

Have you ever been to college? Textbooks are expensive and in the end you have a degree that may or may not be worth the paper it's printed on.

With make money ebooks, if you follow the method shown in the book and make $1000, what is that information worth?

No I've never been to college. I left school as soon as I possibly could.

I think ebooks should be priced in line with books found in bookshops.

Take a book like "Think and Grow Rich" by Napolean Hill. I think you'd be shocked if you picked up a copy and saw a price tag of $47 or $77 on the back. I think may other people in the bookstore would be shocked too and be wondering what was going on.

You can buy great books in bookshops containing great information for $9.95. Pricing an ebook at $47 is just ridiculous in my opinion.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

No I've never been to college. I left school as soon as I possibly could.

I think ebooks should be priced in line with books found in bookshops.

Take a book like "Think and Grow Rich" by Napolean Hill. I think you'd be shocked if you picked up a copy and saw a price tag of $47 or $77 on the back. I think may other people in the bookstore would be shocked too and be wondering what was going on.

You can buy great books in bookshops containing great information for $9.95. Pricing an ebook at $47 is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Maybe you should regulate all product pricing? How about real estate? Cars?

I don't want to pay high prices for high quality furniture since I can get cheaper stuff at Walmart. I think all furniture should be priced the same as Walmart no matter the quality.

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st271

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Maybe you should regulate all product pricing? How about real estate? Cars?

I don't want to pay high prices for high quality furniture since I can get cheaper stuff at Walmart. I think all furniture should be priced the same as Walmart no matter the quality.

Books are different. Why is it that ebooks are priced so much higher than books in bookstores? Is the information of a lesser quality in the stores so priced lower?

No, I think greed has something to do with it.

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Tom B

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

Books are different. Why is it that ebooks are priced so much higher than books in bookstores? Is the information of a lesser quality in the stores so priced lower?

No, I think greed has something to do with it.

Why are books different?

I have bought books with specific information that could not be found in book stores.

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E books play an important role in the evolution of IM....and the evolution of noobs trying IM.
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Gail Ogden

15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

Books are different. Why is it that ebooks are priced so much higher than books in bookstores? Is the information of a lesser quality in the stores so priced lower?

No, I think greed has something to do with it.

If you can truly get a book in a bookstore for less you would be prudent to purchase it, but if can't you should not call the seller greedy just because they charge what you don't want to pay.

It seems to me the folks who want to get everything in life for free or less than market value are the ones who are greedy. Although this may change most of what is presently being sold on the internet is knowledge. So when someone expects that someone else, who highly values the worth of their knowledge (that they acquired by paying for it with either hard earned money or hard work) should charge them less, isn't that the ultimate in greedy.

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scrofford 15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

Most ebooks are ridiculously overpriced especially the ones on making money.

And you've bought MOST ebooks on making money? This statement is such a farce in that how can you possibly have bought MOST ebooks in this world on making money and read them? There are thousands. Just sayin...
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Fat Tony

15 years ago

Lyper, I understand your frustration, but I wouldn't trash all ebooks just because of their common format, or price for that matter. A majority of ebooks are rubbish, plain and simple. But if you look carefully enough, you'll find the diamonds. These are worth promoting, whether they are ebooks, videos, or webinars.

$500 a month is nothing. It's a goal that anyone who is reading these words can achieve. The problem is that if you are trying to make $500 per month off ads, you are going to need some serious traffic.

If you limit yourself to AdSense for example, with a $2 RPM average (just an example), you are going to need 250,000 pageviews per month. That's no easy feat.

If you manage to attract some media buys, a few Amazon and other reputable product reviews, then you can do $500 a month without ebooks and with a much smaller audience.

But don't limit yourself, mate. When you see quality, promote it, regardless of the media it ships on.

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Mohammad Afaq

15 years ago

You don't pay for the paper the books are printed on but you pay for the quality of the book.

Same way, when you pay for an ebook you don't pay for a pdf file but you pay for the information contained in the pdf.

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15 years ago

An ebook I wrote has been my most successful venture so far. I do not charge a ridiculous price and I think it provides value.

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Patrick

15 years ago

You sure don't get it..I sure don't get your postings too.

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Steadyon

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

At least with amazon you're promoting REAL goods...

And everything Amazon sells is worth every penny....right?

Making generalisations about markets, methods and products will not help you. You have to dig in and get specific and see there is more to it than meets the eye.

Yes there are many crap ebooks, but there are many crap physical books too.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steadyon

And everything Amazon sells is worth every penny....right?

Making generalisations about markets, methods and products will not help you. You have to dig in and get specific and see there is more to it than meets the eye.

Yes there are many crap ebooks, but there are many crap physical books too.

Thanks, someone coming back on the thread.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

... I can't do it, I just think it's retarded.

R-word.org - Change the conversation...

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Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

R-word.org - Change the conversation...

Edited, sorry.
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st271

15 years ago

Because you can't expect to buy a Ferrari for $200. Obviously with cars, furniture you pay for quality.

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Originally Posted by st271

Because you can't expect to buy a Ferrari for $200. Obviously with cars, furniture you pay for quality.

haha So all books are of the same quality, information wise?
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  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap
  
  haha So all books are of the same quality, information wise?
  
  Yet classics of litterature are around 10$, and silly ebooks can get up to 200$.
  
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  Yet classics of litterature are around 10$, and silly ebooks can get up to 200$.
  
  I made thousands from the information in ebooks priced over $200. I have yet to make any money from reading the classics.
  
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  Lyper 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap
  
  I made thousands from the information in ebooks priced over $200. I have yet to make any money from reading the classics.
  
  I won't even comment on that.
  
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  I won't even comment on that.
  
  Probably a wise decision
  
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st271

15 years ago

You could have 2 identical books containing the same content, one (paperback) priced at $7.99 the other (ebook) at $47. It's just not right.

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Tom B Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

You could have 2 identical books containing the same content, one (paperback) priced at $7.99 the other (ebook) at $47. It's just not right.

Please show me two identical books priced that way.
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Patrick 15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

You could have 2 identical books containing the same content, one (paperback) priced at $7.99 the other (ebook) at $47. It's just not right.

Well prices are decided by the creators only, there is nothing like "what do you want the price to be" otherwise everything would be free on the internet. So if the price is $47, then thats the price.

So if the ebook costs $47, then either you buy it online sitting at home, or just walk to your bookstore and buy it from there.

Simple..
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Jill Carpenter 15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

You could have 2 identical books containing the same content, one (paperback) priced at $7.99 the other (ebook) at $47. It's just not right.

If I want something NOW and I don't want to spend money on gas or time to go find it in a store, I just may spend that $47. Especially if it comes with a pretty virtual bow.

Things are priced according to what the market will bare.

If someone is getting $47 for an 8 dollar book, I say Kudos to them!
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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by st271

You could have 2 identical books containing the same content, one (paperback) priced at $7.99 the other (ebook) at $47. It's just not right.

That's a silly argument that isn't real. You have not presented us with any facts .... tell us which paperback gives you exactly the same information for $8 as a $47 ebook.

Funny, when I went to college I paid sometimes over $100 for text books that I barely even remember what I actually learned from them but that isn't the case with some ebooks I've bought for a lot less.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

That's a silly argument that isn't real.

I is serious!

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Lyper

15 years ago

I thought this was a forum, not an imageboard.

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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I thought this was a forum, not an imageboard.

I like a few pictures in my ebooks. Breaks up all the talking, and images are quite powerful sometimes.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

I like a few pictures in my ebooks. Breaks up all the talking, and images are quite powerful sometimes.

Cool story bro.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Cool story bro.

BRO ???

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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by schwarzes

BRO ???

Yes, and now a second outing for the day.

I don't know diddly about IM, and I am not female.

And this is why the op says "I sure don't get it..."

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Yes, and now a second outing for the day.

I don't know diddly about IM, and I am not female.

And this is why the op says "I sure don't get it..."

Wait, what? When I did say you don't know anything about IM? I said you know nothing about tech related stuff. Again, when did I say you were a male? What I said is called internet slang.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Wait, what? When I did say you don't know anything about IM? I said you know nothing about tech related stuff. Again, when did I say you were a male? What I said is called internet slang.

OMG..this thread is so informational

First, people discussed why ebooks are so expensive...what is the advantage of open source...who is good at IM or who knows nothing at all...then came an image gallery where there was a question about some baby image...then came info about some serious stuff again...and not a new topic.."internet slang"

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Robert Puddy

15 years ago

Originally Posted by schwarzes

OMG..this thread is so informational

First, people discussed why ebooks are so expensive...what is the advantage of open source...who is good at IM or who knows nothing at all...then came an image gallery where there was a question about some baby image...then came info about some serious stuff again...and not a new topic.."internet slang"

Zip it up into an ebook and lets sell it for $197 it has pictures and everything

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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

Zip it up into an ebook and lets sell it for $197 it has pictures and everything

Don't be absurd.

It is available here for free.

Not only that, but this forum will be here until the end of the universe, so no need to worry about it ever disappearing.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Don't be absurd.

It is available here for free.

Not only that, but this forum will be here until the end of the universe, so no need to worry about it ever disappearing.

But why are you so butthurt?

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Jill Carpenter 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

But why are you so "omitted" ?

Do you know what sarcasm is?

PS, please change that word in there. I am most confident someone is going to be offended reading that here.
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- Lyper 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by avenuegirl
  
  Do you know what sarcasm is?
  
  PS, please change that word in there. I am most confident someone is going to be offended reading that here.
  
  No. You are frustrated and a pollution to this thread, which I will just let die as there is no delete option. No one can be offended by the word butt or hurt.
  
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  Originally Posted by Lyper
  
  No. You are frustrated and a pollution to this thread, which I will just let die as there is no delete option. No one can be offended by the word butt or hurt.
  
  I know where the delete option is.
  
  And may be time to use it.
  
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Patrick 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

But why are you so butthurt?

huh ?? I think he has decided on picking up on you
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Patrick 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

Zip it up into an ebook and lets sell it for $197 it has pictures and everything

haha..nice one..suits the topic too ...
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Jill Carpenter 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Wait, what? When I did say you don't know anything about IM? I said you know nothing about tech related stuff.

And I know nothing about tech related stuff. This is a fact. I read it on the internet in a FREE forum.

Please, everyone make note of this.

It is FREE information, and so is TRUE and Valuable, and you do not need to buy an ebook for 97 dollars, you got it right here for free on the Warrior Forum.
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sbucciarel Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I is serious!

lol ... please tell me that isn't a baby picture. :p
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  lol ... please tell me that isn't a baby picture. :p
  
  You don't want to know why I was making that face. hehe
  
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scrofford

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I just might hurt some people's feeling... but do you contribute to anything by promoting ebooks? Do people even buy theses useless things? They're written by anyone and cost way too much, I don't get why would anyone get one. I was reading some free thing online about starting with promotion of ebooks, and I started, looked at the keywords with google ads words... I can't do it, I just think it's retarded.

At least with amazon you're promoting REAL goods...

Also, can you make good money just off clicks with a good blog with QUALITY content and a good youtube channel? I'm just targeting 500$ monthly.

So you think information...good information should be free? There are a lot of ebooks out there that have invaluable information that people have taken the time to compile and you think they are worthless?

Information is what makes the world go round and if you take away that and just sell physical "stuff" you are going to lose the edge on gaining knowledge and moving forward in a myriad of things.

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by scrofford

So you think information...good information should be free? There are a lot of ebooks out there that have invaluable information that people have taken the time to compile and you think they are worthless?

Information is what makes the world go round and if you take away that and just sell physical "stuff" you are going to lose the edge on gaining knowledge and moving forward in a myriad of things.

As I said in this thread, I still hold my grudge against a certain niche market selling ebooks where information is available for free, but I was thinking the way that knowledge is not free.

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15 years ago

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Lyper

15 years ago

Hello Kunle Olomofe, thanks for the long and thoughtfull reply. This is something I'll think about at work today, as I'm going there. Nice to see that your book has been this successful! You say it changed lives, may I ask what it was about?

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Kunle Olomofe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

Hello Kunle Olomofe, thanks for the long and thoughtfull reply. This is something I'll think about at work today, as I'm going there. Nice to see that your book has been this successful! You say it changed lives, may I ask what it was about?

You're welcome. Glad to know my reply has given you food for thought.

Sure, you can google "Proven Pricing Secrets" with the quotes to find out more about the ebook I mentioned, and as the title implies the ebook was about high ticket pricing actually and why you shouldn't keep charging yourself so low if you've got great value to share and if the market will pay your asking price.

Ever since selling the master rights to it, so many of the resellers have chosen different price points of course, but that does not negate the effect of what the ebook has shared and how it helped many others see that they don't always have to under-price themselves out of business.

I'd recommend you get a copy of the ebook and give it a read. It might help you see things even more clearly regarding digital content, services and pricing.

Cheers

Kunle

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Jill Carpenter 15 years ago

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So hard I am now "butt hurt."
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You used this image incorrectly, but I think people found it funny either way.
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rickjackson

15 years ago

WOW! I think you may have offended over 1 million people with a poorly thought out post. I have read, and paid for 3 e-books. 2 of which were extremely helpful (One was poorly written but inexpensive). One thing is for sure, Not everyone looks at the world through the same telescope. What works for some, may not work for others. I can't work at home without blaring great tunes, for some its a distraction. Point being everyone does things differently and we should embrace every new way of doing something in hopes of finding a better way for ourselves.

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sloanjim

15 years ago

well if they showed how to do soemthing i wanted to know sure why not? So you ever buy any books from Amazon etc? Are they all scams?

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theory expert

Banned 15 years ago

Hello Lyper....being young and new to IM I can understand the miscommunication and misunderstanding of ebooks. You have to understand though, that in this world people are desperate for direct answers to run a business. Example, I can go on amazon and by a book on stocks as a beginner that may not have the pizazz as an ebook that says, "make x,y,z amount using this strategy". Ebooks, usually try to get to the point. Perhaps, you can get a free pdf of someones book here to see the difference in writing styles, length, and, points of ebooks.

P.S. Longwinded, perhaps someone can say what I tried to say in short. Similiar to what ebooks (some in kindle) written attempt to do vs. physical books from amazon most of the time.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I just might hurt some people's feeling... but do you contribute to anything by promoting ebooks? Do people even buy theses useless things? They're written by anyone and cost way too much, I don't get why would anyone get one. I was reading some free thing online about starting with promotion of ebooks, and I started, looked at the keywords with google ads words... I can't do it, I just think it's silly.

At least with amazon you're promoting REAL goods...

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Amazon is one of the biggest ebook sellers in the world, lol.

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wtatlas 15 years ago

I'm thinking of writing an ebook that will show you how to win $1,000,000 each week betting horses. Your stake will never be more than $1 a race.

Only trouble is my ebook is going to cost $101.
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Caleb Spilchen

15 years ago

Hey OP,

Why are you tossing the eggs back, so they can be chucked at you again... just leave them to have there fun, and go off and make some money....

Oh wait, that's what Internet Marketers do -- maybe you'd rather just sit on the sidelines and whine and complain about the gurus...

Jill, hows it going SIS .

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JackPowers

15 years ago

I understand where the OP is coming from. I personally wouldn't buy a 'how to cure yeast infection' ebook, but some apparantly do.

I don't think it's fair to slag all ebooks on Clickbank, some are really, really good. I've promoted one ebook in particular that I feel has really helped many people.

I still prefer promoting physical products or services though because the conversion rate is better.

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TrekkieGrrrl 15 years ago

I read the whole thread. That's time out of my life I'll never get back. :rolleyes:

Someone's become the first person on my Ignore list. I can feel my productivity rising already.
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dbarnum

15 years ago

Ebooks were what opened the door for me to working online from home many moons ago. Library books and print books in bookstores didn't have the updated info I needed. So I turned to ebooks (still do). And that was it! My business took off

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15 years ago

Ebooks does help- I think so.

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Lyper

15 years ago

I sure wish to apologize now, I have a better concept of ebooks. Also by ebooks, in my OP, were excluded any books with a real copy on paper. I do see the advantage of a straight to the point book now.

My apologies to many warriors. And when I'm saying useless things, and will still say it, is ebooks about theorycrafting in certain niche, like how to lose your stomach fat, as the body does not work this way.

Again, apologies. I just started thinking on what I could start writing, but I guess I'll get one or two ebooks to see how people offer the content.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyper

I sure wish to apologize now, I have a better concept of ebooks. Also by ebooks, in my OP, were excluded any books with a real copy on paper. I do see the advantage of a straight to the point book now.

My apologies to many warriors. And when I'm saying useless things, and will still say it, is ebooks about theorycrafting in certain niche, like how to lose your stomach fat, as the body does not work this way.

Again, apologies. I just started thinking on what I could start writing, but I guess I'll get one or two ebooks to see how people offer the content.

yay.....proud of you. I knew you weren't here to start nothing from reading your post. Hope you get great use of the forum and all information you gather.

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edlewis

15 years ago

Anyone who is arguing that how a product is delivered determines it's value needs to re-think how they determine VALUE.

It's the INFORMATION that is of value.

Question : What is more valuable? An elegantly designed book or a wrinkled up used napkin with some ketchup on it...???

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Oh....the book is filled with text copied from a Lorem Ipsum generator....and the old napkin has some writing scribbled on it (underneath some ketchup) that just so happens to be the cure for cancer.

Get it now?

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Lyper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by edlewis

Anyone who is arguing that how a product is delivered determines it's value needs to re-think how they determine VALUE.

It's the INFORMATION that is of value.

Question : What is more valuable? An elegantly designed book or a wrinkled up used napkin with some ketchup on it...???

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Oh....the book is filled with text copied from a Lorem Ipsum generator....and the old napkin has some writing scribbled on it (underneath some ketchup) that just so happens to be the cure for cancer.

Get it now?

That could sum up how I think of the situation. Except your words are better, as english is not my first language.

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