Guru-Jaded: Is There Anybody Out There Who Offers That "Something Different"?

by Kristen Osborn

Posted: 14 years ago 18 replies

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I was reading a thread yesterday that left me (for lack of a better word) dumbfounded. This guy was totally bashing gurus, talking about how people were throwing away their money on these guru courses, and I look down at his signature, and . . . Hello! - he's a dang guru!

So I'm reading the responses and getting a kick out of what everyone's saying about this dingdong, and it got me to thinking - who offers that "something-different" in their courses? Who actually cares about us newbies and gives us our money's worth and actually helps us?

The first person I'd like to thank is Kim Roach for giving us that "something different" with her Traffic Dashboard. This is not the usual rehashed crap. She actually teaches you unique and effective ways to get traffic to your website. So Kim, thank you!

This next person - and I'm not calling her a 'guru' because that's a bad word in my house, even though she's earned the status - is the absolute best when it comes to offering that "something different" we're all looking for. Her name is Tiffany Dow, and as far as I'm concerned, she's the best of the best. There are some who criticize her because she doesn't pull any punches, and she'll tell you like it is whether you like it or not. But who doesn't want and need honesty in this business? Her PLR ATM is definitely not the rehashed crap we keep coming across in our quest for knowledge. She actually offers that "something different" and delivers with a capital "D"! And her customer service/student interaction? Top of the line - you couldn't ask for anything more. I've literally emailed her with a question and received an answer back within five minutes! How's that for customer service?

So Tiffany? From the bottom of my heart - Thank You!

#gurujaded #kim roach #offers #something different #tiffany dow

grannywriteswell 14 years ago

I agree with you about both Kim and Tiffany in that they do offer step-by-step honest advice, and I think you have really answered your own question. Different "gurus" (and I hate that word) appeal to different people. I like Kim and Tiffany both because they are straight forward and come across as honest decent people who yes are making a living online, but who give a lot in return for money spent. Tiffany especially offers a lot of information for free - like her tips on her Mom's mentoring right now - yes she may do a course with it, but you know it will be a complete one - good points and bad - and that is why she appeals to me.

I guess you have to find who you resonate with and stick with them

My 2 cents
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AndrewStark 14 years ago

All these people are doing is providing a service that the market wants...

When people start to realise that push button profits and hyped up salesletters are no longer converting then real products will come back to the forefront. Sadly it's the sizzle that people want rather than the actual steak.

A core group are starting to speak out, but it's going to take a while for it to filter through.

Totally agree that Kim is the real deal.
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JGK 14 years ago

I'd also suggest Lisa Parmley Search Engine Optimization | InlineSEO
Straight talk, great advice and her course is cheap! Not an affiliate
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sloanjim

14 years ago

oh kind of like a drug dealer..so it's fine then?

All these people are doing is providing a service that the market wants...

you do not need to buy any course etc.....NEVER spend a dime. Read...try, test, work, adapt....

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Kristen Osborn 14 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

oh kind of like a drug dealer..so it's fine then?

you do not need to buy any course etc.....NEVER spend a dime. Read...try, test, work, adapt....

Good one! That's pretty much how I feel sometimes.
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Black Hat Cat

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

oh kind of like a drug dealer..so it's fine then?

No, it's not like a drug dealer at all. See, drug dealers actually give the market what it wants. The folks referred to here don't. They say they're giving you what you want, but then give you something else.

you do not need to buy any course etc.....NEVER spend a dime. Read...try, test, work, adapt....

Now flip that around, and apply it to whatever you sell.

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Kristen Osborn

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

You're exactly right! I like this. Thanks!

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Daniel Deegan 14 years ago

your best bet is to check out some of the under the radar peeps...

Couple names that come to mind...

-Dave Navarro
-Brent Hall
-Andre Chapreon
-Alexis Dawes
-Jack Duncan
-Glenn Livingston
-Marlon Sanders
-Paul Hancox (for copywriting)
-Jason Fladlien

P.S. Our very own Allen Says has some really great stuff that goes completely ignored or overlooked and the guy has shared HUGE gems over the years...
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Vijay M 14 years ago

If the people who you thought were leaders did not deliver on the promise, call them something else..why blame the word? :-)
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- Kristen Osborn 14 years ago
  
  I am by no means saying that every guru out there is selling crap. But think about it - every time you get an email about a product, the word 'guru' is all through it with the "gurus" telling you the other "gurus" don't have what you need . . . they do! I'm getting tired of that word!
  
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  DawnMarie 14 years ago
  
  Another one to add to the list - John Delavera.
  
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  And he puts out a free PDF every Saturday, chock full of excellent info...
  
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Steadyon 14 years ago

Try Mike Hill's stuff and perhaps BTF.
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JackPowers

14 years ago

Hey Kristen and other newbies,

Take this the right way

Here's an idea - put your credit card on hold for 6 months. Do not buy any new stuff. All you need is here to succeed is here on the Warrior Forum and some other good forums/blogs.

Also, while the Warrior Forum is great, learning is best done from master to apprentice ;-) Meeting people in person and talking ideas will often make that lightbulb turn on.

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Kristen Osborn

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JackPowers

Hey Kristen and other newbies,

Take this the right way

You're right about putting the credit card on hold - that's exactly what I've done. And you're right about Warrior Forum - utilizing that as we speak. Thanks!

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JackPowers

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kristen Osborn

You're right about putting the credit card on hold - that's exactly what I've done. And you're right about Warrior Forum - utilizing that as we speak. Thanks!

Good! I think it can be a great idea to buy a course if you have the resources and want a shortcut, but as a newbie it's so hard to know who is for real and who isn't. I personally wouldn't mind paying a lot of money on a good course these days, like anything Terry Kyle puts out (which is reasonably priced btw.), but that's only cause I've followed these Warriors for a long time and know who they are and what they stand for.

Good luck with your projects!

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makingiants

14 years ago

I just want to say that you named Kim Roach.
She's definitely the real deal, giving tremendous
value every single time she opens her mouth.

If you're looking for a reputable guru, start with someone who
gives incredible value for very little money that gives first, then
sells later.

It's all about building a relationship with people, so if they
don't give value first, then they probably only want you to open
your wallet or pocketbook before getting the value you seek or deserve.

I believe that it was Zig Ziglar, who said that you should give
up to $10 in value before receiving $1 in pay from prospects.

That can come in the form of freebies, bonuses once the
product is bought, etc.

People make "gurus", people can unmake them, too.

However, most gurus became gurus by doing exactly
what I just mentioned. They often provide proven
methods (at least they once worked), so maybe they're
onto something.....

Vince aka makingiants

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Kristen Osborn

14 years ago

Originally Posted by makingiants

If you're looking for a reputable guru, start with someone who
gives incredible value for very little money that gives first, then
sells later.

It's all about building a relationship with people, so if they
don't give value first, then they probably only want you to open
your wallet or pocketbook before getting the value you seek or deserve.

I believe that it was Zig Ziglar, who said that you should give
up to $10 in value before receiving $1 in pay from prospects.

You're right - wish everyone felt this way . . . maybe then 'guru' wouldn't be such a bad word!

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sayu88 14 years ago

Ok, this puts me over the top. I was considering the traffic dashboard, and with some of the comments on here I'm going for it. At least she gives us something for focus on over just words and theory.
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