Twitter According To J-Mo (Some are not gonna like this)

15 years ago

lmao - Again, one of the most entertaining videos I have ever seen!

I think you hit a lot of good stuff there though...I'm trying to get into twitter, but find it unpleasant because of the way that a lot of others use it.

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Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago

Jason, you're priceless.

When you're right, you're right.

There's nothing else to say.
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- Corwinnx 15 years ago
  
  ROFLMOA----- Dude, ya got balls. I don't twitter probably becuase I don't cotton to the idea of being a 'twit' but hey, that's just me. Hell of a great usage of negative phrasing though. Nicely done.
  
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  SeanIM 15 years ago
  
  Nice vid man...the sound effects were groovy.
  
  Concept is sensible foo shoo.
  
  However, a follow-on discussion could be...how can someone personally reach out and connect with their 'large list' since really we're just talking about a communication medium here. I think some people want to treat it as their list, and some prefer as their personal/private interaction medium.
  
  Every glass has it's purpose:
  
  eg; a few friends or associates on skype, customers in a help desk, prospects on your 'list', etc
  
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  Nightengale 15 years ago
  
  Interesting thread.
  
  I've done absolutely NO social media at all -- until very recently. I'm on Facebook. But that's it.
  
  I'm not blogging either, but I'm about to start. My web designer is installing a WordPress blog for me as we speak. So I'll be starting a blog shortly.
  
  I'm probably just slow, but I just haven't seen all of the hype in social media like Facebook, My Space, etc. -- or blogs either. My time is very limited and like a lot of Warriors already know, it's SO EASY to waste vast amounts of time on the Internet and get nothing done: checking e-mail, checking your Facebook page, checking your blog, My Space page, general surfing, etc.
  
  As for blogging, I didn't want to be obligated to post to a blog every day or every few days. I'm REALLY GOOD at starting things but not so good at finishing them. So I'm guarding my time very carefully and committing to following through on what I've started, which is why I haven't blogged or done social media.
  
  I feel like I need to impose the discipline of seeing a return on time invested before dedicating serious time to blogging or any social media. In spite of the hype about social media, I didn't even get onto Facebook until my best friend told me she was on it and so were a lot of our other college classmates. She's not very tech savvy. She uses the Internet mainly for e-mail, surfing and research. NO IM and no interest in it. So when she told me SHE was on Facebook, it got my attention and now I'm on Facebook. (And it took my best friend of 14 years to break through the noise in my head about social media to even get me ON a social media network!)
  
  Most of my friends on Facebook submitted friend requests to me -- not the other way around. Generally, if someone isn't interested enough to submit a friend request to me, then I'm not likely to either. My FB friend list is small -- just over 30 I think -- and I know ALL of them personally (with the exception of one). I know all of them either from work, church or college. (It's the college I've been trying to forget and erase from my life, yet most of my FB friends are from that college. Go figure! ) I've seen people with HUGE numbers of friends -- one had over 600 and she's just a college freshman! (She was in high school when I was in college and I didn't know her all that well. I have no idea why she put in a friend request to me except to probably boost the numbers of FB friends she has. )
  
  I have absolutely no interest in having a huge number of people following me or being my friend (or whatever the medium is calling it) if they don't really know me. I find it rather ridiculous and quite frankly, it speaks of either a HUGE ego and/or a lack of any personal relationship (or downright inattention) to their friends.
  
  Quite frankly, it turns me off -- in a big way. I've been tempted to refuse friend requests, but I DO know all of my FB friends personally in one capacity or another, so I haven't refused anybody.
  
  But if I'm going to use it for business purposes, obviously, I'd have lots of people on there I didn't really know personally (ideally). Ok, fine. But in that case, I run into another problem: suppose I'm on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and whatever else is out there. I'd NEVER get anything done! How would I ever keep up with it all? And if I let my Twitter or Facebook or whatever social media profile lapse, then I lose momentum, I have no credibility and nobody takes me seriously.
  
  My time is very limited. And I really need to focus on my main business and regain the momentum I've lost in the past year. And that means making some hard choices about what I can truly handle regarding my time, commit to ONLY those projects I know I can follow through with and say no to everything else.
  
  I DO know that blogging or the social media networks you choose will be entirely dependant on your business and target market. In my case, my target market isn't on My Space. So I'd probably start building my social business network on Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.
  
  I'm about to get into blogging, but frankly I have a lot of trepidation about it for the reasons I just mentioned. I'm a writer and I'm not always so great about writing consistently. Just filling a newsletter on a regular basis (print or electronic) can be a challenge sometimes.
  
  So I seriously wonder whether social media is worth it.
  
  Facebook? Ok. (Maybe.) Twitter? Frankly, it just sounds ridiculous. But then, I haven't been on Twitter so maybe I'm all wet.
  
  Any thoughts? I'd really appreciate some feedback on all of this.
  
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danhughes 15 years ago

Wrong... Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Social Media, as it's name suggests, is... *social*. Can you imagine walking into an office and only talking *at* your co-workers or customers, not to them or with them? Or dare I say, listening to them? It might work in the short term, but pretty quickly you're gonna fade into the background.

The web 2.0 explosion is based on the very genuine human desire for connection, and belonging. The only difference is that we can now do in in our underwear. In 2008 we are all told, "We appreciate your business", "have a nice day" and "have I answered everything to your satisfaction" so many times each day, that it is now just noise. That means, to express that feeling, or any other, you have to be hyper-authentic.

As you have said, the very reason you have seen the success you have is because of your unique and authentic style of video. If you had shared the very same information in a polished / produced way, it would have probably gone by unnoticed. The YouTube response video of you playing guitar and thanking the man that taught you, screamed authentic, and that's why it was successful.

Twitter isn't YouTube. No matter how it's branded, it isn't really blogging. It's a lot more like a really big AOL chatroom... without the porn. In other words, it's a two way street. Your not a leader by standing in the corner and shouting, but by inciting and encouraging conversation.

Following someone is really just an offer of a hand shake. Most people who see someone offering them a hand respond with theirs. Shaking someones hand does not mean you're going to have a deep and meaningful relationship with them, it just means you are open to developing one.

I follow about 1000 people. About 1500 people follow me. Every time someone follows me, I take a look at their profile and their history and see if they are likely someone I'm going to have some common interest with. Just like in real life, I don't talk to everyone all the time. Some people I may only say 1 or 2 things to. Other people I have got to know really very well.

Having 3000 follows and only following 50 tells me this. The 50 or so people are the only ones you are interested in developing a personal relationship with. The 3000 followers are your mailing list. It follows the traditional numbers game style of marketing. If you share your message with X number of people, X% will respond. With tracking and testing you can improve the response rate, but you can't improve the relationship.

If MC Hammer, Brittney Spears and Shaq have time to talk to me, so do you. If you really don't have the time, do what Seth Godin does and just don't Tweet. I appreciated hearing his authentic reason as to why he doesn't use Twitter.

No, I am not going to unfollow you. I've seen your profile and read your history. You have said some things that I have found interesting, or useful or thought provoking. I encourage you to do the same with me. twitter.com/dan_hughes - Come by and say hi some time.
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JamieBing

15 years ago

Jason... I get more entertained every time I see one of your crazy flipped out vids.

You make an excellent point... If you followed 3k hits you would never make a dime!

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Simon_Sezs

15 years ago

Absolutely priceless man. This is the reason why I don't twit as a marketer.

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15 years ago

awesome dude

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AgencyScripts

15 years ago

Good video man! I might try twitter - I never actually used it yet, but I have some friends who are not really tech savy at all, and their using twitter! So i guess its not only for the techies anymore.

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mjbmedia

15 years ago

Jeez you lost weight since the last vid, all that healthy eating and crap ;-)

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J.Knight

15 years ago

Funny dude...

I didn't think to check your stats, but did your little competition boost your following at all?

JK

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LonNaylor 15 years ago

I'm with ya Jason!

And speaking of Twitter Nazis...how about this?

YouTube - No Twitter for Hitler
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- TimPhelan 15 years ago
  
  Now that's a pretty funny video. A lot can be done with foreign language/subtitles videos.
  
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  I'm with ya Jason!
  
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Dana_W

15 years ago

When I see someone who has 5000 followers and follows a dozen or so people, my perception is that this person wants everyone to hear what they have to say - but doesn't feel like listening to what most of their followers have to say. I don't knowingly follow anyone who isn't following me back.

And of course I don't expect to be able to carry on personal conversations with everyone who I follow. But I do jump in to Twitter several times a day and interact with as many people as I can. I like the social aspect of it, I get a lot of business from it, and I'm forming several JVs as a result. I don't believe I would accomplish that if I only followed back a special select few dozen people out of the thousands that follow me.

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Do you have conferences in the bathroom as well.
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Norma Holt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dana_W

When I see someone who has 5000 followers and follows a dozen or so people, my perception is that this person wants everyone to hear what they have to say - but doesn't feel like listening to what most of their followers have to say. I don't knowingly follow anyone who isn't following me back.

And of course I don't expect to be able to carry on personal conversations with everyone who I follow. But I do jump in to Twitter several times a day and interact with as many people as I can. I like the social aspect of it, I get a lot of business from it, and I'm forming several JVs as a result. I don't believe I would accomplish that if I only followed back a special select few dozen people out of the thousands that follow me.

Dana,

I just bought you WSO but did not get it. What's the deal?

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Dana_W 15 years ago

Broken download link. I just signed up for 1shoppingcart so I can finally fix this. Send me your email address, I wil lget it to you right away.
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J.Knight

15 years ago

Originally Posted by alliance1

...people like me, who are honest, and contribute valuable advice everyday.

At least Kern and Moffatt are tongue-in-cheek when they tell people they should follow them, or when they say 'they're the best' or whatever.

You, on the other hand, it appears have such an ego problem that you can't let others do things the way they like.

'Value' is perceived differently by everyone.

To be honest, your post made me check your Twitter profile just to make sure I'm not following you.

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Rob Lee 15 years ago

Great video Jason. I agree totally with it.
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- Jared Alberghini 15 years ago
  
  J-mo... your a definite twit
  
  Funny stuff... keep it comin'...
  
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Jason Moffatt

15 years ago

Ya know,

I didn't make that video or this post to be a prick.

The fact is, a few people were getting upset with me for not following them back, or responding, and taking it very personal. Others just thought I was some elitist pig or something.

I do understand that.

And I also understand that people like Dana probably do provide a bunch of value to her network even though she does follow a ton of people. She cares enough to nuture her following and is appreciative of what Twitter has brought her.

But sadly, many of the people that are buying her info aren't that concerned with really connecting and making a positive difference. Too many are just trying to game the system and do anything they can to make a buck. I understand that. I don't exactly like it, but I do understand. I'm not trying to get in the way of anyone's hustle. However, I just personally feel that it offers little value to approach something like Twitter, Facebook, or a variety of web2.0 properties with nothing but "pure monetization" in mind. It defeats the purpose of what the networks were built for, and the users generally reject that behavior.

Like I said, I think Dana and many of you do provide great quality and do pay attention to your inner social media circles. But I also recognize that not everyone has attributes and qualities like she does, and these people soil these sites and make them what I call... "Spam2.0".

My goal is "Long Term Branding". I want to be in this game in 10 years, and the decisions I make today are ones that are catapults to tomorrow, next week, and next year.

Therefore, I'm very careful about who I associate with, who I follow, who I mingle with, who I JV with, etc. etc. etc. To me, web 2.0 and social media are a very long term strategy, not.... "Here's how I got 725 followers in the time it took me to pick a booger".

I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in developing a following that will be curious what I'm up to today, tomorrow, and next year. In my mind, trying to go for quick cash with web2.0 is the wrong strategy for me. I'm all about TRUE FANS! Fans that were acquired from trust, values, and a genuine appreciation.

And I'm very humbled and grateful to know I have many of those here. Thx!

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Alice Seba

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

Therefore, I'm very careful about who I associate with, who I follow, who I mingle with, who I JV with, etc. etc. etc. To me, web 2.0 and social media are a very long term strategy, not.... "Here's how I got 725 followers in the time it took me to pick a booger".

I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in developing a following that will be curious what I'm up to today, tomorrow, and next year. In my mind, trying to go for quick cash with web2.0 is the wrong strategy for me. I'm all about TRUE FANS! Fans that were acquired from trust, values, and a genuine appreciation.

Very nicely said and it's something I've been thinking about lately too and wondered how you could compare the value of Twitter followings built in these two different ways. Let's say there are two accounts that each had 2000 followers, but one account was built up by running around and following everyone...hoping for a follow back. The other was built by others seeking out that person to follow. Which is better?

I chose the latter because I believe the same as you. I don't run around looking for a bunch of people who may or may not be interested in me. But then again, by seeking people out, you might connect with a bunch of people who will be glad you found them.

Also it's probably important to remember that not everyone has that luxury where people will seek them out and that's where it gets to be a very interesting tool for people to build their reputation, following, subscribers and ultimately customers.

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Najat Engineer

15 years ago

no one can listen to everyone on twitter but can try listening to as many as possible!

when I followed a big internet marketer and he followed me back I said wow how nice of him

my admiration for him increased and so his chances of getting more sales!

and that what's all about

I'm following a lot that doesn't follow me back and that's definitely OK

but when someone who I followed says I only follow smart people it's like saying "you're stupid that's why I won't follow you back"!!

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Scott Lundergan 15 years ago

Hi, I'm new here. What's Twitter?
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J.Knight

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Najat Engineer

but when someone who I followed says I only follow smart people it's like saying "you're stupid that's why I won't follow you back"!!

Well, if that's what they're thinking, instead of getting stroppy about it, get out there and prove them wrong!

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Chris W. Sutton

15 years ago

I hate to break it to you Scott, but I'm currently sitting in my underwear

Jason has ALWAYS had a knack for giving out WAY too much information. I hate it when he puts these pictures in my head like that!

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Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton

Jason has ALWAYS had a knack for giving out WAY too much information. I hate it when he puts these pictures in my head like that!

At least he didn't send you pictures in the mail. Man, I sweat with frightened anticipation every time I get the mail.

Please stop the bad man, Chris!

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danhughes

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

At least he didn't send you pictures in the mail. Man, I sweat with frightened anticipation every time I get the mail.

Please stop the bad man, Chris!

Yeah, my wife found that one in the mail box! She called me on my cell and asked, "why is some guy from California sending you handwritten cards with a picture of him lying in bed?"

I told her to just google his name and she'd figure it out, lol!!!

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Chris W. Sutton 15 years ago

All I can say is that you people are VERY lucky if you missed out on the video where Jason gets a procto exam. There as just some things that a person should keep to themselves and THAT was one of them!
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Jason Moffatt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Najat Engineer

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but when someone who I followed says I only follow smart people it's like saying "you're stupid that's why I won't follow you back"!!

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Dude, way to take things out of context.

"Smart people", were just 1 of the few examples of people I follow. The scenario you're drawing up there is a horrible translation of what I said. Might wanna clean the wax out of your ears bro.

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Dumb question here....

What the hell is the big deal?

People are getting up in arms about people following, not following, unfollowing, and a bunch of other moronic things.

What difference does it make?

I follow JMO, but does he follow me?

Nope

Do I care?

Nope

I follow him because he tweets stuff that entertains me and keeps me informed of things that I want to know about.

He doesn't know me on a "personal" level so, why would I expect him to respond to any message I sent him? He doesn't owe me anything...

The whole argument is ridiculous really. Twitter is free! Noone pays to use it, nobody is getting paid for participating, right?

The way some people describe it, Twitter is sounding more and more like a job than anything else. You have to return your messages, follow who follows you, or you could feel the wrath or the twitter masses? lol - the hell with that.

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Angela V. Edwards

15 years ago

I agree with you, Jeremy. I don't use Twitter like I should; I rarely remember to even go there. LOL.

But this type of discussion reminds me of all the "this is why you're not my friend" threads that got started when we moved to this forum with the capability of having "friends" here. People were posting all the reasons why they did/didn't accept others adding them as friends.

I never did understand any of that stuff. I truly like people and I like getting to know new people. So I accept friend requests here. If I remembered to go to Twitter more often, I'd be following a lot more people too. But it's not a big deal if I follow who follows me and vice versa. It's just a website.

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Dumb question here....

What the hell is the big deal?

People are getting up in arms about people following, not following, unfollowing, and a bunch of other moronic things.

What difference does it make?

I follow JMO, but does he follow me?

Nope

Do I care?

Nope

I follow him because he tweets stuff that entertains me and keeps me informed of things that I want to know about.

He doesn't know me on a "personal" level so, why would I expect him to respond to any message I sent him? He doesn't owe me anything...

The whole argument is ridiculous really. Twitter is free! Noone pays to use it, nobody is getting paid for participating, right?

The way some people describe it, Twitter is sounding more and more like a job than anything else. You have to return your messages, follow who follows you, or you could feel the wrath or the twitter masses? lol - the hell with that.

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Steven Fullman 15 years ago

Interesting.

So, you're too busy to follow a bunch of people who are pretty
much pre-sold on your every move...

...but you have enough time to record a video about how you're
too busy to follow a bunch of people who are pretty much pre-sold
on your every move.

Guess what, JMo? All your base are belong to us.

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Dan Foley 15 years ago

Hey Mo,

I agree with your philosophy. I go for people who add value (can be different things), and there are people who I like and would follow but they fill up my Twitter screen with too many tweets so I quit following them. Nothing personal, just I only have so much time.

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Chris Lockwood 15 years ago

Originally Posted by alliance1

Follow those who follow others, people like me, who are honest, and contribute valuable advice everyday.

If the stuff you write on Twitter is anything like your comments here, I think I'll pass.
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Steve Peters Benn

15 years ago

Well said Dana, I think the rules change depending on how "desperate" others are to follow you. Someone like the right honourable J-Mo is not really playing in the same league as a lot of other Tw-tters.

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Originally Posted by Steve Peters

Well said Dana, I think the rules change depending on how "desperate" others are to follow you. Someone like the right honourable J-Mo is not really playing in the same league as a lot of other Tw-tters.

What league is that? It is twitter we are talking about right? I may need to run the video again to make sure it is twitter he is talking about.

I didn't know there was leagues in twitter. lol

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Dana_W

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Peters

Well said Dana, I think the rules change depending on how "desperate" others are to follow you. Someone like the right honourable J-Mo is not really playing in the same league as a lot of other Tw-tters.

Yes, once someone has established a name for themselves in internet marketing, a lot of people will follow them just to see what they have to say.

But Willie Crawford, John Reese, Joel Comm, a bunch of other IMers - they follow me back, and they follow lots of other people as well. And they interact, and reply to people, and I think it benefits them.

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Jason Moffatt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by alliance1

Am I worth less than the cold clown sitting in twitter-land? Ask yourself that question. Do you think some well-known Internet Marketer will come tie your shoe laces, or you give you time of the day?

He is on a EGO TRIP feeling above you all..

I kinda dig hanging out with clowns myself

If I were ego trippin I would of simply ignored all the people questioning my methods. I took the time to explain to everyone my philosophy on the matter.

Oh, and I'd come tie your shoes... that is if you wear "Velcro Shoes".

YouTube - De La Soul - Ego Trippin (Part Two)...

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Lance K 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

I kinda dig hanging out with clowns myself

I was thinking about it until I saw that eTrade commercial where the baby rented Bobo.
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robocallaghan 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

I kinda dig hanging out with clowns myself

lol - ~~crowd~~ clown sourcing :-)
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Alice Seba

15 years ago

Jason, do you have your Twitter account set to see @ replies from everyone? I must admit, I unfollowed you recently because I on several occasions I spoke directly to you and even asked you questions, but you never replied.

Now, I don't expect everyone to follow me...that's totally cool, but for me it's pointless to follow someone if they completely ignore me. Waaaa! :-( But seriously, it's a waste of my energy to to keep talking to someone if they're not listening.

I don't take the stance Dan takes. It's too extreme. I follow over 1000 because I used just follow most people back all the time and I rarely seek out people to follow (Jason - you were one of the few that I did seek out, interestingly enough). Anyway, it's become too much for me and I actually regret that I started by following just about everyone back.

Now I simply add people as they engage me in a dialogue or people that I already know. It's nothing personal to anyone. If they want to talk to me, they can @ me and I'll pay attention.

Just my take on it and of course, everyone can do whatever they like. It's the great thing about Twitter. We can follow who we want and get rid of anyone we don't want to follow. So when I share an opinion, it's just a reflection of what I prefer on my Twitter screen and I know other people feel differently.

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Dana_W

15 years ago

Alice, seriously, I had no idea and I feel badly.

I try to reply to everyone who says anything to me! I may do it in a DM if a whole bunch of people have tweeted to me, just so I don't hog up the Twitter home page by replying to 10 people one after the other, but I always reply.

I do apologize. As far as I know I have Twitter set up so I can see @replies from everyone, I don't think there's any other way to use it.

Follow me back - I will pay better attention!

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Jason, do you have your Twitter account set to see @ replies from everyone? I must admit, I unfollowed you recently because I on several occasions I spoke directly to you and even asked you questions, but you never replied.

Now, I don't expect everyone to follow me...that's totally cool, but for me it's pointless to follow someone if they completely ignore me. Waaaa! :-( But seriously, it's a waste of my energy to to keep talking to someone if they're not listening.

I don't take the stance Dan takes. It's too extreme. I follow over 1000 because I used just follow most people back all the time and I rarely seek out people to follow (Jason - you were one of the few that I did seek out, interestingly enough). Anyway, it's become too much for me and I actually regret that I started by following just about everyone back.

Now I simply add people as they engage me in a dialogue or people that I already know. It's nothing personal to anyone. If they want to talk to me, they can @ me and I'll pay attention.

Just my take on it and of course, everyone can do whatever they like. It's the great thing about Twitter. We can follow who we want and get rid of anyone we don't want to follow. So when I share an opinion, it's just a reflection of what I prefer on my Twitter screen and I know other people feel differently.

Alice

P.S. Don't ignore my post here, Moffatt! My ego will completely shatter if you act like I don't exist once again. Hehehehe.

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Alice Seba

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dana_W

Alice, seriously, I had no idea and I feel badly.

I try to reply to everyone who says anything to me! I may do it in a DM if a whole bunch of people have tweeted to me, just so I don't hog up the Twitter home page by replying to 10 people one after the other, but I always reply.

I do apologize. As far as I know I have Twitter set up so I can see @replies from everyone, I don't think there's any other way to use it.

Follow me back - I will pay better attention!

LOL Dana...is your name Jason? Read my post above. :-)

You can set Twitter to only show replies from your followers if you wish and that's what I had the feeling Jason had it set at...or he was ignoring me. LOL.

For the record, I follow you Dana. That never changed.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alice Seba

LOL Dana...is your name Jason? Read my post above. :-)

You can set Twitter to only show replies from your followers if you wish and that's what I had the feeling Jason had it set at...or he was ignoring me. LOL.

For the record, I follow you Dana. That never changed.

Oops.

Er, yes, my name is Jason - where in the name Dana W can you NOT see the word Jason??

I feel much better now! I was worried that maybe I was missing people's comments to me.

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Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago

You know, I watched Jason's video and I said to myself, "Makes perfect
sense." How can you possibly follow thousands of people? I can just about
keep up with the few who I am following me now. And mind you, I'm not
very comfortable with Twitter yet.

And yet, I've got these new people following me daily and most of them I
don't even know who they are. Some, I've never seen make one tweet.

And then I started going through some of the people following me to see
when their last tweet was.

Some haven't had one since last year.

Some haven't had any at all.

What's the purpose of following somebody who isn't even around? And if
they are, what are they doing there? I have to even wonder why they're
even following me in the first place.

And then I look at the few who are following me who are sharing pieces
of information that I am finding valuable or helpful, or are just flat out
making me laugh.

These are the people I want to follow and know what they're up to.

And somehow I feel that these folks are in the minority, that just like
everything else, 95% of the folks who sign up for something never use it.

Isn't that really the way it is?

So what's the purpose of having 5,000 people following you or you
following 5,000 people? I honestly don't see the point.

Having said that, I've also listened to the arguments against Jason's
hypothesis. Some actually make some sense to me. It is a social
environment and you do want to leave yourself open to the possibilities.

What if somebody who I don't know, for whatever reason, follows me,
contacts me and it turns out to be a JV that makes us both millions?

Can't happen you say? I've seen crazier things happen.

And what if we just turn out to be good friends who help each other out?

After all, that's how I made a lot of the friends I've made at this forum.
Had I not come here, I'd never have the relationships that I have now.

But you see, that's the difference between the forum "herd" and the
Twitter "herd".

Here, there is no official follow or unfollow, though you can choose to
actually ignore people. But those you don't ignore, you see everything
that they post.

But at Twitter, it's a little different. There is that official "follow me" thing
that quite honestly, I don't get. Why can't we just see everything that's
going on?

Well, after seeing the speed at which Tweets go by, I can understand
why that wouldn't work. I walk away for 10 minutes and I miss two pages
of stuff...and that's just with the few people I'm following.

I honestly don't have the answer to this interesting thread. I see both
sides of it. For practicality reasons, and because I am so busy I am hardly
on Twitter anyway, I probably lean more towards Jason's way of thinking.
But I can understand why people might feel differently.

One thing I can say is this. Everybody who has sent me a direct DM
asking me a question, I've responded. But that's easy to do with only 300
followers. What do I do if it ever reaches 3,000?

I can see where Twitter can become quite unmanageable, especially for
somebody who doesn't spend a lot of time there. Right now, it's all I can
handle and I'm just beginning.

Anyway, that's my take on this whole thing.

Time will tell how I will ultimately feel about it and whether or not I will
even continue with it.

The next year should be an interesting one to say the least.
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Jason Moffatt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alice Seba

Jason, do you have your Twitter account set to see @ replies from everyone? I must admit, I unfollowed you recently because I on several occasions I spoke directly to you and even asked you questions, but you never replied.

Now, I don't expect everyone to follow me...that's totally cool, but for me it's pointless to follow someone if they completely ignore me. Waaaa! :-( But seriously, it's a waste of my energy to to keep talking to someone if they're not listening.

I don't take the stance Dan takes. It's too extreme. I follow over 1000 because I used just follow most people back all the time and I rarely seek out people to follow (Jason - you were one of the few that I did seek out, interestingly enough). Anyway, it's become too much for me and I actually regret that I started by following just about everyone back.

Now I simply add people as they engage me in a dialogue or people that I already know. It's nothing personal to anyone. If they want to talk to me, they can @ me and I'll pay attention.

Just my take on it and of course, everyone can do whatever they like. It's the great thing about Twitter. We can follow who we want and get rid of anyone we don't want to follow. So when I share an opinion, it's just a reflection of what I prefer on my Twitter screen and I know other people feel differently.

Alice

P.S. Don't ignore my post here, Moffatt! My ego will completely shatter if you act like I don't exist once again. Hehehehe.

Alice,

Had I noticed a direct question from you I would surely of replied. You are one of the people who I take the time to read your blog, and value your input and perspective even though it is quite different from mine many times.

Never would I intentionally ignore you.

There were a few weeks where I was backed up with a few hundred emails, twits, PM's, facebooks, and stuff and I'm sure I missed a few and I apologize if that's the case.

However, I do make an attempt to answer my emails, and twits. I do read every @jasonmoffatt I see. I don't reply to every little chit chat. But if someone asks a question I do make a good effort to answer when I can.

Does that mean I answer everyone?

Of course not.

I simple don't have the time to do that all the time. I try, but it's not a guarantee. And considering that people pay up to $500 per hour for my time, I think it's a bit foolish for someone to think that I'm going to drop real world business and answer every single question that comes down the Twitter, Facebook, Myspace, and email pipeline.

If it's Alice Seba, I'd probably do it, but that's because she's very giving of her time and knowledge to people. And she's always been very good to me (even if she does unfollow).

I think to gain someone's time is a privilege. And when you abuse their time, well they go bye bye (kinda like Alice did to me). But to be honest, if I were to start following 500 people I guarantee my time would be wasted with too many things that don't apply to my best interests.

Am I being a Twitter snob?

Maybe.

But I'm a time snob as well. I enjoy my time, and so should each of you. Also, if I'm to follow 500 to 1000 people it takes away from me paying attention to the friends that I actually want to devote my time and interests towards.

Heck, I only follow 50 people and to be honest it's really hard to pay attention to what each one of them is up to. I can only imagine what it's like with 500. I'd be losing money hand over fist getting lost in Twitter land. It's already bad enough as it is.

Anyhow, I was just trying to explain why I don't follow a bunch of people because it's the number one question by far that I've gotten in the last month.

I don't expect anyone to like, or agree with my viewpoints.

But then again, I tend to disagree with marketers on just about everything when it comes to web2.spam, so what's new?

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Alice Seba 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

Had I noticed a direct question from you I would surely of replied.

LOL...just did a mike check on Twitter. We'll see if this works. :-)

Alice
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15 years ago

If you want to see someone who really knows how to use Twitter, check out EZA owner Chris Knight's page at Twitter / ChrisKnight This guy gets it.

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Adam Carn

15 years ago

Cool Video Jason, it actually made me laugh! I understand what you're saying but I actually follow everyone back. I do that for two reasons. 1, it feels like the right thing to do. 2, I can actually see what everyone is talking about and join in when I like. This is a great way to meet new people and build relationships.

Alice, Jason does actually reply when he can, he's replied to me a few times and not responded a few times too but that's understandable. He's a popular guy. I'm sure his DM box is filled with gazillion messages and he'd rather go surfing than read them all lol.

Actually people like John Reese, Frank Kern, Mike Filsaime don't respond much either but again it's understandable, they're busy people with a lot of fans.

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Alice Seba

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Adam Carn

Alice Jason does actually reply when he can, he's replied to me a few times and not responded a few times too but that's understandable. He's a popular guy. I'm sure his DM box is filled with gazillion messages and he'd rather go surfing than read them all lol.

Actually people like John Reese, Frank Kern, Mike Filsaime don't respond much either but again it's understandable, they're busy people with a lot of fans.

Adam

I'm not upset about it. I'm just saying that if I try to engage someone in a conversation a few times and there's no response, it's not a good use of my time. It's a waste of my energy to be one part of the conversation when I could be talking to someone else who is listening.

It doesn't matter to me that Jason didn't reply. I believe we are actually friends...it's all good. I was more wondering if he had his @ replies turned to friends only because there was no response, even when I asked a question. And if he has it set that way, there is REALLY no point at all in talking on Twitter with someone who doesn't follow you and has that setting.

Interestingly enough, from what I've seen - Reese and Joel Comm are very responsive. Frank is a snob and am not sure about Filsaime (not sure if I follow him).

I hope my post didn't paint me out to be a baby because I don't expect a reply to every @ post and nor do I give them to each and everyone. However, if there seems to be a pattern, I ask direct questions and still feel like I'm talking to myself...I gotta turn off the one-sided conversation.

Alice

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alice Seba

I'm not upset about it. I'm just saying that if I try to engage someone in a conversation a few times and there's no response, it's not a good use of my time. It's a waste of my energy to be one part of the conversation when I could be talking to someone else who is listening.

Yeah I totally understand.

Originally Posted by Alice Seba

Interestingly enough, from what I've seen - Reese and Joel Comm are very responsive. Frank is a snob and am not sure about Filsaime (not sure if I follow him)

The only time FK, JR and MF responded to me was after watching these gory videos I did of them.

Frank Kern | John Reese | Mike Filsaime | Yanik Silver

Anyone would respond after watching something like that lol.

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Tom B Banned 15 years ago

I am sorry but I have to laugh at all of this. I have seen quite a few posts on here about Twitter.

I just don't get it. Why do people get so upset about this website. In fact why does it matter at all if someone isn't following me when I followed their postman all around and saw a few sheep driving a van delivering a fruit basket to Dana on Twitter.

I think I need a beer.
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Nightengale

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Adam Carn

Actually people like John Reese, Frank Kern, Mike Filsaime don't respond much either but again it's understandable, they're busy people with a lot of fans.

You're a lot more forgiving than I am.

And this is exactly my point. The gurus want that up close and personal relationship with their fan base but don't have the time (or want) to reciprocate. They erect that wall between them and their fans (usually via support personnel, VA's or whatever). You still don't get through to the people themselves.

There are valid reasons for that and yes, their time is extremely limited. (They also ration their accessibility to drive demand. It's human nature to want what we can't have.) Fine. But if they want to limit their accessibility, then I don't think they should be on places like Facebook and Twitter in the first place. It's the antithesis of what the medium is for. I think it's snobbish, condescending and it's a huge turnoff.

There are two very successful people I know whom I admire greatly and though they charge for their time and expertise, they're not above responding to a personal question or two. They're quite prompt, helpful and professional. And they answer their e-mails and other messages personally. (I also respect their time and expertise and only send incidental questions and comments. I don't try to get something for nothing.)

I know another very successful woman whom I really admire and follow closely. In fact, right now she's the top person I follow. I'm her customer and I pay VERY close attention to her weekly e-zine and everything else she does. Her e-mails get opened and read -- ALWAYS. (By contrast, I routinely delete Filsaime's, et al's, e-mails en masse.) However, I haven't linked to her in Facebook because she has a fan page: meaning that she has a FB profile (a fan profile), but she doesn't manage it personally. She outsources it. For all I know, she never even looks at it. (I'm sure that's not quite true and that she does occassionally at least glance at it. But I do know her VA's manage it.) Though I admire her a lot, in this one respect I find it condescending. So I won't link to her. It just ticks me off.

Like I said, if you want to limit your accessibility to your customers and fans (legitimately or illegitimately), fine. But then don't go around creating social media profiles. It's just not very congruent with the reason for being active in social media in the first place.

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Adam Carn

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Nightengale

You're a lot more forgiving than I am.

And this is exactly my point. The gurus want that up close and personal relationship with their fan base but don't have the time (or want) to reciprocate. They erect that wall between them and their fans (usually via support personnel, VA's or whatever). You still don't get through to the people themselves.

There are valid reasons for that and yes, their time is extremely limited. (They also ration their accessibility to drive demand. It's human nature to want what we can't have.) Fine. But if they want to limit their accessibility, then I don't think they should be on places like Facebook and Twitter in the first place. It's the antithesis of what the medium is for. I think it's snobbish, condescending and it's a huge turnoff.

There are two very successful people I know whom I admire greatly and though they charge for their time and expertise, they're not above responding to a personal question or two. They're quite prompt, helpful and professional. And they answer their e-mails and other messages personally. (I also respect their time and expertise and only send incidental questions and comments. I don't try to get something for nothing.)

I know another very successful woman whom I really admire and follow closely. In fact, right now she's the top person I follow. I'm her customer and I pay VERY close attention to her weekly e-zine and everything else she does. Her e-mails get opened and read -- ALWAYS. (By contrast, I routinely delete Filsaime's, et al's, e-mails en masse.) However, I haven't linked to her in Facebook because she has a fan page: meaning that she has a FB profile (a fan profile), but she doesn't manage it personally. She outsources it. For all I know, she never even looks at it. (I'm sure that's not quite true and that she does occassionally at least glance at it. But I do know her VA's manage it.) Though I admire her a lot, in this one respect I find it condescending. So I won't link to her. It just ticks me off.

Like I said, if you want to limit your accessibility to your customers and fans (legitimately or illegitimately), fine. But then don't go around creating social media profiles. It's just not very congruent with the reason for being active in social media in the first place.

Michelle

Hi Michelle,

I know what you mean but social media is a means of reaching more people with their promotions. This may sound a bit rough but to most, it's a case of if there's money to be made then why not. It's similar to emails I guess, you get an email with your name on it, it looks personal but when you respond to it the email either bounces or you get no response at all. But business is business I guess.

By the way you're a very eloquent writer!

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Originally Posted by Adam Carn

By the way you're a very eloquent writer!

Thanks Adam. That means more than you know right now and I really appreciate it.

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- VegasVince 15 years ago
  
  To most of you...JaMo's OP was a video rant about Twitter et al.
  
  To me...the real value of Mo's latest mid-life crisis rant..... was the reminder, that once again....real players in this industry- Jason included...seem to always be the people who zig when the rest of you'se zag.
  
  Is that a coincidence? I don't think so.
  
  I call it...POSITIONING VIA SEPERATION. aka...seperating yourself from the herd in order to stand alone long enough to pitch and sell them something.
  
  It's a concept 98% of the population can't pull off...because it's too damn scary to be "different."
  
  Too damn scary to stand out there by yourself on Front Street....while the status quo herd together and does it the way they always HEARD it should be done. The sheep die broke and frustrated...and bitter.
  
  HEARD often equals...HERD...which equals...SHEEP. Baaaaaaahhhhhhh!
  
  Seperate yourself from the herd....because you stand alone when you'se do. And by doing so, you position yourself as someone who is worth listening to.....and buying from.
  
  Watch Mo's video again...
  
  What's it all about? Twitter? LOL. I don't think so.
  
  Ask yourself why guys like Ja Mo and Kern et al are so damn good at what they do....without appearing to ever break a sweat!
  
  How do these guys get rich...drinking beer, surfing, and chasing chicks?
  
  Then ask yourself how many of the truly great Internet Marketers out there today.... cookie cutter their marketing approaches, products, and launches to conform with the status quo!
  
  How many of the great marketers past and present ever played it safe????
  
  None!
  
  Some of the most talented Warriors on this forum....will end up being the biggest failures of all. Why?
  
  Cuz they don't have the balls necessary to be different. They would rather be part of the "club" then to own the club.
  
  They don't have the guts to seperate from the "herd"....and ruffle some feathers.
  
  Talent alone doesn't guarantee you jack in this business...if you're in the crowded hall with all the rest of the dreamers and peddlers.
  
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  p.s. I guess I should be honored...I'm one of the 50 some people JaMo has agreed to twitter into heaven...but much like him...I know the deal. He follows me only because I once got semi-drunk and text messaged his girlfriend an offer I didn't think she could refuse. She did. But he still doesn't trust Vince anymore. Peace.
  
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15 years ago

So funny that this all came down today. I actually won the J-Mo Twitter trivia contest (yay! for me), and have been following for quite some time. J-Mo direct messaged me on Twitter to let me know what to do and I couldn't respond back because he's not following me

. That was a bit of a pain, but luckily good old email is a great fallback.

I have to 100% agree with Jason on this. I don't see how anyone can follow thousands of people and get any benefit out of it. I follow 29 people right now and that is almost too much. I also have a little over 100 people following me which I truly appreciate. But, I also have to question how many of those are following me just because they are trying to game the Twitter system to get more followers for themselves. I believe that many of my followers are truly interested (even though I often wonder why), but I also know that many of them couldn't care less.

I personally get more OUT of Twitter by following those that I'm truly interested in than I ever will put IN to Twitter by tweeting myself. I hope that my tweets are helpful or at least interesting, but like Jason said I think it's more important to only follow those that you are truly interested in, and get rid of the ego stat chasing.

But, as the old saying goes, different strokes for different folks.

PS: Thanks J-Mo for the hookup for the trivia contest. You rock!

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15 years ago

OMG! What an awesome video!!! Not only did I laugh my ass off, but you made me realize that I'm not as clueless as I thought.

I kept thinking "why am I not getting it? Why is everyone using this Twitter, and understanding it, but I just see a bunch of junk that disturbs my while I'm working?"

Thank you so much Jason. Again, awesome video!!!

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J.Knight

15 years ago

Listen peeps... this same junk comes up all the time in different contexts.

Like blogging. People get all freaky when a blogger like Leo from Zen Habits (just as an example) doesn't reply to their comments.

They somehow miss the 100+ other people leaving comments on every single post!

The thing is, EVERYONE is filled with their own self-importance.

J-Mo is important to J-Mo. His time, his energy, and what he wants to do is his. He respects himself enough to do what HE wants to do.

He's filled with his own importance. And that's fine. Why one earth should he not be?

On the other hand, Alice is exactly the same.

She puts her time and energy into being friends with bucket loads of people.

Is she more caring and concerning than J-Mo? Maybe. But, probably not.

Don't believe the crap people spill about 'wanting to help you'. The primary cause isn't to help people for the sake of helping people.

They help people to get noticed. They help people to build friendships. They help people to get business. They help people to earn respect.

Whatever the reason, even if it's totally down-to-earth with no bad motives, it's still for themselves, because they are filled with their own importance.

Everyone is the same.

People just gratify it in different ways.

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Instead of trying to follow thousands of people on Twitter-

Probably better to spend that time trying to build the next "Twitter".
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Sylvia Meier

15 years ago

Personally I don't care if someone follows me or not. And if they only tweet crap, whether they are following me or not, I unfollow them. I personally have become fond of Twitter as I have developed some relationships I dont know if I would have otherwise. It is a great social tool, whether or not all marketers see it that way.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe

Personally I don't care if someone follows me or not. And if they only tweet crap, whether they are following me or not, I unfollow them. I personally have become fond of Twitter as I have developed some relationships I dont know if I would have otherwise. It is a great social tool, whether or not all marketers see it that way.

Sylvia, that's really the key to the whole thing.

If you're going to be there, regardless of how many you follow or how many
follow you, if you don't provide value to the community as a whole, they're
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15 years ago

This video is freaking hilarious...I'm officially a huge fan of yours now

Thanks for being original in a sea of copy cats!!!

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Li Weng

15 years ago

I think ultimately, there's no right or wrong to any approach, as it all comes down to what your primary intention is in using twitter in the first place. If your intentions are commercial (mostly likely they are), then let the results/sales speak for themselves.

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15 years ago

Dude,

Why you gotta put your feet in my face

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DennisM 15 years ago

Hey Jason,

Put your sword away and clean that toilet!. LMAO

Love the video dude!

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IowaGal

15 years ago

Heh - Thanks for putting a voice to my thoughts.

LOL - you were in your bathroom! I need to get some balls man, I'd never do a video in my bathroom.

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Jason Moffatt

15 years ago

By the way...

I'm giving more money away on Twitter right now! Hurry and get your guess in.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

By the way...

I'm giving more money away on Twitter right now! Hurry and get your guess in.

Hey Jason, I'd love to but I don't think you're seeing my answers.

It's okay, I probably wouldn't get it anyway. I'm not a big heavy metal fan.

Have a good night J. I think you're all right.

For whatever that's worth.

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Jason Moffatt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Hey Jason, I'd love to but I don't think you're seeing my answers.

It's okay, I probably wouldn't get it anyway. I'm not a big heavy metal fan.

Have a good night J. I think you're all right.

For whatever that's worth.

Hey Steven,

I saw your guess, but it wasn't the Beatles (I think that was your guess, from memory).

I can't reply to all the wrong answers! Good times though. Lots of memories being tweeted from the big hair days.

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SeanIM 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

By the way...

I'm giving more money away on Twitter right now! Hurry and get your guess in.

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GerardWon

15 years ago

Hi Jason-- hugely funny vid. I loved it. BTW is your crib that big to make the echo or do just need some furniture?! Good Luck

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fred67

15 years ago

Hi Jason. I'm following you, & NO I don't expect you to follow me back. (I've got nothing to offer as such).
I follow quite a few people that I know would never follow me, (around 500).
but I love the stuff they write about and the resources they point me to. I don't have Twitter on my phone so I don't get distracted. (I only use the Twitter page on my PC).
I do use the 'block' function regularly, and I do delete a lot of spammy followers as soon as I check their profiles, so I'm probably considered a Twitter-Failure :-)

I'll look forward to what you have to say, especially after watching this video.
(Unless you 'block' me to of course :-)

Pete.

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Mark Brock 15 years ago

This is a message to everyone;

Please follow Jason's advice TO THE LETTER!

Just like R Kelly, I pissed on Twitter once and I blew up my computer!

Apparently liquid and electronics don't mix?

Mark

PS - For anyone that wants the money Jason's giving away, I recommmend voting for either Van Halen's self titled debut album or their follow up album, Van Halen II!

I'm probably TOTALLY wrong!?
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JayXtreme

15 years ago

Do people really get so twisted up about following back?..

I couldn't much care.. I follow when I can, I give people my Twitter URL so they can make the CHOICE to follow me if they want... it's a choice thing,

Aside from that, I couldn't give it too much thought..

Ah well is my answer... what other people think of me is none of my business..

What makes me LOL though, is that Jason felt the need to make a video about it...

Peace

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ECoughlin

15 years ago

Great video, Jason! I was feeling like I was the only person not following people who follow me.

There's only one rule I employ in deciding if someone is "follow-worthy":

I check their profile and if they're a nutbag, I don't follow them.

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Elmer Hurlstone 15 years ago

Twitter is different things to different people. For some it's a purely social family and friends thing. That's fine.

For many of us whose virtual office is the internet it's the office water cooler. Probably the largest water cooler in the world.

Like all office water coolers there's a diverse crowd of folks hanging out. The guy that brags about everything he did last night; The "one-upper" fellow and the sorta shy girl.

Also the girl or guy with the "next best thing" MLM opportunity that "you can get in on the ground floor now."

There are some who know nothing about anything that doesn't involve either a ball, large men throwing each other around a ring or very, very fast cars.

A few seem to have been possessed by the "Spirit of Twitter."

Whatever your view of it and how you wish to use it is fine. If other"twits" are either too busy or don't find your commentary relevant to what they do they won't follow you. If they do, and have the time, they will.

And make no mistake about it-Twitter does take time!

If you're not a natural multi-tasker it may take more from you than it returns.

If you don't have self-discipline you'll look up after a while and wonder where your day went and why you didn't accomplish but 10% of what you intended to do.

If you're not going to benefit from it at whatever level don't use it.

Big numbers are nice but they're not the "be all, end all."

Follow those who provide you with value and provide value where and when you can.

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Dave B

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

"JMo, why don't you follow me on Twitter?"

Great Vid Jason,

Always good to see a different perspective...I'm new to this Twit thing myself and don't quite get the 'follow people to follow you' bit. But there's also some great arguments put forward for doing just that...so for now I'm doing a bit of both I guess...just to see how it pans out...

And I'm following you now...but DON'T follow me back will ya...

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bubbavine

15 years ago

Tried to watch your video and it say's no longer available... but if memory serves me correctly..

Didn't I read on your blog that a good way to get a lot of followers fast was to follow a bunch of people all at once and wait about a week... then go back in and unfollow all but a few.. so that in your words "you would look cool"

I believe you posted it a couple of months ago...

P.S. - congrats on the new house...

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Chance Russell

15 years ago

Jason,

Interesting and entertaining video.

But valid?

You have become fairly well known in the IM field. So you will get followers from that. You will get followers from those already on your lists. And since you are followed by some gurus like Kern who don't follow a ton of people, you will get followers from those who follow them.

And your stats are directky benefiting from the common strategy of following people well known in a niche, and following their followers, in hopes of building your own numbers..

So you had a distinct advantage over somone new to Twitter, without name recognition, well-known friends and an almost guaranteed following.

But what makes you think you are building a list of "true fans" over others who are actively, personally and directly engaging their followers on a daily basis? Are you actually building any true fans who aren't already fans?

I have no doubt you are seeing some success/sales from your tweets. But then I look at someone like Willie Crawford, who does follow those who follow him (in the thousands) and is, IMHO, far better at building "true fans" because he is actively connecting with his following. I think of all the IM crowd I've seen on Twitter, Willie does it the best. People who follow Willie really do become fans.And from watching what he does, his Twitter philosophy is 100 the opposite of yours.

The same can be said of Tiffany, Dana and several others. They are creating "true fans" even though they follow many because they really do connect with them.

Building a following is one thing. What you do with that following is quite another. What's the best Twitter strategy? I don't know. I don't think anyone is a Twitter expert yet. Lord knows I'm not. But in my opinion, people would be better off watching what Willie does and following his lead than following the advice in your video.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Chance Russell

Jason,

Interesting and entertaining video.

But valid?

You have become fairly well known in the IM field. So you will get followers from that. You will get followers from those already on your lists. And since you are followed by some gurus like Kern who don't follow a ton of people, you will get followers from those who follow them.

And your stats are directky benefiting from the common strategy of following people well known in a niche, and following their followers, in hopes of building your own numbers..

So you had a distinct advantage over somone new to Twitter, without name recognition, well-known friends and an almost guaranteed following.

But what makes you think you are building a list of "true fans" over others who are actively, personally and directly engaging their followers on a daily basis? Are you actually building any true fans who aren't already fans?

I have no doubt you are seeing some success/sales from your tweets. But then I look at someone like Willie Crawford, who does follow those who follow him (in the thousands) and is, IMHO, far better at building "true fans" because he is actively connecting with his following. I think of all the IM crowd I've seen on Twitter, Willie does it the best. People who follow Willie really do become fans.And from watching what he does, his Twitter philosophy is 100 the opposite of yours.

The same can be said of Tiffany, Dana and several others. They are creating "true fans" even though they follow many because they really do connect with them.

Building a following is one thing. What you do with that following is quite another. What's the best Twitter strategy? I don't know. I don't think anyone is a Twitter expert yet. Lord knows I'm not. But in my opinion, people would be better off watching what Willie does and following his lead than following the advice in your video.

Chance

And you expect me to believe that Willie pays attention and reads all the tweets of the people he's following?

All 5300?

Somehow I doubt it.

I actually read every Twit of the people I follow. That seems a bit more appropriate to me.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

And you expect me to believe that Willie pays attention and reads all the tweets of the people he's following?

All 5300?

Somehow I doubt it.

I actually read every Twit of the people I follow. That seems a bit more appropriate to me.

I'm absolutely sure Willie doesn't read every Tweet of everyone he follows. Why does that matter though? I don't read every Tweet of everyone I follow, I'm following around 3800 people now. But I don't envision them sitting there worrying about whether I read their tweets, either.

The point is I follow a lot of people, but I go in and interact with as many as I can, a few times a day, and the more I do that, the more I get my name out there, and the more customers end up coming to me. Probably 90 percent of my Tweets are personal, not promotional; Twitter is a way to build relationships with people, not an instant sales tool. But the more people I have in my "audience", the more potential customers I can reach.

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Chance Russell

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

And you expect me to believe that Willie pays attention and reads all the tweets of the people he's following?

All 5300?

Somehow I doubt it.

I actually read every Twit of the people I follow. That seems a bit more appropriate to me.

No, Willie can't read then all. But he reads some. And replies personally. And promotes. And he interacts with his followers. And he builds true fans because he builds true (at least seemingly true) connections.

From your video, it sounds like you see Twitter as just a weird form of email list and that one should market to Twitter as one does to an email list.

People sign up for an email list for content. But people sign up for Twitter and follow people not only for content, but for interaction and access. I think you are missing that.

Your Twitter video offers a model that is, IMO, out of step with modern social media. It's just you interacting with a chosen few and sending content out to many.

But Willie's model allows for interaction and access. Limited maybe, but far more than with yours ever will. And his followers will feel a connection with Willie that your followers will never feel with you as long as you stick to your Twitter philosophy.

You are just preaching to your already established choir. Willie is actively growing and connecting with a whole congregation. In time, I believe that will prove to be a much more lucrative strategy.

I understand time limitations. But unless you make time for social media, you cannot utilize it to even an infinitesimal damn of its potential.

Yes, I think you can have limited success on Twitter following your model -- especially given that you are already successful and already have a built-in following. But I think you are missing the much, much bigger picture and potential that Willie, Tiffany, Dana and others understand.

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Jason Moffatt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bubbavine

Tried to watch your video and it say's no longer available... but if memory serves me correctly..

Didn't I read on your blog that a good way to get a lot of followers fast was to follow a bunch of people all at once and wait about a week... then go back in and unfollow all but a few.. so that in your words "you would look cool"

I believe you posted it a couple of months ago...

P.S. - congrats on the new house...

I never endorsed this tactic. I admitted that it did exist and a few people were using it, but I was definitely not condoning it. In fact, I was kinda talking about how lame it was.

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Jared Alberghini

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

I never endorsed this tactic. I admitted that it did exist and a few people were using it, but I was definitely not condoning it. In fact, I was kinda talking about how lame it was.

hehe... dont' be so defensive Jason...

Many still don't understand your "Twitter" review that contradicts your video... where you say 'I don't even follow my friends' but it's still cool to follow you? and it's still cool to have loyal followers that you could give a shite about...

I'm still confused on your stance on quality/quantity of followers...

sorry in advance for the questions I am looking for real answers to...

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Jason Moffatt

15 years ago

Chance,

Bottom line is this...

If someone wants access to me, THEY PAY FOR IT!

I've never promised interaction, nor will I. I don't force people to follow me. It's totally up to them. And if they do decide to, I'm not obligated to do anything.

I'm obligated to taking care of paid clients, not responding to every tweet, email, or PM that hits the box.

This may seem narrow minded to you, but I got other stuff to do bro.

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Chance Russell

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

Chance,

Bottom line is this...

If someone wants access to me, THEY PAY FOR IT!

I've never promised interaction, nor will I. I don't force people to follow me. It's totally up to them. And if they do decide to, I'm not obligated to do anything.

I'm obligated to taking care of paid clients, not responding to every tweet, email, or PM that hits the box.

This may seem narrow minded to you, but I got other stuff to do bro.

Jason,

That's not narrow minded. Hell, I have no problem with that at all.

You are basically just playing around with Twitter and have better things to do than to devote serious time and effort to it. And that's fine. You are the best judge of what works for you.

But it also shows why you aren't in a position to lecture others on how to best use Twitter.

Willie and others are making a serious effort to use it to grow their businesses. People who want to do that would be better off following their lead.

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Jason Moffatt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Chance Russell

Jason,

That's not narrow minded. Hell, I have no problem with that at all.

You are basically just playing around with Twitter and have better things to do than to devote serious time and effort to it. And that's fine. You are the best judge of what works for you.

But it also shows why you aren't in a position to lecture others on how to best use Twitter.

Willie and others are making a serious effort to use it to grow their businesses. People who want to do that would be better off following their lead.

Chance

Well I can track about $8500 in income directly from Twitter in the last 30 days, so considering this is a "marketing forum" I beg to differ about my position to lecture on how to use it for monetary gain.

But yes, you are right. I am basically just "playing around" with it. I won't deny that at all.

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Chance Russell

15 years ago

Jason,

Like I said, I don't doubt you are making money on Twitter. But are you limiting yourself by your approach? Is that money from new fans you would never had found save for Twitter or mostly from people on Twitter who you already had a relationship with?

It might be right to limit yourself, by the way. Twitter might not be really worth more time to you compared to other activities.

My point is that in your video you talk about building a Twitter following of true fans. But your approach, IMO, limits to a great extent your ability to really do that beyond those who already are your fans.

Willie, Dana and others are creating new fans every day by engaging their followers on a more personal level. They are walking the walk. That's why people should listen to them. You talk about it in your video. But they are really using the power of Twitter to do it every day. How much more could you make off Twitter if you did the same to some extent?

But again, it may not be worth it to you.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Chance Russell

Jason,

Like I said, I don't doubt you are making money on Twitter. But are you limiting yourself by your approach? Is that money from new fans you would never had found save for Twitter or mostly from people on Twitter who you already had a relationship with?

Chance,

Limiting yourself is one of the very best ways to increase your prices and value.

Most of this recent income is from "new" people who found me via Twitter, not from my mailing lists. Maybe a few hundred, possibly $1000 came from long term email subscribers, but the bulk is from new followers who recently started following me on Twitter.

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Keegahn 15 years ago

The video wouldn't load for me (silly Interweb connection) but from what I'm reading I think I agree with ya'. I'm all for makin' a little cash from it but I only follow people I personally know and talk to or some other authority figure in a specific market - which in every case I genuinely want to hear what they're up to.

The way I see it the whole "following" deal is quickly becoming the equivalent to MySpace's "friends"... its become some random contest to see who can get the most rather than focusing on the actual interaction which, you know, is kind of the purpose of the service.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

Bottom line is this...

If someone wants access to me, THEY PAY FOR IT!

I've never promised interaction, nor will I. I don't force people to follow me. It's totally up to them. And if they do decide to, I'm not obligated to do anything.

I'm obligated to taking care of paid clients, not responding to every tweet, email, or PM that hits the box.

This may seem narrow minded to you, but I got other stuff to do bro.

absolutely bro spot on.
I mean its all well and good people on here preaching, but come on, if one of your clients didnt get the deal they were expecting from you and then looked on twitter and saw youd 'wasted' their paid for time 'chatting' to a load of followers that pay you sweet FA and do diddly squat for you or your business.... would they be somewhat pissed off ?

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StoneCS

15 years ago

Well, that's it! I'm going to go un-follow your sorry a$$ right now!

Naaa... Just kidding, I get a kick out of what you and Frank send back and forth. I basically use it as a tool to keep up with the IM world, in real time.

When I first started on twitter, I just went and followed people who's emails I open. Then I checked out who they were following and added the ones that looked interesting. Then did the same with their people.

You can quickly spot a few trends in the who's who of the marketing world. If FK, MF, JR, & EP are all following some of the same guys, then it's safe to say, they might be worth listening to.

I do appreciate a return follow when it happens, but I don't follow very many myself. Twitterfox just pops up like an email notification, and some I try to read while they're up, others just get a quick glance.

If they were popping up every 5 seconds, I'd never get any work done. But, I don't mind some interruption because of all the great info I find on occasion.

Loved the video J. As always, very entertaining.

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MizzCindy

15 years ago

JMo, couldn't see your vid...

The bottom line is this. Twitter is another tool in the social media toolbox. For the most part, folks look at it as a conversation that includes give and take on both sides. From a marketing perspective, exploiting Twitter's popularity will most often include participating in the conversation by sharing and responding.

For someone in Jason's position - he has a lot of recognition and an established following - he can get away with being more 'separate'...his approach really is more in an 'at you' context than a 'with you' context. This will not work for the majority of folks on twitter. Why? Because, in its current form, Twitter isn't about being separate.

For what it's worth, I follow some who do not follow me back and I don't follow everyone that follows me. I make the decision to follow based upon whether I get something in return. Is the person entertaining? Do they spew nonsense? Do they market to the exclusion of all else? Are they slimy? Do they only have 1 update? Are they a potential future customer?

Twitter is about building relationships. The nature of those relationships will depend upon who you are. Plain and simple. JMo's approach won't work for everyone and vice versa.

Each of us will have to approach twitter based on what we have to offer and what we intend to get out of it. It's going to be a different animal for each of us.

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Dana_W

15 years ago

Here's a very important point to consider when listening to Jason discuss his methods: most of us are not Jason Moffatt. (Even if I did accidentally answer Alice Seba's post on here addressing him.) He is starting out with a reputation...a name...a following...etc.

The methods that work for him, and for any internet marketer with a well-known name and reputation, are not going to work for the rest of us.

Most of us could not get away with having thousands of people follow us and only following a dozen, or a few dozen, back - because pretty quickly, Tweeters would unfollow us.

The reason that people continue to follow Frank Kern and Jason and others who hardly follow anyone back - is that Frank and Jason are known as successful internet marketers, which makes people want to observe what they do and how they do it, so they can emulate them and hopefully reproduce some of that success.

It's the same reason people get on the email marketing lists of successful internet marketers - in many cases, it is simply to observe how the IMer works his list. Nothing wrong with that; it's smart to observe the successful.

But that doesn't mean that doing every single thing that big name marketers do will work for you personally - and I personally recommend following back as many people as you can who are following you (unless they have nothing but tweets with affiliate links, or they're clearly a spam bot with a name like fb453678, or similar situations.)

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Banned 15 years ago

I guess I really don't understand this Twitter thing. I thought it was about making yourself accessible to others.

Honestly, the only time I used it was to try to keep my customers updated on a big project that they were waiting on. Other than that, I haven't really done anything with it.

I don't think I have the patience to deal with the tweets and stuff like that. I think Chance brings up some good points. I end up leaning more towards Jason just because I feel I have better things to do.

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Dana_W

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I guess I really don't understand this Twitter thing. I thought it was about making yourself accessible to others.

Honestly, the only time I used it was to try to keep my customers updated on a big project that they were waiting on. Other than that, I haven't really done anything with it.

I don't think I have the patience to deal with the tweets and stuff like that. I think Chance brings up some good points. I end up leaning more towards Jason just because I feel I have better things to do.

How can you keep an eye on Kevin Riley and his mob of hamsters if you're not on Twitter?

Honestly though, Twitter isn't for everyone - if you don't want to spend some time on there every day Tweeting and socializing, you won't get much value out of it.

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15 years ago

Agreed, man. Agreed. Great vid.

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Chris Endres

15 years ago

Well, no offense but I guess I better go out and tell Willie Crawford he's doing it all wrong.

And Dr. Mani while I'm at it.

While there are many styles to using twitter, I subscribe to those methods that produce results, and the clearest example of producing results I have seen on twitter are exemplified by Willie and Dr. Mani.

I personally could not disagree with J'Mo more.

I see the issue as a matter of pride, and in my opinion there is no room for pride in marketing over the long haul. Over a drink with friends at an after hours seminar meeting is another matter entirely

People know who you are in marketing. The internet is a society and if your position yourself as prideful or unreachable you will reap the rewards of those decisions. Your choice to make.

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15 years ago

For me, the beauty of Twitter is that it acts as a great launch platform for all my other social media profiles. My Twitter populates my Facebook. My Twitter also populates my blog. My blog populates my Facebook as well. My blog also populates my LinkedIn profile. So with one Twitter, I can populate 4 different audiences all at one time. Social Media Integration is the key to effective social marketing.

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Dana_W

15 years ago

Originally Posted by BuddyT

Maybe I'll look into this Twitter thing. I'm too busy getting my business set up now. I likes me the hell outta J-Mo's loose and lively way, though. It's funny, I'm more reserved here than in real life. I came here from martial arts forums, which can get wild and wooly and sometimes lead to real world consequences if you get too snippy with someone.
Many marketers seem kinda light weight to me.

Stick around, you'll see the occasional smackdown/vicious war of worlds on here soon enough! Unfortunately.

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remarkablogger

15 years ago

Twitter has this chameleon ability to be whatever you make it. Any talk of spam on Twitter baffles me, because of the ability to unfollow or even block others. The only thing that really has a chance is to provide value to your followers.

There are a million ways to do that, and you can put your personal stamp on it. Dana does it her way. Jason does it his way. I do it my way. Another person's expectations are their problem. Reciprocity is not a mechanical function. Nobody has any right whatsoever to just expect that other people follow them.

I've had to turn off email notification of followers and direct messages a long time ago. I don't follow everyone back, but I follow over 1k. I don't pay attention to everything everyone tweets any more than I could listen to what every person says at a big party (and that's exactly what Twitter is to me, just a big party). But if someone replies directly to me they get on my radar and I will usually respond. If a person continues to provide value to me in the same way in which I strive to provide value for my followers, it's likely I'll follow them.

I use TweetDeck to create a group that are my "inner sanctum" but sometimes I'll dip into the fire hose of all the people I'm following. There's no rule that says I have to pay attention to everything everyone does or that if I don't people are unimportant to me.

In any case, whining is a turn-off.

Great video, Jason.

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Jason Moffatt 15 years ago

Originally Posted by remarkablogger

Twitter has this chameleon ability to be whatever you make it.

I agree, and all I was doing was giving my particular opinion since so many people were asking me. I wasn't expecting people to like it or agree with it. It's just how I personally feel on the issue.
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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

When this thread is all the way said and done...there is one thing I would like to know....

How many new followers did Jason Get? I bet it is a ton...

Controversy sells, right?

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Steven Fullman

15 years ago

Jeremy,

I'd MUCH rather follow you and Don.

Your course is superb. Warriors...cash in on JK's course (unsolicited testimonial)

Steve

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dhudiburg

15 years ago

I see Twitter as doing two things very well for me. 1) It provides a way for me to share links, ideas, and updates very easily with people who want to know what's going on with me and 2) it is the best networking/JV tool I've used. By staying up with my close contacts on Twitter, when I have an appropriate project that I want to them to be involved with, I can start with a "warm" conversation. I already know what they are working on and they know what I'm working on -- it's not a phone call out of the blue.

I also use Twitter as a research tool to see what is hot in my niche, for that I need to follow lots of people.

So Twitter is both intimate and broad for me.

You can have both if you use TweetDeck and fine tune your groups right.

In think Jason is dead on though, it's not about how many people you follow or have following you, it's about being noteworthy.

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Banned 15 years ago

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judyrey

15 years ago

I find using social media to be very rewarding on a personal basis. I have been on Twitter for a tad over two weeks and have been inspired to write three blogs on the experiences I have had for the Art & Inspiration blog at Post Conceptual UnGraven Image

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blueberry

15 years ago

It's a good thing I saw this before getting a Twitter account. It's too bad every "cool" new internet service gets so quickly infested with wrong-headed group-think on a mass scale, getting muddied in the process. Then, like everything else on the net, only a few are able to, or ultimately deserving of, the benefits of the thing...well...
Too bad they don't have another word other than "follow" for Twitter. I'll join to enhance my already small selection of regularly visited blogs and programs, but the idea of "following" for the most part does not appeal.
While watching the video, by the way, I thought of an old folk tune:

"Come follow, follow, follow, follow, follow, follow me!
Wither shall I follow, follow, follow, wither shall I follow
Follow thee?
To the greenwood, to the greenwood, to the greenwood,
Greenwood tree!"

Apropos of nothing! Folk song fans and UK people might recognize it...

Cheers!
blueberry

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Scott Woodside

15 years ago

I like how you went to a vacant house just to get the echo effect in your video! Great idea.

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Jason Moffatt 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Scott Woodside

I like how you went to a vacant house just to get the echo effect in your video! Great idea.

lol funny guy!

I had just moved in and had not unpacked yet. The place is looken stylen now!
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  Glad you got the humor. I was second guessing my post after I made it. I just deleted a bunch of morons that I clicked onto follow because they followed me. You're right. Lets follow people we respect and want to learn from not the idiots on twitter that are sitting around in their underwear trying to be successful. There' should be two buttons on Twitter: Button #1: Follow for knowledge. Button #2. I'm a sheep, can I follow you?
  
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Jason Moffatt

15 years ago

I hate to break it to you Scott, but I'm currently sitting in my underwear while trying to set up CPA offers!

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BrianMcLeod 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

I hate to break it to you Scott, but I'm currently sitting in my underwear while trying to set up CPA offers!

TMI JMO

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Dave Patterson 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

I hate to break it to you Scott, but I'm currently sitting in my underwear while trying to set up CPA offers!

Uhhh....no video required.

Please.
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